Islam does not fit into a "multicultural" society. It may fit into a
multi-barbarian society for sure.

Rubbish. Fisk is one of the best journos we have

We have Apathied in UK now with Asian nights only at swimming pools
etc. Really like to see a Muslim win Olypic swimming in their Nuns
costume.

You see this is where your argument falls apart. Islam gets a lot of
defenders at the moment because too many people think that a handful of
crazies wanting to kill everyone means that they all feel the same way.

jackkincaid wrote:

And the hypocrisy of those who denigrate and ridicule Christianity,

or

Judaism or Hinduism, but never ever have a bad word to say about
Islam, frankly disgust me - especially given the slaughter currently
being carried out worldwide in Islam's name. They are cowards and
hypocrites.

You see this is where your argument falls apart. Islam gets a lot of
defenders at the moment because too many people think that a handful of
crazies wanting to kill everyone means that they all feel the same way.
I have no problem with criticising elements of whatever faith you like
- or even the concept of faith.

But this isn't a criticism of Islam being levelled at it, itys blind
hatred from people who see all muslims as being barbarians or
terrorists. Which the vast majority of them are not.

I don't want to victimise Muslims - far from it; I want to save them
from further victimisation by the 'guardians' of their creed, and the
likes of Livingstone who will forever associate them with fascists
like Qaradawi in the UK public's mind - but I want their religion,

its

history, the things for which it stands, discussed openly and
candidly, from a secular perspective, as every other religion may be.

Why is this so frightening? You aren't a Muslim; unless I miss my
guess, you wouldn't convert to Islam in a million years. Therefore

you

have made a judgement that Islam is an inferior way of thinking, of
being, for you; you are, in the true sense of the word, an
Islamaphobe, as are we all unless we are Muslims. In which case, why
are you so scared of announcing it? Why are you so frightened of
giving offence to followers of this religious ideology (this bubndle
of half baked abstract dead ideas) when I doubt you'd think twice
about condemning or criticising, or at least talking about, any other
(bundle of equally silly and dead ideas)?

Again, noone is trying to say that open criticism of Islam, or
Christianity, or whatever faith you like, is wrong. I think that
Qaradawi and his followers are cretins.

But its a free country and
until he commits any crimes he should be as free to express his
opinions as you or I - isn't that one of the freedoms that is the
foundation of our society?

I am not afraid of muslims, and I think that many of their customs and
beliefs are wrong. But that doesn't mean that I don't respect their
faith.

The idea that Islamic tradition means that all British muslims
beat their wives or want to kill us is a nonsense - defending them
against this kind of slur does not mean that I agree with everything
they say or do.

ian

I am not afraid of muslims, and I think that many of their customs and
beliefs are wrong. But that doesn't mean that I don't respect their
faith. The idea that Islamic tradition means that all British muslims
beat their wives or want to kill us is a nonsense - defending them
against this kind of slur does not mean that I agree with everything
they say or do.

ian