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User: "Gary DeWaay"
Date: 05 Jul 2005 09:45:05 AM
Object: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies?

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/7/5/2477/92953
Funny how the wingers try to claim American liberals are in league with
crazy fundamentalist Muslims.
Reality is, we hate everything Islamic fundamentalism stands for. On the
other hand, the Dobson's of the Republican Party -- you know, the people
running the show -- have far more in common with the enemy than they'd
ever like to admit.
Religion in government
Al Qaida/Taliban: One and the same
American Taliban: One and the same
Liberals: Separation of church and state
Schools
Al Qaida/Taliban: Religious indoctrination. Run by clergy.
American Taliban: School prayer. Religious indoctrination (creationism
and "intelligent design"). Private religious school system.
Liberals: Leave religious teachings to parents and sunday school.
Women
Al Qaida/Taliban: No school, must cover entire body, no rights
American Taliban: Government control over reproductive freedoms,
hostility to Title IX, hostility to working women
Liberals: Equality of the sexes
Religious freedom
Al Qaida/Taliban: 'Think like us, or we'll whiip you and/or chop off
your head'
American Taliban: 'Think like us, or we'll condemn you to hell'
Liberals: To each her own
Homosexuality
Al Qaida/Taliban: Eradicate them from society
American Taliban: Eradicate them from society
Liberals: Equality under the law
Torture
Al Qaida/Taliban: Torture them or chop off their heads
American Taliban: Torture them or homosexually rape them.
Liberals: No torture
Medicine and Science
Al Qaida/Taliban: Faith-based world view
American Taliban: Faith-based world view
Liberals: Reality-based community
.

User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 05 Jul 2005 10:51:52 AM
Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in
news:MPG.1d3458e74ebbe4bf98a3ae@news.midco.net:


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/7/5/2477/92953


Funny how the wingers try to claim American liberals are in league
with crazy fundamentalist Muslims.

Reality is, we hate everything Islamic fundamentalism stands for. On
the other hand, the Dobson's of the Republican Party -- you know, the
people running the show -- have far more in common with the enemy than
they'd ever like to admit.

Religion in government

Al Qaida/Taliban: One and the same
American Taliban: One and the same
Liberals: Separation of church and state

So putting up a monument is equivalent to running the whole country from
the mosque.

Schools

Al Qaida/Taliban: Religious indoctrination. Run by clergy.
American Taliban: School prayer. Religious indoctrination
(creationism and "intelligent design"). Private religious school
system. Liberals: Leave religious teachings to parents and sunday
school.

Women

Al Qaida/Taliban: No school, must cover entire body, no rights
American Taliban: Government control over reproductive freedoms,
hostility to Title IX, hostility to working women
Liberals: Equality of the sexes

So reasonable regulation of abortion is equivalent to forced
clitorectomies and stoning for being raped.

Religious freedom

Al Qaida/Taliban: 'Think like us, or we'll whiip you and/or chop
off your head'
American Taliban: 'Think like us, or we'll condemn you to hell'
Liberals: To each her own

So a mythical threat is equivalent to actual torture and execution.

Homosexuality

Al Qaida/Taliban: Eradicate them from society
American Taliban: Eradicate them from society
Liberals: Equality under the law

So opposition to gay marriage is equivalent to stoning gays.


Torture

Al Qaida/Taliban: Torture them or chop off their heads
American Taliban: Torture them or homosexually rape them.
Liberals: No torture

So turning off the air conditioning is equivalent to breaking a
prisoner's fingers.

Medicine and Science

Al Qaida/Taliban: Faith-based world view
American Taliban: Faith-based world view
Liberals: Reality-based community

So when Liberals politicize science that's OK and when Conservatives
object to the way Liberals polticize science, that's politicizing
science.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
.
User: "Gary DeWaay"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 05 Jul 2005 12:40:44 PM
Fred Stone's at
wisdom:

Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in
news:MPG.1d3458e74ebbe4bf98a3ae@news.midco.net:


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/7/5/2477/92953


Funny how the wingers try to claim American liberals are in league
with crazy fundamentalist Muslims.

Reality is, we hate everything Islamic fundamentalism stands for. On
the other hand, the Dobson's of the Republican Party -- you know, the
people running the show -- have far more in common with the enemy than
they'd ever like to admit.

Religion in government

Al Qaida/Taliban: One and the same
American Taliban: One and the same
Liberals: Separation of church and state


So putting up a monument is equivalent to running the whole country from
the mosque.

Schools

Al Qaida/Taliban: Religious indoctrination. Run by clergy.
American Taliban: School prayer. Religious indoctrination
(creationism and "intelligent design"). Private religious school
system. Liberals: Leave religious teachings to parents and sunday
school.

Women

Al Qaida/Taliban: No school, must cover entire body, no rights
American Taliban: Government control over reproductive freedoms,
hostility to Title IX, hostility to working women
Liberals: Equality of the sexes


So reasonable regulation of abortion is equivalent to forced
clitorectomies and stoning for being raped.

Religious freedom

Al Qaida/Taliban: 'Think like us, or we'll whiip you and/or chop
off your head'
American Taliban: 'Think like us, or we'll condemn you to hell'
Liberals: To each her own


So a mythical threat is equivalent to actual torture and execution.

Homosexuality

Al Qaida/Taliban: Eradicate them from society
American Taliban: Eradicate them from society
Liberals: Equality under the law


So opposition to gay marriage is equivalent to stoning gays.


Torture

Al Qaida/Taliban: Torture them or chop off their heads
American Taliban: Torture them or homosexually rape them.
Liberals: No torture


So turning off the air conditioning is equivalent to breaking a
prisoner's fingers.

Medicine and Science

Al Qaida/Taliban: Faith-based world view
American Taliban: Faith-based world view
Liberals: Reality-based community


So when Liberals politicize science that's OK and when Conservatives
object to the way Liberals polticize science, that's politicizing
science.

You ARE Bonde's twin brother.
Read the first paragraphs again. The author was not talking equivalency.
Notice the words "far more in common."
HTH.
--
Gary
"Raising fuel efficiency standards by 7.6 mpg would save enough to
eliminate 100% of our gulf oil imports into this country."
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 05 Jul 2005 04:30:53 PM
Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in
news:MPG.1d3482122853b75f98a3b1@news.midco.net:

Fred Stone's at

wisdom:


Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in
news:MPG.1d3458e74ebbe4bf98a3ae@news.midco.net:


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/7/5/2477/92953


Funny how the wingers try to claim American liberals are in league
with crazy fundamentalist Muslims.

