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"Bill" |
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17 Oct 2004 07:03:46 PM |
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Is the Bible true??? |
The Bible was not dictated by god to mortal scribes; it was
written and embellished by some 40 authors - claimed prophets, kings,
politicians
and clergymen in a variety of styles over a 1600 year period.
It was written in Hebrew, Greek (vernacular), Aramaic, Syriac, Coptic and
Latin. On stone, wood, clay, goatskin and papyrus.
It is an amalgam of history, tales and fiction. It is so abstruse that
almost any interpretation that one likes can be claimed.
It is a strange mixture of diverse human documents, metaphors, allegories,
history and fables and irreconcilable notions. Inspired? The Bible is not
even intelligent. It is not even good craftsmanship, but is full of
absurdities and contradictions.
If this is the word of God, God is in serious need of mental help.
If the Jesus story is true, why did Jesus only communicate with a miniscule
portion of the worlds population for only a relatively few years?
If man, who God supposedly created, can communicate clearly via radio, TV
and telephone to almost the entire world, why can't God communicate his
demands and wishes clearly and directly by an equally efficient manner to
the entire world? Why communicate with a document like the Bible produced by
errant men that is obtuse and contradictory? There is NO OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE
that the Bible is the word of God. Why should we believe it? And why didn't
God communicate with mankind 150,000 years ago when man first walked the
earth instead of letting man go without guidance for 150,000 years?
If all men go to a heaven or hell for eternity why does God not let them
communicate with their children and friends to assure them that God, heaven
and hell actually do exist? Why keep this a secret?
This whole Jesus/Bible scenario is pure fable written by errant men - NOT
the words of any God.
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Bill
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Is the Bible true??? |
17 Oct 2004 07:11:08 PM |
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"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in
news:CLDcd.4235$OD2.1046@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
The Bible was not dictated by god to mortal scribes; it was
written and embellished by some 40 authors - claimed prophets, kings,
politicians
and clergymen in a variety of styles over a 1600 year period.
It was written in Hebrew, Greek (vernacular), Aramaic, Syriac, Coptic
and Latin. On stone, wood, clay, goatskin and papyrus.
It is an amalgam of history, tales and fiction. It is so abstruse that
almost any interpretation that one likes can be claimed.
It is a strange mixture of diverse human documents, metaphors,
allegories, history and fables and irreconcilable notions. Inspired?
The Bible is not even intelligent. It is not even good craftsmanship,
but is full of absurdities and contradictions.
If this is the word of God, God is in serious need of mental help.
If the Jesus story is true, why did Jesus only communicate with a
miniscule portion of the worlds population for only a relatively few
years?
If man, who God supposedly created, can communicate clearly via radio,
TV and telephone to almost the entire world, why can't God communicate
his demands and wishes clearly and directly by an equally efficient
manner to the entire world? Why communicate with a document like the
Bible produced by errant men that is obtuse and contradictory? There
is NO OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE that the Bible is the word of God. Why should
we believe it? And why didn't God communicate with mankind 150,000
years ago when man first walked the earth instead of letting man go
without guidance for 150,000 years?
If all men go to a heaven or hell for eternity why does God not let
them communicate with their children and friends to assure them that
God, heaven and hell actually do exist? Why keep this a secret?
This whole Jesus/Bible scenario is pure fable written by errant men -
NOT the words of any God.
Absolutely true. Are you going to AQOTM?
--
Enkidu aa 2165
That wall, embodied in the First Amendment, is perhaps
America's most important contribution to political progress
on this planet.
Lowell Weicker
Republican Senator 1971-1989
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| User: "Jude" |
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| Title: Re: Is the Bible true??? |
18 Oct 2004 06:51:18 AM |
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"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:CLDcd.4235$OD2.1046@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
The Bible was not dictated by god to mortal scribes; it was
written and embellished by some 40 authors - claimed prophets, kings,
politicians
and clergymen in a variety of styles over a 1600 year period.
It was written in Hebrew, Greek (vernacular), Aramaic, Syriac, Coptic and
Latin. On stone, wood, clay, goatskin and papyrus.
It is an amalgam of history, tales and fiction. It is so abstruse that
almost any interpretation that one likes can be claimed.
It is a strange mixture of diverse human documents, metaphors, allegories,
history and fables and irreconcilable notions. Inspired? The Bible is not
even intelligent. It is not even good craftsmanship, but is full of
absurdities and contradictions.
If this is the word of God, God is in serious need of mental help.
While I agree with you that it is a book written by men ABOUT God, I add
that it was done honestly and to the best of THEIR understanding at the
time.
If the Jesus story is true, why did Jesus only communicate with a
miniscule
portion of the worlds population for only a relatively few years?
The fact that Jesus' ministry was only about 3 years long, doesn't negate
that the story is true. Was it PERFECTLY set down in the NT. No, because
it was written by fallible men. However, the ONLY way a person can come to
conclusion IF Jesus is real is to sincerely pray to God to reveal it.
