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Topic:	Religions > Atheism
User:	"Eris"
Date:	27 Aug 2004 06:13:33 PM
Object:	Is there any proof that Dubyah ever flew anykind of an airplane?

I notice it wasn't one of his hobbies after he "left" the
National Guard unit.
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User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Is there any proof that Dubyah ever flew anykind of an airplane?	27 Aug 2004 07:28:07 PM

Eris <vithant01@antispm.comcast.net> wrote in
news:uvfvi0d8gd46889mis4olmio6teq2qvmr8@4ax.com:

I notice it wasn't one of his hobbies after he "left" the
National Guard unit.

http://www.nationalreview.com/flashback/york200408261025.asp
....FOUR YEARS OF FLYING
The controversy over Bush's service centers on what his critics call
"the period in question," that is, the time from May 1972 until May
1973. What is not mentioned as often is that that period was in fact
Bush's fifth year in the Guard, one that followed four years of often
intense service.
Bush joined in May 1968. He went through six weeks of basic training — a
full-time job — at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Tex. Then he
underwent 53 weeks of flight training — again, full time — at Moody Air
Force Base in Valdosta, Ga. Then he underwent 21 weeks of fighter
interceptor training — full time — at Ellington Air Force Base in
Houston. Counting other, shorter, postings in between, by the end of his
training period Bush had served two years on active duty.
Certified to fly the F-102 fighter plane, Bush then began a period of
frequent — usually weekly — flying. The F-102 was designed to shoot down
other fighter planes, and the missions Bush flew were training flights,
mostly over the Gulf of Mexico and often at night, in which pilots took
turns being the predator and the prey."If you're going to practice how
to shoot down another airplane, then you have to have another airplane
up there to work on," recalls retired Col. William Campenni, who flew
with Bush in 1970 and 1971. "He'd be the target for the first half of
the mission, and then we'd switch."
During that period Bush's superiors gave him consistently high ratings
as a pilot. "Lt. Bush is an exceptional fighter interceptor pilot and
officer," wrote one in a 1972 evaluation. Another evaluation, in 1971,
called Bush "an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot" who
"continually flies intercept missions with the unit to increase his
proficiency even further." And a third rating, in 1970, said Bush
"clearly stands out as a top notch fighter interceptor pilot" and was
also "a natural leader whom his contemporaries look to for
leadership."...
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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User: "jwk"
Title: Re: Is there any proof that Dubyah ever flew anykind of an airplane?	29 Aug 2004 06:34:22 PM

Eris <vithant01@antispm.comcast.net> wrote in message news:<uvfvi0d8gd46889mis4olmio6teq2qvmr8@4ax.com>...

I notice it wasn't one of his hobbies after he "left" the
National Guard unit.

Since the only material referenced that says he did is the National
Review, the answer is "no, no evidence at all".
jwk
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User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Is there any proof that Dubyah ever flew anykind of an airplane?	29 Aug 2004 07:47:50 PM

(jwk) wrote in
news:c6f5ba32.0408291534.102bdd08@posting.google.com:

Eris <vithant01@antispm.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<uvfvi0d8gd46889mis4olmio6teq2qvmr8@4ax.com>...

I notice it wasn't one of his hobbies after he "left" the
National Guard unit.

Since the only material referenced that says he did is the National
Review, the answer is "no, no evidence at all".

Ah, de nile ain't just a river in Egypt, is it?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
.

User: "wbarwell"
Title: Re: Is there any proof that Dubyah ever flew anykind of an airplane?	28 Aug 2004 09:31:18 AM

Eris wrote:

I notice it wasn't one of his hobbies after he "left" the
National Guard unit.

Actually, it was and he was dangerous at it.
Check www.awolbush.com for details.
Luckily after having a close call with a Cessna
full of people he gave up joy riding in aircraft
fairly quickly.
--
Senator Waxman's searchable database of iraq war lies.
www.house.gov/reform/min/features/iraq_on_the_record/
A good portal to more lies and Bush stupidity is to be found at
www.failureisimpossible.com - Go to the index and go to
"L" for lies. All you need to know about Bush when you
step into the voting booth. Bush is a liar and surrounds
himself with fellow liars.
Cheerful Charlie
.

User: "duke"
Title: Re: Is there any proof that Dubyah ever flew anykind of an airplane?	29 Aug 2004 08:06:24 AM

On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:31:18 -0400, wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

I notice it wasn't one of his hobbies after he "left" the
National Guard unit.

Actually, it was and he was dangerous at it.
Check www.awolbush.com for details.
Luckily after having a close call with a Cessna
full of people he gave up joy riding in aircraft
fairly quickly.

Nothing comes closer than 2 opposing passing cars on a 2-lane road. Do you ride a bike
now?
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
.

