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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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30 May 2006 04:16:39 AM |
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Is Tony Blair Becoming A Catholic? |
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1607967/posts
Sunday, April 2, 2006 3:24 p.m. EDT
Is Tony Blair Becoming a Catholic?
Persistent rumors that British Prime Minister Tony Blair, a Protestant,
may convert to Roman Catholicism got a strong boost when the Times of
London revealed Sunday that a Franciscan friar has been celebrating
Mass for the Blair family at Number 10 Downing St., the prime
minister's official residence.
Blair, nominally an Anglican, Britain's official religious
denomination, has repeatedly denied reports that he plans to convert to
Catholicism, his wife's religion. The Times notes that Blair
participates in the Mass but does not receive Holy Communion.
Attending Mass has been a longtime practice of the prime minister. All
of his four children share their mother's Catholicism, and the family
has been quietly attending Mass not only at at home, but also at their
official country residence, Chequers, since 2003, when they had to stop
going to Westminster Cathedral and to other Catholic churches because
of security concerns.
Blair has previously denied he plans to convert to Catholicism,
something that not too long ago would have been considered an outrage
and a crime against the Queen, who is the official head of the Anglican
Church. He says he only attends Catholic services so his family can
worship together.
There has never been a Catholic British prime minister, and Blair's
wife, Cherie, is the first Downing St. spouse of a prime minister to be
a member of the Catholic Church.
Writing in the Guardian newspaper on Sept. 28, 2004, Francis Beckett
and David Hencke noted that "Tony Blair today is effectively a Roman
Catholic, though he has not yet, to our knowledge, been formally
received into the church."
Blair has been attending Mass with his family for years, and was once
reprimanded for receiving Holy Communion by Cardinal Basil Hume.
According to the Guardian, Blair attended Mass even before becoming
prime minister. The Guardian reported that he regularly attended Mass
at Westminster Cathedral, more often than not by himself, and always
took Holy Communion. "The priests there knew him well," the Guardian
wrote. "He would normally either attend the 9 a.m. Mass with his
family, or the 5:30 p.m. Mass by himself."
In 2003, when the Blairs visited the Vatican, they had a private
meeting with Pope John Paul II. The pope's secretary, Archbishop
Stanislaw Dziwisz, said a Mass just for the two of them, and both
received Holy Communion from him. The Guardian, speculated that the
pope would not have allowed that unless he was sure his visitor was, in
his heart, a Roman Catholic.
"The question of Tony's faith is dormant by decision," says a Catholic
who knows the Blairs well, told the Guardian. "They have decided not to
let news of his Catholicism break while Tony is prime minister."
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31 May 2006 08:00:31 AM |
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He may attend the Catholic services for his wife in his home, but we
don't think he would join because we don't think he would succumb to
Mass hysteria! ;)
Coffee and Chat
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1607967/posts
Sunday, April 2, 2006 3:24 p.m. EDT
Is Tony Blair Becoming a Catholic?
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31 May 2006 05:11:21 PM |
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If he did, I think he would still obey Bush rather than the pope. I'm
sure the last pope said that he shouldn't go to war in Iraq.
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02 Jun 2006 07:22:14 PM |
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Dave wrote:
If he did, I think he would still obey Bush rather than the pope. I'm
sure the last pope said that he shouldn't go to war in Iraq.
Although I agree with the last pope's position on the Iraq war, what
does joining the Catholic Church have to do with obeying the pope? DR
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30 May 2006 05:32:47 AM |
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On 30 May 2006 02:16:39 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Is Tony Blair Becoming a Catholic?
DILLIGAFF?
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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30 May 2006 05:45:13 AM |
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raven1 wrote:
On 30 May 2006 02:16:39 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
Is Tony Blair Becoming a Catholic?
DILLIGAFF?
NNR,SI?
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| User: "Dom" |
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30 May 2006 05:12:41 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1607967/posts
Sunday, April 2, 2006 3:24 p.m. EDT
Is Tony Blair Becoming a Catholic?
Persistent rumors that British Prime Minister Tony Blair, a Protestant,
may convert to Roman Catholicism got a strong boost when the Times of
London revealed Sunday that a Franciscan friar has been celebrating
Mass for the Blair family at Number 10 Downing St., the prime
minister's official residence.
Blair, nominally an Anglican, Britain's official religious
denomination, has repeatedly denied reports that he plans to convert to
Catholicism, his wife's religion. The Times notes that Blair
participates in the Mass but does not receive Holy Communion.
It's about time that the Anglican, Evangelical and other mainline
churches bury the hatchet and find some formula for reconciling with
the pope. The present situation is a complete, utter, absurd scandal.
