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05 Apr 2007 09:10:54 PM |
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is it OK to kill life that isn't "a person"? |
On Apr 4, 12:15 am, "CafeWriter" <cafewri...@shawRemoveThis.ca> wrote
in "Re: Florida Bishop Slammed for Inaction by Brother of Terry
Schiavo":
You forgot something -Terri wasn't there even through she was breathing and
her heart was beating just fine. It takes more than just a pair of working
lungs and a beating heart to make a person.
Is it OK to kill life that isn't "a person"?
Terri didn't have all that so
in other words, her family was trying to keep an empty shell alive for no
other real reasons except to think that she's alive. Yes, she's alive but
when it comes to her mind, no she's not alive.
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Sub-persons/ sub-humans are expendable.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1149820884.102362.221630%40u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1139372980.005787.15450%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
applauding those who kill sub-person human embryos
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1153489662.014861.278290%40m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com
cash for sub-persons' organs
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143252326.064753.206420%40i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
Put to use killed sub-persons' brains before their cremation.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143212186.992727.233750%40z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
Is 'unter-personen' German for 'sub-persons'?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141269441.235631.242980%40e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com
atheism-adherent Sartre: "everything is permissible if God does not
exist"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1148953550.334506.168420%40j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Mindreader Mitchell: Hitler was "anti-abortion"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141921380.312364.144060%40i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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05 Apr 2007 10:24:13 PM |
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On Apr 4, 12:15 am, "CafeWriter" <cafewri...@shawRemoveThis.ca> wrote
in "Re: Florida Bishop Slammed for Inaction by Brother of Terry
Schiavo":
You forgot something -Terri wasn't there even through she was breathing and
her heart was beating just fine. It takes more than just a pair of working
lungs and a beating heart to make a person.
Is it OK to kill life that isn't "a person"?
It had better be. Whether you eat cow or only vegetables, you are
eating life that human beings have killed. Undoubtedly you have taken
antibiotics which kill life, and were vaccinated against some diseases
so that your body would automatically kill some kinds of life.
lojbab
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| User: "" |
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06 Apr 2007 09:14:52 AM |
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On Apr 5, 11:24 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
On Apr 4, 12:15 am, "CafeWriter" <cafewri...@shawRemoveThis.ca> wrote
in "Re: Florida Bishop Slammed for Inaction by Brother of Terry
Schiavo":
You forgot something -Terri wasn't there even through she was breathing and
her heart was beating just fine. It takes more than just a pair of working
lungs and a beating heart to make a person.
Is it OK to kill life that isn't "a person"?
It had better be.
Do you think a pre-born human fetus is "a person"?
Do you think a stroke victim who takes 5 hours to produce an answer to
the math problem 'What is 4 x 12?' is "a person"?
Do you think a sleeping 52-year-old human life is "a person"?
Do you think a 4-year-old human life is "a person"?
Whether you eat cow or only vegetables, you are
eating life that human beings have killed. Undoubtedly you have taken
antibiotics which kill life, and were vaccinated against some diseases
so that your body would automatically kill some kinds of life.
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applauding those who kill sub-person human embryos
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1153489662.014861.278290%40m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com
cash for sub-persons' organs
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143252326.064753.206420%40i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
Put to use killed sub-persons' brains before their cremation.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143212186.992727.233750%40z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
Is 'unter-personen' German for 'sub-persons'?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141269441.235631.242980%40e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com
Sub-persons/ sub-humans are expendable.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1149820884.102362.221630%40u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1139372980.005787.15450%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1868 Haeckel, 2003 Dawkins, 1997 George Williams, 1995 Dennett:
Darwinist atheists/ materialists downgrading the value of human life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-399aluF5uql89U1%40individual.net
Haeckel on killing the disabled
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3a8etdF65smnrU4%40individual.net
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian, atheistic a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
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| User: "CafeWriter" |
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06 Apr 2007 04:12:14 PM |
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<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:1175868892.246879.109290@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 5, 11:24 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
On Apr 4, 12:15 am, "CafeWriter" <cafewri...@shawRemoveThis.ca> wrote
in "Re: Florida Bishop Slammed for Inaction by Brother of Terry
Schiavo":
You forgot something -Terri wasn't there even through she was
breathing and
her heart was beating just fine. It takes more than just a pair of
working
lungs and a beating heart to make a person.