If man, who God supposedly created, can communicate clearly via radio, TV
and telephone to almost the entire world, why can't God communicate his
demands and wishes clearly and directly by an equally efficient manner to
the entire world? Why communicate with a document like the Bible produced
by
errant men that is obtuse and contradictory? There is NO OBJECTIVE
EVIDENCE
that the Bible is the word of God. Why should we believe it? And why
didn't
God communicate with mankind 150,000 years ago when man first walked the
earth instead of letting man go without guidance for 150,000 years?
If all men go to a heaven or hell for eternity why does God not let them
communicate with their children and friends to assure them that God,
heaven
and hell actually do exist? Why keep this a secret?
Well, we don't KNOW what God's plan is. Those who say they know it ALL, are
lying and/or COMPLETELY relying on the writing within the bible.
This whole Jesus/Bible scenario is pure fable written by errant men - NOT
the words of any God.
JUST becasue the bible was written by MEN about GOD and Jesus does NOT
necessarily negate the realness of the message of salvation written ABOUT.
I could have an uncle George and write about him and, in the writing tell
you the WRONG date of his birth. YET, does THAT mean he wasn't EVER born or
isn't my uncle George? NO, all it does is prove the fundamentalists wrong
in THEIR erroneous interpretation that the bible was written by God Himself
through men. THEY have make God open to mockery.
--
Bill
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: Is the Bible true??? |
18 Oct 2004 10:48:42 AM |
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--
Bill
"Jude" <cajun@bayou.louisiana> wrote in message
news:F6Ocd.17909$pi7.14554@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:CLDcd.4235$OD2.1046@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
The Bible was not dictated by god to mortal scribes; it was
written and embellished by some 40 authors - claimed prophets, kings,
politicians
and clergymen in a variety of styles over a 1600 year period.
It was written in Hebrew, Greek (vernacular), Aramaic, Syriac, Coptic
and
Latin. On stone, wood, clay, goatskin and papyrus.
It is an amalgam of history, tales and fiction. It is so abstruse that
almost any interpretation that one likes can be claimed.
It is a strange mixture of diverse human documents, metaphors,
allegories,
history and fables and irreconcilable notions. Inspired? The Bible is
not
even intelligent. It is not even good craftsmanship, but is full of
absurdities and contradictions.
If this is the word of God, God is in serious need of mental help.
While I agree with you that it is a book written by men ABOUT God, I add
that it was done honestly and to the best of THEIR understanding at the
time.
How do you know this? How do you know what part is fact and what part is
fable?
If the Jesus story is true, why did Jesus only communicate with a
miniscule
portion of the worlds population for only a relatively few years?
The fact that Jesus' ministry was only about 3 years long, doesn't negate
that the story is true. Was it PERFECTLY set down in the NT. No, because
it was written by fallible men. However, the ONLY way a person can come
to
conclusion IF Jesus is real is to sincerely pray to God to reveal it.
I did that years ago and was never answered. Why did not God answer me?
What negates the story is that there is NO OBJECTIVE evidence that Jesus
was the son of God are even that he existed except as a fable. The only
evidence
is totally subjective OPINION.
If man, who God supposedly created, can communicate clearly via radio,
TV
and telephone to almost the entire world, why can't God communicate his
demands and wishes clearly and directly by an equally efficient manner
to
the entire world? Why communicate with a document like the Bible
produced
by
errant men that is obtuse and contradictory? There is NO OBJECTIVE
EVIDENCE
that the Bible is the word of God. Why should we believe it? And why
didn't
God communicate with mankind 150,000 years ago when man first walked the
earth instead of letting man go without guidance for 150,000 years?
If all men go to a heaven or hell for eternity why does God not let them
communicate with their children and friends to assure them that God,
heaven
and hell actually do exist? Why keep this a secret?
Well, we don't KNOW what God's plan is. Those who say they know it ALL,
are
lying and/or COMPLETELY relying on the writing within the bible.
This whole Jesus/Bible scenario is pure fable written by errant men -
NOT
the words of any God.
JUST because the bible was written by MEN about GOD and Jesus does NOT
necessarily negate the realness of the message of salvation written ABOUT.
Why would a real God allow this phony crap to be written about someone as
important as God and salvation is?
I could have an uncle George and write about him and, in the writing tell
you the WRONG date of his birth. YET, does THAT mean he wasn't EVER born
or
isn't my uncle George?
No but it is not evidence of his existence either. If you produced a valid
birth certificate,
photos and letters from him, that would be objective evidence of his
existence.
The bible is loaded with falsehoods, inconsistencies and parables. There is
nothing in the
Bible that is objective evidence that Jesus was God or for that matter that
he actually
existed.
NO, all it does is prove the fundamentalists wrong
in THEIR erroneous interpretation that the bible was written by God
Himself
through men. THEY have make God open to mockery.
--
Bill
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| User: "Jude" |
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18 Oct 2004 11:45:42 AM |
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"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:uBRcd.716812$Gx4.87219@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
--
Bill
"Jude" <cajun@bayou.louisiana> wrote in message
news:F6Ocd.17909$pi7.14554@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:CLDcd.4235$OD2.1046@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
The Bible was not dictated by god to mortal scribes; it was
written and embellished by some 40 authors - claimed prophets, kings,
politicians
and clergymen in a variety of styles over a 1600 year period.
