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"Precision" |
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16 Nov 2005 05:16:23 AM |
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Isaac Newton's Secrets |
Did you know that according to a documentary on NOVA now playing on a public
education broadcast channel KQED Channel 9, and verified on the world wide
web, the scientist Sir Isaac Newton believed...
- God exists;
- the Bible is the truth;
- the Trinity is a false doctrine and heresy in the Christian church;
- the Trinity violates the first commandment in the Bible not to worship
false Gods since Trinitarians worship the Father, Son and Holy Spirit;
- the book of Revelation in the Bible if interpreted correctly based on a
complete study of the Bible, reveals mathematically that the year 2060 is
the year of the great war of Armageddon prophesied in that book.
Although many of us who enjoyed higher educations might take basic history
for granted, and we know the importance and influence of Sir Isaac Newton on
modern science and physics, for the benefit of those NOT knowledgeable about
this scientist:
(http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/biography/Newton.html)
(QUOTE) "NEWTON, ISAAC (1642-1727) English physicist and mathematician who
was born into a poor farming family. Luckily for humanity, Newton was not a
good farmer, and was sent to Cambridge to study to become a preacher. At
Cambridge, Newton studied mathematics, being especially strongly influenced
by Euclid, although he was also influenced by Baconian and Cartesian
philosophies. Newton was forced to leave Cambridge when it was closed
because of the plague, and it was during this period that he made some of
his most significant discoveries. . ."(/QUOTE)
The article, worth reading in its entirety, goes on to chronicle Newton's
accomplishments: ". . .Newton formulated the classical theories of mechanics
and optics and invented calculus years before Leibniz. . .Newton
single-handedly contributed more to the development of science than any
other individual in history. He surpassed all the gains brought about by the
great scientific minds of antiquity, producing a scheme of the universe
which was more consistent, elegant, and intuitive than any proposed before.
Newton stated explicit principles of scientific methods which applied
universally to all branches of science. This was in sharp contradistinction
to the earlier methodologies of Aristotle and Aquinas, which had outlined
separate methods for different disciplines."
The truth that especially shocks atheists about Sir Isaac Newton is his
belief in God.
(QUOTE) "Although his methodology was strictly logical, Newton still
believed deeply in the necessity of a God. His theological views are
characterized by his belief that the beauty and regularity of the natural
world could only "proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent
and powerful Being." He felt that "the Supreme God exists necessarily, and
by the same necessity he exists always and everywhere." Newton believed that
God periodically intervened to keep the universe going on track. He
therefore denied the importance of Leibniz's vis viva as nothing more than
an interesting quantity which remained constant in elastic collisions and
therefore had no physical importance or meaning." (/QUOTE)
What about Newton's calculations based on the cryptic prophesies in the
Bible including Revelation about God's establishment of a kingdom on Earth?
(http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/newton_alchemist.html)
(QUOTE)"Newton predicts end of world for 2060
"Sir Isaac Newton attained scientific immortality for formulating the law of
gravity, but he was also a theologian who wrote more than one million words
on biblical subjects and was influenced by Hebrew scripture, according to
academic articles on his work. He studied the Bible for more than 50 years,
trying to unravel what he believed were God's secret laws of the universe.
"Six years after his death, a book by the scientist about eschatology (the
end of the world, in this case as revealed by the Bible) was published, On
the Prophecies of Daniel and the Apocalypse of Saint John.
"However, most of his notes on the theme remained unknown, but in recent
years a document has been found in a Newton collection in the Jewish
National Library in Jerusalem that shows he set 2060 as the year the world
would expire. The Newton Project, and in particular the academic, Stephen
Snobelen, have been working on Newton's documents and have revealed that
Newton concluded that Armageddon - a last great battle, would occur in 2060,
with plagues, the return of Christ, and the end of time. Newton wrote that
this apocalypse would be followed by a 1,000-year reign by the saints on
Earth.
