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"Being Human" |
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23 Jan 2008 02:52:57 PM |
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Is there still a reason to read the Bible? |
I have been recently participating on discussions on many kinds of atheist
discussion forums and always I have been amazed by the extraordinary level
of knowledge all matters concerning the Bible in the atheist circles.
Atheists and freethinkers at large are in fact often more interested and
knowledgeable in the field of religious thought than many of the adherers of
these faiths.
The reason for this is that the atheists and freethinkers have very often to
really think through this field when they make up their minds in these
matters as grownups. On the other many members of the religious
organizations are there simply because of tradition and they have never
really thought about the whole matter.
This level of knowledge tells however also how many freethinkers still think
that they have to know all the stories in the Bible to be able to discuss
them.
This shows that even for an atheist or freethinker it is often very
difficult to put Bible in its proper place. It is easy to forget that the
New Testament is in the end just a collection of stories and texts whose
only purpose is to propagate a new faith to a maximal effect.
The Old Testament on the other hand is literary collection of old Jewish and
middle-eastern folklore, fables, poems, old sayings, wise words and most of
all historical tradition that had been travelling for generations from mouth
to mouth and lost almost all of its value as a historical document on the
way.
We are in such a happy situation that in the modern society you can manage
quite well without knowing these old stories at all. They have no more real
value as the very similar collections of texts put together by the followers
of Buddha of Confucius. Nobody is expecting that we would know the contents
of these old books either.
In the modern secular society you get quite well along without knowing the
thoughts of the founders of the Christian faith at all. Even many of those
who are against the organized religions have however a notion that one must
know the holy books of the Christian faith by hart because you have to be
able to discuss them when an occasion arises.
The Bible was after all a collection of texts made in very different social
and cultural circumstances. It was an early and unsuccessful attempt to
grasp the meaning of the world as it was seen in those days when there was
no real knowledge available of the world and its workings.
Its stories are undoubtedly the best explanations the people of that time
had at hand. These books had also some then usable models of conduct and
morals for that long gone model of society.
The true value of these explanations and morals has steadily diminished and
finally almost wholly disappeared with time as societies have changed and
evolved and we have now got a lot of real information of the world through
the science.
When you realize this, you understand also that the position of these very
old books is based solely on that there is still people who think these
books can still be bases for the life in our quite different society over
2000 years later.
There is no need to discuss the value of any of its individual stories
especially when you realize that the New Testament is a statement made by
people who had a glowing belief in an ideology and who tried to convince all
others of the value and power of this new ideology.
Knowing the stories of the bible can be reasoned anymore on the basis of the
general knowledge. Even this comes handy more and more in the field of the
cultural history as the modern culture has lost almost all connections with
this book. Things very different quite recently when belief-systems based on
this old book held sway in our societies.
http://beinghuman.blogs.fi
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Is there still a reason to read the Bible? |
23 Jan 2008 06:34:19 PM |
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" Is there still a reason to read the Bible?"
As has been pointed out, not much of Western literature would make
sense without a working knowledge of the bible.
It is worth reading it just to understand Shakespeare's plays, let
alone any other reason.
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| User: "Apostate" |
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| Title: Re: Is there still a reason to read the Bible? |
23 Jan 2008 07:08:53 PM |
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:04:19 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
" Is there still a reason to read the Bible?"
As has been pointed out, not much of Western literature would make
sense without a working knowledge of the bible.
It is worth reading it just to understand Shakespeare's plays, let
alone any other reason.
I'd say read the Cliff notes for that.
The bible is some of the worst writing I know in English, as well as being full of
disturbing, largely violent but also plain ole fuckheaded attitudes and blowhardiness.
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| User: "snex" |
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| Title: Re: Is there still a reason to read the Bible? |
23 Jan 2008 07:11:37 PM |
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On Jan 23, 7:08 pm, Apostate <godless.bast...@yeehaw.org.invalid>
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:04:19 +1030, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
" Is there still a reason to read the Bible?"
As has been pointed out, not much of Western literature would make
sense without a working knowledge of the bible.
It is worth reading it just to understand Shakespeare's plays, let
alone any other reason.
I'd say read the Cliff notes for that.
typical anti-education attitude that is the very reason creationists
are able to subvert culture.
do you know why i am an atheist? its BECAUSE i read the bible. why do
you think the catholic church forbade reading it for so long?
The bible is some of the worst writing I know in English, as well as being full of
disturbing, largely violent but also plain ole fuckheaded attitudes and blowhardiness.
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| User: "Apostate" |
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| Title: Re: Is there still a reason to read the Bible? |
23 Jan 2008 09:41:54 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:11:37 -0800 (PST), snex <xens@comcast.net> wrote:
On Jan 23, 7:08 pm, Apostate <godless.bast...@yeehaw.org.invalid>
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:04:19 +1030, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
" Is there still a reason to read the Bible?"