User: "wbarwell"
Title: Re: Is there any proof that Dubyah ever flew anykind of an airplane?	29 Aug 2004 07:32:30 AM

duke wrote:

On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:31:18 -0400, wbarwell
<wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

I notice it wasn't one of his hobbies after he "left" the
National Guard unit.

Actually, it was and he was dangerous at it.

Check www.awolbush.com for details.
Luckily after having a close call with a Cessna
full of people he gave up joy riding in aircraft
fairly quickly.

The day of the ride, Bush asked his sixteen-year-old brother,
Marvin, to come along. One of the PULL kids started popping off,
making noise, once they were up in the air. Bush stalled the
engine for a second, and the passengers, scared to death, grew
quiet." Minutaglio, Bill. First Son, George W. Bush and
the Bush Family Dynasty, Random House, NY, 1999 Pg. 151,

<H2>Bush really flying in a Cessna 172 in 1976:</H2>
NOT LONG AFTER Reisner's delicate trip to
Midland[summer 1976], Bush banged on the door of
Susie and Don Evans on an otherwise placid Sunday afternoon
and suggested to Don that they head out to the airport
and spend a few bucks for a spin over the
desiccated Permian Basin in a single-engine Cessna.
Susie Evans, who had gone to elementary school with Bush, was a
longtime Midland presence, and when she had been dating
her future husband in Houston, she had frequently
stayed at the Bush house. She had moved back to
Midland, and after she had heard that Bush was back in town,
she and her husband had frequently invited him over.
Her husband Don Evans... Willard... was a short,
fastidious, narrow-faced oilman in his early
thirties who was poised to assume control of the Tom Brown Company,
one of the legendary older names in the West
Texas patch. Bush had begun spending more time at the Evanses'
apartment in the Windsor Courts, drinking cocktails with
them and leaving his laundry for Susie to do. Bush liked Evans's
politics, he liked that they were about the same
age and that both of them had recent MBAs. He liked
the fact that Evans's old man had landed on the beach at Normandy
during World War II.
Evans said he'd love to go flying. At the
airport he watched Bush stare at
the controls, at the panel, and he realized that Bush-though
not
admitting it-had no idea how to fly the thing
properly. After finally figuring out how to launch the
plane, Bush pushed the Cessna hard down the runway.
Evans screamed, "Give it some gas!" The Cessna's
warning system was blinking and crackling. Bush tried to lift his
craft fast, almost as if he were piloting a jet back in the Texas Air
National Guard. The plane wobbled
into the air, and the unsubtle maneuvering threatened to shove it
into a stall. Now the rented plane was rattling in the sky over
Midland 

The endless petrochemical complexes, all the aluminum
and steel and smoke stacks that pockmark the Permian Basin, were
spiking up just below the aircraft. Bush nervously turned to
Evans, put his hand on his knee and blurted in his self-mocking West
Texas way, "Okay, Evvie, I’ve got it under
control."
After more seemingly endless moments, he somehow got
control of the plane again. He aimed the aircraft down, and the
landing was as shaky and brutal as the takeoff. The plane careened
off the runway and onto the desert. Evans sighed in relief. Then
an unbelieving Evans braced himself as Bush suddenly and unexpectedly
spun the plane and bounced back along the runway. Evans
stared at Bush. He could see the fear and panic flooding his face.
Bush pressed on. Evans had no idea why Bush wanted to go again. The
plane wobbled uncertainly back into the West Texas skies, and Bush
turned to Evans. "Hey,"
said Bush airily, as if he had just had an original, amusing
idea,
"let's fly around
Midland."
The men began cracking up. Bush brought the Cessna
back to the airport. It was the last time he flew a plane.
Evans would be one of the three people at Bush's side in almost every
public venture for the twenty-three years.
Minutaglio pg 175&176
Here is another version:
 Donnie Evans remembered a similar story involving
an airplane. He told David Maraniss that less than a year after
George W. first got back to Midland he came over to Donnie's house
and told him he wanted to take a single-engine Cessna for a little
joyride. They drove over to the airfield and got in the plane. Then
George W. realized he didn't have a clue how to fly a
Cessna. "The
guy didn't even know how to start the thing," Evans
reportedly said. "That was a bad omen. Finally we get it
started and roll down the runway, and he tries to take it straight up
like a jet! We go into a stall, buzzcrs are going off. I say, 'Give
it some gas!' We finally get it airborne, and he decides he
better turn around and go back. I can tell he's nervous, but he
says,
'Okay, Evvie, got it under control.' We come down
and he lands half on the runway and half on the grass. And
then he pats my leg and says don't worry, and he takes it up again.
This time he's so scared he says, 'Hey, let's fly around
Midland.' He had to get his confidence up. Somehow we got
back safely. He's never flown again.
 W:REVENGE OF THE BUSH DYNASTY Page 152
If he flew the T-41A at Moody, should have been his
Primary Trainer in '68, he should have been able to fly the Cessna
172 in '76. Even if it was 12 years later, he should have been
rechecked on it before the rental. Was he just screwing around? Hard
to say. Does it sound like a real pilot? No.
www.house.gov/reform/min/features/iraq_on_the_record/
A good portal to more lies and Bush stupidity is to be found at
www.failureisimpossible.com - Go to the index and go to
"L" for lies. All you need to know about Bush when you
step into the voting booth. Bush is a liar and surrounds
himself with fellow liars.
Cheerful Charlie
.

