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Why evolution can't advance
Cars: evidence against evolution?
by Renton Maclachlan
Imagine a standard model car as it rolls out of a vehicle assembly plant. No
frills, just the basic vehicle.
Now imagine that we want to produce a 'Deluxe' version of the same vehicle,
and beyond that a 'Super Sports Grand Prix.' The Deluxe model has extras
such as a radio/cassette, body trim, rear window heater, rev-counter, power
steering.
To produce the standard car you require instruction manuals to produce all
the pieces that make it up. But now that you are adding features, such as a
stereo, etc., you need extra information put into those manuals to describe
the production and assembly procedures for all of the added features, plus
alteration of the standard information so the new bits will fit.
If we now go to the 'Super Sports Grand Prix,' it has a CD player as well as
a 15-band graphic equalizer and electric aerial, a sunroof, mag wheels with
locking wheel nuts, fuel injection, four-speed automatic gearbox, high
compression head with four valves per cylinder plus other engine refinements
which together increase horsepower by 50%, triple swing-away quartz halogen
headlights, remotely controlled wing mirrors, computerized ignition and
braking systems, car phone, air bags, cruise control, fully reclining pure
leather bucket seats, and it's a fastback with aerofoils and tinted windows.
These additions require thousands of pages of new, detailed, and highly
accurate information to be put into the production and assembly manuals. And
this is not taking into account all the specialized machines that need to be
built-with all their production and assembly manuals-so that the new pieces
for the car can, in fact, be built!
Precisely the same sort of thing would have been necessary for the evolution
of living things (if it were true)-only living things have all the
production manuals and machines within them!
Beginning with raw chemistry, living things would have to have acquired,
over time, the myriad complex systems so common to us today. But for every
postulated evolutionary advance, that is, for the acquisition of every new
system, an increase of information is required. This is because biological
systems, like cars, derive from information. They do not come out of thin
air. The information comes before, and gives rise to the systems. Thus, to
get new systems you first of all need new information.
However, as evolution has no way to get either any initial information, or
the information necessary for each increase in complexity,1 it can be ruled
out of contention as the way living things came to be.
Renton MacLachlan has been promoting creation science for about 20 years. He
is married to Merilyn, who home-schools their three daughters. He directed
Inter-School Christian Fellowship summer camps for a decade, and has a
concern to publicly challenge non-Christian thought. Return to top.
References
Werner Gitt, In the Beginning was Information, CLV, Germany, 1997.
--
Listen to Zion Redemption's Radio hosted by Art Bulla on Sunday from 3 to 4
(pst). Just go to http://www.blogtalkradio.com/hostpage.aspx?host_id=3513
All are invited to call in live, email at art@artbulla.com, or by MSM
artbulla@hotmail.com. This show is dedicated to the redemption of Zion,
revelations of Jesus Christ, authority, Priesthood, Kingdom of God, doctrine
discussed pertaining to the salvation of Ephraim and Manasseh. During non
broadcast hours you can also listen to archived shows.
Aaron Kim
www.artbulla.com
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30 May 2007 07:33:57 PM |
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"Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote in message
news:5c6dajF2uvsoeU1@mid.individual.net...
Why evolution can't advance
Cars: evidence against evolution?
by Renton Maclachlan
Imagine a standard model car as it rolls out of a vehicle assembly plant.
No
frills, just the basic vehicle.
Now imagine that we want to produce a 'Deluxe' version of the same
vehicle,
and beyond that a 'Super Sports Grand Prix.' The Deluxe model has extras
such as a radio/cassette, body trim, rear window heater, rev-counter,
power
steering.
To produce the standard car you require instruction manuals to produce all
the pieces that make it up. But now that you are adding features, such as
a
stereo, etc., you need extra information put into those manuals to
describe
the production and assembly procedures for all of the added features, plus
alteration of the standard information so the new bits will fit.
If we now go to the 'Super Sports Grand Prix,' it has a CD player as well
as
a 15-band graphic equalizer and electric aerial, a sunroof, mag wheels
with
locking wheel nuts, fuel injection, four-speed automatic gearbox, high
compression head with four valves per cylinder plus other engine
refinements
which together increase horsepower by 50%, triple swing-away quartz
halogen
headlights, remotely controlled wing mirrors, computerized ignition and
braking systems, car phone, air bags, cruise control, fully reclining pure
leather bucket seats, and it's a fastback with aerofoils and tinted
windows.
These additions require thousands of pages of new, detailed, and highly
accurate information to be put into the production and assembly manuals.
And
this is not taking into account all the specialized machines that need to
be
built-with all their production and assembly manuals-so that the new
pieces
for the car can, in fact, be built!
Precisely the same sort of thing would have been necessary for the
evolution
of living things (if it were true)-only living things have all the
production manuals and machines within them!
Beginning with raw chemistry, living things would have to have acquired,
over time, the myriad complex systems so common to us today. But for every
postulated evolutionary advance, that is, for the acquisition of every new
system, an increase of information is required. This is because biological
systems, like cars, derive from information. They do not come out of thin
air. The information comes before, and gives rise to the systems. Thus, to
get new systems you first of all need new information.
