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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Mr. Young"
Date: 31 Aug 2006 12:33:48 AM
Object: Is this Gay Behavior Sick?
http://www.savethemales.ca/201101.html
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
Imagine that an organism is sick. Imagine that the sick cells convince the
organism that they were healthy, and in fact, the healthy cells are sick.
The gullible organism would just get sicker and sicker.
This is the relationship between society and homosexuals today. Gays argue
that same-sex behavior is no different than being left-handed. On the other
hand, they say heterosexual behavior is not natural, but socially
conditioned and "oppressive." Heterosexual society and family are taking
heavy casualties. Our stupid, opportunistic and craven leaders have betrayed
us. We don't even know we are at war.
Let's decide whom, in fact, is sick.
Let's look at gay behavior as defined by two gays, Marshall Kirk and Hunter
Madsen Ph.D., authors of "After the Ball: How America will Conquer its Fear
and Hatred of Gays in the 90's"(1989).
In Chapter Six, they outline "ten categories of misbehavior," drawn from
their own experiences, wide reading and thousands of hours of conversation
with hundreds of other gays. Their contention is that the gay lifestyle,
(not gay sexuality mind you), "is the pits." They want gays to improve their
image by addressing "what is wrong with a lot of gays." (276)
What follows are some highlights. As you read this, ask yourself if there is
another human community, including the Mafia that could make these
generalizations about itself. Ask yourself if we haven't caught this
disease, or at least the sniffles.
a.. The authors say "a surprisingly high percentage" of pathological liars
and con men are gay. This results from a natural habit of self-concealment,
and leads to a stubborn self-deception about one's own gayness and its
implication.
b.. They say gays tend to reject all forms of morality and value
judgments. Gay morality boils down to "I can do whatever I want and you can
go to perdition. (If it feels good, I'll do it!)" If a gay feels like
seducing a trusted friend's lover, he'll do it, justifying it as an act of
"sexual freedom" and the friend be damned.
c.. They say gays suffer from a "narcissistic" personality disorder and
give this clinical description: "pathological self absorption, a need for
constant attention and admiration, lack of empathy or concern for others,
quickly bored, shallow, interested in fads, seductive, overemphasis on
appearance, superficially charming, promiscuous, exploitative, preoccupied
with remaining youthful, relationships alternate between over idealization
and devaluation."
d.. As an example of this narcissism, the authors say "a very sizable
proportion of gay men" who have been diagnosed HIV positive continue to have
unprotected sex.
e.. They say the majority of gays are extremely promiscuous and
self-indulgent. They must continuously up the ante to achieve arousal. This
begins with alcohol and drugs and includes such "forbidden" aspects of sex
as wallowing in filth (fetishism and coprophilia) and sadomasochism, which
involves violence.
f.. They say many gays indulge in sex in public bathrooms and think it is
antigay harassment when it is stopped. Many think they have a right to
importune straight males, including children.
g.. Many gays are "single minded sexual predators" fixated on youth and
physical beauty alone. When it comes to the old or ugly, gays are "the real
queerbashers." Disillusioned themselves, they are cynical about love.
h.. "Relationships between gay men don't usually last very long." They
quickly tire of their partners and fall victim to temptation. The "cheating
ratio of 'married' gay males, given enough time, approaches 100%."
i.. Even friendships are based on the sexual test and hard to sustain.
Unattractive gay men find it nearly impossible to find a friend, let alone a
lover.
j.. The authors say gays tend to deny reality in various ways: wishful
thinking, paranoia, illogic, emotionalism and embracing crackpot ideas.
Is there any doubt that this behavior is sick? I feel no malice toward gays.
I feel the same way about people who have the flu. I want them to get better
and I don't want it to spread.
Unfortunately, even the authors of this book are deceiving themselves. They
claim that it is the gay lifestyle and NOT gay sexuality that is "the pits."
Who are they kidding? The two are inseparable.
The authors of this book are public relations experts who believe that "our
problem is fundamentally one of bad image with straights."
The book details "a comprehensive public-relations campaign that should go a
long way towards sanitizing our very unsanitary image:"
"Desensitization": flooding straight America with advertising presenting
gays in the "least offensive manner possible."
"Jamming": Advertising that equates fear of gays with hatred of Jews, Blacks
and women.
"Conversion": Presenting images of gays that look like regular folks. "The
image must be the icon of normality."
They say "it makes no difference that the ads are lies" because "we are
using them to...counter negative stereotypes that are every bit as much
lies."
This book was written in 1989 and obviously a campaign similar to this has
taken effect. Read what the authors say about it:
"By Conversion, we mean something far more profoundly threatening to the
American Way of Life [than subversion] ...We mean conversion of the average
American's emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack,
in the form of propaganda fed to the nation via the media. We mean...to turn
their hatred into warm regard whether they like it or not." (153)
Thus gays want Americans to learn that something they naturally and
justifiably regard as sick, is in fact healthy. Thus Americans will be
defenseless to resist their importunities whether in parks, barracks,
bathrooms or classrooms.
It is a measure of the authors' cynicism and self-deception that THEY quote
psychologist M. Scott Peck, who in "People of the Lie" characterizes people
who suffer from extreme or "malignant" narcissism simply as "evil."
Evil people, Peck says, have "an unshakable will to be right and will not
consider the possibility that they are wrong...Their main weapon,
interestingly enough is the lie with which they distort reality to look good
to themselves, and to confuse others." (297)
Gays can continue to fool themselves. But let us stop. Some of these people
are evil. Their behavior is sick. And it's contagious.
--
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Mr. J Yöung
youngopinions@aol.com
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User: "V"

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 31 Aug 2006 06:04:15 AM
"Mr. Young" wrote:

http://www.savethemales.ca/201101.html

By Henry Makow Ph.D.