As has been pointed out, not much of Western literature would make
sense without a working knowledge of the bible.
It is worth reading it just to understand Shakespeare's plays, let
alone any other reason.
I'd say read the Cliff notes for that.
typical anti-education attitude that is the very reason creationists
are able to subvert culture.
Horseshit.
I couldn't have the opinion I do if I hadn't read the damnable piece of *****.
When I was taking course-work in sciences, where much of the material was in journals,
written by folks with only the barest English literacy, I plodded on through horrific
writing because there was an educational purpose to be served *that I'd signed on for*.
All of the *religion* distilled from the Bible was pounded into me through twelve years
of schooling. I don't need to suffer through that abominable tome of bad writing to be
informed on the subject of gods. I think perhaps you're coming from the "it was done to me,
and now Imagonna do it to you" school.
BTW, for someone with such a gung-ho! pro-education agenda, you appear not to value
the basic rules of writing literacy highly. No wonder maroons are subverting the culture.
do you know why i am an atheist?
Don't care. Be a $cientologist, for all of me.
its BECAUSE i read the bible.
Well, that settles it. I'm an impostor, not an atheist at all. Nope, a superstitious fundy
twit who's learned to follow atheists around and dress like them.
why do
you think the catholic church forbade reading it for so long?
Doesn't matter to me, because in my lifetime, my Catholic school held Bible classes, where we
read what they wanted us to, but still had every opportunity to read the rest. And being
Catholic to the fucking hilt, my family, of course, had its own Bible, just in case the school
one was expurgated. And, again, in my lifetime, no priest or hierarch ever uttered any
discouragement from reading the Bible, so I'm not all that exercised over the ancient
history on that subject.
All of which is really secondary to me, because do you know why *I'm* an atheist? (no reason
you should.) Because the only intellectual ammunition the Catholic school ever had to convince
me that gods were necessary to explain anything was the origin of the universe, which, by the
time I started reading Scientific American, was susceptible to a more parsimonious explanation.
After that, I examined everything that tended to keep me a Catholic against everything I knew
from external sources, and in the space of about four or five years, I realized there wasn't
anything more compelling than Santa Claus about the religion I'd grown up with, OR any of its
first-cousins, OR any other competing religious ideas I'd encountered. I read quite a bit
along the way, and ALL of it was better reading than the fucking bible.
There is more than one true path to waking the ***** up.
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| User: "Don Martin" |
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24 Jan 2008 06:24:40 AM |
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:08:53 -0500, Apostate
<godless.*****@yeehaw.org.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:04:19 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
" Is there still a reason to read the Bible?"
As has been pointed out, not much of Western literature would make
sense without a working knowledge of the bible.
It is worth reading it just to understand Shakespeare's plays, let
alone any other reason.
I'd say read the Cliff notes for that.
Cliff's notes on anything is an abomination in the face of the literature.
The bible is some of the worst writing I know in English, as well as being full of
disturbing, largely violent but also plain ole fuckheaded attitudes and blowhardiness.
While all of this may be true, it is also one of the most quoted and alluded to
works in existence. You may not like the Jacobean prose of the KJV, but it has
had an enormous impact on the thinking and writing of the English-speaking world
and deserves to be read in its own right. When each reader discovers for him- or
herself its fuckheaded *****, they will be better prepared to deal with it
both in the lit and on the street.
aa #2278 If you can't be a dirty old man, what is the point of being an old man?
Through a jaundiced eye darkly--rheum with a view.
The Squeeky Wheel http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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25 Jan 2008 03:20:29 AM |
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:24:40 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:08:53 -0500, Apostate
<godless.*****@yeehaw.org.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:04:19 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
" Is there still a reason to read the Bible?"
As has been pointed out, not much of Western literature would make
sense without a working knowledge of the bible.
It is worth reading it just to understand Shakespeare's plays, let
alone any other reason.
I'd say read the Cliff notes for that.
Cliff's notes on anything is an abomination in the face of the literature.
The bible is some of the worst writing I know in English, as well as being full of
disturbing, largely violent but also plain ole fuckheaded attitudes and blowhardiness.
While all of this may be true, it is also one of the most quoted and alluded to
works in existence. You may not like the Jacobean prose of the KJV, but it has
had an enormous impact on the thinking and writing of the English-speaking world
and deserves to be read in its own right. When each reader discovers for him- or
herself its fuckheaded *****, they will be better prepared to deal with it
both in the lit and on the street.
Well said, sir.
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| User: "Don Martin" |
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25 Jan 2008 08:32:50 AM |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:50:29 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:24:40 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:08:53 -0500, Apostate
<godless.*****@yeehaw.org.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:04:19 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
" Is there still a reason to read the Bible?"
As has been pointed out, not much of Western literature would make
sense without a working knowledge of the bible.