DR
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| User: "allan connochie" |
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31 May 2006 01:03:36 AM |
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"Dom" <DRosa@teikyopost.edu> wrote in message
news:1149027161.367998.220180@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1607967/posts
Sunday, April 2, 2006 3:24 p.m. EDT
Is Tony Blair Becoming a Catholic?
Persistent rumors that British Prime Minister Tony Blair, a Protestant,
may convert to Roman Catholicism got a strong boost when the Times of
London revealed Sunday that a Franciscan friar has been celebrating
Mass for the Blair family at Number 10 Downing St., the prime
minister's official residence.
Blair, nominally an Anglican, Britain's official religious
denomination, has repeatedly denied reports that he plans to convert to
Catholicism, his wife's religion. The Times notes that Blair
participates in the Mass but does not receive Holy Communion.
It's about time that the Anglican, Evangelical and other mainline
churches bury the hatchet and find some formula for reconciling with
the pope. The present situation is a complete, utter, absurd scandal.
But in the story the other week the opposition to Blair becoming a Catholic
was coming from sections of the Catholic Church itself, or at least
individuals within the Catholic Church, who said he didn't have the
credentials to convert! There is no particular bar on Catholics becoming the
Prime Minister and no popular opposition to it either.
Allan
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31 May 2006 07:41:04 AM |
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allan connochie wrote:
"Dom" <DRosa@teikyopost.edu> wrote in message
news:1149027161.367998.220180@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1607967/posts
Sunday, April 2, 2006 3:24 p.m. EDT
Is Tony Blair Becoming a Catholic?
Persistent rumors that British Prime Minister Tony Blair, a Protestant,
may convert to Roman Catholicism got a strong boost when the Times of
London revealed Sunday that a Franciscan friar has been celebrating
Mass for the Blair family at Number 10 Downing St., the prime
minister's official residence.
Blair, nominally an Anglican, Britain's official religious
denomination, has repeatedly denied reports that he plans to convert to
Catholicism, his wife's religion. The Times notes that Blair
participates in the Mass but does not receive Holy Communion.
It's about time that the Anglican, Evangelical and other mainline
churches bury the hatchet and find some formula for reconciling with
the pope. The present situation is a complete, utter, absurd scandal.
But in the story the other week the opposition to Blair becoming a Catholic
was coming from sections of the Catholic Church itself, or at least
individuals within the Catholic Church, who said he didn't have the
credentials to convert! There is no particular bar on Catholics becoming the
Prime Minister and no popular opposition to it either.
I would not be at all surprised if opposition is coming from
incompetent Catholic hierarchs and other individuals. DR
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31 May 2006 05:10:41 AM |
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Dom wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1607967/posts
Sunday, April 2, 2006 3:24 p.m. EDT
Is Tony Blair Becoming a Catholic?
Persistent rumors that British Prime Minister Tony Blair, a Protestant,
may convert to Roman Catholicism got a strong boost when the Times of
London revealed Sunday that a Franciscan friar has been celebrating
Mass for the Blair family at Number 10 Downing St., the prime
minister's official residence.
Blair, nominally an Anglican, Britain's official religious
denomination, has repeatedly denied reports that he plans to convert to
Catholicism, his wife's religion. The Times notes that Blair
participates in the Mass but does not receive Holy Communion.
It's about time that the Anglican, Evangelical and other mainline
churches bury the hatchet and find some formula for reconciling with
the pope. The present situation is a complete, utter, absurd scandal.
DR
The Catholic view of ecumenism = everybody should become a Catholic.
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| User: "Amos W. Steinhacker" |
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02 Jun 2006 07:55:55 AM |
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<user13@heathens.org.uk> wrote in message
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Dom wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1607967/posts
Sunday, April 2, 2006 3:24 p.m. EDT
Is Tony Blair Becoming a Catholic?
Persistent rumors that British Prime Minister Tony Blair, a
Protestant,
may convert to Roman Catholicism got a strong boost when the Times of
London revealed Sunday that a Franciscan friar has been celebrating
Mass for the Blair family at Number 10 Downing St., the prime
minister's official residence.
Blair, nominally an Anglican, Britain's official religious
denomination, has repeatedly denied reports that he plans to convert
to
Catholicism, his wife's religion. The Times notes that Blair
participates in the Mass but does not receive Holy Communion.
It's about time that the Anglican, Evangelical and other mainline
churches bury the hatchet and find some formula for reconciling with
the pope. The present situation is a complete, utter, absurd scandal.
DR
The Catholic view of ecumenism = everybody should become a Catholic.
Not a bad idea, that, in view of the threat coming from islam.
United we stand, divided we fall!
They want jihad? OK, then we'll have crusade! We've done it before, we can
do it again.
And this time, as Nixon said in 1968, we're gonna win!
For Christ and the Pope!
(Come to think of it, I am not a Catholic myself, I'd forgotten that.)