It was written in Hebrew, Greek (vernacular), Aramaic, Syriac, Coptic
and
Latin. On stone, wood, clay, goatskin and papyrus.
It is an amalgam of history, tales and fiction. It is so abstruse that
almost any interpretation that one likes can be claimed.
It is a strange mixture of diverse human documents, metaphors,
allegories,
history and fables and irreconcilable notions. Inspired? The Bible is
not
even intelligent. It is not even good craftsmanship, but is full of
absurdities and contradictions.
If this is the word of God, God is in serious need of mental help.
While I agree with you that it is a book written by men ABOUT God, I add
that it was done honestly and to the best of THEIR understanding at the
time.
How do you know this? How do you know what part is fact and what part is
fable?
You have to study the bible and gleen the good. It's like the old sayings:
Don't throw the baby out with the dirty water. and .... Eat the fish and
leave the bones behind.
If the Jesus story is true, why did Jesus only communicate with a
miniscule
portion of the worlds population for only a relatively few years?
The fact that Jesus' ministry was only about 3 years long, doesn't
negate
that the story is true. Was it PERFECTLY set down in the NT. No,
because
it was written by fallible men. However, the ONLY way a person can come
to
conclusion IF Jesus is real is to sincerely pray to God to reveal it.
I did that years ago and was never answered. Why did not God answer me?
Perhaps, the inerrant bible got in the way of you REALLY being open. If
your conclusion was that the bible had so many absurdities in it, the
message in COULDN'T be true, were you really open?
Also, the answer to that prayer doesn't .... POOF happen right then! The
timing for me about 5 years. I had even forgotten about the prayer
actually. IF you really prayed that with ALL sincerity, then one day you
will have your experience. In the meantime, don't worry about it.
What negates the story is that there is NO OBJECTIVE evidence that Jesus
was the son of God are even that he existed except as a fable. The only
evidence is totally subjective OPINION.
If man, who God supposedly created, can communicate clearly via radio,
TV
and telephone to almost the entire world, why can't God communicate
his
demands and wishes clearly and directly by an equally efficient manner
to
the entire world? Why communicate with a document like the Bible
produced
by
errant men that is obtuse and contradictory? There is NO OBJECTIVE
EVIDENCE
that the Bible is the word of God. Why should we believe it? And why
didn't
God communicate with mankind 150,000 years ago when man first walked
the
earth instead of letting man go without guidance for 150,000 years?
If all men go to a heaven or hell for eternity why does God not let
them
communicate with their children and friends to assure them that God,
heaven
and hell actually do exist? Why keep this a secret?
Well, we don't KNOW what God's plan is. Those who say they know it ALL,
are
lying and/or COMPLETELY relying on the writing within the bible.
This whole Jesus/Bible scenario is pure fable written by errant men -
NOT
the words of any God.
JUST because the bible was written by MEN about GOD and Jesus does NOT
necessarily negate the realness of the message of salvation written
ABOUT.
Why would a real God allow this phony crap to be written about someone as
important as God and salvation is?
I could have an uncle George and write about him and, in the writing
tell
you the WRONG date of his birth. YET, does THAT mean he wasn't EVER
born
or
isn't my uncle George?
No but it is not evidence of his existence either. If you produced a valid
birth certificate,
photos and letters from him, that would be objective evidence of his
existence.
The bible is loaded with falsehoods, inconsistencies and parables. There
is
nothing in the
Bible that is objective evidence that Jesus was God or for that matter
that
he actually
existed.
I agree. It was the author's BEST understanding of God, the Creator at the
time. They believed a lot of stuff that is proven as absurdity today.
NO, all it does is prove the fundamentalists wrong
in THEIR erroneous interpretation that the bible was written by God
Himself
through men. THEY have make God open to mockery.
--
Bill
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| User: "Ninure Saunders" |
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| Title: Re: Is the Bible true??? |
18 Oct 2004 10:12:48 AM |
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In article <F6Ocd.17909$pi7.14554@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, "Jude"
<cajun@bayou.louisiana> wrote:
-"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
-news:CLDcd.4235$OD2.1046@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
-> The Bible was not dictated by god to mortal scribes; it was
-> written and embellished by some 40 authors - claimed prophets, kings,
-> politicians
-> and clergymen in a variety of styles over a 1600 year period.
->
-> It was written in Hebrew, Greek (vernacular), Aramaic, Syriac, Coptic and
-> Latin. On stone, wood, clay, goatskin and papyrus.
->
-> It is an amalgam of history, tales and fiction. It is so abstruse that
-> almost any interpretation that one likes can be claimed.
->
-> It is a strange mixture of diverse human documents, metaphors, allegories,
-> history and fables and irreconcilable notions. Inspired? The Bible is not
-> even intelligent. It is not even good craftsmanship, but is full of
-> absurdities and contradictions.
->
-> If this is the word of God, God is in serious need of mental help.