It is worth reading it just to understand Shakespeare's plays, let
alone any other reason.
I'd say read the Cliff notes for that.
Cliff's notes on anything is an abomination in the face of the literature.
The bible is some of the worst writing I know in English, as well as being full of
disturbing, largely violent but also plain ole fuckheaded attitudes and blowhardiness.
While all of this may be true, it is also one of the most quoted and alluded to
works in existence. You may not like the Jacobean prose of the KJV, but it has
had an enormous impact on the thinking and writing of the English-speaking world
and deserves to be read in its own right. When each reader discovers for him- or
herself its fuckheaded *****, they will be better prepared to deal with it
both in the lit and on the street.
Well said, sir.
Thankew!
May I style myself "Defender of the Faith" now?
aa #2278 If you can't be a dirty old man, what is the point of being an old man?
Through a jaundiced eye darkly--rheum with a view.
The Squeeky Wheel http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Is there still a reason to read the Bible? |
25 Jan 2008 05:09:12 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:32:50 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:50:29 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:24:40 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:08:53 -0500, Apostate
<godless.*****@yeehaw.org.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:04:19 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
" Is there still a reason to read the Bible?"
As has been pointed out, not much of Western literature would make
sense without a working knowledge of the bible.
It is worth reading it just to understand Shakespeare's plays, let
alone any other reason.
I'd say read the Cliff notes for that.
Cliff's notes on anything is an abomination in the face of the literature.
The bible is some of the worst writing I know in English, as well as being full of
disturbing, largely violent but also plain ole fuckheaded attitudes and blowhardiness.
While all of this may be true, it is also one of the most quoted and alluded to
works in existence. You may not like the Jacobean prose of the KJV, but it has
had an enormous impact on the thinking and writing of the English-speaking world
and deserves to be read in its own right. When each reader discovers for him- or
herself its fuckheaded *****, they will be better prepared to deal with it
both in the lit and on the street.
Well said, sir.
Thankew!
May I style myself "Defender of the Faith" now?
It looks more impressive in Latin.
I dub thee: Fidei defensor!
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| User: "Don Martin" |
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25 Jan 2008 07:25:30 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:39:12 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:32:50 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:50:29 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:24:40 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:08:53 -0500, Apostate
<godless.*****@yeehaw.org.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:04:19 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
" Is there still a reason to read the Bible?"
As has been pointed out, not much of Western literature would make
sense without a working knowledge of the bible.
It is worth reading it just to understand Shakespeare's plays, let
alone any other reason.
I'd say read the Cliff notes for that.
Cliff's notes on anything is an abomination in the face of the literature.
The bible is some of the worst writing I know in English, as well as being full of
disturbing, largely violent but also plain ole fuckheaded attitudes and blowhardiness.
While all of this may be true, it is also one of the most quoted and alluded to
works in existence. You may not like the Jacobean prose of the KJV, but it has
had an enormous impact on the thinking and writing of the English-speaking world
and deserves to be read in its own right. When each reader discovers for him- or
herself its fuckheaded *****, they will be better prepared to deal with it
both in the lit and on the street.
Well said, sir.
Thankew!
May I style myself "Defender of the Faith" now?
It looks more impressive in Latin.
I dub thee: Fidei defensor!
Oh goody! Wait 'til I tell the kids!!
aa #2278 If you can't be a dirty old man, what is the point of being an old man?
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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25 Jan 2008 11:04:46 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:25:30 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:39:12 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:32:50 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:50:29 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:24:40 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:08:53 -0500, Apostate
<godless.*****@yeehaw.org.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:04:19 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
" Is there still a reason to read the Bible?"
As has been pointed out, not much of Western literature would make
sense without a working knowledge of the bible.
It is worth reading it just to understand Shakespeare's plays, let
alone any other reason.
I'd say read the Cliff notes for that.
Cliff's notes on anything is an abomination in the face of the literature.
The bible is some of the worst writing I know in English, as well as being full of
disturbing, largely violent but also plain ole fuckheaded attitudes and blowhardiness.
While all of this may be true, it is also one of the most quoted and alluded to
works in existence. You may not like the Jacobean prose of the KJV, but it has
had an enormous impact on the thinking and writing of the English-speaking world
and deserves to be read in its own right. When each reader discovers for him- or
herself its fuckheaded *****, they will be better prepared to deal with it
both in the lit and on the street.
Well said, sir.
Thankew!
May I style myself "Defender of the Faith" now?
It looks more impressive in Latin.
I dub thee: Fidei defensor!
Oh goody! Wait 'til I tell the kids!!
Goats can't understand Latin.
Heaving knows I have tried to drill it into them.
(That did not come across all that well.)
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| User: "Don Martin" |
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26 Jan 2008 08:10:40 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:34:46 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:25:30 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:39:12 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:32:50 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:50:29 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:24:40 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:08:53 -0500, Apostate
<godless.*****@yeehaw.org.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:04:19 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
" Is there still a reason to read the Bible?"