Reality is, we hate everything Islamic fundamentalism stands for.
On the other hand, the Dobson's of the Republican Party -- you
know, the people running the show -- have far more in common with
the enemy than they'd ever like to admit.

Religion in government

Al Qaida/Taliban: One and the same
American Taliban: One and the same
Liberals: Separation of church and state


So putting up a monument is equivalent to running the whole country
from the mosque.

Schools

Al Qaida/Taliban: Religious indoctrination. Run by clergy.
American Taliban: School prayer. Religious indoctrination
(creationism and "intelligent design"). Private religious
school system. Liberals: Leave religious teachings to parents
and sunday school.

Women

Al Qaida/Taliban: No school, must cover entire body, no rights
American Taliban: Government control over reproductive
freedoms,
hostility to Title IX, hostility to working women
Liberals: Equality of the sexes


So reasonable regulation of abortion is equivalent to forced
clitorectomies and stoning for being raped.

Religious freedom

Al Qaida/Taliban: 'Think like us, or we'll whiip you and/or
chop off your head'
American Taliban: 'Think like us, or we'll condemn you to hell'
Liberals: To each her own


So a mythical threat is equivalent to actual torture and execution.

Homosexuality

Al Qaida/Taliban: Eradicate them from society
American Taliban: Eradicate them from society
Liberals: Equality under the law


So opposition to gay marriage is equivalent to stoning gays.


Torture

Al Qaida/Taliban: Torture them or chop off their heads
American Taliban: Torture them or homosexually rape them.
Liberals: No torture


So turning off the air conditioning is equivalent to breaking a
prisoner's fingers.

Medicine and Science

Al Qaida/Taliban: Faith-based world view
American Taliban: Faith-based world view
Liberals: Reality-based community


So when Liberals politicize science that's OK and when Conservatives
object to the way Liberals polticize science, that's politicizing
science.



You ARE Bonde's twin brother.

Read the first paragraphs again. The author was not talking
equivalency.

Notice the words "far more in common."

The language used in each of the comparisons is that of equivalency.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
.
User: "Gary DeWaay"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 06 Jul 2005 01:19:41 AM
Fred Stone's at
wisdom:


You ARE Bonde's twin brother.

Read the first paragraphs again. The author was not talking
equivalency.

Notice the words "far more in common."


The language used in each of the comparisons is that of equivalency.

You are Bonde's twin brother, no doubt.
--
Gary
"Raising fuel efficiency standards by 7.6 mpg would save enough to
eliminate 100% of our gulf oil imports into this country."
.
User: "towelie"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 06 Jul 2005 02:08:04 AM
TV's Gary DeWaay wrote:

Fred Stone's at

wisdom:



You ARE Bonde's twin brother.

Read the first paragraphs again. The author was not talking
equivalency.

Notice the words "far more in common."


The language used in each of the comparisons is that of equivalency.


You are Bonde's twin brother, no doubt.

Maybe he's the spawn of Bonde and Duke?
--
Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning.
A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing.
- Maynard James Keenan
The belief in the Christian god... is an appalling nightmare. I reject
the notion that the whole universe was created by this kind of evil
creature who would create such a thing. - Anthony Flew, March 22, 2005
aa #2133
ap #19
.




User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 06 Jul 2005 08:57:19 PM
On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 15:51:52 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following

Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in
news:MPG.1d3458e74ebbe4bf98a3ae@news.midco.net:


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/7/5/2477/92953


Funny how the wingers try to claim American liberals are in league
with crazy fundamentalist Muslims.

Reality is, we hate everything Islamic fundamentalism stands for. On
the other hand, the Dobson's of the Republican Party -- you know, the
people running the show -- have far more in common with the enemy than
they'd ever like to admit.

Religion in government

Al Qaida/Taliban: One and the same
American Taliban: One and the same
Liberals: Separation of church and state


So putting up a monument is equivalent to running the whole country from
the mosque.

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/DirectoryRiseOfDominionismInAmerica.html
You will, of course ignore this.

Women

Al Qaida/Taliban: No school, must cover entire body, no rights
American Taliban: Government control over reproductive freedoms,
hostility to Title IX, hostility to working women
Liberals: Equality of the sexes


So reasonable regulation of abortion is equivalent to forced
clitorectomies and stoning for being raped.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?P1295236B
http://www.religioustolerance.org/reconstr.htm

Religious freedom

Al Qaida/Taliban: 'Think like us, or we'll whiip you and/or chop
off your head'
American Taliban: 'Think like us, or we'll condemn you to hell'
Liberals: To each her own


So a mythical threat is equivalent to actual torture and execution.

See the above links. Pat Robertson once declared that he'd like to
make Christianity mandatory.

Homosexuality

Al Qaida/Taliban: Eradicate them from society
American Taliban: Eradicate them from society
Liberals: Equality under the law


So opposition to gay marriage is equivalent to stoning gays.

Fred, "Eradicate them from society" does mean "deny them marriage
rights." It means criminalizing acts between consenting adults in
private homes. It means that those who attack you don't get
prosecuted.
Go educate yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots
Ask yourself this: If you and your friends were constantly harrassed
by the police, raided, beaten, jailed without charge, week after week
for *years*, how long before you would fight back?

Torture

Al Qaida/Taliban: Torture them or chop off their heads
American Taliban: Torture them or homosexually rape them.
Liberals: No torture


So turning off the air conditioning is equivalent to breaking a
prisoner's fingers.

OK, that's it. Challenge time. Fred, I will fucking fly out to
whereever you live with a friend of mine who is an Army interrogator,
and we'll see how you like standing for nine hours at a time with a
cloth sack over your head. Feel up to it? He demostated some fo the
stress positions to me on his last visit. It's hardly "turning off
the air-conditioning.
Off course, we also just export torture victims when we feel like it.
http://www.unknownnews.org/0503080307rendition.html
Outsourcing torture. How American!

Medicine and Science

Al Qaida/Taliban: Faith-based world view
American Taliban: Faith-based world view
Liberals: Reality-based community


So when Liberals politicize science that's OK and when Conservatives
object to the way Liberals polticize science, that's politicizing
science.

