Religions > Atheism > Is Torture And Castration Just Fine Between "Consenting Adults"?
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21 Mar 2007 08:29:24 PM |
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Is Torture And Castration Just Fine Between "Consenting Adults"? |
http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/2007_03_11_archive.html#7577078135089804399
Friday, March 16, 2007
Nauseating--But Hey, It's All Consenting Adults
I mentioned this horrifying story last year, calling it evidence that
the Bible Belt had ruptured. The judge has decided that castration is
no big deal:
WAYNESVILLE - The six men castrated in a sadomasochistic dungeon
fashioned from an enclosed carport all told prosecutors they saw no
need for criminal charges.
Even a judge Thursday said calling the men victims might be a stretch,
though what happened was certainly a crime.
"I think this is a type of perversion that cannot be tolerated by
society," Superior Court Judge Dennis Winner said in sentencing three
men who performed the castrations.
Richard Peter "Master Rick" Sciara and his partner of 20 years,
Michael Mendez, both pleaded guilty to felony castration without
malice and felony maiming without malice. The man Sciara and Mendez
called their slave, Danny Carroll Reeves, also pleaded guilty to the
charges.
Prosecutors said the crimes happened in 2004 and 2005 at house in a
quiet
[gruesome details excised]
In exchange for the pleas, the state dropped charges of misdemeanor
practicing medicine without a license and conspiracy.
Winner sentenced Sciara, 62, to a year in jail and three years'
probation. Sciara has been in jail for 350 days since his arrest last
year. The judge said his time served while waiting for trial would
apply to his sentence.
Sciara will be on six months' electronic house arrest after his
release on March 29.
Mendez, 61, got four months in jail but had already served six months
so he was free to go. He is on house arrest for two months and has
supervised probation for three years.
Reeves, 50, got eight months in prison, but he has also been in jail
since his arrest so he was allowed to leave. Reeves got four months
house arrest and three years' probation.
All three will pay court costs and can't perform surgery or have
surgical equipment as terms of their probation.
I won't quote many other parts of the article--they were just too
nauseating. But let's just say that all sorts of "extreme body
modification" were being done. As Sciara's brother, clinical
psychologist Anthony Sciara explained:
Anthony Sciara said he accepted his brother's gay lifestyle and even
encouraged him to move to Western North Carolina with Mendez when he
retired from the VA in 1999.
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In his defense, Anthony Sciara said his brother performed the
surgeries only to help others.
"His concept of himself is he is a helpful person," Anthony Sciara
said.
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"(Sciara) felt like the medical system was not addressing the needs of
this not-small group who had these needs, whether they were imagined
or just emotional," Patton said, likening the operations to abortions
and breast enhancements.
The attorneys for the three asked the judge to consider Sciara's
medical experience and that the law doesn't allow for consent as a
defense to the crime.
They asked Winner to sentence the men in a range that would have meant
credit for time served and a less restrictive probation.
Sciara had some limits to what he was prepared to do--the men who
wanted their legs amputated above the knee as an expression of their
love for each other--well, that was a bit too much.
I mean, what consenting adults do in private is none of the
government's business, is it?
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Is Torture And Castration Just Fine Between "Consenting Adults"? |
21 Mar 2007 11:51:13 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote in message
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http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/2007_03_11_archive.html#7577078135089804399
Friday, March 16, 2007
Nauseating--But Hey, It's All Consenting Adults
Yes. The only thing that should be illegal about that event was the practice
of medicine without a liscense. That's a danger to public health.
Other than that, their boats were floated.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Michael Price" |
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| Title: Re: Is Torture And Castration Just Fine Between "Consenting Adults"? |
22 Mar 2007 02:08:09 AM |
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On Mar 22, 3:51 pm, "Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote in messagenews:1174526964.305605.104060@e1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/2007_03_11_archive.html#757707813...
Friday, March 16, 2007
Nauseating--But Hey, It's All Consenting Adults
Yes. The only thing that should be illegal about that event was the practice
of medicine without a license. That's a danger to public health.