As has been pointed out, not much of Western literature would make
sense without a working knowledge of the bible.
It is worth reading it just to understand Shakespeare's plays, let
alone any other reason.
I'd say read the Cliff notes for that.
Cliff's notes on anything is an abomination in the face of the literature.
The bible is some of the worst writing I know in English, as well as being full of
disturbing, largely violent but also plain ole fuckheaded attitudes and blowhardiness.
While all of this may be true, it is also one of the most quoted and alluded to
works in existence. You may not like the Jacobean prose of the KJV, but it has
had an enormous impact on the thinking and writing of the English-speaking world
and deserves to be read in its own right. When each reader discovers for him- or
herself its fuckheaded *****, they will be better prepared to deal with it
both in the lit and on the street.
Well said, sir.
Thankew!
May I style myself "Defender of the Faith" now?
It looks more impressive in Latin.
I dub thee: Fidei defensor!
Oh goody! Wait 'til I tell the kids!!
Goats can't understand Latin.
Heaving knows I have tried to drill it into them.
(That did not come across all that well.)
Could you show me on the doll where you put your drill?
aa #2278 If you can't be a dirty old man, what is the point of being an old man?
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Is there still a reason to read the Bible? |
26 Jan 2008 04:58:29 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:10:40 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:34:46 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:25:30 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:39:12 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:32:50 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:50:29 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:24:40 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:08:53 -0500, Apostate
<godless.*****@yeehaw.org.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:04:19 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
" Is there still a reason to read the Bible?"
As has been pointed out, not much of Western literature would make
sense without a working knowledge of the bible.
It is worth reading it just to understand Shakespeare's plays, let
alone any other reason.
I'd say read the Cliff notes for that.
Cliff's notes on anything is an abomination in the face of the literature.
The bible is some of the worst writing I know in English, as well as being full of
disturbing, largely violent but also plain ole fuckheaded attitudes and blowhardiness.
While all of this may be true, it is also one of the most quoted and alluded to
works in existence. You may not like the Jacobean prose of the KJV, but it has
had an enormous impact on the thinking and writing of the English-speaking world
and deserves to be read in its own right. When each reader discovers for him- or
herself its fuckheaded *****, they will be better prepared to deal with it
both in the lit and on the street.
Well said, sir.
Thankew!
May I style myself "Defender of the Faith" now?
It looks more impressive in Latin.
I dub thee: Fidei defensor!
Oh goody! Wait 'til I tell the kids!!
Goats can't understand Latin.
Heaving knows I have tried to drill it into them.
(That did not come across all that well.)
Could you show me on the doll where you put your drill?
But that's a "Chucky" doll!
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| User: "Don Martin" |
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| Title: Re: Is there still a reason to read the Bible? |
26 Jan 2008 07:51:05 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 09:28:29 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:10:40 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:34:46 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:25:30 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:39:12 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:32:50 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:50:29 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:24:40 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:08:53 -0500, Apostate
<godless.*****@yeehaw.org.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:04:19 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
" Is there still a reason to read the Bible?"
As has been pointed out, not much of Western literature would make
sense without a working knowledge of the bible.
It is worth reading it just to understand Shakespeare's plays, let
alone any other reason.
I'd say read the Cliff notes for that.
Cliff's notes on anything is an abomination in the face of the literature.
The bible is some of the worst writing I know in English, as well as being full of
disturbing, largely violent but also plain ole fuckheaded attitudes and blowhardiness.
While all of this may be true, it is also one of the most quoted and alluded to
works in existence. You may not like the Jacobean prose of the KJV, but it has
had an enormous impact on the thinking and writing of the English-speaking world
and deserves to be read in its own right. When each reader discovers for him- or
herself its fuckheaded *****, they will be better prepared to deal with it
both in the lit and on the street.
Well said, sir.
Thankew!
May I style myself "Defender of the Faith" now?
It looks more impressive in Latin.
I dub thee: Fidei defensor!
Oh goody! Wait 'til I tell the kids!!
Goats can't understand Latin.
Heaving knows I have tried to drill it into them.
(That did not come across all that well.)
Could you show me on the doll where you put your drill?
But that's a "Chucky" doll!
His agent is the one who brought the complaint.
aa #2278 If you can't be a dirty old man, what is the point of being an old man?
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
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26 Jan 2008 11:21:27 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:51:05 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 09:28:29 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:10:40 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:34:46 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:25:30 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:39:12 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:32:50 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:50:29 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:24:40 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:08:53 -0500, Apostate
<godless.*****@yeehaw.org.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:04:19 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
" Is there still a reason to read the Bible?"
As has been pointed out, not much of Western literature would make
sense without a working knowledge of the bible.
