Religions > Atheism > Is the American Atheists group inclusive towards agnostics or not?
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"FreeThink" |
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31 Jan 2006 08:34:40 PM |
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Is the American Atheists group inclusive towards agnostics or not? |
According to the definition of atheism, agnostics are included because
they are not theists. However, according to this page, agnostics seem
to be excluded:
http://www.atheists.org/visitors.center/because.html
Is this page incorrect or just more specific when addressing how
American Atheist members define themselves?
Obviously, this is a question for AA members only. Fundies and Trolls
need not bother.
Thanks in advance.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Is the American Atheists group inclusive towards agnostics or not? |
01 Feb 2006 10:33:04 PM |
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In <1138761280.706199.173030@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "FreeThink"
<zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote:
According to the definition of atheism, agnostics are included because
they are not theists. However, according to this page, agnostics seem to
be excluded:
http://www.atheists.org/visitors.center/because.html
Is this page incorrect or just more specific when addressing how American
Atheist members define themselves?
It's just their "take" on atheism. They don't *define the term for
everybody or anything like that. And I don't recall the application being
much more than "send in your dues." At least that's what I recall from
back when I was a member...
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Mark K. Bilbo
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Katrina aftermath pictures
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| User: "George Ricker" |
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| Title: Re: Is the American Atheists group inclusive towards agnostics or not? |
01 Feb 2006 08:34:28 AM |
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In article <1138761280.706199.173030@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote:
According to the definition of atheism, agnostics are included because
they are not theists. However, according to this page, agnostics seem
to be excluded:
http://www.atheists.org/visitors.center/because.html
Is this page incorrect or just more specific when addressing how
American Atheist members define themselves?
Obviously, this is a question for AA members only. Fundies and Trolls
need not bother.
Thanks in advance.
If memory serves me correctly, back when I joined American Atheists,
which was some time ago, there was a statement on the application that
said one must be comfortable with the label "atheist" and be willing to
identify oneself as such. I see now that language is no longer on the
application. (Or maybe my recollection is incorrect.)
I don't see anything on the page you referenced that would prevent an
agnostic from joining the organization, but then I've never thought
agnosticism was a convenient half-way house between theism and atheism.
We've fought lots of definition wars over that subject in this
newsgroup, and I don't propose to launch another one now. Suffice it to
say opinions vary on the issue.
So I guess the only answer I can give you is that it probably depends
upon how you view "agnosticism." If you think agnosticism requires
neutrality on the question of god-belief then American Atheists is
probably not for you. If you think agnosticism refers to a lack of
knowledge about the existence of a deity, then there should be no
problem. Most‹though certainly not all‹atheists probably define
themselves as agnostic in regards to knowledge claims about a deity.
I hope that's helpful.
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George Ricker
"'God' is a penny in reality's fuse box."
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Is the American Atheists group inclusive towards agnostics or not? |
02 Feb 2006 07:47:54 PM |
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On 31 Jan 2006 18:34:40 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
According to the definition of atheism, agnostics are included because
they are not theists. However, according to this page, agnostics seem
to be excluded:
http://www.atheists.org/visitors.center/because.html
Is this page incorrect or just more specific when addressing how
American Atheist members define themselves?
Obviously, this is a question for AA members only. Fundies and Trolls
need not bother.
Thanks in advance.
I have no idea. I'm not a member.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Is the American Atheists group inclusive towards agnostics or not? |
03 Feb 2006 11:16:23 AM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:phd5u15vpf0g9aom059f8i9omcrkgd61fv@4ax.com...
On 31 Jan 2006 18:34:40 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
According to the definition of atheism, agnostics are included because
they are not theists. However, according to this page, agnostics seem
to be excluded:
http://www.atheists.org/visitors.center/because.html
Is this page incorrect or just more specific when addressing how
American Atheist members define themselves?
Obviously, this is a question for AA members only. Fundies and Trolls
need not bother.
Thanks in advance.
I have no idea. I'm not a member.
Either am I, but I play on on TV :)
(sorry) ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Is the American Atheists group inclusive towards agnostics or not? |
05 Feb 2006 09:07:22 AM |
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In <44hhc1F2847tU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:phd5u15vpf0g9aom059f8i9omcrkgd61fv@4ax.com...