"Newton stated: 'This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall
be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fanciful men who are
frequently predicting the time of the end, and by doing so bring the sacred
prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail.'"(/QUOTE)
What about Newton's controversial view that the Trinity is a false doctrine
and violates the first commandment in the Bible?
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton)
(QUOTE) "In the 1690s Newton wrote a number of religious tracts dealing with
the literal interpretation of the Bible. Henry More's belief in the infinity
of the universe and rejection of Cartesian dualism may have influenced
Newton's religious ideas. A manuscript he sent to John Locke in which he
disputed the existence of the Trinity was never published. Later works - The
Chronology of Ancient Kingdoms Amended (1728) and Observations Upon the
Prophecies of Daniel and the Apocalypse of St. John (1733) - were published
after his death." (/QUOTE)
According to the documentary "Newton's Dark Secrets" on NOVA (a PBS
broadcasting affiliate) that I watched from 8-9pm tonight on KQED channel 9
(Dish Network Satellite) Newton's shocking revelation to the Church was that
the Trinity doctrine constitutes heresy, indeed apostasy, and a form of
idolatry that violates God's first commandment.
Do research on the web about Sir Isaac Newton and you'll recognize him as a
scientist and enlightened Christian who discovered this universal TRUTH: God
and science are NOT exclusive. God created science and defined the very laws
of physics. The fabric of space and time is inseparable with God.
I welcome your comments and hope this leads to a productive
point/counterpoint discussion where we all share our opinions, support our
opinions with good references and at least consider each other's point of
view.
Take care.
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| User: "Yournameheres personal Cthulhu" |
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| Title: Re: Isaac Newton's Secrets |
17 Nov 2005 02:25:21 PM |
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"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> suddenly spluttered:
The truth that especially shocks atheists about Sir Isaac Newton is his
belief in God.
Nice try, *****, but you obviously don't even begin to comprehend
what science is about. No, nothing shocks this atheist about what
Newton did/believed in whilst he wasn't at work. IT DOESN'T MAKE A
BLIND SCRAP OF DIFFERENCE to his findings and work around physics and
mathematics.
What in hell's name makes you think anybody is an atheist because they
think all scientists are? Do you ever think anything through before
saying it or are you so shameless that you don't care how stupid you
look?
Now, remind us which circle of hell liars like you are supposed to be
sent to.
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Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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| Title: Re: Isaac Newton's Secrets |
16 Nov 2005 02:12:42 PM |
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"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote in
news:1132118351_15657@spool6-east.superfeed.net:
Did you know that according to a documentary on NOVA now playing on a
public education broadcast channel KQED Channel 9, and verified on the
world wide web, the scientist Sir Isaac Newton believed...
- God exists;
- the Bible is the truth;
- the Trinity is a false doctrine and heresy in the Christian church;
- the Trinity violates the first commandment in the Bible not to
worship false Gods since Trinitarians worship the Father, Son and Holy
Spirit; - the book of Revelation in the Bible if interpreted correctly
based on a complete study of the Bible, reveals mathematically that
the year 2060 is the year of the great war of Armageddon prophesied in
that book.
He was gay and a alchemist, too. Big deal. It's his scientific ideas
that survived the scientific method that matter.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul (1988)
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Isaac Newton's Secrets |
17 Nov 2005 10:55:41 AM |
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On 16 Nov 2005 14:12:42 GMT in alt.atheism, Enkidu the Atheist
(Enkidu the Atheist <enkidu@leaddogs.org>) said, directing the reply
to alt.atheism
"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote in
news:1132118351_15657@spool6-east.superfeed.net:
Did you know that according to a documentary on NOVA now playing on a
public education broadcast channel KQED Channel 9, and verified on the
world wide web, the scientist Sir Isaac Newton believed...
- God exists;
- the Bible is the truth;
- the Trinity is a false doctrine and heresy in the Christian church;
- the Trinity violates the first commandment in the Bible not to
worship false Gods since Trinitarians worship the Father, Son and Holy
Spirit; - the book of Revelation in the Bible if interpreted correctly
based on a complete study of the Bible, reveals mathematically that
the year 2060 is the year of the great war of Armageddon prophesied in
that book.