It is worth reading it just to understand Shakespeare's plays, let
alone any other reason.
I'd say read the Cliff notes for that.
Cliff's notes on anything is an abomination in the face of the literature.
The bible is some of the worst writing I know in English, as well as being full of
disturbing, largely violent but also plain ole fuckheaded attitudes and blowhardiness.
While all of this may be true, it is also one of the most quoted and alluded to
works in existence. You may not like the Jacobean prose of the KJV, but it has
had an enormous impact on the thinking and writing of the English-speaking world
and deserves to be read in its own right. When each reader discovers for him- or
herself its fuckheaded *****, they will be better prepared to deal with it
both in the lit and on the street.
Well said, sir.
Thankew!
May I style myself "Defender of the Faith" now?
It looks more impressive in Latin.
I dub thee: Fidei defensor!
Oh goody! Wait 'til I tell the kids!!
Goats can't understand Latin.
Heaving knows I have tried to drill it into them.
(That did not come across all that well.)
Could you show me on the doll where you put your drill?
But that's a "Chucky" doll!
His agent is the one who brought the complaint.
Chucky has an agent, already?
Does he/she get 10% of the damaged voodoo flesh?
Where can I sign on?
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27 Jan 2008 06:36:33 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:51:27 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:51:05 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 09:28:29 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:10:40 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:34:46 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:25:30 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:39:12 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:32:50 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:50:29 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:24:40 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:08:53 -0500, Apostate
<godless.*****@yeehaw.org.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:04:19 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
" Is there still a reason to read the Bible?"
As has been pointed out, not much of Western literature would make
sense without a working knowledge of the bible.
It is worth reading it just to understand Shakespeare's plays, let
alone any other reason.
I'd say read the Cliff notes for that.
Cliff's notes on anything is an abomination in the face of the literature.
The bible is some of the worst writing I know in English, as well as being full of
disturbing, largely violent but also plain ole fuckheaded attitudes and blowhardiness.
While all of this may be true, it is also one of the most quoted and alluded to
works in existence. You may not like the Jacobean prose of the KJV, but it has
had an enormous impact on the thinking and writing of the English-speaking world
and deserves to be read in its own right. When each reader discovers for him- or
herself its fuckheaded *****, they will be better prepared to deal with it
both in the lit and on the street.
Well said, sir.
Thankew!
May I style myself "Defender of the Faith" now?
It looks more impressive in Latin.
I dub thee: Fidei defensor!
Oh goody! Wait 'til I tell the kids!!
Goats can't understand Latin.
Heaving knows I have tried to drill it into them.
(That did not come across all that well.)
Could you show me on the doll where you put your drill?
But that's a "Chucky" doll!
His agent is the one who brought the complaint.
Chucky has an agent, already?
Isn't he a movie star, Dollink?
Does he/she get 10% of the damaged voodoo flesh?
Depends on the contract; while most agents are blood suckers, they generally
insist on cash.
Where can I sign on?
Find someone gullible with aspirations of stardom and manipulate them into
signing up. I would suggest a performing christian.
aa #2278 If you can't be a dirty old man, what is the point of being an old man?
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
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27 Jan 2008 06:40:13 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 07:36:33 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:51:27 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:51:05 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 09:28:29 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:10:40 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:34:46 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:25:30 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:39:12 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:32:50 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:50:29 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:24:40 -0500, Don Martin
<drdonmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:08:53 -0500, Apostate
<godless.*****@yeehaw.org.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:04:19 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
" Is there still a reason to read the Bible?"
As has been pointed out, not much of Western literature would make
sense without a working knowledge of the bible.
It is worth reading it just to understand Shakespeare's plays, let
alone any other reason.
I'd say read the Cliff notes for that.
Cliff's notes on anything is an abomination in the face of the literature.
The bible is some of the worst writing I know in English, as well as being full of
disturbing, largely violent but also plain ole fuckheaded attitudes and blowhardiness.
While all of this may be true, it is also one of the most quoted and alluded to
works in existence. You may not like the Jacobean prose of the KJV, but it has
had an enormous impact on the thinking and writing of the English-speaking world
and deserves to be read in its own right. When each reader discovers for him- or
herself its fuckheaded *****, they will be better prepared to deal with it
both in the lit and on the street.
Well said, sir.
Thankew!
May I style myself "Defender of the Faith" now?
It looks more impressive in Latin.
I dub thee: Fidei defensor!
Oh goody! Wait 'til I tell the kids!!
Goats can't understand Latin.
Heaving knows I have tried to drill it into them.
(That did not come across all that well.)
Could you show me on the doll where you put your drill?
But that's a "Chucky" doll!
His agent is the one who brought the complaint.
Chucky has an agent, already?
Isn't he a movie star, Dollink?
Does he/she get 10% of the damaged voodoo flesh?
Depends on the contract; while most agents are blood suckers, they generally
insist on cash.
