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"duke" |
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21 Mar 2005 11:37:33 PM |
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Isn't it wonderful that........... |
...........the republicans, President George Bush, and with some 'rat help
elected to step in and help those unable to help themselves, specifically
TerryS.
Lookie all the 'rat death squad members of this ng hollering about kill, kill,
kill.
You will give a child raping murderer a last shot at life, but you deny a
helpless girl.
You atheists are all good old fashioned scum bags.
Thank you President George Bush, the Republicans, some of the 'rats, and all
those that cherish human life.
God will take notice.
duke
*****
Acts 2
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every
one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the
forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive
the gift of the Holy Spirit".
*****
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| User: "Rally" |
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22 Mar 2005 12:07:48 AM |
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You are a shining example of why my 'used-to-be' right-of-center point
of view keeps swinging left. I am getting pushed further and further that
way by brain dead retards like you that keep popping up on the right of my
radar screen. My instinct is to run away as fast as I can in the opposite
direction.
Now, isn't *that wonderful?
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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22 Mar 2005 03:09:24 AM |
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In article <423f6288_1@127.0.0.1>, Rally said...
You are a shining example of why my 'used-to-be' right-of-center point
of view keeps swinging left.
Yes, the behavior of pious people forms the strongest argument
against piety.
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "duke" |
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22 Mar 2005 11:41:48 AM |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:07:48 -0600, "Rally"
<Rally_Round@mail.barf.newsfeeds.com> wrote:
You are a shining example of why my 'used-to-be' right-of-center point
of view keeps swinging left. I am getting pushed further and further that
way by brain dead retards like you that keep popping up on the right of my
radar screen. My instinct is to run away as fast as I can in the opposite
direction.
Now, isn't *that wonderful?
Just as long as I'm on the "right" side of center from you.
duke
*****
Acts 2
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every
one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the
forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive
the gift of the Holy Spirit".
*****
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| User: "Milan" |
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22 Mar 2005 12:53:38 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:6emu319bqafuk6s9s785ia40jmrjlbvml4@4ax.com...
..........the republicans, President George Bush, and with some 'rat help
elected to step in and help those unable to help themselves, specifically
TerryS.
Lookie all the 'rat death squad members of this ng hollering about kill,
kill,
kill.
You will give a child raping murderer a last shot at life, but you deny a
helpless girl.
You atheists are all good old fashioned scum bags.
Thank you President George Bush, the Republicans, some of the 'rats, and
all
those that cherish human life.
God will take notice.
It seems god hasnt, because you have all those christian freaks out there
trying to produce a miracle and god is not giving a damn.
regards
Milan
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| User: "duke" |
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22 Mar 2005 11:44:04 AM |
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:53:38 -0000, "Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:6emu319bqafuk6s9s785ia40jmrjlbvml4@4ax.com...
..........the republicans, President George Bush, and with some 'rat help
elected to step in and help those unable to help themselves, specifically
TerryS.
Lookie all the 'rat death squad members of this ng hollering about kill,
kill,
kill.
You will give a child raping murderer a last shot at life, but you deny a
helpless girl.
You atheists are all good old fashioned scum bags.
Thank you President George Bush, the Republicans, some of the 'rats, and
all
those that cherish human life.
God will take notice.
It seems god hasnt, because you have all those christian freaks out there
trying to produce a miracle and god is not giving a damn.
regards
Milan
God will take her when he's ready, not when we're ready.
Right now she is painlessly drawing open love of many hard hearted people who
will become people of God. "Love one another as I have loved you" - John
13:34.
duke
*****
Acts 2
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every
one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the
forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive
the gift of the Holy Spirit".
*****
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| User: "Milan" |
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22 Mar 2005 08:22:19 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8410419hfss2etfqqn6vunavim4blu7ecc@4ax.com...
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:53:38 -0000, "Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:6emu319bqafuk6s9s785ia40jmrjlbvml4@4ax.com...
..........the republicans, President George Bush, and with some 'rat
help
elected to step in and help those unable to help themselves,
specifically
TerryS.
Lookie all the 'rat death squad members of this ng hollering about
kill,
kill,
kill.
You will give a child raping murderer a last shot at life, but you deny
a
helpless girl.
You atheists are all good old fashioned scum bags.
Thank you President George Bush, the Republicans, some of the 'rats,
and
all
those that cherish human life.
God will take notice.
It seems god hasnt, because you have all those christian freaks out
there
trying to produce a miracle and god is not giving a damn.
regards
Milan
God will take her when he's ready, not when we're ready.
That's very strange because JC said:
"Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray,
believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them."
(Mark 11:24)
And he also said:
"And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may
be glorified in the Son."
(John 14:13)
I guess JC lied, or perhaps all those freaks dont have enough faith.
regards
Milan
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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22 Mar 2005 07:28:38 PM |
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In article <Xns96217286B3E85vicmanW.0.0.1> Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> writes:
on 22 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
{...}
God will take her when he's ready, not when we're ready.
You don't even recognize that according to your dogma god *is* trying to
take her. Has been for 15 years. But you rightard pro-lifers are playing
a game of tug-o-war with god.
Doesn't that kind of ***** him off, duke?