He was gay and a alchemist, too. Big deal. It's his scientific ideas
that survived the scientific method that matter.
And let's not forget that he denied the divinity of Christ, and while
this isn't necessarily connected, was by all accounts a bit of a *****
as a human being.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Isaac Newton's Secrets |
17 Nov 2005 12:34:30 PM |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:55:41 +0000, Therion Ware wrote:
On 16 Nov 2005 14:12:42 GMT in alt.atheism, Enkidu the Atheist
(Enkidu the Atheist <enkidu@leaddogs.org>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote in
news:1132118351_15657@spool6-east.superfeed.net:
Did you know that according to a documentary on NOVA now playing on a
public education broadcast channel KQED Channel 9, and verified on the
world wide web, the scientist Sir Isaac Newton believed...
- God exists;
- the Bible is the truth;
- the Trinity is a false doctrine and heresy in the Christian church; -
the Trinity violates the first commandment in the Bible not to worship
false Gods since Trinitarians worship the Father, Son and Holy Spirit;
- the book of Revelation in the Bible if interpreted correctly based on
a complete study of the Bible, reveals mathematically that the year
2060 is the year of the great war of Armageddon prophesied in that
book.
He was gay and a alchemist, too. Big deal. It's his scientific ideas
that survived the scientific method that matter.
And let's not forget that he denied the divinity of Christ, and while this
isn't necessarily connected, was by all accounts a bit of a ***** as a
human being.
And don't forget about Henry Cavendish, who discovered the element
hydrogen, and devised a method for calculating the mass of the earth,
making it possible to determine a value for the gravitational
proportionality constant in Newton's equations. He was so neurotic, he
had to communicate with his own household staff by writing notes.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Isaac Newton's Secrets |
17 Nov 2005 01:08:44 PM |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:34:30 GMT in alt.atheism, MarkA (MarkA
<manthony@stopspam.net>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:55:41 +0000, Therion Ware wrote:
On 16 Nov 2005 14:12:42 GMT in alt.atheism, Enkidu the Atheist
(Enkidu the Atheist <enkidu@leaddogs.org>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote in
news:1132118351_15657@spool6-east.superfeed.net:
Did you know that according to a documentary on NOVA now playing on a
public education broadcast channel KQED Channel 9, and verified on the
world wide web, the scientist Sir Isaac Newton believed...
- God exists;
- the Bible is the truth;
- the Trinity is a false doctrine and heresy in the Christian church; -
the Trinity violates the first commandment in the Bible not to worship
false Gods since Trinitarians worship the Father, Son and Holy Spirit;
- the book of Revelation in the Bible if interpreted correctly based on
a complete study of the Bible, reveals mathematically that the year
2060 is the year of the great war of Armageddon prophesied in that
book.
He was gay and a alchemist, too. Big deal. It's his scientific ideas
that survived the scientific method that matter.
And let's not forget that he denied the divinity of Christ, and while this
isn't necessarily connected, was by all accounts a bit of a ***** as a
human being.
And don't forget about Henry Cavendish, who discovered the element
hydrogen, and devised a method for calculating the mass of the earth,
making it possible to determine a value for the gravitational
proportionality constant in Newton's equations. He was so neurotic, he
had to communicate with his own household staff by writing notes.
Heh.
And I have it on good authority (someone who knew him at the time, and
is still at Cambridge) that one of the discoverers of DNA was a wife
beater.
Which just goes to show that being bright isn't necessarily a
guarantee of character.... as I daily endeavour to demonstrate....
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"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
#442. www.video2cd.co.uk. Your 8mm films on DVD.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Isaac Newton's Secrets |
16 Nov 2005 04:27:50 PM |
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"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote in message
news:1132118351_15657@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
Did you know that according to a documentary on NOVA now playing on a
public education broadcast channel KQED Channel 9, and verified on the
world wide web, the scientist Sir Isaac Newton believed...