Where can I sign on?
Find someone gullible with aspirations of stardom and manipulate them into
signing up. I would suggest a performing christian.
Great!
I'll suggest a crucifixion act.
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23 Jan 2008 11:05:22 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:08:53 -0500, Apostate
<godless.*****@yeehaw.org.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:04:19 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
" Is there still a reason to read the Bible?"
As has been pointed out, not much of Western literature would make
sense without a working knowledge of the bible.
It is worth reading it just to understand Shakespeare's plays, let
alone any other reason.
I'd say read the Cliff notes for that.
I can understand that approach, but it is not one for me.
I like to go to the source, rather than rely on someone else's
intepretation.
The bible is some of the worst writing I know in English, as well as being full of
disturbing, largely violent but also plain ole fuckheaded attitudes and blowhardiness.
But you could use that very reason to ignore the holocaust.
It is not a very good reason to not be familiar with the source
documents.
I agree that the bible is vile pornography, but that a reading of it
is essentialy to a rounded historical knowledge.
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02 Feb 2008 02:55:58 PM |
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Most of the religious folk are not too bright. The proof of this is
the fact that they believe. Thus to them is vital to place beliefs
above and beyond truths. Belief is very important to them.
A belief is at a distance from the truth, hence it is a mere belief.
Therefore by sticking to that displaced distance from the truth, one
will never see the truth. Since the truth is complete, and a belief
is less and therefore incomplete, the truth can not fit inside the
belief. Thus the scope of the mind of a believer is to small to allow
truths to enter. Thus they spit in the face of truths.
God supports truth.
Satan supports less than truth, thus lies and deceit.
Thus the religious believers spit in the face of God, and thus support
Satan.
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03 Feb 2008 06:35:49 AM |
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On Feb 2, 2:55=A0pm, TruthCheck <flopp...@idirect.com> wrote:
Most of the religious folk are not too bright. =A0The proof of this is
the fact that they believe. =A0Thus to them is vital to place beliefs
above and beyond truths. Belief is very important to them.
Show me some support, any support, for there being NO GOD.
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03 Feb 2008 12:31:45 PM |
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|> Most of the religious folk are not too bright. The proof of this is
|> the fact that they believe. Thus to them is vital to place beliefs
|> above and beyond truths. Belief is very important to them.
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| Show me some support, any support, for there being NO GOD.
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Ignorance, thy name is Earl Weber.
You've been told this before ***** for brains, you can't PROVE a negative.
You claim there is a god, then it is up to you to support that claim.
You have failed, and lied about that failure for years. So, as far as
the folks in alt.atheism are concerned, you are nothing more then a twit
that entertains when poked in the eye with a stick.
- --
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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A.A #1143 http://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology/
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03 Feb 2008 03:51:26 PM |
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On Feb 3, 12:31=A0pm, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylo...@getnet.net>
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|> Most of the religious folk are not too bright. =A0The proof of this is
|> the fact that they believe. =A0Thus to them is vital to place beliefs
|> above and beyond truths. Belief is very important to them.
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| Show me some support, any support, for there being NO GOD.
Ignorance, thy name is Earl Weber.
Intelligence. My name is duke.
You've been told this before ***** for brains, you can't PROVE a negative.
God is not a negative.
You claim there is a god, then it is up to you to support that claim.
You refuse to listen.
You have failed, and lied about that failure for years. =A0So, as far as
the folks in alt.atheism are concerned, you are nothing more then a twit
that entertains when poked in the eye with a stick.
Now, now, rev, you know good and well you don't know what you're
talking about.
You're just another joke in aa.
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03 Feb 2008 06:25:09 PM |
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|> | On Feb 2, 2:55 pm, TruthCheck <flopp...@idirect.com> wrote:
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|> |> Most of the religious folk are not too bright. The proof of this is
|> |> the fact that they believe. Thus to them is vital to place beliefs
|> |> above and beyond truths. Belief is very important to them.
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|> | Show me some support, any support, for there being NO GOD.
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|> Ignorance, thy name is Earl Weber.
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| Intelligence. My name is duke.
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Well, since there ain't no duke here, I guess you still have to fill the
role of the ignorant one.
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|> You've been told this before ***** for brains, you can't PROVE a negative.
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| God is not a negative.
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You really are this stupid. Gad, how do you remember to breath through
out the day?
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|> You claim there is a god, then it is up to you to support that claim.
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| You refuse to listen.
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You have written nothing worth listening to. You never will, you don't
have the brains for it.
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|> You have failed, and lied about that failure for years. So, as far as
|> the folks in alt.atheism are concerned, you are nothing more then a twit
|> that entertains when poked in the eye with a stick.
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| Now, now, rev, you know good and well you don't know what you're
| talking about.
| You're just another joke in aa.
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Which is why I can get the whole news group, laughing at you and your
ignorant postings.