Oh, I figure God's WAY too ***** at all the docs who
daily defeat the eternal curse He laid on all womankind by
way of Eve -- that they should bear children in suffering --
to worry about this one case.
I ask you: what kind of doctor would even CONSIDER defying
the everlasting and righteous curse of the one eternal
and enraged God -- particularly with something as unimposing
as a lumbar puncture and a few ccs of anaesthetic?
-- cary
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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22 Mar 2005 07:15:49 PM |
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on 22 Mar 2005 in alt.atheism, duke dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:53:38 -0000, "Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:6emu319bqafuk6s9s785ia40jmrjlbvml4@4ax.com...
..........the republicans, President George Bush, and with some
'rat help elected to step in and help those unable to help
themselves, specifically TerryS.
Lookie all the 'rat death squad members of this ng hollering about
kill,
kill,
kill.
You will give a child raping murderer a last shot at life, but you
deny a helpless girl.
You atheists are all good old fashioned scum bags.
Thank you President George Bush, the Republicans, some of the 'rats,
and
all
those that cherish human life.
God will take notice.
It seems god hasnt, because you have all those christian freaks out
there trying to produce a miracle and god is not giving a damn.
regards
Milan
God will take her when he's ready, not when we're ready.
You don't even recognize that according to your dogma god *is* trying to
take her. Has been for 15 years. But you rightard pro-lifers are playing
a game of tug-o-war with god.
Doesn't that kind of ***** him off, duke?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
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As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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22 Mar 2005 10:16:20 PM |
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Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote in
news:Xns96217286B3E85vicman@127.0.0.1:
God will take her when he's ready, not when we're ready.
You don't even recognize that according to your dogma god *is* trying
to take her. Has been for 15 years. But you rightard pro-lifers are
playing a game of tug-o-war with god.
Doesn't that kind of ***** him off, duke?
Arguing with dook is little different than arguing with Terri Schiavo.
Give up. He's all brain stem too.
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Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Perhaps christians are enslaved by sin, but the rest of us tend to get
enslaved by christians.
-- Dave Fried
Now playing: NightMusicHQ
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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23 Mar 2005 04:22:06 AM |
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On 22 Mar 2005, Enkidu dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote in
news:Xns96217286B3E85vicman@127.0.0.1:
God will take her when he's ready, not when we're ready.
You don't even recognize that according to your dogma god *is* trying
to take her. Has been for 15 years. But you rightard pro-lifers are
playing a game of tug-o-war with god.
Doesn't that kind of ***** him off, duke?
Arguing with dook is little different than arguing with Terri Schiavo.
Give up. He's all brain stem too.
Yeah, but it's fun.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
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As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "Clockmeister" |
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22 Mar 2005 03:08:12 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:6emu319bqafuk6s9s785ia40jmrjlbvml4@4ax.com...
..........the republicans, President George Bush, and with some 'rat help
elected to step in and help those unable to help themselves, specifically
TerryS.
Lookie all the 'rat death squad members of this ng hollering about kill,
kill,
kill.
You will give a child raping murderer a last shot at life, but you deny a
helpless girl.
You atheists are all good old fashioned scum bags.
Thank you President George Bush, the Republicans, some of the 'rats, and
all
those that cherish human life.
God will take notice.
Maybe he will take notice of the 100,000 innocent civilians who died in Iraq
too, and judge him accordingly.
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| User: "rj" |
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22 Mar 2005 07:56:16 AM |
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"Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:423f8c68$1@duster.adelaide.on.net:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:6emu319bqafuk6s9s785ia40jmrjlbvml4@4ax.com...
..........the republicans, President George Bush, and with some 'rat
help elected to step in and help those unable to help themselves,
specifically TerryS.
Lookie all the 'rat death squad members of this ng hollering about
kill,
kill,
kill.
You will give a child raping murderer a last shot at life, but you deny
a helpless girl.
You atheists are all good old fashioned scum bags.
Thank you President George Bush, the Republicans, some of the 'rats,
and
all
those that cherish human life.
God will take notice.
Maybe he will take notice of the 100,000 innocent civilians who died in
Iraq too, and judge him accordingly.
These numbers keep climbing b ridiculous amounts every month. Pretty soon
it will be "110 trillion people killed in Iraq last week".
rj
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| User: "Clockmeister" |
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22 Mar 2005 07:57:40 AM |
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"rj" <rj@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns962113B67B4DCbvzxrpl@10.232.1.1...
"Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:423f8c68$1@duster.adelaide.on.net:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:6emu319bqafuk6s9s785ia40jmrjlbvml4@4ax.com...
..........the republicans, President George Bush, and with some 'rat
help elected to step in and help those unable to help themselves,
specifically TerryS.
Lookie all the 'rat death squad members of this ng hollering about
kill,
kill,
kill.
You will give a child raping murderer a last shot at life, but you deny
a helpless girl.
You atheists are all good old fashioned scum bags.
Thank you President George Bush, the Republicans, some of the 'rats,
and
all
those that cherish human life.
God will take notice.
Maybe he will take notice of the 100,000 innocent civilians who died in
Iraq too, and judge him accordingly.
These numbers keep climbing b ridiculous amounts every month. Pretty soon
it will be "110 trillion people killed in Iraq last week".
It's been 100,000 for months. Probably should be higher by now.