- God exists;
- the Bible is the truth;
- the Trinity is a false doctrine and heresy in the Christian church;
- the Trinity violates the first commandment in the Bible not to worship
false Gods since Trinitarians worship the Father, Son and Holy Spirit;
- the book of Revelation in the Bible if interpreted correctly based on a
complete study of the Bible, reveals mathematically that the year 2060 is
the year of the great war of Armageddon prophesied in that book.
So what?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Katt" |
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17 Nov 2005 01:06:05 AM |
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"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote in message news:1132118351_15657
Do research on the web about Sir Isaac Newton and you'll recognize him as
a scientist and enlightened Christian who discovered this universal TRUTH:
God and science are NOT exclusive.
-- And yet, somehow, science has *wiped the floor* with you idiots and your
non-existent 'god' in *medicine*, *physics*, *astronomy*, *biology*,
*biochemistry*, *zoology*, *geology*, *virology*, *meteorology*,
*sociobiology*, *sexology*, *astrophysics*, *psychology*, *neuropsychology*,
*microbiology*, *anthropology*, *geogeny*, *geochronology* and *cosmology*
since the day each of those disciplines was founded...!!!
Face it, chuckles: you're *fucked*. You people and your ludicrous Bronze-Age
myths have all got your own special mention in the literature of
*garbology*, and *that's all*.
Katt.
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| User: "Katt" |
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17 Nov 2005 01:12:59 PM |
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"mcv" <mcvmcv@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
news:437c571a$0$11064$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
In talk.origins Katt <kahgfghttt@t.com> wrote:
"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote in message news:1132118351_15657
Do research on the web about Sir Isaac Newton and you'll recognize him
as
a scientist and enlightened Christian who discovered this universal
TRUTH:
God and science are NOT exclusive.
-- And yet, somehow, science has *wiped the floor* with you idiots and
your
non-existent 'god' in *medicine*, *physics*, *astronomy*, *biology*,
*biochemistry*, *zoology*, *geology*, *virology*, *meteorology*,
*sociobiology*, *sexology*, *astrophysics*, *psychology*,
*neuropsychology*,
*microbiology*, *anthropology*, *geogeny*, *geochronology* and
*cosmology*
since the day each of those disciplines was founded...!!!
Really? I don't think any of those disciplines says anything whatsoever
about God.
Typical ignorant usenet twat. 'I don't think any of those disciplines says
anything whatsoever about God' -- meaning 'I'm just gonna ignore the fact
that for thousands of years, and right up to modern times, 'religion' set
itself and its fake 'insights' *right at the centre* of all the areas of
life and knowledge that these disciplines now cover without its help. You
stupid fucking boob: you try and lecture me about 'science' and
'religion' -- when you are *a disgrace to human knowledge*.
Except possibly geogeny, because I have no idea what that is.
Now there's a big fucking surprise.
Please do not confuse science with religion. It corrupts them both.
Listen, cretin: let someone who actually went to school point out to you
that 'religion' has retreated from the territory now occupied by all those
fields, and has gradually and painfully had to abandon the illusion that its
'teaching' allows one to interpret, predict or control the phenomena that
these fields now illuminate. And what 'religious' people are left with is a
'god' that *doesn't do anything* and a 'faith' that *retreats into solipsism
or denial* the moment any empirical contradiction of it is unearthed.
The 'god' they now have has been so reduced by science that basically it has
only two properties: (i) *it really, really, definitely exists, yes siree
Bob*; and (ii) *claims for its existence can't be tested*. If anything
happens that seems to be about to undermine this pathetic rump of primitive
and infantile superstition, then *they move the goalposts again*.
Apart from that, they've got *nothing left*. And neither have you.
Get over it.
Katt.
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| User: "Katt" |
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| Title: Re: Isaac Newton's Secrets |
17 Nov 2005 03:14:38 PM |
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"thissteve" <thissteve@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1132232632.302491.281190@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Katt wrote:
Listen, cretin: let someone who actually went to school
The person you're talking to went to school, therefore you are wrong
and we can wipe your whole post from consideration.