User: "duke"
Title: Re: Is there any proof that Dubyah ever flew anykind of an airplane?	29 Aug 2004 03:27:52 PM

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 08:32:30 -0400, wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

If he flew the T-41A at Moody, should have been his
Primary Trainer in '68, he should have been able to fly the Cessna
172 in '76. Even if it was 12 years later, he should have been
rechecked on it before the rental. Was he just screwing around? Hard
to say. Does it sound like a real pilot? No.

I have no idea what silliness you're quoting here, but 2 things:
One is required to get a check flight at preselected periods, depending on ratings.
Flying a C172 is trememdously easier than flying a T41. However in a crosswind, it well
moves to the side much easier than something bigger and heavier.

Cheerful Charlie

But none too bright.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
.

User: "David Canzi -- non-mailable address"
Title: Re: Is there any proof that Dubyah ever flew anykind of an airplane?	30 Aug 2004 07:15:27 PM

In article <poe4j0h8uk81fh5s1trb5edrk7qj1d9gp8@4ax.com>,
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

Flying a C172 is trememdously easier than flying a T41. However in a
crosswind, it well
moves to the side much easier than something bigger and heavier.

If crosswinds are too strong or too gusty to land the plane safely,
the pilot should *stay* *on* *the* *ground*.
--
David Canzi "Nonconformists travel as a rule in bunches. You rarely find
a nonconformist who goes it alone. And woe to him inside a
nonconformist clique who does not conform with nonconformity."
-- Eric Hoffer
.

User: "wbarwell"
Title: Re: Is there any proof that Dubyah ever flew anykind of an airplane?	29 Aug 2004 11:50:32 PM

duke wrote:

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 08:32:30 -0400, wbarwell
<wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

I have no idea what silliness you're quoting here, but 2 things:

One is required to get a check flight at preselected periods, depending on
ratings.

Flying a C172 is trememdously easier than flying a T41. However in a
crosswind, it well moves to the side much easier than something bigger and
heavier.

Cheerful Charlie

But none too bright.

Brighter than you. But a chipmonks accomplishes that.
www.awolbush.com
Bush endangered a load of people in a Cessna.
he was an idiot. You don't load up a bunch of people in a hired
plane you are not familar with and toodle off nearly wrecking it.
Years later, the same man with the same mindest, toodled off to
war based on lies, exaggerations and incompetence.
Superficiality and incompetence have long been Bush's main
characteristics. Thoughtlessness.
--
Senator Waxman's searchable database of iraq war lies.
www.house.gov/reform/min/features/iraq_on_the_record/
A good portal to more lies and Bush stupidity is to be found at
www.failureisimpossible.com - Go to the index and go to
"L" for lies. All you need to know about Bush when you
step into the voting booth. Bush is a liar and surrounds
himself with fellow liars.
Cheerful Charlie
.

User: "duke"
Title: Re: Is there any proof that Dubyah ever flew anykind of an airplane?	30 Aug 2004 05:29:48 AM

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:50:32 -0400, wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

I have no idea what silliness you're quoting here, but 2 things:
One is required to get a check flight at preselected periods, depending on
ratings.
Flying a C172 is trememdously easier than flying a T41. However in a
crosswind, it well moves to the side much easier than something bigger and
heavier.

Brighter than you. But a chipmonks accomplishes that.

AND, that places us both above you.

www.awolbush.com
Bush endangered a load of people in a Cessna.
he was an idiot. You don't load up a bunch of people in a hired
plane you are not familar with and toodle off nearly wrecking it.

WHO says he was unfamiliar with it?
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Is there any proof that Dubyah ever flew anykind of an airplane?	28 Aug 2004 10:48:03 AM

wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote in news:4130a42e$0$169
$811e409b@news.mylinuxisp.com:

Eris wrote:

I notice it wasn't one of his hobbies after he "left" the
National Guard unit.

Actually, it was and he was dangerous at it.

Check www.awolbush.com for details.
Luckily after having a close call with a Cessna
full of people he gave up joy riding in aircraft
fairly quickly.

http://www.nationalreview.com/flashback/york200408261025.asp
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
.

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