The author of these conspiracy theory classics:
Confessions of a "Crackpot" by Henry Makow Ph.D
The Illuminati Conspiracy Against God by HENRY MAKOW PhD
'Suiciding' Reporters: Hunter Thompson et al by HENRY MAKOW
[Aug 2004] John Kerry and the Art of Brainwashing By Henry Makow Ph.D.
Americans are Rothschild Proxies in Iraq By Henry Makow Ph.D. (March 14, 2004)
Rothschilds Conduct "Red Symphony" By Henry Makow Ph.D.(November 09, 2003)
Did Rothschild Write The Protocols of Zion ? By Henry Makow Ph.D (September 21,
2003)
Betty Friedan: "Mommy" was a Commie By Henry Makow Ph.D. 2003
Gloria Steinem: How the CIA Used Feminism to Destabilize Society By Henry Makow
Ph.D. 2002
The Devil's Work: Feminism and the Elite Depopulation Agenda By Henry Makow Ph.D
Feb 2002
Feminism, New World Order and Rockefeller's New War By Henry Makow Ph.D. Feb
2002
How I became a Mensch: After Feminism Stole my Identity By Henry Makow Ph.D 2001
The CIA, Homosexuality and Underdevelopment By Henry Makow Ph.D. 2002
Communism & NWO: Wall Street's Utopian Hoax By Henry Makow Ph.D
Banking Cartel is the Cause of Humanity's Woes By Henry Makow Ph.D.
Does a Satanic Cult Rule the World? By Henry Makow Ph.D.
Oh yes Jon, this is a man whose intellect is beyond criticism...not.
--
"I remember how the meaning of words began to change. How unfamiliar words like
"collateral" and "rendition" became frightening....I still don't understand it,
why they hate us so much. ...the first time we kissed I knew I never wanted to
kiss any other lips but hers again... She grew Scarlet Carsons for me in our
window box and our place always smelt of roses. Those were the best years of my
life...for three years I had roses, and apologized to no one"
Valerie, in "V for Vendetta"
.
User: "Curt"

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 31 Aug 2006 01:53:35 PM
"V" <V_@forVendetta.uk> wrote in message
news:44F6C22C.540F04C3@forVendetta.uk...



"Mr. Young" wrote:

http://www.savethemales.ca/201101.html

By Henry Makow Ph.D.


The author of these conspiracy theory classics:
Confessions of a "Crackpot" by Henry Makow Ph.D
The Illuminati Conspiracy Against God by HENRY MAKOW PhD
'Suiciding' Reporters: Hunter Thompson et al by HENRY MAKOW

[Aug 2004] John Kerry and the Art of Brainwashing By Henry Makow Ph.D.

Americans are Rothschild Proxies in Iraq By Henry Makow Ph.D. (March 14,

2004)

Rothschilds Conduct "Red Symphony" By Henry Makow Ph.D.(November 09,

2003)

Did Rothschild Write The Protocols of Zion ? By Henry Makow Ph.D

(September 21,

2003)
Betty Friedan: "Mommy" was a Commie By Henry Makow Ph.D. 2003
Gloria Steinem: How the CIA Used Feminism to Destabilize Society By Henry

Makow

Ph.D. 2002
The Devil's Work: Feminism and the Elite Depopulation Agenda By Henry

Makow Ph.D

Feb 2002
Feminism, New World Order and Rockefeller's New War By Henry Makow Ph.D.

Feb

2002
How I became a Mensch: After Feminism Stole my Identity By Henry Makow

Ph.D 2001


The CIA, Homosexuality and Underdevelopment By Henry Makow Ph.D. 2002


Communism & NWO: Wall Street's Utopian Hoax By Henry Makow Ph.D

Banking Cartel is the Cause of Humanity's Woes By Henry Makow Ph.D.

Does a Satanic Cult Rule the World? By Henry Makow Ph.D.


Oh yes Jon, this is a man whose intellect is beyond criticism...not.

Aaahahahahahahaaha "Did Rothschild Write The Protocols of Zion ? By Henry
Makow Ph.D" ahahahahaaaa
Curt
.
User: "Lobby Dosser"

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 31 Aug 2006 03:19:56 PM
"Curt" <cje@hevanet.com> wrote:


"V" <V_@forVendetta.uk> wrote in message
news:44F6C22C.540F04C3@forVendetta.uk...



"Mr. Young" wrote:

http://www.savethemales.ca/201101.html

By Henry Makow Ph.D.


The author of these conspiracy theory classics:
Confessions of a "Crackpot" by Henry Makow Ph.D
The Illuminati Conspiracy Against God by HENRY MAKOW PhD
'Suiciding' Reporters: Hunter Thompson et al by HENRY MAKOW

[Aug 2004] John Kerry and the Art of Brainwashing By Henry Makow
Ph.D.