I'm searching for any reference to politics in that comparison. How
about Bush's White House editing EPA reports opn global warming to
make them look better? How about the opposition to stem cell research
while the rest of the world is striding ahead?
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 07 Jul 2005 07:35:54 AM
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:vd2pc1dkm8h3ajvfoe06h9qu8sprluqc7a@4ax.com:

On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 15:51:52 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following

Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in
news:MPG.1d3458e74ebbe4bf98a3ae@news.midco.net:


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/7/5/2477/92953


Funny how the wingers try to claim American liberals are in league
with crazy fundamentalist Muslims.

Reality is, we hate everything Islamic fundamentalism stands for. On
the other hand, the Dobson's of the Republican Party -- you know,
the people running the show -- have far more in common with the
enemy than they'd ever like to admit.

Religion in government

Al Qaida/Taliban: One and the same
American Taliban: One and the same
Liberals: Separation of church and state


So putting up a monument is equivalent to running the whole country
from the mosque.


http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/DirectoryRiseOfDominionismInAm

e

rica.html

You will, of course ignore this.

The Dominionists are a tiny, marginalized sect. They could rise by a
hundred times and still not be a threat to anybody.

Women

Al Qaida/Taliban: No school, must cover entire body, no rights
American Taliban: Government control over reproductive freedoms,
hostility to Title IX, hostility to working women
Liberals: Equality of the sexes


So reasonable regulation of abortion is equivalent to forced
clitorectomies and stoning for being raped.


http://makeashorterlink.com/?P1295236B

http://www.religioustolerance.org/reconstr.htm


Religious freedom

Al Qaida/Taliban: 'Think like us, or we'll whiip you and/or chop
off your head'
American Taliban: 'Think like us, or we'll condemn you to hell'
Liberals: To each her own


So a mythical threat is equivalent to actual torture and execution.


See the above links. Pat Robertson once declared that he'd like to
make Christianity mandatory.

Pat Robertson is a joke, even among right-wing fundies like my mom.

Homosexuality

Al Qaida/Taliban: Eradicate them from society
American Taliban: Eradicate them from society
Liberals: Equality under the law


So opposition to gay marriage is equivalent to stoning gays.


Fred, "Eradicate them from society" does mean "deny them marriage
rights."

Oh, please, try not to exaggerate so blatantly.
It means criminalizing acts between consenting adults in

private homes. It means that those who attack you don't get
prosecuted.

Go educate yourself.

Go get a sense of proportion. It's ridiculous hype like yours that
discredits your own activists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots

Ask yourself this: If you and your friends were constantly harrassed
by the police, raided, beaten, jailed without charge, week after week
for *years*, how long before you would fight back?

Torture

Al Qaida/Taliban: Torture them or chop off their heads
American Taliban: Torture them or homosexually rape them.
Liberals: No torture


So turning off the air conditioning is equivalent to breaking a
prisoner's fingers.


OK, that's it. Challenge time. Fred, I will fucking fly out to
whereever you live with a friend of mine who is an Army interrogator,
and we'll see how you like standing for nine hours at a time with a
cloth sack over your head. Feel up to it? He demostated some fo the
stress positions to me on his last visit. It's hardly "turning off
the air-conditioning.

Of course I wouldn't like it. Duh. Don't be so fucking stupid.

Off course, we also just export torture victims when we feel like it.

http://www.unknownnews.org/0503080307rendition.html

Outsourcing torture. How American!

Medicine and Science

Al Qaida/Taliban: Faith-based world view
American Taliban: Faith-based world view
Liberals: Reality-based community


So when Liberals politicize science that's OK and when Conservatives
object to the way Liberals polticize science, that's politicizing
science.


I'm searching for any reference to politics in that comparison. How
about Bush's White House editing EPA reports opn global warming to
make them look better? How about the opposition to stem cell research
while the rest of the world is striding ahead?

How about liberals hyping reports on the human causes of global warming
to make them sound like an imminent disaster when the science does *NOT*
support that conclusion? How about the fact that stem cell research is
doing just fine in America on private funding, and the opponents can't
touch it because *they don't control the purse strings?*
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
.


User: "towelie"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 06 Jul 2005 01:21:16 AM
TV's Fred Stone wrote:

Religion in government

Al Qaida/Taliban: One and the same
American Taliban: One and the same
Liberals: Separation of church and state


So putting up a monument is equivalent to running the whole country from
the mosque.

The American Taliban does not stop at putting up monuments. They want
complete control of the country, with the Bible as source of law, rather
than the Constitution.

Women

Al Qaida/Taliban: No school, must cover entire body, no rights
American Taliban: Government control over reproductive freedoms,
hostility to Title IX, hostility to working women
Liberals: Equality of the sexes


So reasonable regulation of abortion is equivalent to forced
clitorectomies and stoning for being raped.

Complete ban of all abortion is far from reasonable.

Religious freedom

Al Qaida/Taliban: 'Think like us, or we'll whiip you and/or chop
off your head'
American Taliban: 'Think like us, or we'll condemn you to hell'
Liberals: To each her own


So a mythical threat is equivalent to actual torture and execution.

The fact that the US government practices torture is a known fact.

Homosexuality

Al Qaida/Taliban: Eradicate them from society
American Taliban: Eradicate them from society
Liberals: Equality under the law


So opposition to gay marriage is equivalent to stoning gays.

Torture

Al Qaida/Taliban: Torture them or chop off their heads
American Taliban: Torture them or homosexually rape them.
Liberals: No torture


So turning off the air conditioning is equivalent to breaking a
prisoner's fingers.

Raping a prisoner in the butt is actually far worse than breaking their
fingers, IMO.

Medicine and Science

Al Qaida/Taliban: Faith-based world view
American Taliban: Faith-based world view
Liberals: Reality-based community


So when Liberals politicize science that's OK and when Conservatives
object to the way Liberals polticize science, that's politicizing
science.

You think libs are the ones politicizing science? You're smoking some
serious crack, dude.
--
Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning.
A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing.
- Maynard James Keenan
The belief in the Christian god... is an appalling nightmare. I reject
the notion that the whole universe was created by this kind of evil
creature who would create such a thing. - Anthony Flew, March 22, 2005
aa #2133
ap #19
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 06 Jul 2005 06:48:36 AM
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:3OGdnX-xOcDI5VbfRVn-pQ@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

Religion in government

Al Qaida/Taliban: One and the same
American Taliban: One and the same
Liberals: Separation of church and state


So putting up a monument is equivalent to running the whole country
from the mosque.