Is it OK to kill life that isn't "a person"?
It had better be.
Do you think a pre-born human fetus is "a person"?
No.
Do you think a stroke victim who takes 5 hours to produce an answer to
the math problem 'What is 4 x 12?' is "a person"?
Yes.
Do you think a sleeping 52-year-old human life is "a person"?
Yes.
Do you think a 4-year-old human life is "a person"?
Yes.
Whether you eat cow or only vegetables, you are
eating life that human beings have killed. Undoubtedly you have taken
antibiotics which kill life, and were vaccinated against some diseases
so that your body would automatically kill some kinds of life.
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
applauding those who kill sub-person human embryos
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1153489662.014861.278290%40m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com
cash for sub-persons' organs
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143252326.064753.206420%40i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
Put to use killed sub-persons' brains before their cremation.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143212186.992727.233750%40z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
Is 'unter-personen' German for 'sub-persons'?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141269441.235631.242980%40e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com
Sub-persons/ sub-humans are expendable.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1149820884.102362.221630%40u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1139372980.005787.15450%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1868 Haeckel, 2003 Dawkins, 1997 George Williams, 1995 Dennett:
Darwinist atheists/ materialists downgrading the value of human life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-399aluF5uql89U1%40individual.net
Haeckel on killing the disabled
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3a8etdF65smnrU4%40individual.net
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian, atheistic a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Most of the questions you have asked are already out of the womb. The
questions do not make as much sense as the first question because the
pre-born fetus is not a person until the childbirth. The other questions
already involved people who have already came out of the womb.
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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07 Apr 2007 07:24:54 PM |
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In article <OIyRh.37208$aG1.12740@pd7urf3no>,
"CafeWriter" <cafewriter@shawRemoveThis.ca> wrote:
Do you think a stroke victim who takes 5 hours to produce an answer to
the math problem 'What is 4 x 12?' is "a person"?
Yes.
Anyone who can keep track of a problem for 5 hours is a person.
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| User: "" |
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11 Apr 2007 08:46:45 AM |
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On Apr 7, 8:24 pm, Walter Bushell <p...@oanix.com> wrote:
"CafeWriter" <cafewri...@shawRemoveThis.ca> wrote:
dford3:
Do you think a stroke victim who takes 5 hours to produce an answer to
the math problem 'What is 4 x 12?' is "a person"?
Yes.
Anyone who can keep track of a problem for 5 hours is a person.
Do you think Terri Schindler Schiavo could "keep track of" of specific
individuals' voices for 5 hours?
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Michael Schiavo ex-girlfriend Cindy speaks
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504151723.4c0b915e%40posting.google.com
....he's a real loud guy, he [Michael] would go through the nursing
home and he said immediately, as soon as he got near the door
her head was already looking at the door because she would
recognize his voice... and she [Terri] would start crying when he
got ready to leave....
17 June 1991 Mediplex Rehab notes (and 15 & 28 March 1991 notes on
Terri's responsiveness)
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504211205.469167b6%40posting.google.com
Cognitive/Communication
No significant changes.
Vocalizing when prone in P.T.
Occ. will say "STOP" to nursing during
procedures. to T.R. groups. More relaxed
to therapist's voice, touch (habituation).