Americans are Rothschild Proxies in Iraq By Henry Makow Ph.D. (March
14,

2004)

Rothschilds Conduct "Red Symphony" By Henry Makow Ph.D.(November 09,

2003)

Did Rothschild Write The Protocols of Zion ? By Henry Makow Ph.D

(September 21,

2003)
Betty Friedan: "Mommy" was a Commie By Henry Makow Ph.D. 2003
Gloria Steinem: How the CIA Used Feminism to Destabilize Society By
Henry

Makow

Ph.D. 2002
The Devil's Work: Feminism and the Elite Depopulation Agenda By Henry

Makow Ph.D

Feb 2002
Feminism, New World Order and Rockefeller's New War By Henry Makow
Ph.D.

Feb

2002
How I became a Mensch: After Feminism Stole my Identity By Henry
Makow

Ph.D 2001


The CIA, Homosexuality and Underdevelopment By Henry Makow Ph.D. 2002


Communism & NWO: Wall Street's Utopian Hoax By Henry Makow Ph.D

Banking Cartel is the Cause of Humanity's Woes By Henry Makow Ph.D.

Does a Satanic Cult Rule the World? By Henry Makow Ph.D.


Oh yes Jon, this is a man whose intellect is beyond criticism...not.


Aaahahahahahahaaha "Did Rothschild Write The Protocols of Zion ? By
Henry Makow Ph.D" ahahahahaaaa

You suppose he really wrote this one:
Confessions of a "Crackpot" by Henry Makow Ph.D
??
.
User: "Curt"

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 01 Sep 2006 03:28:08 AM
"Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:MvHJg.9612$nR2.1293@trnddc03...

"Curt" <cje@hevanet.com> wrote:


Aaahahahahahahaaha "Did Rothschild Write The Protocols of Zion ? By
Henry Makow Ph.D" ahahahahaaaa


You suppose he really wrote this one:

Confessions of a "Crackpot" by Henry Makow Ph.D

Probly. It's not worth the ten seconds of googling to find out.
Curt
.

User: "V"

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 31 Aug 2006 05:46:00 PM
Lobby Dosser wrote:

"Curt" <cje@hevanet.com> wrote:


"V" <V_@forVendetta.uk> wrote in message
news:44F6C22C.540F04C3@forVendetta.uk...



"Mr. Young" wrote:

http://www.savethemales.ca/201101.html

By Henry Makow Ph.D.


The author of these conspiracy theory classics:
Confessions of a "Crackpot" by Henry Makow Ph.D
The Illuminati Conspiracy Against God by HENRY MAKOW PhD
'Suiciding' Reporters: Hunter Thompson et al by HENRY MAKOW

[Aug 2004] John Kerry and the Art of Brainwashing By Henry Makow
Ph.D.

Americans are Rothschild Proxies in Iraq By Henry Makow Ph.D. (March
14,

2004)

Rothschilds Conduct "Red Symphony" By Henry Makow Ph.D.(November 09,

2003)

Did Rothschild Write The Protocols of Zion ? By Henry Makow Ph.D

(September 21,

2003)
Betty Friedan: "Mommy" was a Commie By Henry Makow Ph.D. 2003
Gloria Steinem: How the CIA Used Feminism to Destabilize Society By
Henry

Makow

Ph.D. 2002
The Devil's Work: Feminism and the Elite Depopulation Agenda By Henry

Makow Ph.D

Feb 2002
Feminism, New World Order and Rockefeller's New War By Henry Makow
Ph.D.

Feb

2002
How I became a Mensch: After Feminism Stole my Identity By Henry
Makow

Ph.D 2001


The CIA, Homosexuality and Underdevelopment By Henry Makow Ph.D. 2002


Communism & NWO: Wall Street's Utopian Hoax By Henry Makow Ph.D

Banking Cartel is the Cause of Humanity's Woes By Henry Makow Ph.D.

Does a Satanic Cult Rule the World? By Henry Makow Ph.D.


Oh yes Jon, this is a man whose intellect is beyond criticism...not.


Aaahahahahahahaaha "Did Rothschild Write The Protocols of Zion ? By
Henry Makow Ph.D" ahahahahaaaa


You suppose he really wrote this one:

Confessions of a "Crackpot" by Henry Makow Ph.D

He lists it on his own web page.



??

--
"I remember how the meaning of words began to change. How unfamiliar words
like "collateral" and "rendition" became frightening....I still don't
understand it, why they hate us so much. ...the first time we kissed I knew
I never wanted to kiss any other lips but hers again... She grew Scarlet
Carsons for me in our window box and our place always smelt of roses. Those
were the best years of my life...for three years I had roses, and apologized
to no one"
Valerie, in "V for Vendetta"
.
User: "Lobby Dosser"

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 31 Aug 2006 08:02:10 PM
V <V_@forVendetta.uk> wrote:



Lobby Dosser wrote:

"Curt" <cje@hevanet.com> wrote:


"V" <V_@forVendetta.uk> wrote in message
news:44F6C22C.540F04C3@forVendetta.uk...



"Mr. Young" wrote:

http://www.savethemales.ca/201101.html

By Henry Makow Ph.D.


The author of these conspiracy theory classics:
Confessions of a "Crackpot" by Henry Makow Ph.D
The Illuminati Conspiracy Against God by HENRY MAKOW PhD
'Suiciding' Reporters: Hunter Thompson et al by HENRY MAKOW

[Aug 2004] John Kerry and the Art of Brainwashing By Henry Makow
Ph.D.