The American Taliban does not stop at putting up monuments. They want
complete control of the country, with the Bible as source of law,
rather than the Constitution.

*****.

Women

Al Qaida/Taliban: No school, must cover entire body, no rights
American Taliban: Government control over reproductive freedoms,
hostility to Title IX, hostility to working women
Liberals: Equality of the sexes


So reasonable regulation of abortion is equivalent to forced
clitorectomies and stoning for being raped.


Complete ban of all abortion is far from reasonable.

I haven't heard of any politicians trying to pass laws to completely ban
abortion.

Religious freedom

Al Qaida/Taliban: 'Think like us, or we'll whiip you and/or chop
off your head'
American Taliban: 'Think like us, or we'll condemn you to hell'
Liberals: To each her own


So a mythical threat is equivalent to actual torture and execution.


The fact that the US government practices torture is a known fact.

The fact that lefties like you can't tell turning off the air
conditioning from torture is a known fact.

Homosexuality

Al Qaida/Taliban: Eradicate them from society
American Taliban: Eradicate them from society
Liberals: Equality under the law


So opposition to gay marriage is equivalent to stoning gays.



Torture

Al Qaida/Taliban: Torture them or chop off their heads
American Taliban: Torture them or homosexually rape them.
Liberals: No torture


So turning off the air conditioning is equivalent to breaking a
prisoner's fingers.


Raping a prisoner in the butt is actually far worse than breaking
their fingers, IMO.

Prove that that was done.

Medicine and Science

Al Qaida/Taliban: Faith-based world view
American Taliban: Faith-based world view
Liberals: Reality-based community


So when Liberals politicize science that's OK and when Conservatives
object to the way Liberals polticize science, that's politicizing
science.


You think libs are the ones politicizing science? You're smoking some
serious crack, dude.

My, that's certainly a serious, reasoned argument.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
.
User: "Brian F. King"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 06 Jul 2005 07:41:08 AM
Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

Religion in government

Al Qaida/Taliban: One and the same
American Taliban: One and the same
Liberals: Separation of church and state


So putting up a monument is equivalent to running the whole country
from the mosque.


The American Taliban does not stop at putting up monuments. They want
complete control of the country, with the Bible as source of law,
rather than the Constitution.


*****.

You honestly believe that such a faction does not exist in the United
States?

Women

Al Qaida/Taliban: No school, must cover entire body, no rights
American Taliban: Government control over reproductive freedoms,
hostility to Title IX, hostility to working women
Liberals: Equality of the sexes


So reasonable regulation of abortion is equivalent to forced
clitorectomies and stoning for being raped.


Complete ban of all abortion is far from reasonable.


I haven't heard of any politicians trying to pass laws to completely ban
abortion.

Presumably, South Dakota in 2004 doesn't count since it allows the
exception of medical necessity?
<snip>

--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]

.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 06 Jul 2005 08:13:58 AM
"Brian F. King" <brianfking@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1120653668.566549.283810@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

Religion in government

Al Qaida/Taliban: One and the same
American Taliban: One and the same
Liberals: Separation of church and state


So putting up a monument is equivalent to running the whole
country from the mosque.


The American Taliban does not stop at putting up monuments. They
want complete control of the country, with the Bible as source of
law, rather than the Constitution.


*****.


You honestly believe that such a faction does not exist in the United
States?

Are you claiming that the phrase "American Taliban" refers only to that
tiny, politically marginalized, group of reactionary agitators?

Women

Al Qaida/Taliban: No school, must cover entire body, no
rights American Taliban: Government control over reproductive
freedoms,
hostility to Title IX, hostility to working women
Liberals: Equality of the sexes


So reasonable regulation of abortion is equivalent to forced
clitorectomies and stoning for being raped.


Complete ban of all abortion is far from reasonable.


I haven't heard of any politicians trying to pass laws to completely
ban abortion.


Presumably, South Dakota in 2004 doesn't count since it allows the
exception of medical necessity?

Can you give me a cite on that one?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
.
User: "Brian F. King"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 06 Jul 2005 10:29:21 AM
Fred Stone wrote:

"Brian F. King" <brianfking@yahoo.com> wrote:

Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

Religion in government

Al Qaida/Taliban: One and the same
American Taliban: One and the same
Liberals: Separation of church and state


So putting up a monument is equivalent to running the whole
country from the mosque.


The American Taliban does not stop at putting up monuments. They
want complete control of the country, with the Bible as source of
law, rather than the Constitution.


*****.


You honestly believe that such a faction does not exist in the United
States?


Are you claiming that the phrase "American Taliban" refers only to that
tiny, politically marginalized, group of reactionary agitators?

I'm not claiming anything.

Women

Al Qaida/Taliban: No school, must cover entire body, no
rights American Taliban: Government control over reproductive
freedoms,
hostility to Title IX, hostility to working women
Liberals: Equality of the sexes


So reasonable regulation of abortion is equivalent to forced
clitorectomies and stoning for being raped.


Complete ban of all abortion is far from reasonable.


I haven't heard of any politicians trying to pass laws to completely
ban abortion.


Presumably, South Dakota in 2004 doesn't count since it allows the
exception of medical necessity?


Can you give me a cite on that one?

legis.state.sd.us/sessions/2004/bills/HB1191HST.pdf

--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]

.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 06 Jul 2005 11:39:28 AM
"Brian F. King" <brianfking@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1120663761.152599.210100@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Brian F. King" <brianfking@yahoo.com> wrote:

Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

Religion in government

Al Qaida/Taliban: One and the same
American Taliban: One and the same
Liberals: Separation of church and state


So putting up a monument is equivalent to running the whole
country from the mosque.


The American Taliban does not stop at putting up monuments.
They want complete control of the country, with the Bible as
source of law, rather than the Constitution.


*****.


You honestly believe that such a faction does not exist in the
United States?


Are you claiming that the phrase "American Taliban" refers only to
that tiny, politically marginalized, group of reactionary agitators?


I'm not claiming anything.

It seems apparant to me, from the usage of the phrase, that it is meant
to refer to *all* of the religious right "who control the GOP".

Women

Al Qaida/Taliban: No school, must cover entire body, no
rights American Taliban: Government control over
reproductive freedoms,
hostility to Title IX, hostility to working women
Liberals: Equality of the sexes


So reasonable regulation of abortion is equivalent to forced
clitorectomies and stoning for being raped.


Complete ban of all abortion is far from reasonable.