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| User: "wcb" |
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22 Mar 2005 02:50:06 PM |
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Clockmeister wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:6emu319bqafuk6s9s785ia40jmrjlbvml4@4ax.com...
..........the republicans, President George Bush, and with some 'rat
help elected to step in and help those unable to help themselves,
specifically TerryS.
Lookie all the 'rat death squad members of this ng hollering about kill,
kill,
kill.
You will give a child raping murderer a last shot at life, but you deny a
helpless girl.
You atheists are all good old fashioned scum bags.
Thank you President George Bush, the Republicans, some of the 'rats, and
all
those that cherish human life.
God will take notice.
Maybe he will take notice of the 100,000 innocent civilians who died in
Iraq too, and judge him accordingly.
Try the more than 2 million who dies from disease thanks
to the war crimes of Bush who bombed Iraqs water and sewer
systems. Then enacted sanctions we knew up front would kill
many more.
www.progressivemagazine.com September 2001 back issue.
Millions dead and not a single right winged self
described christian cares.
I have never gotten a single one to admit this is evil.
Duke doesn't care, for example.
This is what religion does to your brain.
Note no major religous denominations or churches
have complained about the evil started by Bush and
the GOP here, and millions of dead Iaqi civilians,
mainly children.
And evil nation run by evil politicians, voted for
by evil people who claim in overwhelming numbers to be
christians. Which then proves for a fact christianity
is indeed evil.
One just wonders, how much evil can these religous
fools swallow? When you look at the record over 30
years, you start to worry.
--
When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Clockmeister" |
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22 Mar 2005 11:51:04 PM |
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"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:1140c1jjnrf7bd8@corp.supernews.com...
Clockmeister wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:6emu319bqafuk6s9s785ia40jmrjlbvml4@4ax.com...
..........the republicans, President George Bush, and with some 'rat
help elected to step in and help those unable to help themselves,
specifically TerryS.
Lookie all the 'rat death squad members of this ng hollering about
kill,
kill,
kill.
You will give a child raping murderer a last shot at life, but you deny
a
helpless girl.
You atheists are all good old fashioned scum bags.
Thank you President George Bush, the Republicans, some of the 'rats,
and
all
those that cherish human life.
God will take notice.
Maybe he will take notice of the 100,000 innocent civilians who died in
Iraq too, and judge him accordingly.
Try the more than 2 million who dies from disease thanks
to the war crimes of Bush who bombed Iraqs water and sewer
systems. Then enacted sanctions we knew up front would kill
many more.
www.progressivemagazine.com September 2001 back issue.
Millions dead and not a single right winged self
described christian cares.
I have never gotten a single one to admit this is evil.
Duke doesn't care, for example.
This is what religion does to your brain.
Note no major religous denominations or churches
have complained about the evil started by Bush and
the GOP here, and millions of dead Iaqi civilians,
mainly children.
And evil nation run by evil politicians, voted for
by evil people who claim in overwhelming numbers to be
christians. Which then proves for a fact christianity
is indeed evil.
One just wonders, how much evil can these religous
fools swallow? When you look at the record over 30
years, you start to worry.
The evil doers know how to manipulate the stupid, ignorant and weak to get
them to do and believe whatever they want and that includes christians who
in their belief in a non-existent being are obvious candidates for
manipulation. They don't think for themselves by their very nature so that
process is very easy.
Soon you have the evil empire that the US has become.
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| User: "duke" |
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22 Mar 2005 11:44:46 AM |
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:08:12 +0800, "Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:6emu319bqafuk6s9s785ia40jmrjlbvml4@4ax.com...
..........the republicans, President George Bush, and with some 'rat help
elected to step in and help those unable to help themselves, specifically
TerryS.
Lookie all the 'rat death squad members of this ng hollering about kill,
kill,
kill.
You will give a child raping murderer a last shot at life, but you deny a
helpless girl.
You atheists are all good old fashioned scum bags.
Thank you President George Bush, the Republicans, some of the 'rats, and
all
those that cherish human life.
God will take notice.
Maybe he will take notice of the 100,000 innocent civilians who died in Iraq
too, and judge him accordingly.
Yep, saddam will be judged.
duke
*****
Acts 2
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every
one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the
forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive
the gift of the Holy Spirit".
*****
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| User: "Clockmeister" |
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22 Mar 2005 10:43:20 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:p81041ph26rdc2gj6dv75mfvl33m0d4gor@4ax.com...
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:08:12 +0800, "Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com>
wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:6emu319bqafuk6s9s785ia40jmrjlbvml4@4ax.com...
..........the republicans, President George Bush, and with some 'rat
help
elected to step in and help those unable to help themselves,
specifically
TerryS.
Lookie all the 'rat death squad members of this ng hollering about
kill,
kill,
kill.
You will give a child raping murderer a last shot at life, but you deny
a
helpless girl.
You atheists are all good old fashioned scum bags.
Thank you President George Bush, the Republicans, some of the 'rats,
and
all
those that cherish human life.
God will take notice.
Maybe he will take notice of the 100,000 innocent civilians who died in
Iraq
too, and judge him accordingly.
Yep, saddam will be judged.
Yep, and Saddam did what he had to do to keep law and order. Bush did it for
oil greed.