However, as evolution has no way to get either any initial information, or
the information necessary for each increase in complexity,1 it can be
ruled
out of contention as the way living things came to be.
I can't believe anyone could be so stupid as you. Your ignorance of science
is so profound that there is no hope for you.
Evolution is not a thing that needs to get information like a factory owner.
If you cross breed two different breeds of dogs where do you think the newly
created breed got their new information?
I guess you think that it is God that created the new breed?
You are beyond logic.
Jamffer
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30 May 2007 08:46:25 PM |
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"Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote in message
news:5c6dajF2uvsoeU1@mid.individual.net...
Why evolution can't advance
Cars: evidence against evolution?
by Renton Maclachlan
Imagine a standard model car as it rolls out of a vehicle assembly plant.
No frills, just the basic vehicle.
Now imagine that we want to produce a 'Deluxe' version of the same
vehicle, and beyond that a 'Super Sports Grand Prix.' The Deluxe model has
extras such as a radio/cassette, body trim, rear window heater,
rev-counter, power steering.
To produce the standard car you require instruction manuals to produce all
the pieces that make it up.
Where can I buy those? I want to mak a car.
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31 May 2007 01:36:01 AM |
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On Thu, 31 May 2007 01:46:25 GMT, "ike milligan"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
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"Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote in message
news:5c6dajF2uvsoeU1@mid.individual.net...
Why evolution can't advance
Cars: evidence against evolution?
by Renton Maclachlan
Imagine a standard model car as it rolls out of a vehicle assembly plant.
No frills, just the basic vehicle.
Now imagine that we want to produce a 'Deluxe' version of the same
vehicle, and beyond that a 'Super Sports Grand Prix.' The Deluxe model has
extras such as a radio/cassette, body trim, rear window heater,
rev-counter, power steering.
To produce the standard car you require instruction manuals to produce all
the pieces that make it up.
Where can I buy those? I want to mak a car.
It is called "The Watchtower".
Read it, and you can make anything, but mainly big piles of *****.
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| User: "Smiler" |
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30 May 2007 07:22:06 PM |
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"Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote in message
news:5c6dajF2uvsoeU1@mid.individual.net...
Why evolution can't advance
Cars: evidence against evolution?
by Renton Maclachlan
Imagine a standard model car as it rolls out of a vehicle assembly plant.
No frills, just the basic vehicle.
Now imagine that we want to produce a 'Deluxe' version of the same
vehicle, and beyond that a 'Super Sports Grand Prix.' The Deluxe model has
extras such as a radio/cassette, body trim, rear window heater,
rev-counter, power steering.
To produce the standard car you require instruction manuals to produce all
the pieces that make it up. But now that you are adding features, such as
a stereo, etc., you need extra information put into those manuals to
describe the production and assembly procedures for all of the added
features, plus alteration of the standard information so the new bits will
fit.
If we now go to the 'Super Sports Grand Prix,' it has a CD player as well
as a 15-band graphic equalizer and electric aerial, a sunroof, mag wheels
with locking wheel nuts, fuel injection, four-speed automatic gearbox,
high compression head with four valves per cylinder plus other engine
refinements which together increase horsepower by 50%, triple swing-away
quartz halogen headlights, remotely controlled wing mirrors, computerized
ignition and braking systems, car phone, air bags, cruise control, fully
reclining pure leather bucket seats, and it's a fastback with aerofoils
and tinted windows.
These additions require thousands of pages of new, detailed, and highly
accurate information to be put into the production and assembly manuals.
And this is not taking into account all the specialized machines that need
to be built-with all their production and assembly manuals-so that the new
pieces for the car can, in fact, be built!
Precisely the same sort of thing would have been necessary for the
evolution of living things (if it were true)-only living things have all
the production manuals and machines within them!
Beginning with raw chemistry, living things would have to have acquired,
over time, the myriad complex systems so common to us today. But for every
postulated evolutionary advance, that is, for the acquisition of every new
system, an increase of information is required. This is because biological
systems, like cars, derive from information. They do not come out of thin
air. The information comes before, and gives rise to the systems. Thus, to
get new systems you first of all need new information.
However, as evolution has no way to get either any initial information, or
the information necessary for each increase in complexity,1 it can be
ruled out of contention as the way living things came to be.
Renton MacLachlan has been promoting creation science for about 20 years.
He is married to Merilyn, who home-schools their three daughters. He
directed Inter-School Christian Fellowship summer camps for a decade, and
has a concern to publicly challenge non-Christian thought. Return to top.
References
Werner Gitt,
What an appropriate name!
Smiler,
The godless one
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31 May 2007 09:05:30 AM |
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"Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote in message
news:5c6dajF2uvsoeU1@mid.individual.net...
Why evolution can't advance
Cars: evidence against evolution?
by Renton Maclachlan
Imagine a standard model car as it rolls out of a vehicle assembly plant.
No frills, just the basic vehicle.
Now imagine that we want to produce a 'Deluxe' version of the same
vehicle, and beyond that a 'Super Sports Grand Prix.' The Deluxe model has
extras such as a radio/cassette, body trim, rear window heater,
rev-counter, power steering.
