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"Mr. Young" |
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31 Aug 2006 12:33:48 AM |
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Is this Gay Behavior Sick? |
http://www.savethemales.ca/201101.html
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
Imagine that an organism is sick. Imagine that the sick cells convince the
organism that they were healthy, and in fact, the healthy cells are sick.
The gullible organism would just get sicker and sicker.
This is the relationship between society and homosexuals today. Gays argue
that same-sex behavior is no different than being left-handed. On the other
hand, they say heterosexual behavior is not natural, but socially
conditioned and "oppressive." Heterosexual society and family are taking
heavy casualties. Our stupid, opportunistic and craven leaders have betrayed
us. We don't even know we are at war.
Let's decide whom, in fact, is sick.
Let's look at gay behavior as defined by two gays, Marshall Kirk and Hunter
Madsen Ph.D., authors of "After the Ball: How America will Conquer its Fear
and Hatred of Gays in the 90's"(1989).
In Chapter Six, they outline "ten categories of misbehavior," drawn from
their own experiences, wide reading and thousands of hours of conversation
with hundreds of other gays. Their contention is that the gay lifestyle,
(not gay sexuality mind you), "is the pits." They want gays to improve their
image by addressing "what is wrong with a lot of gays." (276)
What follows are some highlights. As you read this, ask yourself if there is
another human community, including the Mafia that could make these
generalizations about itself. Ask yourself if we haven't caught this
disease, or at least the sniffles.
a.. The authors say "a surprisingly high percentage" of pathological liars
and con men are gay. This results from a natural habit of self-concealment,
and leads to a stubborn self-deception about one's own gayness and its
implication.
b.. They say gays tend to reject all forms of morality and value
judgments. Gay morality boils down to "I can do whatever I want and you can
go to perdition. (If it feels good, I'll do it!)" If a gay feels like
seducing a trusted friend's lover, he'll do it, justifying it as an act of
"sexual freedom" and the friend be damned.
c.. They say gays suffer from a "narcissistic" personality disorder and
give this clinical description: "pathological self absorption, a need for
constant attention and admiration, lack of empathy or concern for others,
quickly bored, shallow, interested in fads, seductive, overemphasis on
appearance, superficially charming, promiscuous, exploitative, preoccupied
with remaining youthful, relationships alternate between over idealization
and devaluation."
d.. As an example of this narcissism, the authors say "a very sizable
proportion of gay men" who have been diagnosed HIV positive continue to have
unprotected sex.
e.. They say the majority of gays are extremely promiscuous and
self-indulgent. They must continuously up the ante to achieve arousal. This
begins with alcohol and drugs and includes such "forbidden" aspects of sex
as wallowing in filth (fetishism and coprophilia) and sadomasochism, which
involves violence.
f.. They say many gays indulge in sex in public bathrooms and think it is
antigay harassment when it is stopped. Many think they have a right to
importune straight males, including children.
g.. Many gays are "single minded sexual predators" fixated on youth and
physical beauty alone. When it comes to the old or ugly, gays are "the real
queerbashers." Disillusioned themselves, they are cynical about love.
h.. "Relationships between gay men don't usually last very long." They
quickly tire of their partners and fall victim to temptation. The "cheating
ratio of 'married' gay males, given enough time, approaches 100%."
i.. Even friendships are based on the sexual test and hard to sustain.
Unattractive gay men find it nearly impossible to find a friend, let alone a
lover.
j.. The authors say gays tend to deny reality in various ways: wishful
thinking, paranoia, illogic, emotionalism and embracing crackpot ideas.
Is there any doubt that this behavior is sick? I feel no malice toward gays.
I feel the same way about people who have the flu. I want them to get better
and I don't want it to spread.
Unfortunately, even the authors of this book are deceiving themselves. They
claim that it is the gay lifestyle and NOT gay sexuality that is "the pits."
Who are they kidding? The two are inseparable.
The authors of this book are public relations experts who believe that "our
problem is fundamentally one of bad image with straights."
The book details "a comprehensive public-relations campaign that should go a
long way towards sanitizing our very unsanitary image:"
"Desensitization": flooding straight America with advertising presenting
gays in the "least offensive manner possible."
"Jamming": Advertising that equates fear of gays with hatred of Jews, Blacks
and women.
"Conversion": Presenting images of gays that look like regular folks. "The
image must be the icon of normality."
They say "it makes no difference that the ads are lies" because "we are
using them to...counter negative stereotypes that are every bit as much
lies."