I haven't heard of any politicians trying to pass laws to
completely ban abortion.


Presumably, South Dakota in 2004 doesn't count since it allows the
exception of medical necessity?


Can you give me a cite on that one?


legis.state.sd.us/sessions/2004/bills/HB1191HST.pdf

Gotcha. Yes, that goes farther than I had thought, but it does still
allow for the medical exception.
I would consider reasonable regulation to be things like parental
notification or late-term (third trimester) restrictions.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
.
User: "Brian F. King"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 06 Jul 2005 12:29:37 PM
Fred Stone wrote:

"Brian F. King" <brianfking@yahoo.com> wrote:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Brian F. King" <brianfking@yahoo.com> wrote:

Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

Religion in government

Al Qaida/Taliban: One and the same
American Taliban: One and the same
Liberals: Separation of church and state


So putting up a monument is equivalent to running the whole
country from the mosque.


The American Taliban does not stop at putting up monuments.
They want complete control of the country, with the Bible as
source of law, rather than the Constitution.


*****.


You honestly believe that such a faction does not exist in the
United States?


Are you claiming that the phrase "American Taliban" refers only to
that tiny, politically marginalized, group of reactionary agitators?


I'm not claiming anything.


It seems apparant to me, from the usage of the phrase, that it is meant
to refer to *all* of the religious right "who control the GOP".

It seems apparent, to others, what "fixing evidence" means, too. ;-)

Women

Al Qaida/Taliban: No school, must cover entire body, no
rights American Taliban: Government control over
reproductive freedoms,
hostility to Title IX, hostility to working women
Liberals: Equality of the sexes


So reasonable regulation of abortion is equivalent to forced
clitorectomies and stoning for being raped.


Complete ban of all abortion is far from reasonable.


I haven't heard of any politicians trying to pass laws to
completely ban abortion.


Presumably, South Dakota in 2004 doesn't count since it allows the
exception of medical necessity?


Can you give me a cite on that one?


legis.state.sd.us/sessions/2004/bills/HB1191HST.pdf


Gotcha. Yes, that goes farther than I had thought, but it does still
allow for the medical exception.

Which is not surprising, since the Supreme Court said they {the states
and federal government, without amendment to the Constitution} *had* to
allow for that exception, back in 2000.

I would consider reasonable regulation to be things like parental
notification or late-term (third trimester) restrictions.

How is that relevant to the legislation put forth?

--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]

.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 06 Jul 2005 01:19:12 PM
"Brian F. King" <brianfking@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1120670977.694544.310610@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Brian F. King" <brianfking@yahoo.com> wrote:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Brian F. King" <brianfking@yahoo.com> wrote:

Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

Religion in government

Al Qaida/Taliban: One and the same
American Taliban: One and the same
Liberals: Separation of church and state


So putting up a monument is equivalent to running the whole
country from the mosque.


The American Taliban does not stop at putting up monuments.
They want complete control of the country, with the Bible as
source of law, rather than the Constitution.


*****.


You honestly believe that such a faction does not exist in the
United States?


Are you claiming that the phrase "American Taliban" refers only to
that tiny, politically marginalized, group of reactionary
agitators?


I'm not claiming anything.


It seems apparant to me, from the usage of the phrase, that it is
meant to refer to *all* of the religious right "who control the GOP".


It seems apparent, to others, what "fixing evidence" means, too. ;-)

Too bad that the memo doesn't refer to "fixing evidence" but rather to
evidence being "Fixed around the policy".

Women

Al Qaida/Taliban: No school, must cover entire body, no
rights American Taliban: Government control over
reproductive freedoms,
hostility to Title IX, hostility to working women
Liberals: Equality of the sexes


So reasonable regulation of abortion is equivalent to forced
clitorectomies and stoning for being raped.


Complete ban of all abortion is far from reasonable.


I haven't heard of any politicians trying to pass laws to
completely ban abortion.


Presumably, South Dakota in 2004 doesn't count since it allows
the exception of medical necessity?


Can you give me a cite on that one?


legis.state.sd.us/sessions/2004/bills/HB1191HST.pdf


Gotcha. Yes, that goes farther than I had thought, but it does still
allow for the medical exception.


Which is not surprising, since the Supreme Court said they {the states
and federal government, without amendment to the Constitution} *had*
to allow for that exception, back in 2000.

Of course the Supremes also said that states *had* to allow for first-
trimester abortions.

I would consider reasonable regulation to be things like parental
notification or late-term (third trimester) restrictions.


How is that relevant to the legislation put forth?

It isn't. It's relevant to the statement I made about reasonable
regulation of abortion.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
.
User: "Brian F. King"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 06 Jul 2005 01:41:28 PM
Fred Stone wrote:

"Brian F. King" <brianfking@yahoo.com> wrote:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Brian F. King" <brianfking@yahoo.com> wrote:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Brian F. King" <brianfking@yahoo.com> wrote:

Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

Religion in government

Al Qaida/Taliban: One and the same
American Taliban: One and the same
Liberals: Separation of church and state


So putting up a monument is equivalent to running the whole
country from the mosque.


The American Taliban does not stop at putting up monuments.
They want complete control of the country, with the Bible as
source of law, rather than the Constitution.


*****.


You honestly believe that such a faction does not exist in the
United States?


Are you claiming that the phrase "American Taliban" refers only to
that tiny, politically marginalized, group of reactionary
agitators?


I'm not claiming anything.


It seems apparant to me, from the usage of the phrase, that it is
meant to refer to *all* of the religious right "who control the GOP".


It seems apparent, to others, what "fixing evidence" means, too. ;-)


Too bad that the memo doesn't refer to "fixing evidence" but rather to
evidence being "Fixed around the policy".

Fine.
"It seems apparent, to others, what 'evidence being fixed' means, too."

Women

Al Qaida/Taliban: No school, must cover entire body, no
rights American Taliban: Government control over
reproductive freedoms,
hostility to Title IX, hostility to working women
Liberals: Equality of the sexes


So reasonable regulation of abortion is equivalent to forced
clitorectomies and stoning for being raped.


Complete ban of all abortion is far from reasonable.


I haven't heard of any politicians trying to pass laws to
completely ban abortion.


Presumably, South Dakota in 2004 doesn't count since it allows
the exception of medical necessity?


Can you give me a cite on that one?


legis.state.sd.us/sessions/2004/bills/HB1191HST.pdf


Gotcha. Yes, that goes farther than I had thought, but it does still
allow for the medical exception.