To produce the standard car you require instruction manuals to produce all
the pieces that make it up. But now that you are adding features, such as
a stereo, etc., you need extra information put into those manuals to
describe the production and assembly procedures for all of the added
features, plus alteration of the standard information so the new bits will
fit.
If we now go to the 'Super Sports Grand Prix,' it has a CD player as well
as a 15-band graphic equalizer and electric aerial, a sunroof, mag wheels
with locking wheel nuts, fuel injection, four-speed automatic gearbox,
high compression head with four valves per cylinder plus other engine
refinements which together increase horsepower by 50%, triple swing-away
quartz halogen headlights, remotely controlled wing mirrors, computerized
ignition and braking systems, car phone, air bags, cruise control, fully
reclining pure leather bucket seats, and it's a fastback with aerofoils
and tinted windows.
These additions require thousands of pages of new, detailed, and highly
accurate information to be put into the production and assembly manuals.
And this is not taking into account all the specialized machines that need
to be built-with all their production and assembly manuals-so that the new
pieces for the car can, in fact, be built!
Precisely the same sort of thing would have been necessary for the
evolution of living things (if it were true)-only living things have all
the production manuals and machines within them!
An analogy is NOT the same thing as what it describes.
Beginning with raw chemistry, living things would have to have acquired,
over time, the myriad complex systems so common to us today. But for every
postulated evolutionary advance, that is, for the acquisition of every new
system, an increase of information is required. This is because biological
systems, like cars, derive from information. They do not come out of thin
air. The information comes before, and gives rise to the systems. Thus, to
get new systems you first of all need new information.
Yea ......... it's called DNA, and the chemical modification OF DNA.
However, as evolution has no way to get either any initial information, or
the information necessary for each increase in complexity,1 it can be
ruled out of contention as the way living things came to be.
Bull *****!
Renton MacLachlan has been promoting creation science for about 20 years.
He is married to Merilyn, who home-schools their three daughters. He
directed Inter-School Christian Fellowship summer camps for a decade, and
has a concern to publicly challenge non-Christian thought. Return to top.
IOW - he a fanatical, moronic, uneducated, idiot who thinks his variation
of his religion is better than reality.
The kids should be removed from these mentally incompetent and abusive
parents.
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| User: "Art Bulla" |
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02 Jun 2007 02:38:11 PM |
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Aaron, in your signature, please change "hosted by artbulla" to "hosted by
Aaron Kim and Art Bulla" or "hosted by Art Bulla and Aaron Kim", since you
are the cohost. By the way, I received from Amazon.com the volume decried
by the Antichrists on Slashdot, one of him judge the book by its cover, a
classic indication of bigotry! This author is extremely perspicacious in
exposing the fallacies of evolution and making them self-evident to any
person with common sense. Cakes don't make themselves, roads don't pave
themselves, Tiger false does not flow backwards even in a billion years,
buildings don't build themselves, and matter does not self-start to organize
itself to into a complex ecology the crown of which is the monumental
complexity of the human body with its "intimations on immortality" as canned
by William Wordsworth:
Ye blessèd creatures, I have heard the call
Ye to each other make; I see
The heavens laugh with you in your jubilee;
My heart is at your festival, 40
My head hath its coronal,
The fulness of your bliss, I feel-I feel it all.
O evil day! if I were sullen
While Earth herself is adorning,
This sweet May-morning, 45
And the children are culling
On every side,
In a thousand valleys far and wide,
Fresh flowers; while the sun shines warm,
And the babe leaps up on his mother's arm:- 50
I hear, I hear, with joy I hear!
-But there's a tree, of many, one,
A single field which I have look'd upon,
Both of them speak of something that is gone:
The pansy at my feet 55
Doth the same tale repeat:
Whither is fled the visionary gleam?
Where is it now, the glory and the dream?
Our birth is but a sleep and a forgetting:
The Soul that rises with us, our life's Star, 60
Hath had elsewhere its setting,
And cometh from afar:
Not in entire forgetfulness,
And not in utter nakedness,
But trailing clouds of glory do we come 65
From God, who is our home:
Heaven lies about us in our infancy!
Shades of the prison-house begin to close
Upon the growing Boy,
But he beholds the light, and whence it flows, 70
He sees it in his joy;
The topic of tomorrow's broadcast is "More on Adam God". One may link to
hear the broadcast live at two o'clock Pacific standard Time:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/hostpage.aspx?host_id=3513
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Website: http://www.artbulla.com
5 And it speaketh harshly against sin, according to the plainness of the
truth; wherefore, no man will be angry at the words which I have written
save he shall be of the spirit of the devil.
6 I glory in plainness; I glory in truth; I glory in my Jesus, for he hath
redeemed my soul from hell.
(2 Nephi 33:5 - 6)
26 And ye have murmured because he hath been plain unto you. Ye say that
he hath used sharpness; ye say that he hath been angry with you; but behold,
his sharpness was the sharpness of the power of the word of God, which was
in him; and that which ye call anger was the truth, according to that which
is in God, which he could not restrain, manifesting boldly concerning your
iniquities.
27 And it must needs be that the power of God must be with him, even unto
his commanding you that ye must obey. But behold, it was not he, but it was
the Spirit of the Lord which was in him, which opened his mouth to utterance
that he could not shut it.