Did you know Kurdish men murder their wives and daughters is they feel they
have shamed them? That is acceptable in their culture and happens regularly.
Saddam wasn't dealing with angels here, he needed to use a heavy hand to
keep in control *their* murderous ways.
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| User: "duke" |
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22 Mar 2005 11:23:29 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:43:20 +0800, "Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote:
Yep, and Saddam did what he had to do to keep law and order. Bush did it for
oil greed.
Yep, your uncle saddam put a bullet in their heads.
Did you know Kurdish men murder their wives and daughters is they feel they
have shamed them? That is acceptable in their culture and happens regularly.
Saddam wasn't dealing with angels here, he needed to use a heavy hand to
keep in control *their* murderous ways.
Again, a bullet in the head.
duke
*****
Acts 2
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every
one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the
forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive
the gift of the Holy Spirit".
*****
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| User: "wcb" |
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23 Mar 2005 02:56:04 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:43:20 +0800, "Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com>
wrote:
Yep, and Saddam did what he had to do to keep law and order. Bush did it
for oil greed.
Yep, your uncle saddam put a bullet in their heads.
Did you know Kurdish men murder their wives and daughters is they feel
they have shamed them? That is acceptable in their culture and happens
regularly. Saddam wasn't dealing with angels here, he needed to use a
heavy hand to keep in control *their* murderous ways.
Again, a bullet in the head.
No. He was your daddy. You stupid right wingers supported
him for years.
And then supported Bush and the GOP after the war crimes of destrying
Iraq'swater and sewer systems, a war crime that has lead to the death of
over 2 million Iraqis.
Not that you care. You are a stupid, and nasty right winger who
does not care your GOP buddies have killed far more than Saddam
could dream of killing.
Many of the smirking GOP senators and Congress clowns still
in Washington approved these mass murders and never lifted a
finger to stop them.
The GOP Baath party.
And you will happily vote to re-elect them despite 2 million
dead Iraqis. Mostly children. Because that is the sort of evil
man you are personally, Duke.
http://www.progressive.org/0801issue/nagy0901.html
You call Saddam's somebody's uncle? But its you who vote
for worse murderers. Which makes you part of the evil.
The Secret Behind the Sanctions
How the U.S. Intentionally Destroyed Iraq's Water Supply
by Thomas J. Nagy
Over the last two years, I've discovered documents of the
Defense Intelligence Agency proving beyond a doubt that,
contrary to the Geneva Convention, the U.S. government
intentionally used sanctions against Iraq to degrade the
country's water supply after the Gulf War. The United
States knew the cost that civilian Iraqis, mostly children,
would pay, and it went ahead anyway.
The primary document, "Iraq Water Treatment Vulnerabilities,"
is dated January 22, 1991. It spells out how sanctions will
prevent Iraq from supplying clean water to its citizens.
"Iraq depends on importing specialized equipment and some
chemicals to purify its water supply, most of which is heavily
mineralized and frequently brackish to saline," the document
states. "With no domestic sources of both water treatment
replacement parts and some essential chemicals, Iraq will
continue attempts to circumvent United Nations Sanctions
to import these vital commodities. Failing to secure
supplies will result in a shortage of pure drinking water
for much of the population. This could lead to increased
incidences, if not epidemics, of disease."
The document goes into great technical detail about the sources
and quality of Iraq's water supply. The quality of untreated
water "generally is poor," and drinking such water "could
result in diarrhea," the document says. It notes that Iraq's
rivers "contain biological materials, pollutants, and are
laden with bacteria. Unless the water is purified with chlorine,
epidemics of such diseases as cholera, hepatitis, and typhoid
could occur."
The document notes that the importation of chlorine "has been
embargoed" by sanctions. "Recent reports indicate the chlorine
supply is critically low."
Food and medicine will also be affected, the document states.
"Food processing, electronic, and, particularly, pharmaceutical
plants require extremely pure water that is free from biological
contaminants," it says.
The document addresses possible Iraqi countermeasures to obtain
drinkable water despite sanctions.
"Iraq conceivably could truck water from the mountain reservoirs
to urban areas. But the capability to gain significant quantities
is extremely limited," the document states. "The amount of pipe on
hand and the lack of pumping stations would limit laying pipelines
to these reservoirs. Moreover, without chlorine purification, the
water still would contain biological pollutants. Some affluent
Iraqis could obtain their own minimally adequate supply of good
quality water from Northern Iraqi sources. If boiled, the water
could be safely consumed. Poorer Iraqis and industries requiring
large quantities of pure water would not be able to meet their needs."
The document also discounted the possibility of Iraqis using rainwater.
"Precipitation occurs in Iraq during the winter and spring, but
it falls primarily in the northern mountains," it says. "Sporadic
rains, sometimes heavy, fall over the lower plains. But Iraq could
not rely on rain to provide adequate pure water."
As an alternative, "Iraq could try convincing the United Nations or
individual countries to exempt water treatment supplies from sanctions
for humanitarian reasons," the document says. "It probably also is
attempting to purchase supplies by using some sympathetic countries
as fronts. If such attempts fail, Iraqi alternatives are not adequate
for their national requirements."
In cold language, the document spells out what is in store: "Iraq
will suffer increasing shortages of purified water because of the
lack of required chemicals and desalination membranes. Incidences of
disease, including possible epidemics, will become probable unless
the population were careful to boil water."