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| User: "Nusrat" |
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02 Jun 2006 05:19:05 PM |
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On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:55:55 +0200, "Amos W. Steinhacker"
<amoswsteinhacker@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dom wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1607967/posts
Sunday, April 2, 2006 3:24 p.m. EDT
Is Tony Blair Becoming a Catholic?
Persistent rumors that British Prime Minister Tony Blair, a
Protestant,
may convert to Roman Catholicism got a strong boost when the Times of
London revealed Sunday that a Franciscan friar has been celebrating
Mass for the Blair family at Number 10 Downing St., the prime
minister's official residence.
Blair, nominally an Anglican, Britain's official religious
denomination, has repeatedly denied reports that he plans to convert
to
Catholicism, his wife's religion. The Times notes that Blair
participates in the Mass but does not receive Holy Communion.
It's about time that the Anglican, Evangelical and other mainline
churches bury the hatchet and find some formula for reconciling with
the pope. The present situation is a complete, utter, absurd scandal.
DR
The Catholic view of ecumenism = everybody should become a Catholic.
Not a bad idea, that, in view of the threat coming from islam.
United we stand, divided we fall!
They want jihad? OK, then we'll have crusade! We've done it before, we can
do it again.
And this time, as Nixon said in 1968, we're gonna win!
For Christ and the Pope!
(Come to think of it, I am not a Catholic myself, I'd forgotten that.)
What do these sand niggers care what church you belong to. To them you
are both guilty of the same capitol offense, infidelity.
Can we please set our differences aside to fight this common foe.
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| User: "milou" |
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31 May 2006 06:05:01 AM |
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On 31 May 2006 03:10:41 -0700, wrote:
The Catholic view of ecumenism = everybody should become a Catholic.
AFAIC, they can all take a long walk on deep water.
Ban all religions, the world will be a better place.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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31 May 2006 06:25:18 AM |
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On 31 May 2006 03:10:41 -0700, wrote:
It's about time that the Anglican, Evangelical and other mainline
churches bury the hatchet and find some formula for reconciling with
the pope. The present situation is a complete, utter, absurd scandal.
DR
The Catholic view of ecumenism = everybody should become a Catholic.
The last Pope once suggested to the Archbishop of Canterbury that it
was time to mend the CofE's differences with the RCC . With the Pope
at the head of the re-united Church, using Catholic doctrine etc.
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| User: "Nusrat" |
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31 May 2006 03:49:15 PM |
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On Wed, 31 May 2006 07:25:18 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On 31 May 2006 03:10:41 -0700, wrote:
It's about time that the Anglican, Evangelical and other mainline
churches bury the hatchet and find some formula for reconciling with
the pope. The present situation is a complete, utter, absurd scandal.
DR
The Catholic view of ecumenism = everybody should become a Catholic.
The last Pope once suggested to the Archbishop of Canterbury that it
was time to mend the CofE's differences with the RCC . With the Pope
at the head of the re-united Church, using Catholic doctrine etc.
And this is what Pope Benedict said in Auschwitz last week.
"In a place like this, words fail. In the end, there can only be a
dread silence -- a silence which is itself a heartfelt cry to God:
Why, Lord, did you remain silent? How could you tolerate all this?"
Does this not sound more profound than what the previous Pope
has allegedly said to your Archbishop.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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31 May 2006 06:54:06 PM |
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Nusrat <rizvioct@optonline.net> wrote in
news:c40s725gc5lqp12jvc12mck5t1pq20apco@4ax.com:
And this is what Pope Benedict said in Auschwitz last week.
"In a place like this, words fail. In the end, there can only be a
dread silence -- a silence which is itself a heartfelt cry to God:
Why, Lord, did you remain silent? How could you tolerate all this?"
Sadly, he had no answer. Clearly, God doesn't care or isn't there.
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Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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01 Jun 2006 02:07:08 AM |
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Nusrat wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2006 07:25:18 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On 31 May 2006 03:10:41 -0700, wrote:
It's about time that the Anglican, Evangelical and other mainline
churches bury the hatchet and find some formula for reconciling with
the pope. The present situation is a complete, utter, absurd scandal.
DR
The Catholic view of ecumenism = everybody should become a Catholic.
The last Pope once suggested to the Archbishop of Canterbury that it
was time to mend the CofE's differences with the RCC . With the Pope
at the head of the re-united Church, using Catholic doctrine etc.
And this is what Pope Benedict said in Auschwitz last week.
"In a place like this, words fail. In the end, there can only be a
dread silence -- a silence which is itself a heartfelt cry to God:
Why, Lord, did you remain silent? How could you tolerate all this?"
Is the Pope becoming an atheist? I don't suppose they even thought to
put that exclusion in the rule book.