-
-While I agree with you that it is a book written by men ABOUT God, I add
-that it was done honestly and to the best of THEIR understanding at the
-time.
-
-> If the Jesus story is true, why did Jesus only communicate with a
-miniscule
-> portion of the worlds population for only a relatively few years?
-
-The fact that Jesus' ministry was only about 3 years long, doesn't negate
-that the story is true. Was it PERFECTLY set down in the NT. No, because
-it was written by fallible men. However, the ONLY way a person can come to
-conclusion IF Jesus is real is to sincerely pray to God to reveal it.
-
-> If man, who God supposedly created, can communicate clearly via radio, TV
-> and telephone to almost the entire world, why can't God communicate his
-> demands and wishes clearly and directly by an equally efficient manner to
-> the entire world? Why communicate with a document like the Bible produced
-by
-> errant men that is obtuse and contradictory? There is NO OBJECTIVE
-EVIDENCE
-> that the Bible is the word of God. Why should we believe it? And why
-didn't
-> God communicate with mankind 150,000 years ago when man first walked the
-> earth instead of letting man go without guidance for 150,000 years?
->
-> If all men go to a heaven or hell for eternity why does God not let them
-> communicate with their children and friends to assure them that God,
-heaven
-> and hell actually do exist? Why keep this a secret?
-
-Well, we don't KNOW what God's plan is. Those who say they know it ALL, are
-lying and/or COMPLETELY relying on the writing within the bible.
-
-> This whole Jesus/Bible scenario is pure fable written by errant men - NOT
-> the words of any God.
-
-JUST becasue the bible was written by MEN about GOD and Jesus does NOT
-necessarily negate the realness of the message of salvation written ABOUT.
-I could have an uncle George and write about him and, in the writing tell
-you the WRONG date of his birth. YET, does THAT mean he wasn't EVER born or
-isn't my uncle George? NO, all it does is prove the fundamentalists wrong
-in THEIR erroneous interpretation that the bible was written by God Himself
-through men. THEY have make God open to mockery.
Exceelent answers.
You know, I am reading a book right now called the "Children of Henry
VIII) that presents many things that I had NEVER known about that King's
offspring, Jane Grey among others.,,and some info that seems to
contradict things I had learbed previously.
Was someone lying, or is it a matter that all History is filtereed by the
information avaiable to the Historian, the biases.and or purposes of the
Historian, or the surrounding culture of the Historian is a part?
If people read the Bible as ONE book, and do not read it as a collection
of books and writings....they do a disservice to the writers ans
themselves...and IMNSHO do a dissevice to the Divine...whether they be
"believers" or not.
Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
http://Ninure-Saunders.tk
Take my polls
http://ninure.100megsfree5.com
My Yahoo Group
http://Ninure.tk
My Online Diary
http://www.ninure.deardiary.net
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Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches
http://www.MCCchurch.org
The Bible Site - help provide free scripture
http://www.thebiblesite.org
To send e-mail, remove nohate from address
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| User: "Jude" |
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18 Oct 2004 11:39:24 AM |
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"Ninure Saunders" <RainbowChristiannohate@Rainbow-Christian.tk> wrote in
message
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In article <F6Ocd.17909$pi7.14554@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, "Jude"
<cajun@bayou.louisiana> wrote:
-"Bill" <wmech@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
-news:CLDcd.4235$OD2.1046@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
-> The Bible was not dictated by god to mortal scribes; it was
-> written and embellished by some 40 authors - claimed prophets, kings,
-> politicians
-> and clergymen in a variety of styles over a 1600 year period.
->
-> It was written in Hebrew, Greek (vernacular), Aramaic, Syriac, Coptic
and
-> Latin. On stone, wood, clay, goatskin and papyrus.
->
-> It is an amalgam of history, tales and fiction. It is so abstruse that
-> almost any interpretation that one likes can be claimed.
->
-> It is a strange mixture of diverse human documents, metaphors,
allegories,
-> history and fables and irreconcilable notions. Inspired? The Bible is
not
-> even intelligent. It is not even good craftsmanship, but is full of
-> absurdities and contradictions.
->
-> If this is the word of God, God is in serious need of mental help.
-
-While I agree with you that it is a book written by men ABOUT God, I add
-that it was done honestly and to the best of THEIR understanding at the
-time.
-
-> If the Jesus story is true, why did Jesus only communicate with a
-miniscule
-> portion of the worlds population for only a relatively few years?
-
-The fact that Jesus' ministry was only about 3 years long, doesn't negate
-that the story is true. Was it PERFECTLY set down in the NT. No,
because
-it was written by fallible men. However, the ONLY way a person can come
to
-conclusion IF Jesus is real is to sincerely pray to God to reveal it.
-
-> If man, who God supposedly created, can communicate clearly via radio,
TV
-> and telephone to almost the entire world, why can't God communicate his
-> demands and wishes clearly and directly by an equally efficient manner
to
-> the entire world? Why communicate with a document like the Bible
produced
-by
-> errant men that is obtuse and contradictory? There is NO OBJECTIVE
-EVIDENCE
-> that the Bible is the word of God. Why should we believe it? And why
-didn't
-> God communicate with mankind 150,000 years ago when man first walked
the
-> earth instead of letting man go without guidance for 150,000 years?