The document gives a timetable for the destruction of Iraq's water
supplies. "Iraq's overall water treatment capability will suffer a
slow decline, rather than a precipitous halt," it says. "Although
Iraq is already experiencing a loss of water treatment capability,
it probably will take at least six months (to June 1991) before the
system is fully degraded."
This document, which was partially declassified but unpublicized in 1995,
can be found on the Pentagon's web site at www.gulflink.osd.mil.
(I disclosed this document last fall. But the news media showed little
interest in it. The only reporters I know of who wrote lengthy stories
on it were Felicity Arbuthnot in the Sunday Herald of Scotland, who broke
the story, and Charlie Reese of the Orlando Sentinel, who did a follow-up.)
Recently, I have come across other DIA documents that confirm the Pentagon's
monitoring of the degradation of Iraq's water supply. These documents have
not been publicized until now.
The first one in this batch is called "Disease Information," and is also
dated January 22, 1991. At the top, it says, "Subject: Effects of Bombing
on Disease Occurrence in Baghdad." The analysis is blunt: "Increased
incidence of diseases will be attributable to degradation of normal
preventive medicine, waste disposal, water purification/ distribution,
electricity, and decreased ability to control disease outbreaks. Any
urban area in Iraq that has received infrastructure damage will have
similar problems."
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:56:04 -0600, wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Again, a bullet in the head.
No. He was your daddy. You stupid right wingers supported
him for years.
Oh, no, he's yang's uncle.
duke
*****
Acts 2
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every
one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the
forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive
the gift of the Holy Spirit".
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duke wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:56:04 -0600, wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Again, a bullet in the head.
No. He was your daddy. You stupid right wingers supported
him for years.
Oh, no, he's yang's uncle.
***
As Saddam murdered people, you kept voting for his
supporters, Reagan, Bush, the GOP.
You are Saddam's enabler, his supporter, you voted for
mass murder.
Even when I grind your face in the facts, being utterly
stupid amnd a moral fraud, you refuse to deal with the
subject with the seriousness it deserves.
You pulled the trigger, fool.
There is great evil in the world, and you are part
of that evil.
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Profile: Helping Saddam; Iraqi government ordered anthrax and botulism-
producing bacteria from United States in late 1980s
02/22/1998
60 Minutes
CBS, Inc. Burrelle's Information Services
(Copyright (c) 1998 CBS, Inc. All rights reserved.)
HELPING SADDAM
MORLEY SAFER, co-host:
Exactly what weapons Saddam is hiding and where he's hiding them remains a
mystery. Where he got them and how he developed them is not. He got a lot
of help from the British, the French, the Germans, the Russians and from
us. Back in the late '80s when Saddam was considered by some as our friend
or at least the enemy of our enemy Iran, we provided Iraq with two of the
deadliest substances known to man, bacteria that produces botulism and
anthrax . Among those who thought that what we were doing was all wrong was
a former deputy undersecretary of defense named Dr. Steven Bryen.
Dr. STEVEN BRYEN (Former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense): Well, it was
very complicated before the Gulf War because the administration was trying
very hard to be friends with Saddam Hussein, largely because of the great
concern about Iran and the fear of Iran. And Iraq was seen as a--a balancer
and as a moderate force, whereas Iran was an Islamic force. So there was a
lot of pressure to release technology to Iraq ; technology that shouldn't
go there, in my opinion.
SAFER: Were people out saying, `Look, this guy is not a very stable ally'?
Dr. BRYEN: People were not saying, `This guy is not a very stable ally.'
That was the problem. Official Washington turned a blind eye to that sort
of thing because it really wanted very badly to establish a positive
relationship with Saddam.
(Footage of Steven Bryen; Department of State building; Saddam Hussein;
vintage footage of Kurdish village after nerve gas attack)
SAFER: (Voiceover) Dr. Bryen was the Pentagon's top cop, the man whose job
it was to ensure that sensitive technology would be kept from enemies,
potential enemies and questionable allies. But he was up against a
formidable adversary: the US State Department, who wanted to satisfy
Saddam's appetite despite the clear and present danger.
Dr. BRYEN: (Voiceover) Even as late as 1988 when the Kurdish village in- -in
Iraq was attacked by helicopters carrying nerve gas, the Washington
reaction was still hands off.
SAFER: He realized `Look, I could bomb Kurdish villages with nerve gas, I
could use chemical agents against the Iranians.'
Dr. BRYEN: `And the Americans won't say anything about it.' There was no
official condemnation by the United States of these attacks. At that point,
Saddam had to think we were a heck of a good ally because here we are
letting him get away with these things.
(Footage of American Type Culture Collection building; ATCC sign; vials of
cultures; storage containers; infectious substance label; photograph of
document with close-up of text: 881215 Iraq Atomic Energy Commission)
SAFER: (Voiceover) Getting away with it was easy. The bacteria was simply
ordered from this facility, The American Type Culture Collection of
Rockville, Maryland, a non-profit supplier of microbes to the world.
They're generally used for public health research. The Iraqi orders,
including 34 batches of the deadliest bacteria, did not pass through
Pentagon watchdogs. They were simply approved by the Commerce Department.