Americans are Rothschild Proxies in Iraq By Henry Makow Ph.D.
(March 14,

2004)

Rothschilds Conduct "Red Symphony" By Henry Makow Ph.D.(November
09,

2003)

Did Rothschild Write The Protocols of Zion ? By Henry Makow Ph.D

(September 21,

2003)
Betty Friedan: "Mommy" was a Commie By Henry Makow Ph.D. 2003
Gloria Steinem: How the CIA Used Feminism to Destabilize Society
By Henry

Makow

Ph.D. 2002
The Devil's Work: Feminism and the Elite Depopulation Agenda By
Henry

Makow Ph.D

Feb 2002
Feminism, New World Order and Rockefeller's New War By Henry Makow
Ph.D.

Feb

2002
How I became a Mensch: After Feminism Stole my Identity By Henry
Makow

Ph.D 2001


The CIA, Homosexuality and Underdevelopment By Henry Makow Ph.D.
2002


Communism & NWO: Wall Street's Utopian Hoax By Henry Makow Ph.D

Banking Cartel is the Cause of Humanity's Woes By Henry Makow
Ph.D.

Does a Satanic Cult Rule the World? By Henry Makow Ph.D.


Oh yes Jon, this is a man whose intellect is beyond
criticism...not.


Aaahahahahahahaaha "Did Rothschild Write The Protocols of Zion ?
By Henry Makow Ph.D" ahahahahaaaa


You suppose he really wrote this one:

Confessions of a "Crackpot" by Henry Makow Ph.D


He lists it on his own web page.

Well, it's always good when someone knows their own limitations. I guess.
.





User: "gatt"

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 31 Aug 2006 01:35:08 PM
How much time do you spend thinking about homosexuality? Isn't -that-
sick?!
....Fag!
-c
.

User: "Andrealphus"

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 31 Aug 2006 06:25:41 AM
In News Weadnfo-gdeK6GvZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@giganews.com,, Mr. Young at
youngopinions@aol.com, typed this:

http://www.savethemales.ca/201101.html





By Henry Makow Ph.D.








Imagine that an organism is sick. Imagine that the sick cells
convince the organism that they were healthy, and in fact, the
healthy cells are sick. The gullible organism would just get sicker
and sicker.

Yes, I can imagine that... So do you have anything else to say about your
sick religion? What you're describing seems to apply to religion in
general, and Christianity in particular.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. – Thomas Jefferson
.

User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 31 Aug 2006 10:02:43 PM
Mr. Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

http://www.savethemales.ca/201101.html
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
Imagine that an organism is sick. Imagine that the sick cells convince the
organism that they were healthy, and in fact, the healthy cells are sick.
The gullible organism would just get sicker and sicker.

And there is an anaology for the sickness that is anti-gay bigotrty
and hatred.

This is the relationship between society and homosexuals today. Gays argue
that same-sex behavior is no different than being left-handed. On the other

Hatred is sickness. Hatred kills.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 01 Sep 2006 11:33:48 AM
I agree with your attitude against gay bigorty from the closet cases,
but I must respectfully disagree with your attitude on hatred. Hate is
part of love, two sides of the same coin, and the best example is that
by being so against hate you are being hateful. Hate CAN be good. Life
is complicated and mysterious. Sometimes to love something means to
hate. Love can be bad, also, like if you're an adult obsessed with
children. Everything is only good or bad based upon context. What
matters is what you hate and why. The homo thing is just closet cases
who feel insecure to put their mild members in the rectum of another
man because they know the second party probably won't notice and it
will be very awkward for them, so their hate should not be directed at
others, but at their small gay dicks and they should buy a pump and
direct their energy towards a more constructive purpose. Maybe they're
just lost in their worlds of Jesus and small dicks that long to smell
like *****, but I hate them anyway.
Ray Fischer wrote:

Mr. Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

http://www.savethemales.ca/201101.html
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
Imagine that an organism is sick. Imagine that the sick cells convince the
organism that they were healthy, and in fact, the healthy cells are sick.
The gullible organism would just get sicker and sicker.


And there is an anaology for the sickness that is anti-gay bigotrty
and hatred.

This is the relationship between society and homosexuals today. Gays argue
that same-sex behavior is no different than being left-handed. On the other


Hatred is sickness. Hatred kills.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

.
User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 02 Sep 2006 12:48:37 AM
<
> wrote:

I agree with your attitude against gay bigorty from the closet cases,
but I must respectfully disagree with your attitude on hatred. Hate is
part of love, two sides of the same coin, and the best example is that
by being so against hate you are being hateful.

Anger is not hate.

Hate CAN be good.

Hate kills.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 02 Sep 2006 10:46:44 AM
Ray Fischer wrote:

thedeviliam@hotmail.com <thedeviliam@hotmail.com> wrote:

I agree with your attitude against gay bigorty from the closet cases,
but I must respectfully disagree with your attitude on hatred. Hate is
part of love, two sides of the same coin, and the best example is that
by being so against hate you are being hateful.


Anger is not hate.

Hate CAN be good.


Hate kills.