December 2003 Carla Sauer Iyer, who
worked from April 1995 to 11 August 1996
where Terri was
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-3al49lF6ajhdbU1%40individual.net
8. When I came into her room and said "Hi, Terri", she would
always recognize my voice and her name, and would turn her
head all the way toward me, saying "Haaaiiii" short of,, [sic] as
she did. I recognized this as a "hi", which is very close to what
it sounded like, the whole sound being only a second or two
long. When I told her humorous stories about my life or
something I read in the paper, Terri would chuckle, sometimes
more a giggle or laugh. ....
not-PVS
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115683914.394927.244340%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Terri Schindler Schiavo story with villains, victims, and heroes
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1115741978.820440.50060%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
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| User: "" |
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06 Apr 2007 07:57:12 PM |
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On Apr 6, 5:12 pm, "CafeWriter" <cafewri...@shawRemoveThis.ca> wrote:
<dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message news:1175868892.246879.109290@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 5, 11:24 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
On Apr 4, 12:15 am, "CafeWriter" <cafewri...@shawRemoveThis.ca> wrote
in "Re: Florida Bishop Slammed for Inaction by Brother of Terry
Schiavo":
You forgot something -Terri wasn't there even through she was
breathing and
her heart was beating just fine. It takes more than just a pair of
working
lungs and a beating heart to make a person.
Is it OK to kill life that isn't "a person"?
It had better be.
Do you think a pre-born human fetus is "a person"?
No.
Do you think a 2-hour-old born human infant is "a person"?
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I have a 1979 copy of Singer's _Practical Ethics_, 237pp.,
pages
122-126.
Perform a control-f / "find" for: demar
http://falcon.tamucc.edu/~philosophy/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=PhilosophyFaculty.PeterS
Boxer to Santorum: "I Am Not Answering These Questions!"
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/notansweringboxersantorum.html
views of atheism-adherent Singer
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141777876.224926.284110%40j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com
Do you think a stroke victim who takes 5 hours to produce an answer to
the math problem 'What is 4 x 12?' is "a person"?
Yes.
Do you think a sleeping 52-year-old human life is "a person"?
Yes.
Do you think a 4-year-old human life is "a person"?
Yes.
Most of the questions you have asked are already out of the womb. The
questions do not make as much sense as the first question because the
pre-born fetus is not a person until the childbirth. The other questions
already involved people who have already came out of the womb.
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| User: "CafeWriter" |
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06 Apr 2007 10:32:13 PM |
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<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:1175907432.340191.178650@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 6, 5:12 pm, "CafeWriter" <cafewri...@shawRemoveThis.ca> wrote:
<dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:1175868892.246879.109290@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 5, 11:24 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
On Apr 4, 12:15 am, "CafeWriter" <cafewri...@shawRemoveThis.ca> wrote
in "Re: Florida Bishop Slammed for Inaction by Brother of Terry
Schiavo":
You forgot something -Terri wasn't there even through she was
breathing and
her heart was beating just fine. It takes more than just a pair of
working
lungs and a beating heart to make a person.
Is it OK to kill life that isn't "a person"?
It had better be.
Do you think a pre-born human fetus is "a person"?
No.
Do you think a 2-hour-old born human infant is "a person"?
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
I have a 1979 copy of Singer's _Practical Ethics_, 237pp.,
pages
122-126.
Perform a control-f / "find" for: demar
http://falcon.tamucc.edu/~philosophy/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=PhilosophyFaculty.PeterS
Boxer to Santorum: "I Am Not Answering These Questions!"
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/notansweringboxersantorum.html
views of atheism-adherent Singer
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141777876.224926.284110%40j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com
Do you think a stroke victim who takes 5 hours to produce an answer to
the math problem 'What is 4 x 12?' is "a person"?
Yes.
Do you think a sleeping 52-year-old human life is "a person"?
Yes.
Do you think a 4-year-old human life is "a person"?
Yes.
Most of the questions you have asked are already out of the womb. The
questions do not make as much sense as the first question because the
pre-born fetus is not a person until the childbirth. The other questions
already involved people who have already came out of the womb.
I feel like banging my head against a really hard, cold wall because you
kept asking the questions that you already knew the answers to.
Sheesh! It's like talking to the wall when I try to talk to a pro-liar!