Dr. BRYEN: I was shocked to see that biological samples would be going to
the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission because in--it was absolutely clear
that--that--that the at--Is--Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission was involved in
their nuclear weapons programs and God knows what other weapons programs.
SAFER: I--in very precise terms, what was the--the policy about shipping
bacterial cultures like anthrax and botulism to Iraq ?
Dr. BRYEN: I don't think there was a policy in--in--in the administration at
the time. I think there was a--a general understanding that a shipment of
these kinds of materials was sensitive, required a license.
SAFER: And yet the Commerce Department signed off on them?
Dr. BRYEN: The Commerce Department approved all these licenses. There were a
number of licenses. We're not talking about one got through and the others
got stopped; we're talking about they all got through, un-- untouched,
unstopped.
(Footage of person at computer; ATCC order form coming out of printer;
anthrax )
SAFER: (Voiceover) And to find out how to order up some anthrax , just dial
up ATCC 's Web site, as we did today, and with the flip of a printer, your
order form. Visa and MasterCard accepted. By the way, the effect of inhaled
anthrax : one day of flu symptoms, followed by a few days of pneumonia
symptoms, followed by death.
Dr. BRYEN: The one experience we have with anthrax in Sverdlovsk in Russia
where some of this leaked into the air is that it killed people and animals
for over 40 miles from where--where the damage occurred.
SAFER: We do know it was a relatively small amount.
Dr. BRYEN: A relatively small amount and it wasn't because the place was
bombed; it was because something leaked and it escaped into the a-- air. So
when you hit it with a bomb, you potentially could release everything. So
it's worrisome to me that we might set loose some of this kind of material.
SAFER: When you were in that job as--as the--the Pentagon's cop to oversee
what was going where, did you get into any confrontations?
Dr. BRYEN: Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. I had a big confrontation over the shipment of
atropine injectors to Iraq . I blocked it. And atropine is an antidote for
nerve gas. And so far as I knew, the only nerve gas in the region was Iraqi
nerve gas, so it was clear that they wanted one-- they wanted this for
offensive purposes, not for defense.
SAFER: To protect their own troops?
Dr. BRYEN: To protect their own troops, and--and to allow them to use it in
fairly close-in situations against--against other forces, Iranians or
Americans or whoever.
SAFER: You got into confrontations with whom?
Dr. BRYEN: Well, the--the--the fight was mostly with the State Department.
It was a million and a half injectors they were talking about, 1.5 million
injectors, and these were militarized injectors; the same ones are used by
the US Army. And I will--I just said no. It took me three months of--of
quarreling, and--and--and finally, I threatened to have a press conference
if they wouldn't stop. But in the intervening period, the news of the
Kurdish attacks came out, and I think that discouraged the enthusiasm in
the State Department for promoting this transaction.
(Footage of Bryen with Safer)
SAFER: (Voiceover) But the export of biochemical technology was not the only
source of conflict with the State Department.
Dr. BRYEN: Well, there were a number of licenses that we had blocked for the
Iraqi missile programs. Some of them were computers that were used for
testing this--the missile track and trajectory. Some of them were equipment
to build missile cases and things like that. And--and we blocked them. The
State Department didn't like that very much. This
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
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When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
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23 Mar 2005 11:38:37 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:33:38 -0600, wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Oh, no, he's yang's uncle.
***
As Saddam murdered people, you kept voting for his
supporters, Reagan, Bush, the GOP.
But of course not. Those are the ones that stood in opposition to saddam.
You are Saddam's enabler, his supporter, you voted for
mass murder.
Even when I grind your face in the facts, being utterly
stupid amnd a moral fraud, you refuse to deal with the
subject with the seriousness it deserves.
You pulled the trigger, fool.
There is great evil in the world, and you are part
of that evil.
No, **you** pulled the trigger.
duke
*****
Acts 2
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every
one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the
forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive
the gift of the Holy Spirit".
*****
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23 Mar 2005 03:00:46 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:43:20 +0800, "Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com>
wrote:
Yep, and Saddam did what he had to do to keep law and order. Bush did it
for oil greed.
Yep, your uncle saddam put a bullet in their heads.
Did you know Kurdish men murder their wives and daughters is they feel
they have shamed them? That is acceptable in their culture and happens
regularly. Saddam wasn't dealing with angels here, he needed to use a
heavy hand to keep in control *their* murderous ways.
Again, a bullet in the head.
You voted for the guys that armed him.
Your bullets, boy.
Your dadfdy uncle Saddam
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/publications/iraqgate/iraqgate.html
Focus of the Collection
Iraqgate: Saddam Hussein, U.S. Policy and the Prelude to the Persian Gulf
War, 1980-1994 reproduces on microfiche approximately 1,900 documents
representing nearly 10,000 pages of rarely-seen documentation from the
highest levels of government.
The collection brings together a wealth of materials which trace U.S. policy
toward Iraq prior to the Persian Gulf War, as well as U.S. government
reactions to revelations about the Banca Nazionale del Lavoro (BNL) scandal
and the secret arming of Saddam Hussein's regime. The set also focuses on
the economic issues at play in the U.S. relationship with Iraq. Documents
are derived from virtually every federal agency involved in U.S.-lraq
policy and the BNL affair.