Let's start with wordreference.com definitions, just so we can be on
the same page:
hate: "a feeling of dislike so strong it demands action"
or the verb
"dislike intensely; feel antipathy or aversion towards; "I hate Mexican
food"; "She detests politicians"
By the way, you do seem to dislike hate pretty intensely, which by
definition means you must be being hateful towards it which proves my
above point. I assume this is simply because your definition is
different, and you should probably be more clear what it is.
anger: "belligerence aroused by a real or supposed wrong (personified
as one of the deadly sins)"
"a strong emotion; a feeling that is oriented toward some real or
supposed grievance"
they also had some verbal definitions that I'll leave out..."to anger
someone, etc."
and to further clarify above definition:
belligerence: "a disposition to fight", "hostile or warlike attitude or
nature"
Of course hate can kill, or rather, lead one to kill. To say that anger
doesn't kill like hate kills is pretty ridiculous, though. Your
definitions may be different than what we see above may be different,
and that is your right, but you should clarify them for communication
purposes. And you didn't address the fact that love can lead one to
hate, and therefore kill, and therefore love kills through the
individual in the same way hate does. By saying hate is bad because it
can do that you must say love is bad because it can do that, otherwise
we'd be dealing with a contradiction. I think this hate-is-always-bad
jazz is just one of those things that caught on because it sounds good
and was never really thought through.
.




User: "Parsifal"

Title: Re: Is this J Young Sick? 31 Aug 2006 12:43:06 AM
Mr. Young a =E9crit :

http://www.savethemales.ca/201101.html





By Henry Makow Ph.D.








Imagine that an organism is sick. Imagine that the sick cells convince the
organism that they were healthy, and in fact, the healthy cells are sick.
The gullible organism would just get sicker and sicker.

This is the relationship between society and homosexuals today.

So, Mr. Nazi turd, you're back...
Obviously, you didn't take your vacation's time to think about your
pathetic self and try to become a better person, better, to come out of
the closet...
Poor moron...
And BTW, you're the sick one in this society...
.

User: "Larry Scratch"

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 31 Aug 2006 12:39:40 AM
Mr. Young wrote:

http://www.savethemales.ca/201101.html





By Henry Makow Ph.D.








Imagine that an organism is sick. Imagine that the sick cells convince the
organism that they were healthy, and in fact, the healthy cells are sick.
The gullible organism would just get sicker and sicker.

This is the relationship between society and homosexuals today. Gays argue
that same-sex behavior is no different than being left-handed. On the other
hand, they say heterosexual behavior is not natural, but socially
conditioned and "oppressive." Heterosexual society and family are taking
heavy casualties. Our stupid, opportunistic and craven leaders have betrayed
us. We don't even know we are at war.

Let's decide whom, in fact, is sick.

Let's look at gay behavior as defined by two gays, Marshall Kirk and Hunter
Madsen Ph.D., authors of "After the Ball: How America will Conquer its Fear
and Hatred of Gays in the 90's"(1989).

In Chapter Six, they outline "ten categories of misbehavior," drawn from
their own experiences, wide reading and thousands of hours of conversation
with hundreds of other gays. Their contention is that the gay lifestyle,
(not gay sexuality mind you), "is the pits." They want gays to improve their
image by addressing "what is wrong with a lot of gays." (276)

What follows are some highlights. As you read this, ask yourself if there is
another human community, including the Mafia that could make these
generalizations about itself. Ask yourself if we haven't caught this
disease, or at least the sniffles.

a.. The authors say "a surprisingly high percentage" of pathological liars
and con men are gay. This results from a natural habit of self-concealment,
and leads to a stubborn self-deception about one's own gayness and its
implication.


b.. They say gays tend to reject all forms of morality and value
judgments. Gay morality boils down to "I can do whatever I want and you can
go to perdition. (If it feels good, I'll do it!)" If a gay feels like
seducing a trusted friend's lover, he'll do it, justifying it as an act of
"sexual freedom" and the friend be damned.


c.. They say gays suffer from a "narcissistic" personality disorder and
give this clinical description: "pathological self absorption, a need for
constant attention and admiration, lack of empathy or concern for others,
quickly bored, shallow, interested in fads, seductive, overemphasis on
appearance, superficially charming, promiscuous, exploitative, preoccupied
with remaining youthful, relationships alternate between over idealization
and devaluation."


d.. As an example of this narcissism, the authors say "a very sizable
proportion of gay men" who have been diagnosed HIV positive continue to have
unprotected sex.


e.. They say the majority of gays are extremely promiscuous and
self-indulgent. They must continuously up the ante to achieve arousal. This
begins with alcohol and drugs and includes such "forbidden" aspects of sex
as wallowing in filth (fetishism and coprophilia) and sadomasochism, which
involves violence.


f.. They say many gays indulge in sex in public bathrooms and think it is
antigay harassment when it is stopped. Many think they have a right to
importune straight males, including children.


g.. Many gays are "single minded sexual predators" fixated on youth and
physical beauty alone. When it comes to the old or ugly, gays are "the real
queerbashers." Disillusioned themselves, they are cynical about love.


h.. "Relationships between gay men don't usually last very long." They
quickly tire of their partners and fall victim to temptation. The "cheating
ratio of 'married' gay males, given enough time, approaches 100%."


i.. Even friendships are based on the sexual test and hard to sustain.
Unattractive gay men find it nearly impossible to find a friend, let alone a
lover.


j.. The authors say gays tend to deny reality in various ways: wishful
thinking, paranoia, illogic, emotionalism and embracing crackpot ideas.
Is there any doubt that this behavior is sick? I feel no malice toward gays.
I feel the same way about people who have the flu. I want them to get better
and I don't want it to spread.