It's better to make a few correct statements than to sling bile
randomly. This is how to deal with a bile-spewer: single out one
piece of idiocy and throw out the rest.
And now, to break my own advice, I'll deal with the rest:
From what you go on to post, it's clear that you *aren't capable* of any
such thing.
Replace "religion" with "philosophy" in your posts and see what
happens. Kant thought that space and time were separate.
So fucking what? He was writing in the 18th century -- and philosophers in
the 21st century don't hide in desperate solipsism, pathetic denial, or
dishonest goalpost-shifting when his inevitable error is pointed out.
Aristotle
was wrong about nearly everything.
Again: So what? 'Aristotelianism' is extinct and has no followers except in
an academic, 'history of thought' sense. And if 'religion' had been allowed
to die in the same natural way, do you think you'd ever hear a fucking
utterance from me??
But you don't fling your verbal manure at philosophers, do you? You
fling it at your enemy--the "religious types."
You are demented. Stop appeasing religious stupidity just because you were
brought up in a society that's knee-deep in it. For my part, I will begin to
insult and denounce untenable and outdated 'philosophy' on the day that a
Schopenhauerian flies a plane into a tall building, an Epicurean shoots a
doctor at an abortion clinic, and a Logical Positivist starts
enthusiastically chopping the foreskins off tiny babies.
Aristotle believes that men have more teeth than do women. Philosophy.
Although he marries twice, he doesn't think he has any need to actually
count the teeth of either wife. Philosophy. Someone eventually thinks of
counting the teeth of a goodly sample of women and finds that they have just
as many teeth as do men. *Science*. And at that point, 'philosophy'
*retreats*: Aristotle's 'insight' is *abandoned* --
and because this is philosophy rather than religion, *nowhere* in the modern
world do you ever find deluded 'Aristotelians' running schools where they
can force their counter-factual, 2,350-year-old crap into the heads of
children under the age of 6; or demanding that their 'organisations' get tax
breaks and TV channels and a seat at the tables of power on the grounds that
their inherited supply of accumulated ***** is somehow 'still basically
correct and relevant and full of valuable truth'.
Now ******* and get an education.
Katt.
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17 Nov 2005 04:29:58 PM |
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"Katt" <kahgfghttt@t.com> suddenly spluttered:
"thissteve" <thissteve@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1132232632.302491.281190@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Katt wrote:
Listen, cretin: let someone who actually went to school
The person you're talking to went to school, therefore you are wrong
and we can wipe your whole post from consideration.
It's better to make a few correct statements than to sling bile
randomly. This is how to deal with a bile-spewer: single out one
piece of idiocy and throw out the rest.
And now, to break my own advice, I'll deal with the rest:
From what you go on to post, it's clear that you *aren't capable* of any
such thing.
Replace "religion" with "philosophy" in your posts and see what
happens. Kant thought that space and time were separate.
So fucking what? He was writing in the 18th century -- and philosophers in
the 21st century don't hide in desperate solipsism, pathetic denial, or
dishonest goalpost-shifting when his inevitable error is pointed out.
Aristotle
was wrong about nearly everything.
Again: So what? 'Aristotelianism' is extinct and has no followers except in
an academic, 'history of thought' sense. And if 'religion' had been allowed
to die in the same natural way, do you think you'd ever hear a fucking
utterance from me??
But you don't fling your verbal manure at philosophers, do you? You
fling it at your enemy--the "religious types."
You are demented. Stop appeasing religious stupidity just because you were
brought up in a society that's knee-deep in it. For my part, I will begin to
insult and denounce untenable and outdated 'philosophy' on the day that a
Schopenhauerian flies a plane into a tall building, an Epicurean shoots a
doctor at an abortion clinic, and a Logical Positivist starts
enthusiastically chopping the foreskins off tiny babies.
Aristotle believes that men have more teeth than do women. Philosophy.