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| User: "Paul Anderson" |
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06 Apr 2007 10:58:46 PM |
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On 6 Apr 2007 17:57:12 -0700, wrote:
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Do you think a pre-born human fetus is "a person"?
No.
Do you think a 2-hour-old born human infant is "a person"?
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ207.107
This Act may be cited as the ``Born-Alive Infants Protection Act of
2002''.
SEC. 2. DEFINITION OF BORN-ALIVE INFANT.
(a) In General.--Chapter 1 of title 1, United States Code, is
amended by adding at the end the following:
``Sec. 8. `Person', `human being', `child', and `individual' as
including born-alive infant
``(a) In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any
ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative
bureaus and agencies of the United States, the words `person', `human
being', `child', and `individual', shall include every infant member
of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of
development.
A fetus is not "a person." A born infant is "a person" If you have a
complaint with birth being the start of "a person" take it up with the
Pro-Lifers who passed the above Federal Law.
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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06 Apr 2007 12:25:28 PM |
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wrote:
Do you think a pre-born human fetus is "a person"?
No.
Do you think a stroke victim who takes 5 hours to produce an answer to
the math problem 'What is 4 x 12?' is "a person"?
Yes.
Do you think a sleeping 52-year-old human life is "a person"?
Yes.
Do you think a 4-year-old human life is "a person"?
Yes.
But of course what I think about the question is entirely arbitrary.
Something is a person because we think they are a person, and not a
person if we don't. For our society, the laws can define what is a
person, and that is the definition that matters. Myself, I can think
of my cat as a "person", because they certainly exhibit what I
recognize as "personality".
lojbab
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| User: "" |
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06 Apr 2007 07:47:35 PM |
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On Apr 6, 1:25 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
Do you think a pre-born human fetus is "a person"?
No.
Do you think a 1-day-old born human infant is "a person"?
Do you think a stroke victim who takes 5 hours to produce an answer to
the math problem 'What is 4 x 12?' is "a person"?
Yes.
Do you think a sleeping 52-year-old human life is "a person"?
Yes.
Do you think a 4-year-old human life is "a person"?
Yes.
But of course what I think about the question is entirely arbitrary.
Something is a person because we think they are a person, and not a
person if we don't.
Who is "we"?
For our society, the laws can define what is a
person,
Do you think Nazi Germany's "laws... define[d] what is a person" in
Nazi Germany?
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Sub-persons/ sub-humans are expendable.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1149820884.102362.221630%40u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1139372980.005787.15450%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Mindreader Mitchell: Hitler was "anti-abortion"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141921380.312364.144060%40i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
and that is the definition that matters. Myself, I can think
of my cat as a "person", because they certainly exhibit what I
recognize as "personality".
Do you think a chimpanzee is "a person"?
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1868 Haeckel and 1941 Hitler parallel
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118920740.543349.176440%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
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| User: "CafeWriter" |
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06 Apr 2007 10:31:17 PM |
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<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:1175906855.627095.278100@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 6, 1:25 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
Do you think a pre-born human fetus is "a person"?
No.
Do you think a 1-day-old born human infant is "a person"?
Yes because the infant is no longer a fetus (duh).
Do you think a stroke victim who takes 5 hours to produce an answer to
the math problem 'What is 4 x 12?' is "a person"?
Yes.
Do you think a sleeping 52-year-old human life is "a person"?
Yes.
Do you think a 4-year-old human life is "a person"?
Yes.
But of course what I think about the question is entirely arbitrary.
Something is a person because we think they are a person, and not a
person if we don't.
Who is "we"?
For our society, the laws can define what is a
person,
Do you think Nazi Germany's "laws... define[d] what is a person" in
Nazi Germany?
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Sub-persons/ sub-humans are expendable.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1149820884.102362.221630%40u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1139372980.005787.15450%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Mindreader Mitchell: Hitler was "anti-abortion"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141921380.312364.144060%40i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
and that is the definition that matters. Myself, I can think
of my cat as a "person", because they certainly exhibit what I
recognize as "personality".