(Book of Mormon | 2 Nephi 1:26 - 27)
"What Joseph meant by being damned was that people will go into the spirit
world without the Priesthood, and consequently they are under the power of
Satan, and will have to be redeemed, or else they will be forever under his
power. That is all there is about that."
(Journal of Discourses, 26 vols., 17:, p.159)
"I am like a huge rough stone rolling down from a high mountain; and the
only polishing I get is when some corner gets rubbed off by coming in
contact with something else, striking with accelerated force against
religious bigotry, priestcraft, lawyer-craft, doctor-craft, lying editors,
suborned judges and jurors, and the authority of perjured executives, backed
by mobs, blasphemers, licentious and corrupt men and women, all hell
knocking off a corner here and a corner there. Thus will I become a smooth
and polished shaft in the quiver of the Almighty." (Teachings of the
Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 304.)
"I just tell em the truth, and they think it's hell." Harry Truman
THE GOLDEN RULE OF DISINFORMERS:
Always accuse your adversary of whatever is true about yourself.
"Nothing has more retarded the advancement of learning than the disposition
of vulgar minds to ridicule and vilify what they do not understand."
Dr.Samuel Johnson.
The Revelations of Jesus Christ:
<http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?isbn=0-595-28287-3>
Discourses of Brigham Young, Pg.68
As it has always been, and will be yet for some time, when the sons
of God assemble together Satan will be on hand as an accuser of the
brethren, to find fault with those who are trying to do good.
"But we ask, does it remain for a people who never had faith enough to call
down one scrap of revelation from heaven, and for all they have now are
indebted
to the faith of another people...does it remain for them to say how much God
has
spoken and how much He has not spoken?" Joseph Smith
"Every generation has flattered itself that it is a little better than the
one that preceded it. Every generation has prided itself in its knowledge
and great advancement in the arts and sciences and its superiority over
preceding generations; yet the power of the adversary and his hatred of
righteousness and truth are as great to-day as they ever were since the
creation of the earth." Journal of Discourses, Vol.11, Pg.228 - Pg.229,
George Q. Cannon, May 6, 1866
"Some men are natural born saints; whenever a principle is advanced they
understand it, and drink it in; * * * while there are others who do not
understand and oppose every principle that is not clear to their mind. This
can be accounted for, that we are not all pure blooded, for Ephraim became
foolish and mixed up with the gentiles. When we find the pure blood of
Ephraim, we find a natural born child of God and there is nothing in the
gospel that is objectionable to them, but the others have to exercise faith
in God and humble themselves before Him and live for it." (Deseret Weekly,
50:250-251)
"Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote in message
news:5c6dajF2uvsoeU1@mid.individual.net...
Why evolution can't advance
Cars: evidence against evolution?
by Renton Maclachlan
Imagine a standard model car as it rolls out of a vehicle assembly plant.
No frills, just the basic vehicle.
Now imagine that we want to produce a 'Deluxe' version of the same
vehicle, and beyond that a 'Super Sports Grand Prix.' The Deluxe model has
extras such as a radio/cassette, body trim, rear window heater,
rev-counter, power steering.
To produce the standard car you require instruction manuals to produce all
the pieces that make it up. But now that you are adding features, such as
a stereo, etc., you need extra information put into those manuals to
describe the production and assembly procedures for all of the added
features, plus alteration of the standard information so the new bits will
fit.
If we now go to the 'Super Sports Grand Prix,' it has a CD player as well
as a 15-band graphic equalizer and electric aerial, a sunroof, mag wheels
with locking wheel nuts, fuel injection, four-speed automatic gearbox,
high compression head with four valves per cylinder plus other engine
refinements which together increase horsepower by 50%, triple swing-away
quartz halogen headlights, remotely controlled wing mirrors, computerized
ignition and braking systems, car phone, air bags, cruise control, fully
reclining pure leather bucket seats, and it's a fastback with aerofoils
and tinted windows.
These additions require thousands of pages of new, detailed, and highly
accurate information to be put into the production and assembly manuals.
And this is not taking into account all the specialized machines that need
to be built-with all their production and assembly manuals-so that the new
pieces for the car can, in fact, be built!
Precisely the same sort of thing would have been necessary for the
evolution of living things (if it were true)-only living things have all
the production manuals and machines within them!
Beginning with raw chemistry, living things would have to have acquired,
over time, the myriad complex systems so common to us today. But for every
postulated evolutionary advance, that is, for the acquisition of every new
system, an increase of information is required. This is because biological
systems, like cars, derive from information. They do not come out of thin
air. The information comes before, and gives rise to the systems. Thus, to
get new systems you first of all need new information.
However, as evolution has no way to get either any initial information, or
the information necessary for each increase in complexity,1 it can be
ruled out of contention as the way living things came to be.
Renton MacLachlan has been promoting creation science for about 20 years.
He is married to Merilyn, who home-schools their three daughters. He
directed Inter-School Christian Fellowship summer camps for a decade, and
has a concern to publicly challenge non-Christian thought. Return to top.
References
Werner Gitt, In the Beginning was Information, CLV, Germany, 1997.