Which is not surprising, since the Supreme Court said they {the states
and federal government, without amendment to the Constitution} *had*
to allow for that exception, back in 2000.


Of course the Supremes also said that states *had* to allow for first-
trimester abortions.

Yes, but trying to buck two precedents would be a bit much.

I would consider reasonable regulation to be things like parental
notification or late-term (third trimester) restrictions.


How is that relevant to the legislation put forth?


It isn't. It's relevant to the statement I made about reasonable
regulation of abortion.

Ah. But it appears your statement isn't relevant with regard to the
"American Taliban", as demonstrated by the aforementioned 2004
legislation... eh?

--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]

.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 06 Jul 2005 03:14:47 PM
"Brian F. King" <brianfking@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1120675288.727637.258240@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Brian F. King" <brianfking@yahoo.com> wrote:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Brian F. King" <brianfking@yahoo.com> wrote:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Brian F. King" <brianfking@yahoo.com> wrote:

Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

Religion in government

Al Qaida/Taliban: One and the same
American Taliban: One and the same
Liberals: Separation of church and state


So putting up a monument is equivalent to running the
whole country from the mosque.


The American Taliban does not stop at putting up
monuments. They want complete control of the country, with
the Bible as source of law, rather than the Constitution.


*****.


You honestly believe that such a faction does not exist in
the United States?


Are you claiming that the phrase "American Taliban" refers only
to that tiny, politically marginalized, group of reactionary
agitators?


I'm not claiming anything.


It seems apparant to me, from the usage of the phrase, that it is
meant to refer to *all* of the religious right "who control the
GOP".


It seems apparent, to others, what "fixing evidence" means, too.
;-)


Too bad that the memo doesn't refer to "fixing evidence" but rather
to evidence being "Fixed around the policy".


Fine.

"It seems apparent, to others, what 'evidence being fixed' means,
too."

Women

Al Qaida/Taliban: No school, must cover entire body,
no rights American Taliban: Government control over
reproductive freedoms,
hostility to Title IX, hostility to working women
Liberals: Equality of the sexes


So reasonable regulation of abortion is equivalent to
forced clitorectomies and stoning for being raped.


Complete ban of all abortion is far from reasonable.


I haven't heard of any politicians trying to pass laws to
completely ban abortion.


Presumably, South Dakota in 2004 doesn't count since it
allows the exception of medical necessity?


Can you give me a cite on that one?


legis.state.sd.us/sessions/2004/bills/HB1191HST.pdf


Gotcha. Yes, that goes farther than I had thought, but it does
still allow for the medical exception.


Which is not surprising, since the Supreme Court said they {the
states and federal government, without amendment to the
Constitution} *had* to allow for that exception, back in 2000.


Of course the Supremes also said that states *had* to allow for
first- trimester abortions.


Yes, but trying to buck two precedents would be a bit much.

I would consider reasonable regulation to be things like parental
notification or late-term (third trimester) restrictions.


How is that relevant to the legislation put forth?


It isn't. It's relevant to the statement I made about reasonable
regulation of abortion.


Ah. But it appears your statement isn't relevant with regard to the
"American Taliban", as demonstrated by the aforementioned 2004
legislation... eh?

As you noted, it doesn't *completely* ban abortion.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
.
User: "Hawkster"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 06 Jul 2005 05:36:17 PM
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
news:1120680887.1198ef129b804eb27806d4136b7b6f2e@teranews:

"Brian F. King" <brianfking@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1120675288.727637.258240@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Brian F. King" <brianfking@yahoo.com> wrote:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Brian F. King" <brianfking@yahoo.com> wrote:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Brian F. King" <brianfking@yahoo.com> wrote:

Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

Religion in government

Al Qaida/Taliban: One and the same
American Taliban: One and the same
Liberals: Separation of church and state


So putting up a monument is equivalent to running the
whole country from the mosque.


The American Taliban does not stop at putting up
monuments. They want complete control of the country, with
the Bible as source of law, rather than the Constitution.


*****.


You honestly believe that such a faction does not exist in
the United States?


Are you claiming that the phrase "American Taliban" refers only
to that tiny, politically marginalized, group of reactionary
agitators?


I'm not claiming anything.


It seems apparant to me, from the usage of the phrase, that it is
meant to refer to *all* of the religious right "who control the
GOP".


It seems apparent, to others, what "fixing evidence" means, too.
;-)


Too bad that the memo doesn't refer to "fixing evidence" but rather
to evidence being "Fixed around the policy".


Fine.

"It seems apparent, to others, what 'evidence being fixed' means,
too."

Women

Al Qaida/Taliban: No school, must cover entire body,
no rights American Taliban: Government control over
reproductive freedoms,
hostility to Title IX, hostility to working women
Liberals: Equality of the sexes


So reasonable regulation of abortion is equivalent to
forced clitorectomies and stoning for being raped.


Complete ban of all abortion is far from reasonable.


I haven't heard of any politicians trying to pass laws to
completely ban abortion.


Presumably, South Dakota in 2004 doesn't count since it
allows the exception of medical necessity?


Can you give me a cite on that one?


legis.state.sd.us/sessions/2004/bills/HB1191HST.pdf


Gotcha. Yes, that goes farther than I had thought, but it does
still allow for the medical exception.


Which is not surprising, since the Supreme Court said they {the
states and federal government, without amendment to the
Constitution} *had* to allow for that exception, back in 2000.


Of course the Supremes also said that states *had* to allow for
first- trimester abortions.


Yes, but trying to buck two precedents would be a bit much.

I would consider reasonable regulation to be things like parental
notification or late-term (third trimester) restrictions.


How is that relevant to the legislation put forth?


It isn't. It's relevant to the statement I made about reasonable
regulation of abortion.


Ah. But it appears your statement isn't relevant with regard to the
"American Taliban", as demonstrated by the aforementioned 2004
legislation... eh?


As you noted, it doesn't *completely* ban abortion.

