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"Eris" |
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12 May 2004 08:52:45 AM |
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Is Iraq a war? |
Still fighting with my beloved dittoheads. They are just precious.
Is the conflict in Iraq really a war or is that just neocon spin?
--Remove Pi from email.
It was like that when I found it.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Is Iraq a war? |
12 May 2004 09:35:26 AM |
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Eris <vithant01PI@comcast.net> wrote in
news:jva4a05aph7851p5kefpfp403jkljgjn5d@4ax.com:
Still fighting with my beloved dittoheads. They are just precious.
Is the conflict in Iraq really a war or is that just neocon spin?
Are you really interested in an answer or are you just looking for reasons
to justify the labels you apply to your opponents?
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "Eris" |
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| Title: Re: Is Iraq a war? |
12 May 2004 10:55:53 AM |
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 14:35:26 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
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Eris <vithant01PI@comcast.net> wrote in
news:jva4a05aph7851p5kefpfp403jkljgjn5d@4ax.com:
Still fighting with my beloved dittoheads. They are just precious.
Is the conflict in Iraq really a war or is that just neocon spin?
Are you really interested in an answer or are you just looking for reasons
to justify the labels you apply to your opponents?
I am always interested in the answers.
I like being the one with the facts. Most of the people in
Alt.fan.rush-limbaugh are decent people.
I like arguing with the rest. Although it is starting to get to me.
Besides facts are irreverent to the ones who I am arguing with.
--Remove Pi from email.
It was like that when I found it.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Is Iraq a war? |
12 May 2004 12:34:41 PM |
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Eris <vithant01PI@comcast.net> wrote in
news:f3i4a0hvlf9tjk5k1f0jmiq2t8fk0an9dq@4ax.com:
On Wed, 12 May 2004 14:35:26 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
Eris <vithant01PI@comcast.net> wrote in
news:jva4a05aph7851p5kefpfp403jkljgjn5d@4ax.com:
Still fighting with my beloved dittoheads. They are just precious.
Is the conflict in Iraq really a war or is that just neocon spin?
Are you really interested in an answer or are you just looking for
reasons to justify the labels you apply to your opponents?
I am always interested in the answers.
My answer would be that since we do have an official congressional
resolution to back it, it's a war. The only ones who call me a neocon
are the extreme left-wing Democrat party-line types whom I argue with in
alt.atheism.
I like being the one with the facts. Most of the people in
Alt.fan.rush-limbaugh are decent people.
I like arguing with the rest. Although it is starting to get to me.
Besides facts are irreverent to the ones who I am arguing with.
I get that impression from the extremists on both sides. Especially when
the Bush-bashers get all worked up.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "dapra" |
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| Title: Re: Is Iraq a war? |
12 May 2004 06:23:03 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
The only ones who call me a neocon
are the extreme left-wing Democrat party-line types whom I argue with in
alt.atheism.
Do you think 'neocon' is a derogatory term? Or it just describes a
certain philosophy, world view, association? Do you agree with them?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Is Iraq a war? |
12 May 2004 05:22:52 PM |
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dapra <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote in
news:5aKdnT-6kJTxCD_d4p2dnA@comcast.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
The only ones who call me a neocon
are the extreme left-wing Democrat party-line types whom I argue with
in alt.atheism.
Do you think 'neocon' is a derogatory term?
That depends on who is using the term.
Is "*****" a derogatory term?
Or it just describes a
certain philosophy, world view, association? Do you agree with them?
Again, that depends on what worldview you attribute to "neocons".
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "dapra" |
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| Title: Re: Is Iraq a war? |
12 May 2004 09:09:37 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
dapra <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote in
news:5aKdnT-6kJTxCD_d4p2dnA@comcast.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
The only ones who call me a neocon
are the extreme left-wing Democrat party-line types whom I argue with
in alt.atheism.
Do you think 'neocon' is a derogatory term?
That depends on who is using the term.
Is "*****" a derogatory term?
***** IS a derogatory term. Though, you may find some who don't think
so, but very few.
Or it just describes a
certain philosophy, world view, association? Do you agree with them?
Again, that depends on what worldview you attribute to "neocons".
It's well known what world view is attributed to them. Don't be slick.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Is Iraq a war? |
12 May 2004 07:24:45 PM |
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dapra <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote in
news:ja2dnaqO97HqIT_d4p2dnA@comcast.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
dapra <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote in
news:5aKdnT-6kJTxCD_d4p2dnA@comcast.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
The only ones who call me a neocon
are the extreme left-wing Democrat party-line types whom I argue
with in alt.atheism.