--
Listen to Zion Redemption's Radio hosted by Art Bulla on Sunday from 3 to
4 (pst). Just go to
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/hostpage.aspx?host_id=3513 All are invited to
call in live, email at art@artbulla.com, or by MSM artbulla@hotmail.com.
This show is dedicated to the redemption of Zion, revelations of Jesus
Christ, authority, Priesthood, Kingdom of God, doctrine discussed
pertaining to the salvation of Ephraim and Manasseh. During non broadcast
hours you can also listen to archived shows.
Aaron Kim
www.artbulla.com
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02 Jun 2007 03:53:48 PM |
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"Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com> wrote in message
news:5cdv96F308sh4U1@mid.individual.net...
Aaron, in your signature, please change "hosted by artbulla" to "hosted by
Aaron Kim and Art Bulla" or "hosted by Art Bulla and Aaron Kim", since you
are the cohost. By the way, I received from Amazon.com the volume decried
by the Antichrists on Slashdot, one of him judge the book by its cover, a
classic indication of bigotry! This author is extremely perspicacious in
exposing the fallacies of evolution and making them self-evident to any
person with common sense. Cakes don't make themselves, roads don't pave
themselves, Tiger false does not flow backwards even in a billion years,
buildings don't build themselves, and matter does not self-start to
organize itself to into a complex ecology the crown of which is the
monumental complexity of the human body with its "intimations on
immortality" as canned by William Wordsworth:
Ok, Art, I just made the change. That book sounds interesting. It doesn't
surprise me that the Darwinists would be so bigoted against it as it exposes
their lies for all to see.
Ye blessèd creatures, I have heard the call
Ye to each other make; I see
The heavens laugh with you in your jubilee;
My heart is at your festival, 40
My head hath its coronal,
The fulness of your bliss, I feel-I feel it all.
O evil day! if I were sullen
While Earth herself is adorning,
This sweet May-morning, 45
And the children are culling
On every side,
In a thousand valleys far and wide,
Fresh flowers; while the sun shines warm,
And the babe leaps up on his mother's arm:- 50
I hear, I hear, with joy I hear!
-But there's a tree, of many, one,
A single field which I have look'd upon,
Both of them speak of something that is gone:
The pansy at my feet 55
Doth the same tale repeat:
Whither is fled the visionary gleam?
Where is it now, the glory and the dream?
Our birth is but a sleep and a forgetting:
The Soul that rises with us, our life's Star, 60
Hath had elsewhere its setting,
And cometh from afar:
Not in entire forgetfulness,
And not in utter nakedness,
But trailing clouds of glory do we come 65
From God, who is our home:
Heaven lies about us in our infancy!
Shades of the prison-house begin to close
Upon the growing Boy,
But he beholds the light, and whence it flows, 70
He sees it in his joy;
The topic of tomorrow's broadcast is "More on Adam God". One may link to
hear the broadcast live at two o'clock Pacific standard Time:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/hostpage.aspx?host_id=3513
.
--
Website: http://www.artbulla.com
5 And it speaketh harshly against sin, according to the plainness of the
truth; wherefore, no man will be angry at the words which I have written
save he shall be of the spirit of the devil.
6 I glory in plainness; I glory in truth; I glory in my Jesus, for he
hath redeemed my soul from hell.
(2 Nephi 33:5 - 6)
26 And ye have murmured because he hath been plain unto you. Ye say that
he hath used sharpness; ye say that he hath been angry with you; but
behold, his sharpness was the sharpness of the power of the word of God,
which was in him; and that which ye call anger was the truth, according to
that which is in God, which he could not restrain, manifesting boldly
concerning your iniquities.
27 And it must needs be that the power of God must be with him, even unto
his commanding you that ye must obey. But behold, it was not he, but it
was the Spirit of the Lord which was in him, which opened his mouth to
utterance that he could not shut it.
(Book of Mormon | 2 Nephi 1:26 - 27)
"What Joseph meant by being damned was that people will go into the spirit
world without the Priesthood, and consequently they are under the power of
Satan, and will have to be redeemed, or else they will be forever under
his power. That is all there is about that."
(Journal of Discourses, 26 vols., 17:, p.159)
"I am like a huge rough stone rolling down from a high mountain; and the
only polishing I get is when some corner gets rubbed off by coming in
contact with something else, striking with accelerated force against
religious bigotry, priestcraft, lawyer-craft, doctor-craft, lying editors,
suborned judges and jurors, and the authority of perjured executives,
backed by mobs, blasphemers, licentious and corrupt men and women, all
hell knocking off a corner here and a corner there. Thus will I become a
smooth and polished shaft in the quiver of the Almighty." (Teachings of
the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 304.)
"I just tell em the truth, and they think it's hell." Harry Truman
THE GOLDEN RULE OF DISINFORMERS:
Always accuse your adversary of whatever is true about yourself.
"Nothing has more retarded the advancement of learning than the
disposition of vulgar minds to ridicule and vilify what they do not
understand." Dr.Samuel Johnson.
The Revelations of Jesus Christ:
<http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?isbn=0-595-28287-3>
Discourses of Brigham Young, Pg.68
As it has always been, and will be yet for some time, when the sons
of God assemble together Satan will be on hand as an accuser of the
brethren, to find fault with those who are trying to do good.