Although he marries twice, he doesn't think he has any need to actually
count the teeth of either wife. Philosophy. Someone eventually thinks of
counting the teeth of a goodly sample of women and finds that they have just
as many teeth as do men. *Science*. And at that point, 'philosophy'
*retreats*: Aristotle's 'insight' is *abandoned* --
and because this is philosophy rather than religion, *nowhere* in the modern
world do you ever find deluded 'Aristotelians' running schools where they
can force their counter-factual, 2,350-year-old crap into the heads of
children under the age of 6; or demanding that their 'organisations' get tax
breaks and TV channels and a seat at the tables of power on the grounds that
their inherited supply of accumulated ***** is somehow 'still basically
correct and relevant and full of valuable truth'.
Now ******* and get an education.
Katt.
<waits for rapturous applause to die down>
What you said. In capitals.
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Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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| Title: Re: Isaac Newton's Secrets |
16 Nov 2005 05:00:34 PM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, Precision poured fuel on the fire
with the following:
Did you know that according to a documentary on NOVA now playing on a public
education broadcast channel KQED Channel 9, and verified on the world wide
web, the scientist Sir Isaac Newton believed...
- God exists;
- the Bible is the truth;
- the Trinity is a false doctrine and heresy in the Christian church;
- the Trinity violates the first commandment in the Bible not to worship
false Gods since Trinitarians worship the Father, Son and Holy Spirit;
- the book of Revelation in the Bible if interpreted correctly based on a
complete study of the Bible, reveals mathematically that the year 2060 is
the year of the great war of Armageddon prophesied in that book.
Newton also believed that a philosopher's stone existed which could turn
base metals into gold.
http://www.smithsonianmag.si.edu/smithsonian/issues00/dec00/newton.html
Although many of us who enjoyed higher educations might take basic history
for granted, and we know the importance and influence of Sir Isaac Newton on
modern science and physics, for the benefit of those NOT knowledgeable about
this scientist:
It's too bad that YOUR "higher education" did not include Logic 101.
....
The truth that especially shocks atheists about Sir Isaac Newton is his
belief in God.
Nah. It is well known that Newton had some strange ideas.
....
Do research on the web about Sir Isaac Newton and you'll recognize him as a
scientist and enlightened Christian who discovered this universal TRUTH: God
and science are NOT exclusive. God created science and defined the very laws
of physics. The fabric of space and time is inseparable with God.
Newton could not have "discovered" this, because the Christian deity is
a fallacy.
http://tinyurl.com/4gby
http://tinyurl.com/qg1e
Regards,
Josef
I can calculate the motions of the heavenly bodies, but not the
madness of people.
-- Isaac Newton
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16 Nov 2005 04:17:11 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 21:16:23 -0800, "Precision" <precision@Usenet.com>
wrote:
Did you know that according to a documentary on NOVA now playing on a public
education broadcast channel KQED Channel 9, and verified on the world wide
web, the scientist Sir Isaac Newton believed...
- God exists;
- the Bible is the truth;
- the Trinity is a false doctrine and heresy in the Christian church;
- the Trinity violates the first commandment in the Bible not to worship
false Gods since Trinitarians worship the Father, Son and Holy Spirit;
- the book of Revelation in the Bible if interpreted correctly based on a
complete study of the Bible, reveals mathematically that the year 2060 is
the year of the great war of Armageddon prophesied in that book.
Newton also believed in alchemy and astrology. Your point was...?
---
"This is how liberty dies: with thunderous applause"
- Padme Amidala, Episode III
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| User: "MarkA" |
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16 Nov 2005 08:59:25 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 21:16:23 -0800, Precision wrote:
Did you know that according to a documentary on NOVA now playing on a public
education broadcast channel KQED Channel 9, and verified on the world wide
web, the scientist Sir Isaac Newton believed...
- God exists;
- the Bible is the truth;
- the Trinity is a false doctrine and heresy in the Christian church;
- the Trinity violates the first commandment in the Bible not to worship
false Gods since Trinitarians worship the Father, Son and Holy Spirit;
- the book of Revelation in the Bible if interpreted correctly based on a
complete study of the Bible, reveals mathematically that the year 2060 is
the year of the great war of Armageddon prophesied in that book.