->
-> If all men go to a heaven or hell for eternity why does God not let
them
-> communicate with their children and friends to assure them that God,
-heaven
-> and hell actually do exist? Why keep this a secret?
-
-Well, we don't KNOW what God's plan is. Those who say they know it ALL,
are
-lying and/or COMPLETELY relying on the writing within the bible.
-
-> This whole Jesus/Bible scenario is pure fable written by errant men -
NOT
-> the words of any God.
-
-JUST becasue the bible was written by MEN about GOD and Jesus does NOT
-necessarily negate the realness of the message of salvation written
ABOUT.
-I could have an uncle George and write about him and, in the writing tell
-you the WRONG date of his birth. YET, does THAT mean he wasn't EVER born
or
-isn't my uncle George? NO, all it does is prove the fundamentalists
wrong
-in THEIR erroneous interpretation that the bible was written by God
Himself
-through men. THEY have make God open to mockery.
Exceelent answers.
Thank you, Ninure.
You know, I am reading a book right now called the "Children of Henry
VIII) that presents many things that I had NEVER known about that King's
offspring, Jane Grey among others.,,and some info that seems to
contradict things I had learbed previously.
Was someone lying, or is it a matter that all History is filtereed by the
information avaiable to the Historian, the biases.and or purposes of the
Historian, or the surrounding culture of the Historian is a part?
It's been said, that the "winners" get to write the history. All history,
despite people's best effort, will be "tainted" with the author's
perseptive. Good historians true try to keep this element out.
If people read the Bible as ONE book, and do not read it as a collection
of books and writings....they do a disservice to the writers ans
themselves...and IMNSHO do a dissevice to the Divine...whether they be
"believers" or not.
I agree that a disservice to faith and to God has been done by claiming
inerrancy.
Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
http://Ninure-Saunders.tk
Take my polls
http://ninure.100megsfree5.com
My Yahoo Group
http://Ninure.tk
My Online Diary
http://www.ninure.deardiary.net
-
Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches
http://www.MCCchurch.org
The Bible Site - help provide free scripture
http://www.thebiblesite.org
To send e-mail, remove nohate from address
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| User: "Moose" |
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| Title: Re: Is the Bible true??? |
17 Oct 2004 10:56:01 PM |
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Bill wrote:
If man, who God supposedly created, can communicate clearly via radio, TV
and telephone to almost the entire world, why can't God communicate his
demands and wishes clearly and directly by an equally efficient manner to
the entire world? Why communicate with a document like the Bible produced
by
errant men that is obtuse and contradictory?
Excellent point. Keep using your head. Here's another thought to ponder:
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with
sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use."
Galileo Galilei
The faithful would rather that you follow, rather than think. Never stop
using your own brain!
Moose
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| User: "patrick_darcy" |
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| Title: Re: Is the Bible true??? |
17 Oct 2004 10:25:56 PM |
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Bill wrote:
The Bible was not dictated by god to mortal scribes; it was
written and embellished by some 40 authors - claimed prophets, kings,
politicians
and clergymen in a variety of styles over a 1600 year period.
It was written in Hebrew, Greek (vernacular), Aramaic, Syriac, Coptic and
Latin. On stone, wood, clay, goatskin and papyrus.
It is an amalgam of history, tales and fiction. It is so abstruse that
almost any interpretation that one likes can be claimed.
It is a strange mixture of diverse human documents, metaphors, allegories,
history and fables and irreconcilable notions. Inspired? The Bible is not
even intelligent. It is not even good craftsmanship, but is full of
absurdities and contradictions.
If this is the word of God, God is in serious need of mental help.
If the Jesus story is true, why did Jesus only communicate with a
miniscule portion of the worlds population for only a relatively few
years?
If man, who God supposedly created, can communicate clearly via radio, TV
and telephone to almost the entire world, why can't God communicate his
demands and wishes clearly and directly by an equally efficient manner to
the entire world? Why communicate with a document like the Bible produced
by
errant men that is obtuse and contradictory? There is NO OBJECTIVE
EVIDENCE that the Bible is the word of God. Why should we believe it? And
why didn't God communicate with mankind 150,000 years ago when man first
walked the earth instead of letting man go without guidance for 150,000
years?
If all men go to a heaven or hell for eternity why does God not let them
communicate with their children and friends to assure them that God,
heaven and hell actually do exist? Why keep this a secret?
This whole Jesus/Bible scenario is pure fable written by errant men - NOT
the words of any God.
can u prove it ?
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| User: "stoney" |
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22 Oct 2004 08:29:29 PM |
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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:25:56 -0500, patrick_darcy
<patrickd@grandecom.net> wrote:
Bill wrote:
The Bible was not dictated by god to mortal scribes; it was
written and embellished by some 40 authors - claimed prophets, kings,
politicians
and clergymen in a variety of styles over a 1600 year period.
It was written in Hebrew, Greek (vernacular), Aramaic, Syriac, Coptic and
Latin. On stone, wood, clay, goatskin and papyrus.