"But we ask, does it remain for a people who never had faith enough to
call
down one scrap of revelation from heaven, and for all they have now are
indebted
to the faith of another people...does it remain for them to say how much
God has
spoken and how much He has not spoken?" Joseph Smith
"Every generation has flattered itself that it is a little better than the
one that preceded it. Every generation has prided itself in its knowledge
and great advancement in the arts and sciences and its superiority over
preceding generations; yet the power of the adversary and his hatred of
righteousness and truth are as great to-day as they ever were since the
creation of the earth." Journal of Discourses, Vol.11, Pg.228 - Pg.229,
George Q. Cannon, May 6, 1866
"Some men are natural born saints; whenever a principle is advanced they
understand it, and drink it in; * * * while there are others who do not
understand and oppose every principle that is not clear to their mind.
This can be accounted for, that we are not all pure blooded, for Ephraim
became foolish and mixed up with the gentiles. When we find the pure blood
of Ephraim, we find a natural born child of God and there is nothing in
the gospel that is objectionable to them, but the others have to exercise
faith in God and humble themselves before Him and live for it." (Deseret
Weekly, 50:250-251)
"Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote in message
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Why evolution can't advance
Cars: evidence against evolution?
by Renton Maclachlan
Imagine a standard model car as it rolls out of a vehicle assembly plant.
No frills, just the basic vehicle.
Now imagine that we want to produce a 'Deluxe' version of the same
vehicle, and beyond that a 'Super Sports Grand Prix.' The Deluxe model
has extras such as a radio/cassette, body trim, rear window heater,
rev-counter, power steering.
To produce the standard car you require instruction manuals to produce
all the pieces that make it up. But now that you are adding features,
such as a stereo, etc., you need extra information put into those manuals
to describe the production and assembly procedures for all of the added
features, plus alteration of the standard information so the new bits
will fit.
If we now go to the 'Super Sports Grand Prix,' it has a CD player as well
as a 15-band graphic equalizer and electric aerial, a sunroof, mag wheels
with locking wheel nuts, fuel injection, four-speed automatic gearbox,
high compression head with four valves per cylinder plus other engine
refinements which together increase horsepower by 50%, triple swing-away
quartz halogen headlights, remotely controlled wing mirrors, computerized
ignition and braking systems, car phone, air bags, cruise control, fully
reclining pure leather bucket seats, and it's a fastback with aerofoils
and tinted windows.
These additions require thousands of pages of new, detailed, and highly
accurate information to be put into the production and assembly manuals.
And this is not taking into account all the specialized machines that
need to be built-with all their production and assembly manuals-so that
the new pieces for the car can, in fact, be built!
Precisely the same sort of thing would have been necessary for the
evolution of living things (if it were true)-only living things have all
the production manuals and machines within them!
Beginning with raw chemistry, living things would have to have acquired,
over time, the myriad complex systems so common to us today. But for
every postulated evolutionary advance, that is, for the acquisition of
every new system, an increase of information is required. This is because
biological systems, like cars, derive from information. They do not come
out of thin air. The information comes before, and gives rise to the
systems. Thus, to get new systems you first of all need new information.
However, as evolution has no way to get either any initial information,
or the information necessary for each increase in complexity,1 it can be
ruled out of contention as the way living things came to be.
Renton MacLachlan has been promoting creation science for about 20 years.
He is married to Merilyn, who home-schools their three daughters. He
directed Inter-School Christian Fellowship summer camps for a decade, and
has a concern to publicly challenge non-Christian thought. Return to top.
References
Werner Gitt, In the Beginning was Information, CLV, Germany, 1997.
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to call in live, email at art@artbulla.com, or by MSM
artbulla@hotmail.com. This show is dedicated to the redemption of Zion,
revelations of Jesus Christ, authority, Priesthood, Kingdom of God,
doctrine discussed pertaining to the salvation of Ephraim and Manasseh.
During non broadcast hours you can also listen to archived shows.
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On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:53:48 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote:
Ok, Art, I just made the change. That book sounds interesting. It doesn't
surprise me that the Darwinists would be so bigoted against it as it exposes
their lies for all to see.
<SNIP>
Darwinists? Lol, why not call us Gravitationists? Ever hear about the theory
of gravitation?
Carbon dating is the indisputable evidence that shows Genesis is just a myth.
You've been lied to but it is not from the Dar^H^H^H Gravitationists!
Ben
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Gravitation is defined as law by the following F=G(m1*m2)/r^2. This is aLAW
"discovered" by Sir Isaac Newton and is called the Law of Gravitation. It
is a law, get it yet, fool? LAW! Something you liberal atheist meatheads
know nothing about. But you will know when you are brouht to stand before
my God whom I have seen while caught up to give an account of every idle
word spoken while here in this probation.
"Ben Kaufman" <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:53:48 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote:
Ok, Art, I just made the change. That book sounds interesting. It doesn't
surprise me that the Darwinists would be so bigoted against it as it
exposes
their lies for all to see.
<SNIP>
Darwinists? Lol, why not call us Gravitationists? Ever hear about the
theory
of gravitation?
Carbon dating is the indisputable evidence that shows Genesis is just a
myth.