You don't get around much, do ya, Fred?
http://ohiolawinfo.blogspot.com/2005/04/new-bill-introductions_29.html
HB 228 ABORTION To prohibit abortions in this state, to increase the
penalties for the offenses of unlawful abortion, unlawful distribution of
an abortion-inducing drug, and abortion trafficking, to enact the offense
of facilitating an abortion, and to make conforming changes in related
provisions. Am. & Rep. 124.85, 149.43, 2151.421, 2305.11, 2307.46,
2307.52, 2307.53, 2317.56, 2505.02, 2901.01, 2903.09, 2919.12, 2919.123,
2919.13, 2919.14, 2919.24, 2950.03, 3701.341, 4112.01, 4731.22, 4731.91,
5101.55, 2151.85, 2505.073, 2919.121, 2919.122, 2919.151, 2919.16,
2919.17, & 2919.18
Full Text
http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=126_HB_228
Description of the bill by The Center For Moral Clarity:
http://www.centerformoralclarity.net/pdf/OhioLegislativeUpdate.pdf
· HB 228 – Prohibition of abortion in Ohio. This bill, sponsored by Rep.
Tom Brinkman Jr.,would ban the practice of abortion throughout the state.
It’s designed as a test case for the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn Roe
v. Wade. By the time it would reach the high court, it’s
expected that the court’s makeup would be significantly different than
today – and more inclined to protect the unborn. The bill was introduced
April 28.
*** And that's a ban on abortion - period. No exceptions. You're a
victim of rape or incest, or about to die? Tough luck. And you, Mr. or
Ms. Ohio resident -- if you transport anyone (including yer fine self)
over state lines for the purpose of getting an abortion, you have just
committed a felony.
Hawkster
.



User: "towelie"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 06 Jul 2005 03:29:26 PM
TV's Fred Stone wrote:

It seems apparant to me, from the usage of the phrase, that it is
meant to refer to *all* of the religious right "who control the GOP".


It seems apparent, to others, what "fixing evidence" means, too. ;-)


Too bad that the memo doesn't refer to "fixing evidence" but rather to
evidence being "Fixed around the policy".

Evidence being "fixed around the policy" means the same thing as "fixing
evidence." A steak being cooked on the grill is the same thing as a
"grilled steak". Your semantic arguing (or is that arguing of semantics?)
amuses only yourself.
--
Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning.
A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing.
- Maynard James Keenan
The belief in the Christian god... is an appalling nightmare. I reject
the notion that the whole universe was created by this kind of evil
creature who would create such a thing. - Anthony Flew, March 22, 2005
aa #2133
ap #19
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 06 Jul 2005 04:00:48 PM
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:tKGdnQdzwfSDolHfRVn-tg@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

It seems apparant to me, from the usage of the phrase, that it is
meant to refer to *all* of the religious right "who control the
GOP".


It seems apparent, to others, what "fixing evidence" means, too. ;-)


Too bad that the memo doesn't refer to "fixing evidence" but rather
to evidence being "Fixed around the policy".


Evidence being "fixed around the policy" means the same thing as
"fixing evidence." A steak being cooked on the grill is the same
thing as a "grilled steak". Your semantic arguing (or is that arguing
of semantics?) amuses only yourself.

Considering that my interpretation of the phrase is supported by all the
Congressional investigations and yours is not, my semantic arguments are
proved to be sound.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
.
User: "towelie"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 06 Jul 2005 09:06:41 PM
TV's Fred Stone wrote:

Evidence being "fixed around the policy" means the same thing as
"fixing evidence." A steak being cooked on the grill is the same
thing as a "grilled steak". Your semantic arguing (or is that arguing
of semantics?) amuses only yourself.


Considering that my interpretation of the phrase is supported by all the
Congressional investigations and yours is not, my semantic arguments are
proved to be sound.

Considering that you blindly believe whatever the government tells you to
believe, your arguments mean nothing.
--
Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning.
A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing.
- Maynard James Keenan
The belief in the Christian god... is an appalling nightmare. I reject
the notion that the whole universe was created by this kind of evil
creature who would create such a thing. - Anthony Flew, March 22, 2005
aa #2133
ap #19
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 07 Jul 2005 07:40:30 AM
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:Vq6dneh7h6qtE1HfRVn-sg@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

Evidence being "fixed around the policy" means the same thing as
"fixing evidence." A steak being cooked on the grill is the same
thing as a "grilled steak". Your semantic arguing (or is that
arguing of semantics?) amuses only yourself.


Considering that my interpretation of the phrase is supported by all
the Congressional investigations and yours is not, my semantic
arguments are proved to be sound.


Considering that you blindly believe whatever the government tells you
to believe, your arguments mean nothing.

Considering that *you* blindly believe whatever the Democrats tell you
to believe, your arguments mean nothing.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
.
User: "towelie"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 07 Jul 2005 09:08:11 AM
TV's Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:Vq6dneh7h6qtE1HfRVn-sg@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

Evidence being "fixed around the policy" means the same thing as
"fixing evidence." A steak being cooked on the grill is the same
thing as a "grilled steak". Your semantic arguing (or is that
arguing of semantics?) amuses only yourself.


Considering that my interpretation of the phrase is supported by all
the Congressional investigations and yours is not, my semantic
arguments are proved to be sound.


Considering that you blindly believe whatever the government tells you
to believe, your arguments mean nothing.


Considering that *you* blindly believe whatever the Democrats tell you
to believe, your arguments mean nothing.

Considering that I don't listen to the Democrats...
--
Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning.
A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing.
- Maynard James Keenan
The belief in the Christian god... is an appalling nightmare. I reject
the notion that the whole universe was created by this kind of evil
creature who would create such a thing. - Anthony Flew, March 22, 2005
aa #2133
ap #19
.







User: "towelie"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 06 Jul 2005 03:27:30 PM
TV's Fred Stone wrote:

Presumably, South Dakota in 2004 doesn't count since it allows the
exception of medical necessity?


Can you give me a cite on that one?


legis.state.sd.us/sessions/2004/bills/HB1191HST.pdf


Gotcha. Yes, that goes farther than I had thought, but it does still
allow for the medical exception.

A small step on the way to a total ban.
--
Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning.
A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing.
- Maynard James Keenan
The belief in the Christian god... is an appalling nightmare. I reject
the notion that the whole universe was created by this kind of evil
creature who would create such a thing. - Anthony Flew, March 22, 2005
aa #2133
ap #19
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 06 Jul 2005 03:58:41 PM
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in news:JMWdnUMrn4Avo1HfRVn-
ig@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

Presumably, South Dakota in 2004 doesn't count since it allows

the

exception of medical necessity?


Can you give me a cite on that one?


legis.state.sd.us/sessions/2004/bills/HB1191HST.pdf


Gotcha. Yes, that goes farther than I had thought, but it does still
allow for the medical exception.