Unfortunately, even the authors of this book are deceiving themselves. They
claim that it is the gay lifestyle and NOT gay sexuality that is "the pits."
Who are they kidding? The two are inseparable.

The authors of this book are public relations experts who believe that "our
problem is fundamentally one of bad image with straights."

The book details "a comprehensive public-relations campaign that should go a
long way towards sanitizing our very unsanitary image:"

"Desensitization": flooding straight America with advertising presenting
gays in the "least offensive manner possible."

"Jamming": Advertising that equates fear of gays with hatred of Jews, Blacks
and women.

"Conversion": Presenting images of gays that look like regular folks. "The
image must be the icon of normality."

They say "it makes no difference that the ads are lies" because "we are
using them to...counter negative stereotypes that are every bit as much
lies."

This book was written in 1989 and obviously a campaign similar to this has
taken effect. Read what the authors say about it:

"By Conversion, we mean something far more profoundly threatening to the
American Way of Life [than subversion] ...We mean conversion of the average
American's emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack,
in the form of propaganda fed to the nation via the media. We mean...to turn
their hatred into warm regard whether they like it or not." (153)

Thus gays want Americans to learn that something they naturally and
justifiably regard as sick, is in fact healthy. Thus Americans will be
defenseless to resist their importunities whether in parks, barracks,
bathrooms or classrooms.

It is a measure of the authors' cynicism and self-deception that THEY quote
psychologist M. Scott Peck, who in "People of the Lie" characterizes people
who suffer from extreme or "malignant" narcissism simply as "evil."

Evil people, Peck says, have "an unshakable will to be right and will not
consider the possibility that they are wrong...Their main weapon,
interestingly enough is the lie with which they distort reality to look good
to themselves, and to confuse others." (297)

Gays can continue to fool themselves. But let us stop. Some of these people
are evil. Their behavior is sick. And it's contagious.

Interesting and very well put! To accept this filth is not a whole lot
different then the mindset of the homosexual them self. Liberals must
think it is the PC thing to do.
Yuk!
.
User: "Curt"

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 31 Aug 2006 01:51:23 PM
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message

Interesting and very well put! To accept this filth is not a whole lot
different then the mindset of the homosexual them self. Liberals must
think it is the PC thing to do.

Actually, I think liberals just don't spend as much time as conservatives
worrying about what other guys do with their weiners.
Curt
.
User: "Larry Scratch"

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 31 Aug 2006 01:48:06 PM
Curt wrote:

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message

Interesting and very well put! To accept this filth is not a whole lot
different then the mindset of the homosexual them self. Liberals must
think it is the PC thing to do.


Actually, I think liberals just don't spend as much time as conservatives
worrying about what other guys do with their weiners.

Curt


Actually unless it is ripping and tearing apart the moral core of
America they don't much care about anything from what I have been able
to read and observe. Course when things go bad they are the blame Bush
1st crowd too.
.
User: "Curt"

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 01 Sep 2006 03:26:30 AM
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
news:rPudncnMVKdls2rZnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@comcast.com...

Curt wrote:

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message

Interesting and very well put! To accept this filth is not a whole lot
different then the mindset of the homosexual them self. Liberals must
think it is the PC thing to do.


Actually, I think liberals just don't spend as much time as

conservatives

worrying about what other guys do with their weiners.

Curt




Actually unless it is ripping and tearing apart the moral core of
America they don't much care about anything from what I have been able
to read and observe. Course when things go bad they are the blame Bush
1st crowd too.

When an Actual Threat to America's "moral core" shows up, liberals are
reliably, uniformly and solely credited for defending that core.
They're just not too concerned with what you do with your weiner.
Play safe.
Curt
.
User: "Lobby Dosser"

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 01 Sep 2006 04:01:36 AM
"Curt" <cje@hevanet.com> wrote:


"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
news:rPudncnMVKdls2rZnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@comcast.com...

Curt wrote:

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message

Interesting and very well put! To accept this filth is not a
whole lot different then the mindset of the homosexual them self.
Liberals must think it is the PC thing to do.


Actually, I think liberals just don't spend as much time as

conservatives

worrying about what other guys do with their weiners.

Curt




Actually unless it is ripping and tearing apart the moral core of
America they don't much care about anything from what I have been
able to read and observe. Course when things go bad they are the
blame Bush 1st crowd too.


When an Actual Threat to America's "moral core" shows up, liberals are
reliably, uniformly and solely credited for defending that core.

They're just not too concerned with what you do with your weiner.

Actually they are. They're responsible for setting the allowable number
of rodent hairs and fecal material in it. FDA. :o)


Play safe.

.
User: "Curt"

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 01 Sep 2006 05:29:51 PM
"Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:QFSJg.40682$NF3.18708@trnddc05...

"Curt" <cje@hevanet.com> wrote:


"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
news:rPudncnMVKdls2rZnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@comcast.com...

Curt wrote:

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message

Interesting and very well put! To accept this filth is not a
whole lot different then the mindset of the homosexual them self.
Liberals must think it is the PC thing to do.


Actually, I think liberals just don't spend as much time as

conservatives

worrying about what other guys do with their weiners.

Curt




Actually unless it is ripping and tearing apart the moral core of
America they don't much care about anything from what I have been
able to read and observe. Course when things go bad they are the
blame Bush 1st crowd too.