This book was written in 1989 and obviously a campaign similar to this has
taken effect. Read what the authors say about it:
"By Conversion, we mean something far more profoundly threatening to the
American Way of Life [than subversion] ...We mean conversion of the average
American's emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack,
in the form of propaganda fed to the nation via the media. We mean...to turn
their hatred into warm regard whether they like it or not." (153)
Thus gays want Americans to learn that something they naturally and
justifiably regard as sick, is in fact healthy. Thus Americans will be
defenseless to resist their importunities whether in parks, barracks,
bathrooms or classrooms.
It is a measure of the authors' cynicism and self-deception that THEY quote
psychologist M. Scott Peck, who in "People of the Lie" characterizes people
who suffer from extreme or "malignant" narcissism simply as "evil."
Evil people, Peck says, have "an unshakable will to be right and will not
consider the possibility that they are wrong...Their main weapon,
interestingly enough is the lie with which they distort reality to look good
to themselves, and to confuse others." (297)
Gays can continue to fool themselves. But let us stop. Some of these people
are evil. Their behavior is sick. And it's contagious.
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Mr. J Yöung
youngopinions@aol.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? |
31 Aug 2006 11:30:37 AM |
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:33:48 -0400, Mr. Young wrote:
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
The man is a fruitcake Skippy...
"As I have described elsewhere (http://www.savethemales.ca/091101.html)
the Rockefellers have long promoted eugenics and population control. They
funded the fraudulent Kinsey Report that encouraged homosexual behavior.
This led to the media- hyped Hugh Hefner and Helen Gurley Brown who
retailed promiscuity and mocked marriage."
Homosexuality is a KUNSPIRASY!!!! Oooga booga!
Makow's "credentials," by the way, consist of:
"Henry Makow, is the inventor of the board game Scruples, and the author of
A Long Way to go for a Date. He received his Ph.D. in English Literature
from the University of Toronto in 1982 and lives in Winnipeg."
Ooo, he invented a *board* *game!*
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/henry_makow.html
And for a trip to Loonyville:
http://www.whale.to/b/makow_q.html
And:
http://www.whale.to/b/makow.html
Why does it not surprise me you're moving from "crank" territory into full
blown "whackadoo nutcase" land?
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Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? |
31 Aug 2006 11:21:25 AM |
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:33:48 -0400, Mr. Young wrote:
Imagine that an organism is sick.
Yes, you are.
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Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "David Schwartz" |
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| Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? |
31 Aug 2006 07:57:06 AM |
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The problem is that you are using a purely correlational argument. It
goes like this, "A huge fraction of gay people have bad thing X,
therefore being gay is bad. Obviously, if they weren't gay, they'd just
have the normal chances of having these bad traits."
All of your arguments are of this form. Gays are narcissistic, gays are
liars, reject ethics, they're promiscuous and so on. Therefore, being
gay is bad -- a problem.
The problem is, this form of argument is wholly invalid.
As a simple example of why, consider having gray hair. People with gray
hair are more likely to die. They are more likely to have memory
problems, have cancer, and so on.
Does this mean that if they just cut of their hair or dyed their hair,
they would just have the normal changes of having, say, cancer? Does
this mean that we could reduce the incidence of cancer if we could just
somehow wipe out gray hair? Should we combat gray hair instead of
cancer (as you claim we should, for example, combat gayness instead of
narcissism, promiscuity, and so on).
Obviously not, because though there's a strong correlation between gray
hair and risk for diseases predominant in the elderly, there is not a
causal relationship between gray hair and increased risk of alzheimers
or cancer. So "fighting gray hair" won't reduce the incidence of
cancer, just as your evidence does not show that reducing the number of
gay people will reduce the number of con artists or narcissists or
whatever.
In this case, the flaw is common cause. Growing older makes you both
more likely to have gray hair and more likely to have cancer. However,
one can comically use correlational arguments to "show" that the real
problem is gray hair.
Other types of hidden links can cause these same types of arguments to
fail. For example, did you know that people on low salt diets actually
have *higher* blood pressure than people on unrestricted diets. Does
thie mean people with high blood pressure should avoid low salt diets?
Of course not. Again, the correlation is not explained by the low salt
diets causing the higher blood pressure, quite the reverse, the main
reason a person would be on a low-salt diet is because they had high
blood pressure in the first place. So there is causality, but it's
actually in the other direction.
I could go on, but there's really not much point. You simply have
advanced an argument that is not based on a valid foundation. No
argument of the type you are trying to make can work, because
correlation can never establish causality.
DS
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