Do you think a chimpanzee is "a person"?
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
1868 Haeckel and 1941 Hitler parallel
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118920740.543349.176440%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
What is your freaking point of all these questions? Are you trying to
"force" us to look at a blob of tissues as a person? Well try again.
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11 Apr 2007 08:35:32 AM |
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On Apr 6, 11:31 pm, "CafeWriter" <cafewri...@shawRemoveThis.ca> wrote
in Re: is it OK to kill life that isn't "a person"?:
<dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message news:1175906855.627095.278100@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 6, 1:25 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
Do you think a pre-born human fetus is "a person"?
No.
Do you think a 1-day-old born human infant is "a person"?
Yes because the infant is no longer a fetus (duh).
Do you think a human life in the process of exiting from his mother,
with his head in his mother's vagina and the rest of his body
completely outside of his mother, is "a person"?
Do you think it's OK to kill human life that's not "a person"?
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Boxer to Santorum: "I Am Not Answering These Questions!"
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/notansweringboxersantorum.html
views of atheism-adherent Singer
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141777876.224926.284110%40j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com
I have a 1979 copy of Singer's _Practical Ethics_, 237pp., pages
122-126.
Perform a control-f / "find" for: demar
http://falcon.tamucc.edu/~philosophy/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=PhilosophyFaculty.PeterS
Mindreader Mitchell: Hitler was "anti-abortion"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141921380.312364.144060%40i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1868 Haeckel, 2003 Dawkins, 1997 George Williams, 1995 Dennett:
Darwinist atheists/ materialists downgrading the value of human life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-399aluF5uql89U1%40individual.net
Haeckel on killing the disabled
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3a8etdF65smnrU4%40individual.net
applauding those who kill sub-person human embryos
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1153489662.014861.278290%40m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com
Do you think a stroke victim who takes 5 hours to produce an answer to
the math problem 'What is 4 x 12?' is "a person"?
Yes.
Do you think a sleeping 52-year-old human life is "a person"?
Yes.
Do you think a 4-year-old human life is "a person"?
Yes.
But of course what I think about the question is entirely arbitrary.
Something is a person because we think they are a person, and not a
person if we don't.
Who is "we"?
For our society, the laws can define what is a
person,
Do you think Nazi Germany's "laws... define[d] what is a person" in
Nazi Germany?
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Sub-persons/ sub-humans are expendable.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1149820884.102362.221630%40u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1139372980.005787.15450%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Mindreader Mitchell: Hitler was "anti-abortion"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141921380.312364.144060%40i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
and that is the definition that matters. Myself, I can think
of my cat as a "person", because they certainly exhibit what I
recognize as "personality".
Do you think a chimpanzee is "a person"?
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1868 Haeckel and 1941 Hitler parallel
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118920740.543349.176440%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
What is your freaking point of all these questions?
I'm finding out what others' views are, and exploring whether they're
consistent.
Are you trying to
"force" us to look at a blob of tissues as a person?
I'll leave it to atheism-adherents to use force to try to get people
to accept their religion.
Well try again.
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1993 Michael Ruse: "for Julian Huxley evolution was functioning as a
kind of secular religion"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1164729280.977099.300830%40h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
secular religiosity
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1157425453.315717.30590%40m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com
Huxley's sermons have exegesis of god's holy scriptures
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1157035607.079463.274980%40m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com
threatened and actual use of force by atheism-adherents
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135396265.419462.311690%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
some atheism-adherents' development and use of brutal terror tactics
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1128703737.434501.234400%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
atheism-adherents killed 200k+ Russian Orthodox clergy;
1913 Lenin: "every religious idea, every idea of
God...is...vileness...'contagion'"
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=1175046925.369909.39320%40y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com
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11 Apr 2007 10:26:54 PM |
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<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
On Apr 6, 11:31 pm, "CafeWriter" <cafewri...@shawRemoveThis.ca> wrote
in Re: is it OK to kill life that isn't "a person"?:
<dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message news:1175906855.627095.278100@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 6, 1:25 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
Do you think a pre-born human fetus is "a person"?