It is an amalgam of history, tales and fiction. It is so abstruse that
almost any interpretation that one likes can be claimed.
It is a strange mixture of diverse human documents, metaphors, allegories,
history and fables and irreconcilable notions. Inspired? The Bible is not
even intelligent. It is not even good craftsmanship, but is full of
absurdities and contradictions.
If this is the word of God, God is in serious need of mental help.
If the Jesus story is true, why did Jesus only communicate with a
miniscule portion of the worlds population for only a relatively few
years?
If man, who God supposedly created, can communicate clearly via radio, TV
and telephone to almost the entire world, why can't God communicate his
demands and wishes clearly and directly by an equally efficient manner to
the entire world? Why communicate with a document like the Bible produced
by
errant men that is obtuse and contradictory? There is NO OBJECTIVE
EVIDENCE that the Bible is the word of God. Why should we believe it? And
why didn't God communicate with mankind 150,000 years ago when man first
walked the earth instead of letting man go without guidance for 150,000
years?
If all men go to a heaven or hell for eternity why does God not let them
communicate with their children and friends to assure them that God,
heaven and hell actually do exist? Why keep this a secret?
This whole Jesus/Bible scenario is pure fable written by errant men - NOT
the words of any God.
can u prove it ?
What's a g-o-d?
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
No matter the candidates the superstition industry wins.
'Jesus' is a sock-puppet Christians utilize to add 'authority' to
whatever action they intend on taking. -Stoney
And Duty Imp and Rapscallion
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| User: "Rune Børsjø" |
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18 Oct 2004 10:57:44 AM |
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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:25:56 -0500, patrick_darcy
<patrickd@grandecom.net> wrote:
can u prove it ?
Yes he can.
However, the burden of proof is on you.
But can you? No...
Question answered. Bible and religion are bullhonkey.
NEXT!
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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19 Oct 2004 08:35:21 PM |
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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:25:56 -0500, patrick_darcy
<patrickd@grandecom.net> wrote:
This whole Jesus/Bible scenario is pure fable written by errant men - NOT
the words of any God.
can u prove it ?
Try the Sceptics Annotated Bible.
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| User: "stoney" |
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21 Oct 2004 11:22:49 PM |
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True lies.
[]
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
No matter the candidates the superstition industry wins.
'Jesus' is a sock-puppet Christians utilize to add 'authority' to
whatever action they intend on taking. -Stoney
And Duty Imp and Rapscallion
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| User: "randy" |
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24 Oct 2004 09:43:50 AM |
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For Proof of the bible and that there is a living Jesus Christ check
out www.restoredcog.org
randy
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| User: "stoney" |
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25 Oct 2004 09:56:09 AM |
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On 24 Oct 2004 07:43:50 -0700, (randy) wrote
I am a mindless idiot by excreting the following:
For Proof of the bible and that there is a living Jesus Christ check
out www.restoredcog.org
Didn't your parents ever tell you its impolite to wank off in public?
randy
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
No matter the candidates the superstition industry wins.
'Jesus' is a sock-puppet Christians utilize to add 'authority' to
whatever action they intend on taking. -Stoney
And Duty Imp and Rapscallion
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| User: "thomas p" |
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25 Oct 2004 01:52:30 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:56:09 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2004 07:43:50 -0700, (randy) wrote
I am a mindless idiot by excreting the following:
For Proof of the bible and that there is a living Jesus Christ check
out www.restoredcog.org
Didn't your parents ever tell you its impolite to wank off in public?
They only see him on visiting days.
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| User: "stoney" |
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26 Oct 2004 09:48:00 AM |
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:52:30 +0200, thomas p
<thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:56:09 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2004 07:43:50 -0700, (randy) wrote
I am a mindless idiot by excreting the following:
For Proof of the bible and that there is a living Jesus Christ check
out www.restoredcog.org
Didn't your parents ever tell you its impolite to wank off in public?
They only see him on visiting days.
and only via court order.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
No matter the candidates the superstition industry wins.
'Jesus' is a sock-puppet Christians utilize to add 'authority' to
whatever action they intend on taking. -Stoney
And Duty Imp and Rapscallion
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| User: "maf 1029" |
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25 Oct 2004 05:35:12 PM |
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On 24 Oct 2004 07:43:50 -0700, (randy) wrote:
For Proof of the bible and that there is a living Jesus Christ check
out www.restoredcog.org
And the alleged proof was where, exactly?
All I saw was ads for books published by yet another One True and
Right Wayism (TM) cult.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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24 Oct 2004 10:04:22 AM |
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On 24 Oct 2004 07:43:50 -0700, (randy) wrote:
For Proof of the bible and that there is a living Jesus Christ check
out www.restoredcog.org
Do be so in-your-face fucking stupid.
randy
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| User: "thomas p" |
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25 Oct 2004 01:52:28 PM |
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:04:22 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2004 07:43:50 -0700, (randy) wrote:
For Proof of the bible and that there is a living Jesus Christ check
out www.restoredcog.org
Do be so in-your-face fucking stupid.