You've been lied to but it is not from the Dar^H^H^H Gravitationists!
Ben
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04 Jun 2007 10:37:29 PM |
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Hey "bright eyes", you just shot yourself in the foot. Think about it for a
moment. There is the theory of gravitation and laws of gravitation. We do not
know everything about gravity such as what causes gravity (other than it is a
property of mass) but we still believe in it because we can see the effects.
It's the same for evolution, we cannot account for every single species that
ever inhabited this planet because only a very small sample of things get
fossilized but we have seen enough evidence to know that it definitely happened
and is still happening on a micro and macro level. And by the way, you are the
meat head because a significant percentage of theists accept evolution as fact
too.
Ben
On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:13:08 -0700, "Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com> wrote:
Gravitation is defined as law by the following F=G(m1*m2)/r^2. This is aLAW
"discovered" by Sir Isaac Newton and is called the Law of Gravitation. It
is a law, get it yet, fool? LAW! Something you liberal atheist meatheads
know nothing about. But you will know when you are brouht to stand before
my God whom I have seen while caught up to give an account of every idle
word spoken while here in this probation.
"Ben Kaufman" <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:goe5631fqard6et66i7r3u8jpgf8aluiom@4ax.com...
On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:53:48 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote:
Ok, Art, I just made the change. That book sounds interesting. It doesn't
surprise me that the Darwinists would be so bigoted against it as it
exposes
their lies for all to see.
<SNIP>
Darwinists? Lol, why not call us Gravitationists? Ever hear about the
theory
of gravitation?
Carbon dating is the indisputable evidence that shows Genesis is just a
myth.
You've been lied to but it is not from the Dar^H^H^H Gravitationists!
Ben
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08 Jun 2007 11:08:18 PM |
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"Ben Kaufman" <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote in message
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Hey "bright eyes", you just shot yourself in the foot. Think about it
for a
moment. There is the theory of gravitation and laws of gravitation. We do
not
know everything about gravity such as what causes gravity (other than it
is a
property of mass) but we still believe in it because we can see the
effects.
It's the same for evolution, we cannot account for every single species
that
ever inhabited this planet because only a very small sample of things get
fossilized but we have seen enough evidence to know that it definitely
happened
and is still happening on a micro and macro level.
A false assertion. We do not see evolution happening on any level.
And by the way, you are the
meat head because a significant percentage of theists accept evolution as
fact
too.
Ben
Evolution Those theists have been brainwashed into buying evolution.
On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:13:08 -0700, "Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com> wrote:
Gravitation is defined as law by the following F=G(m1*m2)/r^2. This is
aLAW
"discovered" by Sir Isaac Newton and is called the Law of Gravitation. It
is a law, get it yet, fool? LAW! Something you liberal atheist meatheads
know nothing about. But you will know when you are brouht to stand before
my God whom I have seen while caught up to give an account of every idle
word spoken while here in this probation.
"Ben Kaufman" <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote in
message
news:goe5631fqard6et66i7r3u8jpgf8aluiom@4ax.com...
On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:53:48 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com>
wrote:
Ok, Art, I just made the change. That book sounds interesting. It
doesn't
surprise me that the Darwinists would be so bigoted against it as it
exposes
their lies for all to see.
<SNIP>
Darwinists? Lol, why not call us Gravitationists? Ever hear about the
theory
of gravitation?
Carbon dating is the indisputable evidence that shows Genesis is just a
myth.
You've been lied to but it is not from the Dar^H^H^H Gravitationists!
Ben
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08 Jun 2007 11:19:43 PM |
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"Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote in message
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"Ben Kaufman" <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote in
message news:5jl9635hhp3p9e2d1i3kep6v24dcs3au8r@4ax.com...
[snip]
It's the same for evolution, we cannot account for every single species
that
ever inhabited this planet because only a very small sample of things get
fossilized but we have seen enough evidence to know that it definitely
happened and is still happening on a micro and macro level.
A false assertion. We do not see evolution happening on any level.
Yes, _you_ are making a blatantly false assertion.
Evolution is indeed observed to occur at both "micro" and "macro"
levels, and it is observed both in nature and in the laboratory.
http://www.talkorigins.org/
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/outline.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-qa.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-mustread.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-evolution.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
http://evolution.mbdojo.com/evolution-for-beginners.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/other-links-gensci.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/other-links.html#evolution
http://evolution.berkeley.edu
And by the way, you are the
meat head because a significant percentage of theists accept evolution as
fact too.
Evolution Those theists have been brainwashed into buying evolution.
Gee, it's pernicious how they can get "brainwashed" by exposure to
the scientific evidence.
[snip]
cheers
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08 Jun 2007 11:49:18 PM |
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On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 21:08:18 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote:
"Ben Kaufman" <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:5jl9635hhp3p9e2d1i3kep6v24dcs3au8r@4ax.com...
Hey "bright eyes", you just shot yourself in the foot. Think about it
for a
moment. There is the theory of gravitation and laws of gravitation. We do
not
know everything about gravity such as what causes gravity (other than it
is a
property of mass) but we still believe in it because we can see the
effects.
It's the same for evolution, we cannot account for every single species
that
ever inhabited this planet because only a very small sample of things get
fossilized but we have seen enough evidence to know that it definitely
happened
and is still happening on a micro and macro level.