When an Actual Threat to America's "moral core" shows up, liberals are
reliably, uniformly and solely credited for defending that core.

They're just not too concerned with what you do with your weiner.


Actually they are. They're responsible for setting the allowable number
of rodent hairs and fecal material in it. FDA. :o)

Those FDA folks are liberals?
Curt
.
User: "Lobby Dosser"

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 01 Sep 2006 08:32:18 PM
"Curt" <cje@hevanet.com> wrote:


"Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:QFSJg.40682$NF3.18708@trnddc05...

"Curt" <cje@hevanet.com> wrote:


"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
news:rPudncnMVKdls2rZnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@comcast.com...

Curt wrote:

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message

Interesting and very well put! To accept this filth is not a
whole lot different then the mindset of the homosexual them
self. Liberals must think it is the PC thing to do.


Actually, I think liberals just don't spend as much time as

conservatives

worrying about what other guys do with their weiners.

Curt




Actually unless it is ripping and tearing apart the moral core of
America they don't much care about anything from what I have been
able to read and observe. Course when things go bad they are the
blame Bush 1st crowd too.


When an Actual Threat to America's "moral core" shows up, liberals
are reliably, uniformly and solely credited for defending that
core.

They're just not too concerned with what you do with your weiner.


Actually they are. They're responsible for setting the allowable
number of rodent hairs and fecal material in it. FDA. :o)


Those FDA folks are liberals?

I don't think a raving, foaming at the mouth, chewing on the carpet,
peeping from the bushes, right wing whacko came up with the FDA.
.
User: "Don Homuth"

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 01 Sep 2006 08:41:43 PM
On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 01:32:18 GMT, Lobby Dosser
<lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:

I don't think a raving, foaming at the mouth, chewing on the carpet,
peeping from the bushes, right wing whacko came up with the FDA.

Interesting observation. It's worth your getting educated on it:
Start here:
http://www.fda.gov/oc/history/historyoffda/default.htm
Though there were some antecedents reaching as far back as Lincoln's
time, the FDA itself is celebrating its centennial this year, as it
turns out.
So, let's see here....
"...muckraking journalists such as Samuel Hopkins Adams exposed in
vivid detail the hazards of the marketplace. In fact, the nauseating
condition of the meat-packing industry that Upton Sinclair captured in
The Jungle was the final precipitating force behind both a meat
inspection law and a comprehensive food and drug law. (A poster of the
1913 movie adaptation of Sinclair's novel is pictured at right,
courtesy of the Sinclair Archives, Lilly Library, Indiana University,
through James Harvey Young's Pure Food: Securing the Federal Food and
Drugs Act of 1906.) Since 1879, nearly 100 bills had been introduced
in Congress to regulate food and drugs; on 30 June 1906 President
Roosevelt signed the Food and Drugs Act, known simply as the Wiley
Act, a pillar of the Progressive era."
So, while your observation is correct, the FDA's start began when the
Rs were in the White House and controlled the Congress.
That was when Rs were Progressive, unlike now. It would have been
difficult then to find any Rs who fit your description.
Now it's not so hard at all.
.
User: "Andrealphus"

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 01 Sep 2006 09:04:46 PM
In News c2ohf2dndfsqgh0qe1hq4q85c63q2orvl9@4ax.com,, Don Homuth at
dhomuth1@comcast.net, typed this:

On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 01:32:18 GMT, Lobby Dosser
<lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:

I don't think a raving, foaming at the mouth, chewing on the carpet,
peeping from the bushes, right wing whacko came up with the FDA.


Interesting observation. It's worth your getting educated on it:

Start here:

http://www.fda.gov/oc/history/historyoffda/default.htm

Though there were some antecedents reaching as far back as Lincoln's
time, the FDA itself is celebrating its centennial this year, as it
turns out.

So, let's see here....

"...muckraking journalists such as Samuel Hopkins Adams exposed in
vivid detail the hazards of the marketplace. In fact, the nauseating
condition of the meat-packing industry that Upton Sinclair captured in
The Jungle was the final precipitating force behind both a meat
inspection law and a comprehensive food and drug law. (A poster of the
1913 movie adaptation of Sinclair's novel is pictured at right,
courtesy of the Sinclair Archives, Lilly Library, Indiana University,
through James Harvey Young's Pure Food: Securing the Federal Food and
Drugs Act of 1906.) Since 1879, nearly 100 bills had been introduced
in Congress to regulate food and drugs; on 30 June 1906 President
Roosevelt signed the Food and Drugs Act, known simply as the Wiley
Act, a pillar of the Progressive era."

So, while your observation is correct, the FDA's start began when the
Rs were in the White House and controlled the Congress.

That was when Rs were Progressive, unlike now. It would have been
difficult then to find any Rs who fit your description.

Now it's not so hard at all.

Many people fail to understand that the concept of terms such as
"Republican" and "Conservative" have changed drastically over the last 150
years. Even since the 1960's. Republicans weren't the far right relgious
nutcases that many of them are now.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
.




User: "gatt"

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 01 Sep 2006 12:39:08 PM
"Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:QFSJg.40682$NF3.18708@trnddc05...

When an Actual Threat to America's "moral core" shows up, liberals are
reliably, uniformly and solely credited for defending that core.

They're just not too concerned with what you do with your weiner.