Sir Issac Newton was a nut. Brilliant in physics, but still a nut.
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MarkA
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| User: "Witziges Rätsel" |
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16 Nov 2005 11:07:55 PM |
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Did you know that according to a documentary on NOVA now playing on a
public
education broadcast channel KQED Channel 9, and verified on the world
wide
web, the scientist Sir Isaac Newton believed...
- God exists;
- the Bible is the truth;
- the Trinity is a false doctrine and heresy in the Christian church;
- the Trinity violates the first commandment in the Bible not to worship
false Gods since Trinitarians worship the Father, Son and Holy Spirit;
- the book of Revelation in the Bible if interpreted correctly based on a
complete study of the Bible, reveals mathematically that the year 2060 is
the year of the great war of Armageddon prophesied in that book.
Sir Issac Newton was a nut. Brilliant in physics, but still a nut.
Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes the bear eats you.
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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| Title: Re: Isaac Newton's Secrets |
16 Nov 2005 06:20:59 AM |
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Precision wrote:
Did you know that according to a documentary on NOVA now playing on a
public education broadcast channel KQED Channel 9, and verified on the
world wide web, the scientist Sir Isaac Newton believed...
- God exists; [...]
Like pretty much everyone in his time. So what?
Feeble attempt at "argument from authority", sir. I've seen much better
ones.
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"To his friend a man a friend shall prove,
And gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer,
And fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: Isaac Newton's Secrets |
16 Nov 2005 06:22:50 AM |
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Precision wrote:
Did you know that according to a documentary on NOVA now playing on a public
education broadcast channel KQED Channel 9, and verified on the world wide
web, the scientist Sir Isaac Newton believed...
- God exists;
- the Bible is the truth;
- the Trinity is a false doctrine and heresy in the Christian church;
- the Trinity violates the first commandment in the Bible not to worship
false Gods since Trinitarians worship the Father, Son and Holy Spirit;
- the book of Revelation in the Bible if interpreted correctly based on a
complete study of the Bible, reveals mathematically that the year 2060 is
the year of the great war of Armageddon prophesied in that book.
Although many of us who enjoyed higher educations might take basic history
for granted, and we know the importance and influence of Sir Isaac Newton on
modern science and physics, for the benefit of those NOT knowledgeable about
this scientist:
(http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/biography/Newton.html)
(QUOTE) "NEWTON, ISAAC (1642-1727) English physicist and mathematician who
was born into a poor farming family. Luckily for humanity, Newton was not a
good farmer, and was sent to Cambridge to study to become a preacher. At
Cambridge, Newton studied mathematics, being especially strongly influenced
by Euclid, although he was also influenced by Baconian and Cartesian
philosophies. Newton was forced to leave Cambridge when it was closed
because of the plague, and it was during this period that he made some of
his most significant discoveries. . ."(/QUOTE)
The article, worth reading in its entirety, goes on to chronicle Newton's
accomplishments: ". . .Newton formulated the classical theories of mechanics
and optics and invented calculus years before Leibniz. . .Newton
single-handedly contributed more to the development of science than any
other individual in history. He surpassed all the gains brought about by the
great scientific minds of antiquity, producing a scheme of the universe
which was more consistent, elegant, and intuitive than any proposed before.
Newton stated explicit principles of scientific methods which applied
universally to all branches of science. This was in sharp contradistinction
to the earlier methodologies of Aristotle and Aquinas, which had outlined
separate methods for different disciplines."
The truth that especially shocks atheists about Sir Isaac Newton is his
belief in God.