There is nothing inherently dangerous about not having a piece of
paper
when you practice medicine. If they were negligent then that's a
danger,
but not getting government permission is not rightfully a crime.
Other than that, their boats were floated.
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Denis Loubet
dlou...@io.comhttp://www.io.com/~dloubethttp://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Is Torture And Castration Just Fine Between "Consenting Adults"? |
22 Mar 2007 08:00:56 AM |
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On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:51:13 -0600, Denis Loubet wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote in message
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http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/2007_03_11_archive.html#7577078135089804399
Friday, March 16, 2007
Nauseating--But Hey, It's All Consenting Adults
To you, perhaps. To me, believing all that crap about God and Jesus is
nauseating.
Yes. The only thing that should be illegal about that event was the
practice of medicine without a liscense. That's a danger to public
health.
Other than that, their boats were floated.
They were not presenting themselves to the general public as practitioners
of medicine. They were not 'practicing medicine' any more than someone
doing a piercing, or tattooing.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Is Torture And Castration Just Fine Between "Consenting Adults"? |
22 Mar 2007 11:16:46 AM |
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"MarkA" <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:51:13 -0600, Denis Loubet wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote in message
news:1174526964.305605.104060@e1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/2007_03_11_archive.html#7577078135089804399
Friday, March 16, 2007
Nauseating--But Hey, It's All Consenting Adults
To you, perhaps. To me, believing all that crap about God and Jesus is
nauseating.
Yes. The only thing that should be illegal about that event was the
practice of medicine without a liscense. That's a danger to public
health.
Other than that, their boats were floated.
They were not presenting themselves to the general public as practitioners
of medicine. They were not 'practicing medicine' any more than someone
doing a piercing, or tattooing.
They were performing a surgical procedure.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "brique" |
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| Title: Re: Is Torture And Castration Just Fine Between "Consenting Adults"? |
22 Mar 2007 11:58:57 AM |
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Denis Loubet <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"MarkA" <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:51:13 -0600, Denis Loubet wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote in message
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http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/2007_03_11_archive.html#7577078135089804
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Friday, March 16, 2007
Nauseating--But Hey, It's All Consenting Adults
To you, perhaps. To me, believing all that crap about God and Jesus is
nauseating.
Yes. The only thing that should be illegal about that event was the
practice of medicine without a liscense. That's a danger to public
health.
Other than that, their boats were floated.
They were not presenting themselves to the general public as
practitioners
of medicine. They were not 'practicing medicine' any more than someone
doing a piercing, or tattooing.
They were performing a surgical procedure.
So, you only have your toe-nails clipped by a chiropodist and your teeth
cleaned by a dentist?
What nobody has mentioned is that torture seems to be perfectly acceptable
when carried out on an non-consenting adult.... even legal.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Is Torture And Castration Just Fine Between "Consenting Adults"? |
22 Mar 2007 02:51:05 PM |
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in message
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Denis Loubet <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"MarkA" <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:51:13 -0600, Denis Loubet wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote in message
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http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/2007_03_11_archive.html#7577078135089804
399
Friday, March 16, 2007
Nauseating--But Hey, It's All Consenting Adults
To you, perhaps. To me, believing all that crap about God and Jesus is
nauseating.
Yes. The only thing that should be illegal about that event was the
practice of medicine without a liscense. That's a danger to public
health.
Other than that, their boats were floated.
They were not presenting themselves to the general public as
practitioners
of medicine. They were not 'practicing medicine' any more than someone
doing a piercing, or tattooing.
They were performing a surgical procedure.
So, you only have your toe-nails clipped by a chiropodist and your teeth
cleaned by a dentist?
Are those surgical procedures? No? Then what the hell are you talking about?
What nobody has mentioned is that torture seems to be perfectly acceptable
when carried out on an non-consenting adult.... even legal.
Now THAT'S a good point. And an ugly one. :-(
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "MarkA" |
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22 Mar 2007 05:02:49 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:16:46 -0500, Denis Loubet wrote:
"MarkA" <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.03.22.13.00.55.20197@stopspam.net...