Do you think 'neocon' is a derogatory term?
That depends on who is using the term.
Is "*****" a derogatory term?
***** IS a derogatory term. Though, you may find some who don't
think so, but very few.
From my own observation, it would appear that it's only derogatory if
someone not of black "experience" says it.
Or it just describes a
certain philosophy, world view, association? Do you agree with them?
Again, that depends on what worldview you attribute to "neocons".
It's well known what world view is attributed to them. Don't be slick.
Is it really? Perhaps you could describe that worldview for us?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "dapra" |
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| Title: Re: Is Iraq a war? |
12 May 2004 11:48:41 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
dapra <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote in
news:ja2dnaqO97HqIT_d4p2dnA@comcast.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
Again, that depends on what worldview you attribute to "neocons".
It's well known what world view is attributed to them. Don't be slick.
Is it really? Perhaps you could describe that worldview for us?
If you want to start out with the basics, neocon 101
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html
Here is a nice article. A little more advanced.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EC20Ak07.html
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Is Iraq a war? |
13 May 2004 06:42:04 AM |
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dapra <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote in news:tJadnd_1JvtdfD_dRVn-
sQ@comcast.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
dapra <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote in
news:ja2dnaqO97HqIT_d4p2dnA@comcast.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
Again, that depends on what worldview you attribute to "neocons".
It's well known what world view is attributed to them. Don't be
slick.
Is it really? Perhaps you could describe that worldview for us?
If you want to start out with the basics, neocon 101
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html
Here is a nice article. A little more advanced.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EC20Ak07.html
Ah, of course, the "neocon" as defined and spun by their political
opposites. The classic of that genre is the Noam Chomsky revision of the
PNAC document, which I see features heavily in this Asia Times article.
I note that you don't have any articles from the principal players in
the neoconservative movement themselves.
Tell me, do you let "neocons" define *your* worldview for you?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "dapra" |
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| Title: Re: Is Iraq a war? |
13 May 2004 04:09:49 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
dapra <dapra1@comcast.net> wrote in news:tJadnd_1JvtdfD_dRVn-
sQ@comcast.com:
If you want to start out with the basics, neocon 101
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html
Here is a nice article. A little more advanced.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EC20Ak07.html
Ah, of course, the "neocon" as defined and spun by their political
opposites. The classic of that genre is the Noam Chomsky revision of the
PNAC document, which I see features heavily in this Asia Times article.
I note that you don't have any articles from the principal players in
the neoconservative movement themselves.
Tell me, do you let "neocons" define *your* worldview for you?
I think the Christian Science Monitor is a neutral paper, not a
political opposite. You are welcome to rebut the article or part of it.
Asia Times is left leaning, yes. But I thought you may find it
interesting how well they analyzed the war just one day after it started.
"As far as their "showdown Iraq" is concerned, it's not about weapons of
mass destruction, nor United Nations inspections, nor non-compliance,
nor a virtual connection between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda, nor the
liberation of the Iraqi people, nor a Middle East living in "democracy
and liberty". "
All of the charges of the Bush administration turned out to be untrue.
Though they still hang on to 'building democracy'. But this position is
becoming less and less defensible in light of the facts on the ground.
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| User: "W. Syme" |
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| Title: Re: Is Iraq a war? |
12 May 2004 11:10:31 AM |
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 09:52:45 -0400, Eris <vithant01PI@comcast.net>
wrote:
Still fighting with my beloved dittoheads. They are just precious.
Is the conflict in Iraq really a war or is that just neocon spin?
If you explain what the hell you mean exactly, I'll try to answer.
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Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
W. Syme (pseudonym), European, non-native English speaker, "soft" atheist.
Email will not be read.
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| User: "Eris" |
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| Title: Re: Is Iraq a war? |
12 May 2004 11:50:18 AM |
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 16:10:31 GMT, W. Syme
<Winston.Syme.superstitions@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On Wed, 12 May 2004 09:52:45 -0400, Eris <vithant01PI@comcast.net>
wrote:
Still fighting with my beloved dittoheads. They are just precious.
Is the conflict in Iraq really a war or is that just neocon spin?
If you explain what the hell you mean exactly, I'll try to answer.
The right wing keeps saying we are at war. War has a definite meaning.
I think congress has to formally declare war.