No.
Do you think a 1-day-old born human infant is "a person"?
Yes because the infant is no longer a fetus (duh).
Do you think a human life in the process of exiting from his mother,
with his head in his mother's vagina and the rest of his body
completely outside of his mother, is "a person"?
Not according to the law.
Do you think it's OK to kill human life that's not "a person"?
Of course. Do you think that killing sperm is murder?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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12 Apr 2007 09:08:29 AM |
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On Apr 11, 11:26 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
<dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
On Apr 6, 11:31 pm, "CafeWriter" <cafewri...@shawRemoveThis.ca> wrote
in Re: is it OK to kill life that isn't "a person"?:
<dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in messagenews:1175906855.627095.278100@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 6, 1:25 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
Do you think a pre-born human fetus is "a person"?
No.
Do you think a 1-day-old born human infant is "a person"?
Yes because the infant is no longer a fetus (duh).
Do you think a human life in the process of exiting from his mother,
with his head in his mother's vagina and the rest of his body
completely outside of his mother, is "a person"?
Not according to the law.
Was a pre-born human life "a person" "according to the law" in the
U.S. in 1955?
Do you think it's OK to kill human life that's not "a person"?
Of course. Do you think that killing sperm is murder?
No. Do you consider a living male sperm a human life?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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12 Apr 2007 10:23:23 AM |
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<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
On Apr 11, 11:26 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
<dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
On Apr 6, 11:31 pm, "CafeWriter" <cafewri...@shawRemoveThis.ca> wrote
in Re: is it OK to kill life that isn't "a person"?:
<dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in messagenews:1175906855.627095.278100@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 6, 1:25 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
Do you think a pre-born human fetus is "a person"?
No.
Do you think a 1-day-old born human infant is "a person"?
Yes because the infant is no longer a fetus (duh).
Do you think a human life in the process of exiting from his mother,
with his head in his mother's vagina and the rest of his body
completely outside of his mother, is "a person"?
Not according to the law.
Was a pre-born human life "a person" "according to the law" in the
U.S. in 1955?
No. Never.
Do you think it's OK to kill human life that's not "a person"?
Of course. Do you think that killing sperm is murder?
No. Do you consider a living male sperm a human life?
It is human and it is alive. That makes it human life.
Do you think that you get to make up any definitions you like?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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12 Apr 2007 10:42:32 PM |
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wrote:
Do you consider a living male sperm a human life?
Do you? And if not, why not?
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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12 Apr 2007 09:49:37 AM |
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wrote:
On Apr 11, 11:26 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
<dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
On Apr 6, 11:31 pm, "CafeWriter" <cafewri...@shawRemoveThis.ca>
wrote in Re: is it OK to kill life that isn't "a person"?:
<dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in
messagenews:1175906855.627095.278100@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 6, 1:25 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
Do you think a pre-born human fetus is "a person"?
No.
Do you think a 1-day-old born human infant is "a person"?
Yes because the infant is no longer a fetus (duh).
Do you think a human life in the process of exiting from his mother,
with his head in his mother's vagina and the rest of his body
completely outside of his mother, is "a person"?
Not according to the law.
Was a pre-born human life "a person" "according to the law" in the
U.S. in 1955?
This is not 1955 and if you had an understanding of the law or did more than
parrot what you have heard, would not make such comments.
We might ask about slavery and other "laws" that havew changed.
If the bible says something is wrong and all christianlty agreed with it for
over 1000 years, but allow it today, was it wrong then or now?
Do you think it's OK to kill human life that's not "a person"?
Of course. Do you think that killing sperm is murder?
No. Do you consider a living male sperm a human life?