Actually they are. They're responsible for setting the allowable number
of rodent hairs and fecal material in it. FDA. :o)

Excellent!
-c
.

User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 02 Sep 2006 12:46:12 AM
Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:

"Curt" <cje@hevanet.com> wrote:


"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
news:rPudncnMVKdls2rZnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@comcast.com...

Curt wrote:

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message

Interesting and very well put! To accept this filth is not a
whole lot different then the mindset of the homosexual them self.
Liberals must think it is the PC thing to do.


Actually, I think liberals just don't spend as much time as

conservatives

worrying about what other guys do with their weiners.

Curt




Actually unless it is ripping and tearing apart the moral core of
America they don't much care about anything from what I have been
able to read and observe. Course when things go bad they are the
blame Bush 1st crowd too.


When an Actual Threat to America's "moral core" shows up, liberals are
reliably, uniformly and solely credited for defending that core.

They're just not too concerned with what you do with your weiner.


Actually they are. They're responsible for setting the allowable number
of rodent hairs and fecal material in it. FDA. :o)

No, it's the right-wing anti-government pro-business people who insist
upon allowing businesses to put garbage into food.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.



User: "gatt"

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 31 Aug 2006 02:41:44 PM
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
news:rPudncnMVKdls2rZnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@comcast.com...


Actually unless it is ripping and tearing apart the moral core of America
they don't much care about anything from what I have been able to read and
observe. Course when things go bad they are the blame Bush 1st crowd too.

YOU MEAN LIKE ***** CHENEY'S CARPET-MUNCHING DAUGHTER?
(How dare you. Traitor.)
-c
.
User: "Mike"

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 31 Aug 2006 02:45:29 PM
gatt wrote:

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
news:rPudncnMVKdls2rZnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@comcast.com...


Actually unless it is ripping and tearing apart the moral core of America
they don't much care about anything from what I have been able to read and
observe. Course when things go bad they are the blame Bush 1st crowd too.




YOU MEAN LIKE ***** CHENEY'S CARPET-MUNCHING DAUGHTER?

I never thought I would ever think of anything good to say about *****
Cheney, but the fact is that he has been quite decent about his
daughter's lesbianism. He does not and does not pretend to have any
use for the party line on gay-bashing, presumably because of his
daughter. God knows he's a fascist in every other possible way.


(How dare you. Traitor.)

-c

.
User: "gatt"

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 31 Aug 2006 06:29:24 PM
"Mike" <matmzc@hofstra.edu> wrote in message
news:1157053529.764823.45390@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

YOU MEAN LIKE ***** CHENEY'S CARPET-MUNCHING DAUGHTER?


I never thought I would ever think of anything good to say about *****
Cheney, but the fact is that he has been quite decent about his
daughter's lesbianism.

Yep. In other words, he Values his Family. If nothing else, that's
respectable.
-c
.
User: "Andrealphus"

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 31 Aug 2006 07:38:25 PM
In News ohKJg.192$za1.28@news02.roc.ny,, gatt at
LiveFromTheClocktower@gfy.com, typed this:

"Mike" <matmzc@hofstra.edu> wrote in message
news:1157053529.764823.45390@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

YOU MEAN LIKE ***** CHENEY'S CARPET-MUNCHING DAUGHTER?


I never thought I would ever think of anything good to say about *****
Cheney, but the fact is that he has been quite decent about his
daughter's lesbianism.


Yep. In other words, he Values his Family.

As long as he doesn't take them quail hunting. :)
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. – Thomas Jefferson
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 01 Sep 2006 10:21:03 PM
I was going to make the quail joke, you fucker. You ruined my entire
day. Yeah, it's a cheap shot, but you know what? IT WAS MINE AND YOU
TOOK IT FROM ME! WHY!?!??!
OK...it was still funny I guess...nice one...
Andrealphus wrote:

In News ohKJg.192$za1.28@news02.roc.ny,, gatt at
LiveFromTheClocktower@gfy.com, typed this:

"Mike" <matmzc@hofstra.edu> wrote in message
news:1157053529.764823.45390@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

YOU MEAN LIKE ***** CHENEY'S CARPET-MUNCHING DAUGHTER?


I never thought I would ever think of anything good to say about *****
Cheney, but the fact is that he has been quite decent about his
daughter's lesbianism.


Yep. In other words, he Values his Family.


As long as he doesn't take them quail hunting. :)


--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson

.





User: "Don Homuth"

Title: Re: Is this Gay Behavior Sick? 31 Aug 2006 02:00:37 PM
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:48:06 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:

Curt wrote:

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message

Interesting and very well put! To accept this filth is not a whole lot
different then the mindset of the homosexual them self. Liberals must
think it is the PC thing to do.


Actually, I think liberals just don't spend as much time as conservatives
worrying about what other guys do with their weiners.

Actually unless it is ripping and tearing apart the moral core of
America

What "moral core?" This was always around -- you just avoided hearing
about it.

... they don't much care about anything from what I have been able
to read and observe.

They may not care what you Wingnuts care about, clearly. Which is
hardly the same at all.

Course when things go bad they are the blame Bush
1st crowd too.

At the moment, Dubya and the Rs are in charge.
The Wingnut brigades have, of late, taken to blaming the Ds -- who are
Not in charge -- for things that the Rs have done. For some odd
reason, it's the Ds fault for not stopping the R initiative to raise
pay incongruous.
Your compass is skewed, apparently.
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