But that is what makes Randy Randy.
randy
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| User: "maf 1029" |
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25 Oct 2004 05:36:15 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:52:28 +0200, thomas p
<thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:04:22 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2004 07:43:50 -0700, (randy) wrote:
For Proof of the bible and that there is a living Jesus Christ check
out www.restoredcog.org
Do be so in-your-face fucking stupid.
But that is what makes Randy Randy.
Why didn't his Aunt Mom and Uncle Dad just name him Horny and be done
with the humiliation phase of his life?
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| User: "stoney" |
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26 Oct 2004 09:42:56 AM |
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:36:15 -0700, maf 1029 <mark@my.words> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:52:28 +0200, thomas p
<thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:04:22 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2004 07:43:50 -0700, (randy) wrote:
For Proof of the bible and that there is a living Jesus Christ check
out www.restoredcog.org
Do be so in-your-face fucking stupid.
But that is what makes Randy Randy.
Why didn't his Aunt Mom and Uncle Dad just name him Horny and be done
with the humiliation phase of his life?
/cue
for a greater good.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
No matter the candidates the superstition industry wins.
'Jesus' is a sock-puppet Christians utilize to add 'authority' to
whatever action they intend on taking. -Stoney
And Duty Imp and Rapscallion
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| User: "towelie" |
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26 Oct 2004 01:30:33 PM |
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Of course it is. It is the Word of God, because it says it's the Word of
God, and God wouldn't lie. Can't argue with that logic.
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I'm George W. Bush, and Karl Rove approved this message.
aa #2133
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| User: "stoney" |
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27 Oct 2004 10:39:37 AM |
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:30:33 -0500, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Of course it is. It is the Word of God, because it says it's the Word of
God, and God wouldn't lie. Can't argue with that logic.
Even when "God" demonstratably does, but then when "God" does it a lie
isn't a lie and that's the truth.
(theist 'logic' makes my head hurt)
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
No matter the candidates the superstition industry wins.
'Jesus' is a sock-puppet Christians utilize to add 'authority' to
whatever action they intend on taking. -Stoney
And Duty Imp and Rapscallion
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| User: "maf 1029" |
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26 Oct 2004 11:13:17 PM |
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:42:56 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:36:15 -0700, maf 1029 <mark@my.words> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:52:28 +0200, thomas p
<thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:04:22 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2004 07:43:50 -0700, (randy) wrote:
For Proof of the bible and that there is a living Jesus Christ check
out www.restoredcog.org
Do be so in-your-face fucking stupid.
But that is what makes Randy Randy.
Why didn't his Aunt Mom and Uncle Dad just name him Horny and be done
with the humiliation phase of his life?
/cue
for a greater good.
Thank you, Piper Halliwell. <g>
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| User: "stoney" |
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27 Oct 2004 10:40:20 AM |
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:13:17 -0700, maf 1029
<mark@notantony.cleosplace> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:42:56 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:36:15 -0700, maf 1029 <mark@my.words> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:52:28 +0200, thomas p
<thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:04:22 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On 24 Oct 2004 07:43:50 -0700, (randy) wrote:
For Proof of the bible and that there is a living Jesus Christ check
out www.restoredcog.org
Do be so in-your-face fucking stupid.
But that is what makes Randy Randy.
Why didn't his Aunt Mom and Uncle Dad just name him Horny and be done
with the humiliation phase of his life?
/cue
for a greater good.
Thank you, Piper Halliwell. <g>
/cue angelic innocence
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
No matter the candidates the superstition industry wins.
'Jesus' is a sock-puppet Christians utilize to add 'authority' to
whatever action they intend on taking. -Stoney
And Duty Imp and Rapscallion
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| User: "mclark" |
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24 Oct 2004 10:04:29 PM |
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randy <canadianpiper22@yahoo.ca> wrote:
For Proof of the bible and that there is a living Jesus Christ check
out www.restoredcog.org
randy
Nobody has ever become a Christian because some other Christian was able
to prove Jesus Christ to them. Only Jesus' Holy Spirit can open your
mind to who Jesus Christ is. The Holy Spirit only does this by
invitation in faith as per Revelation 3:20.
Indeed, returt to God, believing in his Son Jesus in faith, and have
eternal life.
M. Clark
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| User: "Tom" |
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25 Oct 2004 02:29:09 PM |
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"mclark" <idontreply@toemail.com> wrote in message
news:1gm6fe0.p7wdcy13s579iN%idontreply@toemail.com...
randy <canadianpiper22@yahoo.ca> wrote:
For Proof of the bible and that there is a living Jesus Christ check
out www.restoredcog.org
randy
Nobody has ever become a Christian because some other Christian was able
to prove Jesus Christ to them. Only Jesus' Holy Spirit can open your
mind to who Jesus Christ is. The Holy Spirit only does this by
invitation in faith as per Revelation 3:20.
Indeed, returt to God, believing in his Son Jesus in faith, and have
eternal life.
M. Clark
There is no eternal life, there is no Jesus, there is no god. Get used to
it!