You're the joke here Earl and you're too fucking stupid to realize it.
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There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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A.A #1143 http://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology/
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25 Jan 2008 09:14:26 AM |
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On 23 jan, 21:52, "Being Human" <bittitoht...@bittitohtori.com> wrote:
I have been recently participating on discussions on many kinds of atheist
discussion forums and always I have been amazed by the extraordinary level
of knowledge all matters concerning the Bible in the atheist circles.
Atheists and freethinkers at large are in fact often more interested and
knowledgeable in the field of religious thought than many of the adherers of
these faiths.
The reason for this is that the atheists and freethinkers have very often to
really think through this field when they make up their minds in these
matters as grownups. On the other many members of the religious
organizations are there simply because of tradition and they have never
really thought about the whole matter.
This level of knowledge tells however also how many freethinkers still think
that they have to know all the stories in the Bible to be able to discuss
them.
This shows that even for an atheist or freethinker it is often very
difficult to put Bible in its proper place. It is easy to forget that the
New Testament is in the end just a collection of stories and texts whose
only purpose is to propagate a new faith to a maximal effect.
The Old Testament on the other hand is literary collection of old Jewish and
middle-eastern folklore, fables, poems, old sayings, wise words and most of
all historical tradition that had been travelling for generations from mouth
to mouth and lost almost all of its value as a historical document on the
way.
We are in such a happy situation that in the modern society you can manage
quite well without knowing these old stories at all. They have no more real
value as the very similar collections of texts put together by the followers
of Buddha of Confucius. Nobody is expecting that we would know the contents
of these old books either.
In the modern secular society you get quite well along without knowing the
thoughts of the founders of the Christian faith at all. Even many of those
who are against the organized religions have however a notion that one must
know the holy books of the Christian faith by hart because you have to be
able to discuss them when an occasion arises.
The Bible was after all a collection of texts made in very different social
and cultural circumstances. It was an early and unsuccessful attempt to
grasp the meaning of the world as it was seen in those days when there was
no real knowledge available of the world and its workings.
Its stories are undoubtedly the best explanations the people of that time
had at hand. These books had also some then usable models of conduct and
morals for that long gone model of society.
The true value of these explanations and morals has steadily diminished and
finally almost wholly disappeared with time as societies have changed and
evolved and we have now got a lot of real information of the world through
the science.
When you realize this, you understand also that the position of these very
old books is based solely on that there is still people who think these
books can still be bases for the life in our quite different society over
2000 years later.
There is no need to discuss the value of any of its individual stories
especially when you realize that the New Testament is a statement made by
people who had a glowing belief in an ideology and who tried to convince all
others of the value and power of this new ideology.
Knowing the stories of the bible can be reasoned anymore on the basis of the
general knowledge. Even this comes handy more and more in the field of the
cultural history as the modern culture has lost almost all connections with
this book. Things very different quite recently when belief-systems based on
this old book held sway in our societies.
http://beinghuman.blogs.fi
The reason why the bible books are still often read, is not a simple
one.
One point in it's favor is that the bible is part of a meme, that
includes printing bibles:)
But why is that meme so popular?
One should not forget that it is the most popular set still around
(about 1/3 of the world's population is a "Christian" of some sort)
There are two components.
One is the (false) promise of eternal life.
The other one is the principle of caring for your fellow human beings.
very striking is the completely different contence of Buddhism
One is the (pointless) promise of the end of rebirth
The other one is the principle of detachment.
I tried to explain the differce of principle to my (Thai) wife,
Buddha says: "You do no need this"
Jesus says: "Other people do!"
At which point she is totally happy.
"You don't need another woman"
And I don't:-) Other people do.
Peter van Velzen Daengprasert
January 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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25 Jan 2008 01:31:49 PM |
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On Jan 25, 9:14=A0am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
wrote:
The reason why the bible books are still often read, is not a simple
one.
Sure it's a simple one. It's God's directions to us, or as some say,
God's love letters.
One point in it's favor is that the bible is part of a meme, that
includes printing bibles:)
But why is that meme so popular?
One should not forget that it is the most popular set still around
(about 1/3 of the world's population is a "Christian" of some sort)
Most popular set of what? That comment makes no sense.
There are two components.
One is the (false) promise of eternal life.
The other one is the principle of caring for your fellow human beings.
Why is it false? One man made the trip.
And I don't:-) Other people do.
We don't need the bible, but you need God.
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26 Jan 2008 09:53:18 AM |
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On 25 jan, 20:31, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 25, 9:14=A0am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
wrote:
The reason why the bible books are still often read, is not a simple
one.
Sure it's a simple one. =A0It's God's directions to us, or as some say,
God's love letters.
One point in it's favor is that the bible is part of a meme, that
includes printing bibles:)
But why is that meme so popular?