(QUOTE) "Although his methodology was strictly logical, Newton still
believed deeply in the necessity of a God. His theological views are
characterized by his belief that the beauty and regularity of the natural
world could only "proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent
and powerful Being." He felt that "the Supreme God exists necessarily, and
by the same necessity he exists always and everywhere." Newton believed that
God periodically intervened to keep the universe going on track. He
therefore denied the importance of Leibniz's vis viva as nothing more than
an interesting quantity which remained constant in elastic collisions and
therefore had no physical importance or meaning." (/QUOTE)
What about Newton's calculations based on the cryptic prophesies in the
Bible including Revelation about God's establishment of a kingdom on Earth?
(http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/newton_alchemist.html)
(QUOTE)"Newton predicts end of world for 2060
"Sir Isaac Newton attained scientific immortality for formulating the law of
gravity, but he was also a theologian who wrote more than one million words
on biblical subjects and was influenced by Hebrew scripture, according to
academic articles on his work. He studied the Bible for more than 50 years,
trying to unravel what he believed were God's secret laws of the universe.
"Six years after his death, a book by the scientist about eschatology (the
end of the world, in this case as revealed by the Bible) was published, On
the Prophecies of Daniel and the Apocalypse of Saint John.
"However, most of his notes on the theme remained unknown, but in recent
years a document has been found in a Newton collection in the Jewish
National Library in Jerusalem that shows he set 2060 as the year the world
would expire. The Newton Project, and in particular the academic, Stephen
Snobelen, have been working on Newton's documents and have revealed that
Newton concluded that Armageddon - a last great battle, would occur in 2060,
with plagues, the return of Christ, and the end of time. Newton wrote that
this apocalypse would be followed by a 1,000-year reign by the saints on
Earth.
"Newton stated: 'This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall
be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fanciful men who are
frequently predicting the time of the end, and by doing so bring the sacred
prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail.'"(/QUOTE)
What about Newton's controversial view that the Trinity is a false doctrine
and violates the first commandment in the Bible?
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton)
(QUOTE) "In the 1690s Newton wrote a number of religious tracts dealing with
the literal interpretation of the Bible. Henry More's belief in the infinity
of the universe and rejection of Cartesian dualism may have influenced
Newton's religious ideas. A manuscript he sent to John Locke in which he
disputed the existence of the Trinity was never published. Later works - The
Chronology of Ancient Kingdoms Amended (1728) and Observations Upon the
Prophecies of Daniel and the Apocalypse of St. John (1733) - were published
after his death." (/QUOTE)
According to the documentary "Newton's Dark Secrets" on NOVA (a PBS
broadcasting affiliate) that I watched from 8-9pm tonight on KQED channel 9
(Dish Network Satellite) Newton's shocking revelation to the Church was that
the Trinity doctrine constitutes heresy, indeed apostasy, and a form of
idolatry that violates God's first commandment.
Do research on the web about Sir Isaac Newton and you'll recognize him as a
scientist and enlightened Christian who discovered this universal TRUTH: God
and science are NOT exclusive. God created science and defined the very laws
of physics. The fabric of space and time is inseparable with God.
I welcome your comments and hope this leads to a productive
point/counterpoint discussion where we all share our opinions, support our
opinions with good references and at least consider each other's point of
view.
Take care.
"1 That religion & Philosophy are to be preserved distinct. We are not
to introduce divine revelations into Philosophy, nor philosophical
opinions into religion."
http://www.newtonproject.ic.ac.uk/texts/keynes006_n.html
The Principia : Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy
(Paperback)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520088174/
by Isaac Newton, I. Bernard Cohen (Translator), Anne Whitman
(Translator)
Isaac Newton
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.philosophy/msg/dcdc955a5bf978a0
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Isaac Newton's Secrets |
16 Nov 2005 03:49:36 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Precision"
<precision@Usenet.com> posting the following on Tue, 15 Nov 2005
21:16:23 -0800 iin alt.atheism?
Did you know that according to a documentary on NOVA now playing on a public
education broadcast channel KQED Channel 9, and verified on the world wide
web, the scientist Sir Isaac Newton believed...
He also believe that he was on the verge of turning lead into gold,
and any number of silly things.
Brilliant mathematician. That's about it.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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