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| User: "Your Name Here=Harvey" |
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25 Oct 2004 11:49:15 PM |
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In article <10nql0a39d375b9@corp.supernews.com>, says...
"mclark" <idontreply@toemail.com> wrote in message
news:1gm6fe0.p7wdcy13s579iN%idontreply@toemail.com...
randy <canadianpiper22@yahoo.ca> wrote:
For Proof of the bible and that there is a living Jesus Christ check
out www.restoredcog.org
randy
Nobody has ever become a Christian because some other Christian was able
to prove Jesus Christ to them. Only Jesus' Holy Spirit can open your
mind to who Jesus Christ is. The Holy Spirit only does this by
invitation in faith as per Revelation 3:20.
Indeed, returt to God, believing in his Son Jesus in faith, and have
eternal life.
M. Clark
There is no eternal life, there is no Jesus, there is no god. Get used to
it!
If you are in search of the truth, I think you'll find there is ---
eternal life - if there is a spirit, or evidence consciousness exists
outside the body, or independent of it.
God? Evidently 'god' is not clearly visible or felt in this physical
reality, but in the spirit realm, there is no doubt there.
As for Jesus - maybe there was a figure in history --- but christianity
then made him into a puppet/martyr for their own purposes...
I don't have faith in christianity or the bible - there may be some
truth in the bible, but there's always disagreement as to what is
actually happening in this or that passage.
Harvey
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| User: "thomas p" |
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26 Oct 2004 02:40:53 PM |
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:49:15 +1300, Your Name Here=Harvey
<you@somewhere.not.aus> wrote:
In article <10nql0a39d375b9@corp.supernews.com>, says...
"mclark" <idontreply@toemail.com> wrote in message
news:1gm6fe0.p7wdcy13s579iN%idontreply@toemail.com...
randy <canadianpiper22@yahoo.ca> wrote:
For Proof of the bible and that there is a living Jesus Christ check
out www.restoredcog.org
randy
Nobody has ever become a Christian because some other Christian was able
to prove Jesus Christ to them. Only Jesus' Holy Spirit can open your
mind to who Jesus Christ is. The Holy Spirit only does this by
invitation in faith as per Revelation 3:20.
Indeed, returt to God, believing in his Son Jesus in faith, and have
eternal life.
M. Clark
There is no eternal life, there is no Jesus, there is no god. Get used to
it!
If you are in search of the truth, I think you'll find there is ---
eternal life -
Evidence? I didn't think so.
if there is a spirit, or evidence consciousness exists
outside the body, or independent of it.
God? Evidently 'god' is not clearly visible or felt in this physical
reality, but in the spirit realm, there is no doubt there.
Perhaps you do not doubt.
As for Jesus - maybe there was a figure in history --- but christianity
then made him into a puppet/martyr for their own purposes...
I don't have faith in christianity or the bible - there may be some
truth in the bible, but there's always disagreement as to what is
actually happening in this or that passage.
And there is no evidence, which is exactly what you presented; i.e. no
evidence.
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| User: "mclark" |
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26 Oct 2004 12:44:29 PM |
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Your Name Here=Harvey <you@somewhere.not.aus> wrote:
In article <10nql0a39d375b9@corp.supernews.com>, says...
"mclark" <idontreply@toemail.com> wrote in message
news:1gm6fe0.p7wdcy13s579iN%idontreply@toemail.com...
randy <canadianpiper22@yahoo.ca> wrote:
For Proof of the bible and that there is a living Jesus Christ check
out www.restoredcog.org
randy
Nobody has ever become a Christian because some other Christian was able
to prove Jesus Christ to them. Only Jesus' Holy Spirit can open your
mind to who Jesus Christ is. The Holy Spirit only does this by
invitation in faith as per Revelation 3:20.
Indeed, returt to God, believing in his Son Jesus in faith, and have
eternal life.
M. Clark
There is no eternal life, there is no Jesus, there is no god. Get used to
it!
If you are in search of the truth, I think you'll find there is ---
eternal life - if there is a spirit, or evidence consciousness exists
outside the body, or independent of it.
God? Evidently 'god' is not clearly visible or felt in this physical
reality, but in the spirit realm, there is no doubt there.
As for Jesus - maybe there was a figure in history --- but christianity
then made him into a puppet/martyr for their own purposes...
I don't have faith in christianity or the bible - there may be some
truth in the bible, but there's always disagreement as to what is
actually happening in this or that passage.
Harvey
Note that Luke 24:44-45 shows that Jesus had to open the minds of his
own apostles to the Scriptures. Indeed, regardless that they
essentially studied from the same scroll version of the Scriptures that
Jesus did, they had failed to correlate OT prophecies to events that
they had witnessed concerning Jesus. John 16:12-15 shows that Jesus'
Holy Spirit now opens our minds to the Scriptures as Jesus did with his
apostles, that is, if we allow the Spirit to do so. Otherwise, if you
resist the guidance of Jesus' Spirit, then you are no better off than 1
Corinthians 1:18-19.
Return to God, believing in his Son Jesus in faith, and have eternal
life.
M. Clark
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