It is the same kind of life that an embroyo has and your god does not seem
to mind that 3/4 ths of them abort.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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11 Apr 2007 09:41:28 AM |
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wrote:
On Apr 6, 11:31 pm, "CafeWriter" <cafewri...@shawRemoveThis.ca> wrote
in Re: is it OK to kill life that isn't "a person"?:
<dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message news:1175906855.627095.278100@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 6, 1:25 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
Do you think a pre-born human fetus is "a person"?
No.
Do you think a 1-day-old born human infant is "a person"?
Yes because the infant is no longer a fetus (duh).
Do you think a human life in the process of exiting from his mother,
with his head in his mother's vagina and the rest of his body
completely outside of his mother, is "a person"?
Legally and religiously, no.
Legally, when the fetus is fully born (that is, fully exited the birth
canal and separated from the mother), THEN it's a person.
Also, religiously, the Christian God says that human life begins when
God "breathes life into the nostrils" of the new person. (Genesis 2:7)
<snip>
atheism-adherents killed 200k+ Russian Orthodox clergy;
1913 Lenin: "every religious idea, every idea of
God...is...vileness...'contagion'"
Sounds like antitheism to me.
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "In every country and every age, the priest had *
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| User: "duke" |
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11 Apr 2007 05:01:53 PM |
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:41:28 -0800, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Yes because the infant is no longer a fetus (duh).
Do you think a human life in the process of exiting from his mother,
with his head in his mother's vagina and the rest of his body
completely outside of his mother, is "a person"?
Legally and religiously, no.
It is human LIFE from the moment of conception. And a mortal sin to take it's
life.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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11 Apr 2007 05:42:14 PM |
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In article <dkmq13p6sjd9hdtjp161b1qc82g4nagj7h@4ax.com> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:41:28 -0800, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Yes because the infant is no longer a fetus (duh).
Do you think a human life in the process of exiting from his mother,
with his head in his mother's vagina and the rest of his body
completely outside of his mother, is "a person"?
Legally and religiously, no.
It is human LIFE from the moment of conception. And a mortal sin to take it's
life.
And yet, mirable dictu, your God does it all the time -- fetuses
who make it to term are a small fraction of fertilized eggs.
Somewhere between half and three-quarters of fertilized
eggs -- human life in your view -- fail to implant and
are washed out with the menses. Of those which do
successfully implant, another significant fraction
naturally abort, usually unnoticed, in the
first trimester.
So most "human life" never even makes it out of the
womb, dying within days to weeks of conception, and
humans have not a single thing to do with that.
It's just the way your God set things up.
Fortunate is the man who will seize and dash
your little ones against the rock!
-- God's favorite, David, waxing lyrical
on the joys of infanticide in Psalm 137
-- cary
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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11 Apr 2007 06:50:19 PM |
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In article <dkmq13p6sjd9hdtjp161b1qc82g4nagj7h@4ax.com>,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
It is human LIFE from the moment of conception. And a mortal sin to take
it's life.
killing a cancer is a sin?
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| User: "Lake of Fire" |
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11 Apr 2007 07:42:11 PM |
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james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <dkmq13p6sjd9hdtjp161b1qc82g4nagj7h@4ax.com>,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
It is human LIFE from the moment of conception. And a mortal sin to take
it's life.
killing a cancer is a sin?
Agreed. I may not have scientific proof of this, but its better to
error on the side of caution as far as I'm concerned, there is no
justification for taking an innocent life.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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11 Apr 2007 07:47:17 PM |
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In article <461d8081$0$8929$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
Lake of Fire <lliokhetrejit@hotmail.com> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
In article <dkmq13p6sjd9hdtjp161b1qc82g4nagj7h@4ax.com>,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
It is human LIFE from the moment of conception. And a mortal sin to take
it's life.
killing a cancer is a sin?
Agreed. I may not have scientific proof of this, but its better to
error on the side of caution as far as I'm concerned, there is no
justification for taking an innocent life.
so you would allow your child or your parent to die rather than
remove a cancer?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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11 Apr 2007 10:27:59 PM |
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Lake of Fire <lliokhetrejit@hotmail.com> wrote:
james g. keegan jr. wrote:
killing a cancer is a sin?