Through systematic document searching, use of the Freedom of Information
Act, cultivation of an extensive network of government, media and academic
contacts, and computer- based cataloging, the National Security Archive has
developed an unmatched collection of primary-source materials.
The result is a completely integrated, comprehensive history of Iraqgate
covering topics such as:
The Reagan administration's decision to improve political and economic
relations with Iraq
The U.S. commitment to this policy despite reports of Iraq's use of chemical
weapons and Saddam Hussein's nuclear weapons ambitions
Congressional investigations of the financing of Saddam Hussein through U.S.
entities, such as the Export-lmport Bank, as well as private concerns
The Bush administration's response to congressional and media investigations
of the Iraqgate affair
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When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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22 Mar 2005 03:04:52 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:08:12 +0800, "Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com>
wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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..........the republicans, President George Bush, and with some 'rat
help elected to step in and help those unable to help themselves,
specifically TerryS.
Lookie all the 'rat death squad members of this ng hollering about kill,
kill,
kill.
You will give a child raping murderer a last shot at life, but you deny
a helpless girl.
You atheists are all good old fashioned scum bags.
Thank you President George Bush, the Republicans, some of the 'rats, and
all
those that cherish human life.
God will take notice.
Maybe he will take notice of the 100,000 innocent civilians who died in
Iraq too, and judge him accordingly.
Yep, saddam will be judged.
duke
How about all those Reagan and Bush era politicans
that aided and abetted him and winked at his
groteque murders. For example that ***** Donald
Rumsfeld who was in Baghdad weeks after 5,000 Kurdish
villagers were gassed, shaking Saddam's murdering hand
with a big grin on his ugly face, having just concluded
a big business deal on behalf of Haliburton.
Puke, having no morals, does not care.
And mass murder of over 2 million Iraqis because Bush
commited a war crime and purposefully destroyed Iraq's
water and sewer systems?
Who cares? Not the right wingers, nor the christians.
"Saddam bad!", squeals Puke.
Bush and war crimes that killed millions?
"Bush good!", squeals the morally deficient Duke.
Can you see who religion destroys morality and rational
thought at a single stroke?
And what sort of man would line up Jews against the edge
of an open pit and machine gun them down? The Dukes
of the world. He's already halfway there. He can accept murder
of 2 million Iraqis and another 100,000 and squeals non sequiturs
right on cue. All he needs is proper demogogue and he'd
pull the trigger up close and personal.
It wasn't Saddam that killed 2 million by bombing water and
sewer systems, nor has killed 100,000 mostly civilians.
Duke'd be there killing some of those 100,000 if he was younger
and in the US army and would feel no qualms about it.
No more than the pilots who bombed the water systems.
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22 Mar 2005 11:22:17 PM |
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:04:52 -0600, wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Maybe he will take notice of the 100,000 innocent civilians who died in
Iraq too, and judge him accordingly.
Yep, saddam will be judged.
duke
How about all those Reagan and Bush era politicans
that aided and abetted him and winked at his
groteque murders.
Who?
For example that ***** Donald
Rumsfeld who was in Baghdad weeks after 5,000 Kurdish
villagers were gassed, shaking Saddam's murdering hand
with a big grin on his ugly face, having just concluded
a big business deal on behalf of Haliburton.
Are you sure?
Puke, having no morals, does not care.
Yet the morals I do have are so much more than you have.
And mass murder of over 2 million Iraqis because Bush
commited a war crime and purposefully destroyed Iraq's
water and sewer systems?
Congress approved the invasion as a self defense measure.
It wasn't Saddam that killed 2 million by bombing water and
sewer systems, nor has killed 100,000 mostly civilians.
No, he just had a bullet put in their heads.
Duke'd be there killing some of those 100,000 if he was younger
and in the US army and would feel no qualms about it.
No more than the pilots who bombed the water systems.
You must be Iraqui.
duke
*****
Acts 2
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every
one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the
forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive
the gift of the Holy Spirit".
*****
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23 Mar 2005 12:33:40 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:04:52 -0600, wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Maybe he will take notice of the 100,000 innocent civilians who died in
Iraq too, and judge him accordingly.
Yep, saddam will be judged.
duke
How about all those Reagan and Bush era politicans
that aided and abetted him and winked at his
groteque murders.
Who?
The whole lot of them.
For example that ***** Donald
Rumsfeld who was in Baghdad weeks after 5,000 Kurdish
villagers were gassed, shaking Saddam's murdering hand
with a big grin on his ugly face, having just concluded
a big business deal on behalf of Haliburton.
Are you sure?
Well documented fact.
Puke, having no morals, does not care.
Yet the morals I do have are so much more than you have.
You posess no morals.
And mass murder of over 2 million Iraqis because Bush
commited a war crime and purposefully destroyed Iraq's
water and sewer systems?
Congress approved the invasion as a self defense measure.
Iraq never posed a threat, ever.
It wasn't Saddam that killed 2 million by bombing water and
sewer systems, nor has killed 100,000 mostly civilians.
No, he just had a bullet put in their heads.
Except those were not innocent civilians, they were what we now call
insurgents and extremists. Saddam knew how to take care of that problem and
keep the peace.
Duke'd be there killing some of those 100,000 if he was younger
and in the US army and would feel no qualms about it.