On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:51:13 -0600, Denis Loubet wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote in message
news:1174526964.305605.104060@e1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/2007_03_11_archive.html#7577078135089804399
Friday, March 16, 2007
Nauseating--But Hey, It's All Consenting Adults
To you, perhaps. To me, believing all that crap about God and Jesus is
nauseating.
Yes. The only thing that should be illegal about that event was the
practice of medicine without a liscense. That's a danger to public
health.
Other than that, their boats were floated.
They were not presenting themselves to the general public as
practitioners of medicine. They were not 'practicing medicine' any more
than someone doing a piercing, or tattooing.
They were performing a surgical procedure.
That is not the same as 'practicing medicine'. Hell, squeezing a zit is
a 'surgical procedure.' If the zit is big enough, we stick a blade in it
and call it 'Incision and drainage of abscess.'
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Is Torture And Castration Just Fine Between "Consenting Adults"? |
22 Mar 2007 09:24:39 PM |
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"MarkA" <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:16:46 -0500, Denis Loubet wrote:
"MarkA" <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.03.22.13.00.55.20197@stopspam.net...
On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:51:13 -0600, Denis Loubet wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote in message
news:1174526964.305605.104060@e1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/2007_03_11_archive.html#7577078135089804399
Friday, March 16, 2007
Nauseating--But Hey, It's All Consenting Adults
To you, perhaps. To me, believing all that crap about God and Jesus is
nauseating.
Yes. The only thing that should be illegal about that event was the
practice of medicine without a liscense. That's a danger to public
health.
Other than that, their boats were floated.
They were not presenting themselves to the general public as
practitioners of medicine. They were not 'practicing medicine' any more
than someone doing a piercing, or tattooing.
They were performing a surgical procedure.
That is not the same as 'practicing medicine'. Hell, squeezing a zit is
a 'surgical procedure.' If the zit is big enough, we stick a blade in it
and call it 'Incision and drainage of abscess.'
I see you're not interested in a discussion. Very well, good day.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "MarkA" |
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22 Mar 2007 10:30:46 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:24:39 -0500, Denis Loubet wrote:
"MarkA" <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.03.22.22.02.46.529415@stopspam.net...
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:16:46 -0500, Denis Loubet wrote:
"MarkA" <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.03.22.13.00.55.20197@stopspam.net...
On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:51:13 -0600, Denis Loubet wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote in message
news:1174526964.305605.104060@e1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/2007_03_11_archive.html#7577078135089804399
Friday, March 16, 2007
Nauseating--But Hey, It's All Consenting Adults
To you, perhaps. To me, believing all that crap about God and Jesus
is nauseating.
Yes. The only thing that should be illegal about that event was the
practice of medicine without a liscense. That's a danger to public
health.
Other than that, their boats were floated.
They were not presenting themselves to the general public as
practitioners of medicine. They were not 'practicing medicine' any
more than someone doing a piercing, or tattooing.
They were performing a surgical procedure.
That is not the same as 'practicing medicine'. Hell, squeezing a zit is
a 'surgical procedure.' If the zit is big enough, we stick a blade in
it and call it 'Incision and drainage of abscess.'
I see you're not interested in a discussion. Very well, good day.
Apparently we disagree on what it means to 'practice medicine.' Good day
to you, too.
--
MarkA
(this space accidentally filled in)
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| User: "JohnN" |
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23 Mar 2007 12:51:02 PM |
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On Mar 21, 9:29 pm, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
wrote:
http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/2007_03_11_archive.html#757707813...
Friday, March 16, 2007
Nauseating--But Hey, It's All Consenting Adults
Story snipped.
The federal government has no problem torturing non-consenting adults
and children. The neo-con Religious Reich seems to approve
considering the Republicans let the military, CIA,a nd god knows how
many private security comanies in Iraq do it.
Do you have a problem with a man getting a vasectomy?
I mean, what consenting adults do in private is none of the
government's business, is it?
Correct, the government has no business in the private lives of
consenting adults. Unfortunitly a lot of religious rightards don't
understand that and when they get a little power they head for
everyone else's bedroom.
JohnN
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