Agreed. I may not have scientific proof of this, but its better to
error on the side of caution as far as I'm concerned, there is no
justification for taking an innocent life.
Is there justification for allowing an "innocent life" to die, even
though you could have saved that life?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "* US *" |
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11 Apr 2007 10:29:38 PM |
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:01:53 -0500, anti-american dupe <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
... a mortal sin to take it's [sic]
life.
You're into killing fetuses, even when the mothers
want to have the children, when you support Bush.
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11 Apr 2007 10:27:17 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:41:28 -0800, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Yes because the infant is no longer a fetus (duh).
Do you think a human life in the process of exiting from his mother,
with his head in his mother's vagina and the rest of his body
completely outside of his mother, is "a person"?
Legally and religiously, no.
It is human LIFE from the moment of conception.
Obviously not.
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rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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11 Apr 2007 11:26:24 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:41:28 -0800, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Yes because the infant is no longer a fetus (duh).
Do you think a human life in the process of exiting from his mother,
with his head in his mother's vagina and the rest of his body
completely outside of his mother, is "a person"?
Legally and religiously, no.
It is human LIFE from the moment of conception. And a mortal sin to take it's
life.
So, why does God abort the majority of human LIFE?
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "In every country and every age, the priest had *
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06 Apr 2007 10:02:52 PM |
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wrote:
On Apr 6, 1:25 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
Do you think a pre-born human fetus is "a person"?
No.
Do you think a 1-day-old born human infant is "a person"?
I agree with Bob's answers - and to your new one I answer "yes".
Do you think a stroke victim who takes 5 hours to produce an answer to
the math problem 'What is 4 x 12?' is "a person"?
Yes.
Do you think a sleeping 52-year-old human life is "a person"?
Yes.
Do you think a 4-year-old human life is "a person"?
Yes.
Josh Rosenbluth
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| User: "" |
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11 Apr 2007 08:16:33 AM |
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On Apr 6, 11:02 pm, Josh Rosenbluth <jrosenbl...@gotcha.comcast.net>
wrote:
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
On Apr 6, 1:25 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
Do you think a pre-born human fetus is "a person"?
No.
Do you think a 1-day-old born human infant is "a person"?
I agree with Bob's answers - and to your new one I answer "yes".
Do you think a human life in the process of exiting from his mother,
with his head in his mother's vagina and the rest of his body
completely outside of his mother, is "a person"?
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Boxer to Santorum: "I Am Not Answering These Questions!"
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/notansweringboxersantorum.html
views of atheism-adherent Singer
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141777876.224926.284110%40j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com
I have a 1979 copy of Singer's _Practical Ethics_, 237pp., pages
122-126.
Perform a control-f / "find" for: demar
http://falcon.tamucc.edu/~philosophy/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=PhilosophyFaculty.PeterS
Mindreader Mitchell: Hitler was "anti-abortion"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141921380.312364.144060%40i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Do you think a stroke victim who takes 5 hours to produce an answer to
the math problem 'What is 4 x 12?' is "a person"?
Yes.
Do you think a sleeping 52-year-old human life is "a person"?
Yes.
Do you think a 4-year-old human life is "a person"?
Yes.
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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11 Apr 2007 10:40:49 PM |
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In our last episode,
<1176297393.441012.280800@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, the lovely and
talented broadcast on alt.atheism:
Do you think a human life in the process of exiting from his mother,
with his head in his mother's vagina and the rest of his body
completely outside of his mother, is "a person"?
No. Certainly not if not to term and labor is induced. Of course you do
not seem to realize that this is a breech presentation and the "human life"
or the mother is probably dead at this point.
--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> <http://myspace.com/larseighner>
Countdown: 649 days to go.
Chinese Terrorists:: Xuzhou Anying Biologic Technology Development Company Ltd.
Identified :: Wangdian Industrial Zone, Peixian, CN-32, China 221623
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