On 31 Jan 2006 18:34:40 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
According to the definition of atheism, agnostics are included because
they are not theists. However, according to this page, agnostics seem to
be excluded:
http://www.atheists.org/visitors.center/because.html
Is this page incorrect or just more specific when addressing how
American Atheist members define themselves?
Obviously, this is a question for AA members only. Fundies and Trolls
need not bother.
Thanks in advance.
I have no idea. I'm not a member.
Either am I, but I play on on TV :)
Well get off that before you tip it over!
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
Katrina aftermath pictures
http://www.nola.com/katrinaphotos/user/
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "FreeThink" |
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| Title: Re: Is the American Atheists group inclusive towards agnostics or not? |
07 Feb 2006 05:48:00 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <44hhc1F2847tU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:phd5u15vpf0g9aom059f8i9omcrkgd61fv@4ax.com...
On 31 Jan 2006 18:34:40 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
According to the definition of atheism, agnostics are included because
they are not theists. However, according to this page, agnostics seem to
be excluded:
http://www.atheists.org/visitors.center/because.html
Is this page incorrect or just more specific when addressing how
American Atheist members define themselves?
Obviously, this is a question for AA members only. Fundies and Trolls
need not bother.
Thanks in advance.
I have no idea. I'm not a member.
Either am I, but I play on on TV :)
Well get off that before you tip it over!
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
Katrina aftermath pictures
http://www.nola.com/katrinaphotos/user/
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
It may be a more productive use of her time than actually watching it..
;-)
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Is the American Atheists group inclusive towards agnostics or not? |
08 Feb 2006 09:07:40 AM |
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"FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1139356080.343527.113160@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <44hhc1F2847tU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:phd5u15vpf0g9aom059f8i9omcrkgd61fv@4ax.com...
On 31 Jan 2006 18:34:40 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
wrote
in alt.atheism
According to the definition of atheism, agnostics are included because
they are not theists. However, according to this page, agnostics seem
to
be excluded:
http://www.atheists.org/visitors.center/because.html
Is this page incorrect or just more specific when addressing how
American Atheist members define themselves?
Obviously, this is a question for AA members only. Fundies and Trolls
need not bother.
Thanks in advance.
I have no idea. I'm not a member.
Either am I, but I play on on TV :)
Well get off that before you tip it over!
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
Katrina aftermath pictures
http://www.nola.com/katrinaphotos/user/
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
It may be a more productive use of her time than actually watching it..
Considering the amount of crap that's usually on, you got that right! ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Is the American Atheists group inclusive towards agnostics or not? |
04 Feb 2006 11:02:26 AM |
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On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:16:23 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:phd5u15vpf0g9aom059f8i9omcrkgd61fv@4ax.com...
On 31 Jan 2006 18:34:40 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
According to the definition of atheism, agnostics are included because
they are not theists. However, according to this page, agnostics seem
to be excluded:
http://www.atheists.org/visitors.center/because.html
Is this page incorrect or just more specific when addressing how
American Atheist members define themselves?
Obviously, this is a question for AA members only. Fundies and Trolls
need not bother.
Thanks in advance.
I have no idea. I'm not a member.
Either am I, but I play on on TV :)
Cool! Lays on floor looking up.... ;)
(sorry) ;)
No worries, as there was enough to work with.... :D
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: Is the American Atheists group inclusive towards agnostics or not? |
03 Feb 2006 05:19:51 AM |
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On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:47:54 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On 31 Jan 2006 18:34:40 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
According to the definition of atheism, agnostics are included because
they are not theists. However, according to this page, agnostics seem
to be excluded:
http://www.atheists.org/visitors.center/because.html
Is this page incorrect or just more specific when addressing how
American Atheist members define themselves?
Obviously, this is a question for AA members only. Fundies and Trolls
need not bother.
Thanks in advance.
I have no idea. I'm not a member.
And I am not from any of the American nations
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Is the American Atheists group inclusive towards agnostics or not? |
07 Feb 2006 07:41:32 PM |
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On 31 Jan 2006 18:34:40 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote:
According to the definition of atheism, agnostics are included because
they are not theists. However, according to this page, agnostics seem
to be excluded:
http://www.atheists.org/visitors.center/because.html
Is this page incorrect or just more specific when addressing how
American Atheist members define themselves?
Obviously, this is a question for AA members only. Fundies and Trolls
need not bother.
Thanks in advance.
I disagree with your reasoning. Atheists lack belief in deities, agnostics are
not sure so they are not divested from theism.
Ben
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