A small step on the way to a total ban.

Slippery Slope.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
.
User: "towelie"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 06 Jul 2005 09:05:54 PM
TV's Fred Stone wrote:

Gotcha. Yes, that goes farther than I had thought, but it does still
allow for the medical exception.


A small step on the way to a total ban.


Slippery Slope.

It's not a slippery slope when many Repubs and Christians demand a *total*
ban.
You don't know much about your own political party do you?
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A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing.
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User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 07 Jul 2005 07:39:33 AM
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
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TV's Fred Stone wrote:

Gotcha. Yes, that goes farther than I had thought, but it does
still allow for the medical exception.


A small step on the way to a total ban.


Slippery Slope.


It's not a slippery slope when many Repubs and Christians demand a
*total* ban.

You don't know much about your own political party do you?

I know they're out there. I also know that they don't have enough
support to pass total bans on abortion, even among Republicans, much
less Democrats.
--
Fred Stone
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"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
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User: "towelie"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 06 Jul 2005 03:26:28 PM
TV's Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:3OGdnX-xOcDI5VbfRVn-pQ@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

Religion in government

Al Qaida/Taliban: One and the same
American Taliban: One and the same
Liberals: Separation of church and state


So putting up a monument is equivalent to running the whole country
from the mosque.


The American Taliban does not stop at putting up monuments. They want
complete control of the country, with the Bible as source of law,
rather than the Constitution.


*****.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism

Women

Al Qaida/Taliban: No school, must cover entire body, no rights
American Taliban: Government control over reproductive freedoms,
hostility to Title IX, hostility to working women
Liberals: Equality of the sexes


So reasonable regulation of abortion is equivalent to forced
clitorectomies and stoning for being raped.


Complete ban of all abortion is far from reasonable.


I haven't heard of any politicians trying to pass laws to completely ban
abortion.

George W. Bush for one. Along with Rick Santorum and 90% of the GOP.

Religious freedom

Al Qaida/Taliban: 'Think like us, or we'll whiip you and/or chop
off your head'
American Taliban: 'Think like us, or we'll condemn you to hell'
Liberals: To each her own


So a mythical threat is equivalent to actual torture and execution.


The fact that the US government practices torture is a known fact.


The fact that lefties like you can't tell turning off the air
conditioning from torture is a known fact.

Then let somebody rape you in the butt and tell me it's not torture.

Homosexuality

Al Qaida/Taliban: Eradicate them from society
American Taliban: Eradicate them from society
Liberals: Equality under the law


So opposition to gay marriage is equivalent to stoning gays.



Torture

Al Qaida/Taliban: Torture them or chop off their heads
American Taliban: Torture them or homosexually rape them.
Liberals: No torture


So turning off the air conditioning is equivalent to breaking a
prisoner's fingers.


Raping a prisoner in the butt is actually far worse than breaking
their fingers, IMO.


Prove that that was done.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact

Medicine and Science

Al Qaida/Taliban: Faith-based world view
American Taliban: Faith-based world view
Liberals: Reality-based community


So when Liberals politicize science that's OK and when Conservatives
object to the way Liberals polticize science, that's politicizing
science.


You think libs are the ones politicizing science? You're smoking some
serious crack, dude.


My, that's certainly a serious, reasoned argument.

You're smoking some crack, mixed with sherm, dude.
--
Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning.
A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing.
- Maynard James Keenan
The belief in the Christian god... is an appalling nightmare. I reject
the notion that the whole universe was created by this kind of evil
creature who would create such a thing. - Anthony Flew, March 22, 2005
aa #2133
ap #19
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 06 Jul 2005 03:58:11 PM
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:JMWdnUArn4A3o1HfRVn-ig@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:3OGdnX-xOcDI5VbfRVn-pQ@centurytel.net:

TV's Fred Stone wrote:

Religion in government

Al Qaida/Taliban: One and the same
American Taliban: One and the same
Liberals: Separation of church and state


So putting up a monument is equivalent to running the whole country
from the mosque.


The American Taliban does not stop at putting up monuments. They
want complete control of the country, with the Bible as source of
law, rather than the Constitution.


*****.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism

Dominionists are a tiny, marginal sect.

Women

Al Qaida/Taliban: No school, must cover entire body, no rights
American Taliban: Government control over reproductive
freedoms,
hostility to Title IX, hostility to working women
Liberals: Equality of the sexes


So reasonable regulation of abortion is equivalent to forced
clitorectomies and stoning for being raped.


Complete ban of all abortion is far from reasonable.


I haven't heard of any politicians trying to pass laws to completely
ban abortion.


George W. Bush for one. Along with Rick Santorum and 90% of the GOP.

Uhh, no.

Religious freedom

Al Qaida/Taliban: 'Think like us, or we'll whiip you and/or
chop off your head'
American Taliban: 'Think like us, or we'll condemn you to
hell' Liberals: To each her own


So a mythical threat is equivalent to actual torture and execution.


The fact that the US government practices torture is a known fact.


The fact that lefties like you can't tell turning off the air
conditioning from torture is a known fact.


Then let somebody rape you in the butt and tell me it's not torture.

Homosexuality

Al Qaida/Taliban: Eradicate them from society
American Taliban: Eradicate them from society
Liberals: Equality under the law


So opposition to gay marriage is equivalent to stoning gays.



Torture

Al Qaida/Taliban: Torture them or chop off their heads
American Taliban: Torture them or homosexually rape them.
Liberals: No torture


So turning off the air conditioning is equivalent to breaking a
prisoner's fingers.


Raping a prisoner in the butt is actually far worse than breaking
their fingers, IMO.


Prove that that was done.


http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact

Seymour Hersh? How about using a *credible* source?

Medicine and Science

Al Qaida/Taliban: Faith-based world view
American Taliban: Faith-based world view
Liberals: Reality-based community


So when Liberals politicize science that's OK and when
Conservatives object to the way Liberals polticize science, that's
politicizing science.


You think libs are the ones politicizing science? You're smoking
some serious crack, dude.


My, that's certainly a serious, reasoned argument.


You're smoking some crack, mixed with sherm, dude.

--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
.
User: "G-Ride"

Title: Re: Islamic fundies vs Dobson fundies? 06 Jul 2005 04:07:17 PM
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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Raping a prisoner in the butt is actually far worse than breaking
their fingers, IMO.

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