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30 May 2006 04:48:11 AM |
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Who bloody cares? Let's just see the devious halibut out of Downing
Street, then he can follow the cult of the twitching teapot, the Church
of the Risen Souffle or anything else he wants to believe in.
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| User: "Amos W. Steinhacker" |
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30 May 2006 05:39:38 AM |
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"Nosterill" <robin@davinoptronics.com> wrote in message
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Who bloody cares? Let's just see the devious halibut out of Downing
Street, then he can follow the cult of the twitching teapot, the Church
of the Risen Souffle or anything else he wants to believe in.
What is a halibut? Besides being a fish?
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30 May 2006 02:54:34 PM |
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Amos W. Steinhacker wrote:
"Nosterill" <robin@davinoptronics.com> wrote in message
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Who bloody cares? Let's just see the devious halibut out of Downing
Street, then he can follow the cult of the twitching teapot, the Church
of the Risen Souffle or anything else he wants to believe in.
What is a halibut? Besides being a fish?
Something as fishy as a halibut.
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30 May 2006 06:07:37 AM |
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Amos W. Steinhacker wrote:
"Nosterill" <robin@davinoptronics.com> wrote in message
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Who bloody cares? Let's just see the devious halibut out of Downing
Street, then he can follow the cult of the twitching teapot, the Church
of the Risen Souffle or anything else he wants to believe in.
What is a halibut? Besides being a fish?
You don't think there's something fishy about Blair?
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| User: "Amos W. Steinhacker" |
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30 May 2006 09:23:31 AM |
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"Nosterill" <robin@davinoptronics.com> wrote in message
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Amos W. Steinhacker wrote:
"Nosterill" <robin@davinoptronics.com> wrote in message
news:1148982491.628088.260060@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Who bloody cares? Let's just see the devious halibut out of Downing
Street, then he can follow the cult of the twitching teapot, the
Church
of the Risen Souffle or anything else he wants to believe in.
What is a halibut? Besides being a fish?
You don't think there's something fishy about Blair?
I do.
I see.
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| User: "Roger Dewhurst" |
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30 May 2006 04:41:48 PM |
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"Nosterill" <robin@davinoptronics.com> wrote in message
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Amos W. Steinhacker wrote:
"Nosterill" <robin@davinoptronics.com> wrote in message
news:1148982491.628088.260060@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Who bloody cares? Let's just see the devious halibut out of Downing
Street, then he can follow the cult of the twitching teapot, the
Church
of the Risen Souffle or anything else he wants to believe in.
What is a halibut? Besides being a fish?
You don't think there's something fishy about Blair?
Perhaps if you had used the words 'dead mullet' there would have been less
room for misunderstanding.
R
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31 May 2006 03:38:48 AM |
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Roger Dewhurst wrote:
"Nosterill" <robin@davinoptronics.com> wrote in message
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Amos W. Steinhacker wrote:
"Nosterill" <robin@davinoptronics.com> wrote in message
news:1148982491.628088.260060@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Who bloody cares? Let's just see the devious halibut out of Downing
Street, then he can follow the cult of the twitching teapot, the
Church
of the Risen Souffle or anything else he wants to believe in.
What is a halibut? Besides being a fish?
You don't think there's something fishy about Blair?
Perhaps if you had used the words 'dead mullet' there would have been less
room for misunderstanding.
That could have been taken as a comment on his hair style. A deviant
mullet maybe, particularly in a strong crosswind.
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30 May 2006 05:28:05 AM |
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I think he secretly follows the cult of the "lifting-shirt".
Mandy and Two Jags have the goods on him.......That is why he cannot "sack"
them, even though both have committed civil crimes.
"Nosterill" <robin@davinoptronics.com> wrote in message
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30 May 2006 08:38:24 AM |
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"Jon°" <topjon108@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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I think he secretly follows the cult of the "lifting-shirt".
Does that mean that he is whipping himself?
Yossarian
Mandy and Two Jags have the goods on him.......That is why he cannot
"sack"
them, even though both have committed civil crimes.
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30 May 2006 09:29:20 AM |
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On Tue, 30 May 2006 09:38:24 -0400, yossarian wrote in message
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"Jon°" <topjon108@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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I think he secretly follows the cult of the "lifting-shirt".
Does that mean that he is whipping himself?
Nah, that's Ruth Kelly.
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attrib: Pauline Réage. Cine To DVD? http://www.video2cd.co.uk
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| User: "yossarian" |
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30 May 2006 08:38:24 AM |
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"Jon°" <topjon108@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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I think he secretly follows the cult of the "lifting-shirt".
Does that mean that he is whipping himself?
Yossarian
Mandy and Two Jags have the goods on him.......That is why he cannot
"sack"
them, even though both have committed civil crimes.
"Nosterill" <robin@davinoptronics.com> wrote in message
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