No more than the pilots who bombed the water systems.
You must be Iraqui.
You are ignorant, stupid or both as I suspect. Typical god lover with no
sense of morality and a total hypocrite to boot.
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23 Mar 2005 12:42:09 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:33:40 +0800, "Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote:
How about all those Reagan and Bush era politicans
that aided and abetted him and winked at his
groteque murders.
Who?
The whole lot of them.
Ok, so you don't know what you're talking about.
For example that ***** Donald
Rumsfeld who was in Baghdad weeks after 5,000 Kurdish
villagers were gassed, shaking Saddam's murdering hand
with a big grin on his ugly face, having just concluded
a big business deal on behalf of Haliburton.
Are you sure?
Well documented fact.
Where?
Puke, having no morals, does not care.
Yet the morals I do have are so much more than you have.
You posess no morals.
But of course I do - that's why I'm trying to help you.
And mass murder of over 2 million Iraqis because Bush
commited a war crime and purposefully destroyed Iraq's
water and sewer systems?
Congress approved the invasion as a self defense measure.
Iraq never posed a threat, ever.
Whose imagination was it then that yang's uncle saddam gassed his own people.
Every free world intelligence service was convinced that saddam had wmd's.
It wasn't Saddam that killed 2 million by bombing water and
sewer systems, nor has killed 100,000 mostly civilians.
No, he just had a bullet put in their heads.
Except those were not innocent civilians, they were what we now call
insurgents and extremists. Saddam knew how to take care of that problem and
keep the peace.
Right, he put a bullet in the head of anyone that disagreed with him.
duke
*****
Acts 2
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every
one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the
forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive
the gift of the Holy Spirit".
*****
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23 Mar 2005 01:50:25 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:33:40 +0800, "Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com>
wrote:
How about all those Reagan and Bush era politicans
that aided and abetted him and winked at his
groteque murders.
Who?
The whole lot of them.
Ok, so you don't know what you're talking about.
For example that ***** Donald
Rumsfeld who was in Baghdad weeks after 5,000 Kurdish
villagers were gassed, shaking Saddam's murdering hand
with a big grin on his ugly face, having just concluded
a big business deal on behalf of Haliburton.
Are you sure?
Well documented fact.
Where?
Puke, having no morals, does not care.
Yet the morals I do have are so much more than you have.
You posess no morals.
But of course I do - that's why I'm trying to help you.
And mass murder of over 2 million Iraqis because Bush
commited a war crime and purposefully destroyed Iraq's
water and sewer systems?
Congress approved the invasion as a self defense measure.
Iraq never posed a threat, ever.
Whose imagination was it then that yang's uncle saddam gassed his own
people.
And what threat was that to the US and that doesn't even begin to compare
with the 2 million dead last time and 100,000 dead innocents this time.
Every free world intelligence service was convinced that saddam had wmd's.
Lies. That is not the case, in fact it is a fairytale because there were
plenty who said the exact opposite but as that didn't fit in with the white
house quest for oil and monetary greed they were dismissed.
It wasn't Saddam that killed 2 million by bombing water and
sewer systems, nor has killed 100,000 mostly civilians.
No, he just had a bullet put in their heads.
Except those were not innocent civilians, they were what we now call
insurgents and extremists. Saddam knew how to take care of that problem
and
keep the peace.
Right, he put a bullet in the head of anyone that disagreed with him.
He kept the peace.
At least you are a consistent godlover in that you do not wish to seek the
truth.
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23 Mar 2005 11:35:21 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:50:25 +0800, "Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote:
Whose imagination was it then that yang's uncle saddam gassed his own
people.
And what threat was that to the US and that doesn't even begin to compare
with the 2 million dead last time and 100,000 dead innocents this time.
Yep, thank yang's uncle saddam for that.
Every free world intelligence service was convinced that saddam had wmd's.
Lies. That is not the case, in fact it is a fairytale because there were
plenty who said the exact opposite but as that didn't fit in with the white
house quest for oil and monetary greed they were dismissed.
so I see you're a saddam supporter then.
Right, he put a bullet in the head of anyone that disagreed with him.
He kept the peace.
At least you are a consistent godlover in that you do not wish to seek the
truth.
You don't get it, do you?
duke
*****
Acts 2
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every
one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the
forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive
the gift of the Holy Spirit".
*****
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23 Mar 2005 11:54:09 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:50:25 +0800, "Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com>
wrote:
Whose imagination was it then that yang's uncle saddam gassed his own
people.
And what threat was that to the US and that doesn't even begin to compare
with the 2 million dead last time and 100,000 dead innocents this time.
Yep, thank yang's uncle saddam for that.
Nope, you voted for that, twice.
Every free world intelligence service was convinced that saddam had
wmd's.
Lies. That is not the case, in fact it is a fairytale because there were
plenty who said the exact opposite but as that didn't fit in with the
white
house quest for oil and monetary greed they were dismissed.
so I see you're a saddam supporter then.
Nope. I'm a supporter of justice.
Right, he put a bullet in the head of anyone that disagreed with him.
He kept the peace.
At least you are a consistent godlover in that you do not wish to seek
the
truth.
You don't get it, do you?
I get it plenty, you don't even want to know the truth.
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