Any way the thing in Iraqi, are we formally at war with the Iraqi
government. If we are president bush would have war time powers (I
believe. ) I am not buying that we can not criticized the war because
in fact there either is no war or the war is over.
--Remove Pi from email.
It was like that when I found it.
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| User: "DJ Nozem" |
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| Title: Re: Is Iraq a war? |
14 May 2004 09:21:59 AM |
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 09:52:45 -0400, Eris <vithant01PI@comcast.net>
wrote:
Still fighting with my beloved dittoheads. They are just precious.
Is the conflict in Iraq really a war or is that just neocon spin?
You could say that it's a guerilla war, or several small guerilla
wars. Or you could call it an insurgency and not a war. Either way,
it's becoming more and more warlike.
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We give meaning to each other
DJ Nozem aa#1465
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| User: "TCS" |
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| Title: Re: Is Iraq a war? |
12 May 2004 09:09:36 AM |
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 09:52:45 -0400, Eris <vithant01PI@comcast.net> wrote:
Still fighting with my beloved dittoheads. They are just precious.
Is the conflict in Iraq really a war or is that just neocon spin?
It was a war.
Now it's just an occupation.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Is Iraq a war? |
12 May 2004 12:20:53 PM |
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"TCS" <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote in message
news:slrnca4c10.ila.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.client.comcast.net...
On Wed, 12 May 2004 09:52:45 -0400, Eris <vithant01PI@comcast.net> wrote:
Still fighting with my beloved dittoheads. They are just precious.
Is the conflict in Iraq really a war or is that just neocon spin?
It was a war.
Now it's just an occupation.
Then by international law all prisoners of war must be released.
Maybe I can sell the administration "waccupation" so they can have it both
ways.
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| User: "Eris" |
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12 May 2004 12:40:23 PM |
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 17:20:53 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
"TCS" <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote in message
news:slrnca4c10.ila.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.client.comcast.net...
On Wed, 12 May 2004 09:52:45 -0400, Eris <vithant01PI@comcast.net> wrote:
Still fighting with my beloved dittoheads. They are just precious.
Is the conflict in Iraq really a war or is that just neocon spin?
It was a war.
Now it's just an occupation.
Then by international law all prisoners of war must be released.
Maybe I can sell the administration "waccupation" so they can have it both
ways.
The more they mess up the better it is for us in November.
--Remove Pi from email.
It was like that when I found it.
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| User: "Clayton Cant Find His Left Sock" |
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12 May 2004 06:33:34 PM |
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"Eris" <vithant01PI@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 17:20:53 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
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"TCS" <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote in message
news:slrnca4c10.ila.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.client.comcast.net...
On Wed, 12 May 2004 09:52:45 -0400, Eris <vithant01PI@comcast.net>
wrote:
Still fighting with my beloved dittoheads. They are just precious.
Is the conflict in Iraq really a war or is that just neocon spin?
It was a war.
Now it's just an occupation.
Then by international law all prisoners of war must be released.
Maybe I can sell the administration "waccupation" so they can have it
both
ways.
The more they mess up the better it is for us in November.
Kind of a high price to pay though.
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| User: "TCS" |
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12 May 2004 12:59:03 PM |
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 17:20:53 GMT, Mike Painter <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote:
"TCS" <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote in message
news:slrnca4c10.ila.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.client.comcast.net...
On Wed, 12 May 2004 09:52:45 -0400, Eris <vithant01PI@comcast.net> wrote:
Still fighting with my beloved dittoheads. They are just precious.
Is the conflict in Iraq really a war or is that just neocon spin?
It was a war.
Now it's just an occupation.
Then by international law all prisoners of war must be released.
yeah, but that would assume that Bush&co give a ***** about international
law or even have the ability to understand it.
Maybe I can sell the administration "waccupation" so they can have it both
ways.
Be vewy vewy quiet: I'm hunting teworwists...
hawahawahawahawa!
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| User: "Clayton Cant Find His Left Sock" |
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12 May 2004 06:32:38 PM |
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"TCS" <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote in message
news:slrnca4c10.ila.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.client.comcast.net...
On Wed, 12 May 2004 09:52:45 -0400, Eris <vithant01PI@comcast.net> wrote:
Still fighting with my beloved dittoheads. They are just precious.
Is the conflict in Iraq really a war or is that just neocon spin?
It was a war.
Now it's just an occupation.
With bloodshed, destruction and torture on both sides to make it more
interesting.
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