One should not forget that it is the most popular set still around
(about 1/3 of the world's population is a "Christian" of some sort)
Most popular set of what? =A0That comment makes no sense.
There are two components.
One is the (false) promise of eternal life.
The other one is the principle of caring for your fellow human beings.
Why is it false? =A0One man made the trip.
And I don't:-) Other people do.
We don't need the bible, but you need God.
You need to learn not to snip related parts of a post.
As for God. I do not know any God.
There seems to be no way I can observe any God.
So I follow Siddharta Gautama's advise,
and do not long for what I can't have.
For your information Christianity is the most populare set of
religious meme's in the present day world. Luckily it contains the
idea of loving your fellow man.
Alas some people (like Daniel C Min, and Andrew B Chung) seem to
forget about it.
Love
Peter van Velzen
January 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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26 Jan 2008 01:40:53 PM |
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On Jan 26, 9:53=A0am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
wrote:
And I don't:-) Other people do.
We don't need the bible, but you need God.
You need to learn not to snip related parts of a post.
I snip that which is no longer relevant.
As for God. I do not know any God.
There seems to be no way I can observe any God.
So I follow Siddharta Gautama's advise,
and do not long for what I can't have.
But, you CAN have God. You just don't care enough.
For your information Christianity is the most populare set of
religious meme's in the present day world. Luckily it contains the
idea of loving your fellow man.
Yes, a staggering new concept first introduced by Jesus Christ in John
13:34, a brand new command.
Alas some people (like Daniel C Min, and Andrew B Chung) seem to
forget about it.
They're probably being pushed hard by you.
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23 Jan 2008 03:41:15 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:52:57 +0200, Being Human <bittitohtori@bittitohtori.com> wrote:
I have been recently participating on discussions on many kinds of atheist
discussion forums and always I have been amazed by the extraordinary level
of knowledge all matters concerning the Bible in the atheist circles.
Atheists and freethinkers at large are in fact often more interested and
knowledgeable in the field of religious thought than many of the adherers of
these faiths.
....
It may be useful for understanding the mindset of savages of two to five
thousand years ago, but that's about all it is good for.
The bible is certainly no basis for behavior in today's society.
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| Title: Re: Is there still a reason to read the Bible? |
23 Jan 2008 04:06:08 PM |
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On Jan 23, 3:41 pm, AZ Nomad <aznoma...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:52:57 +0200, Being Human <bittitoht...@bittitohtori.com> wrote:
I have been recently participating on discussions on many kinds of atheist
discussion forums and always I have been amazed by the extraordinary level
of knowledge all matters concerning the Bible in the atheist circles.
Atheists and freethinkers at large are in fact often more interested and
knowledgeable in the field of religious thought than many of the adherers of
these faiths.
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It may be useful for understanding the mindset of savages of two to five
thousand years ago, but that's about all it is good for.
The bible is certainly no basis for behavior in today's society.
i suppose you feel the same way about greek mythology?
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| User: "Hatter" |
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| Title: Re: Is there still a reason to read the Bible? |
23 Jan 2008 03:57:53 PM |
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On Jan 23, 4:41=A0pm, AZ Nomad <aznoma...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:52:57 +0200, Being Human <bittitoht...@bittitohtori=
..com> wrote:
I have been recently participating on discussions on many kinds of atheis=
t
discussion forums and always I have been amazed by the extraordinary leve=
l
of knowledge all matters concerning the Bible in the atheist circles.
Atheists and freethinkers at large are in fact often more interested and
knowledgeable in the field of religious thought than many of the adherers=
of
these faiths.
...
It may be useful for understanding the mindset of savages of two to five
thousand years ago, but that's about all it is good for.
The bible is certainly no basis for behavior in today's society.
Um, given that it the supposed "guide" for million, I would say it
still has strong influence to current society, and a must for modern
anthropological sociology.
Hatter
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Is there still a reason to read the Bible? |
24 Jan 2008 07:28:45 AM |
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:57:53 -0800 (PST), Hatter <Hatter23@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Jan 23, 4:41 pm, AZ Nomad <aznoma...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:52:57 +0200, Being Human <bittitoht...@bittitohtori.com> wrote:
I have been recently participating on discussions on many kinds of atheist
discussion forums and always I have been amazed by the extraordinary level
of knowledge all matters concerning the Bible in the atheist circles.
Atheists and freethinkers at large are in fact often more interested and
knowledgeable in the field of religious thought than many of the adherers of
these faiths.
...
It may be useful for understanding the mindset of savages of two to five
thousand years ago, but that's about all it is good for.
The bible is certainly no basis for behavior in today's society.
Um, given that it the supposed "guide" for million, I would say it
still has strong influence to current society, and a must for modern
anthropological sociology.
Quite so. But that said, to understand the influence of the Bible on
society one not so much has to read the Bible as read about what
people believe about the Bible.
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