A false assertion. We do not see evolution happening on any level.
Behold!
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/macroevolution.html
Ben
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10 Jun 2007 04:30:02 AM |
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[snips]
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 21:08:18 -0700, Aaron Kim wrote:
A false assertion. We do not see evolution happening on any level.
*You* might not, but then you've amply demonstrated you're sufficiently
ignorant of the subject you wouldn't recognize it if you did see it, so
whether you see it or not really doesn't mean anything. Those who
actually know what the subject is, what it entails, do see it - you know,
people who actually know what they're talking about.
Evolution Those theists have been brainwashed into buying evolution.
How horrible, theists with a science education. Must really frighten the
ones like you who don't have one.
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But loving a cat is not a sin. - Kevin Mckenzie
It depends on wether you use duct tape or not. - J.J. Hitt
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05 Jun 2007 06:17:13 AM |
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On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 23:37:29 -0400, Ben Kaufman
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote:
- Refer: <5jl9635hhp3p9e2d1i3kep6v24dcs3au8r@4ax.com>
Hey "bright eyes", you just shot yourself in the foot. Think about it for a
moment. There is the theory of gravitation and laws of gravitation. We do not
know everything about gravity such as what causes gravity (other than it is a
property of mass) but we still believe in it because we can see the effects.
It's the same for evolution, we cannot account for every single species that
ever inhabited this planet because only a very small sample of things get
fossilized but we have seen enough evidence to know that it definitely happened
and is still happening on a micro and macro level. And by the way, you are the
meat head because a significant percentage of theists accept evolution as fact
too.
They are not the ones who he seeks to fleece and exploit with his
ludicrous and transparently infantile scam.
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04 Jun 2007 02:21:06 PM |
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On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:13:08 -0700 there was an Ancient "Art Bulla"
<art@artbulla.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Gravitation is defined as law by the following F=G(m1*m2)/r^2. This is aLAW
"discovered" by Sir Isaac Newton and is called the Law of Gravitation. It
is a law, get it yet, fool? LAW! Something you liberal atheist meatheads
know nothing about. But you will know when you are brouht to stand before
my God whom I have seen while caught up to give an account of every idle
word spoken while here in this probation.
OK, how does gravity work.
What is the attracting force? Is it a particle? A field of energy? how
can we detect the force itself as opposed to just measuring effects?
Evolution is the same way. We can see and measure the effects, but
are not completely sure about the mechanism.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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04 Jun 2007 05:05:38 PM |
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On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:13:08 -0700, "Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <5civhbF309rfrU1@mid.individual.net>
Gravitation is defined as law by the following F=G(m1*m2)/r^2. This is aLAW
"discovered" by Sir Isaac Newton and is called the Law of Gravitation. It
is a law, get it yet, fool? LAW! Something you liberal atheist meatheads
know nothing about. But you will know when you are brouht to stand before
my God whom I have seen while caught up to give an account of every idle
word spoken while here in this probation.
Seen God, eh?
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04 Jun 2007 08:29:33 PM |
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:13:08 -0700, "Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <5civhbF309rfrU1@mid.individual.net>
Gravitation is defined as law by the following F=G(m1*m2)/r^2. This is
aLAW
"discovered" by Sir Isaac Newton and is called the Law of Gravitation. It
is a law, get it yet, fool? LAW! Something you liberal atheist meatheads
know nothing about. But you will know when you are brouht to stand before
my God whom I have seen while caught up to give an account of every idle
word spoken while here in this probation.
Seen God, eh?
One upmanship?
Most of the theists that come here only claim to have 'heard' god or "felt"
god.
He want's to go one better.
Did you notice that it's "his" god, nobody elses god, just "his".
He appears to have exclusive rights to "his" god.
That lets us out, then. Phew!
Smiler,
The godless one
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08 Jun 2007 09:19:29 PM |
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"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote in message
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:13:08 -0700, "Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <5civhbF309rfrU1@mid.individual.net>
Gravitation is defined as law by the following F=G(m1*m2)/r^2. This is
aLAW
"discovered" by Sir Isaac Newton and is called the Law of Gravitation.
It
is a law, get it yet, fool? LAW! Something you liberal atheist meatheads
know nothing about. But you will know when you are brouht to stand
before
my God whom I have seen while caught up to give an account of every idle
word spoken while here in this probation.
Seen God, eh?
One upmanship?
Most of the theists that come here only claim to have 'heard' god or
"felt" god.
He want's to go one better.
Did you notice that it's "his" god, nobody elses god, just "his".
He appears to have exclusive rights to "his" god.
That lets us out, then. Phew!
God has prophets through whom He gives revelation to the rest of mankind.
I've received testimony by the Holy Spirit that Art is a true prophet. There
are others who have seen God face to face.
13 And behold, the heavens were opened, and they were caught up into heaven,
and saw and heard unspeakable things.
(Book of Mormon|3 Nephi 28)
The passage below is the Apostle Paul referring to himself:
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I
cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such
an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot
tell: God knoweth;)
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words,
which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
(Bible| 2 Corinthians 12)
Just because God has not shown Himself to you does not mean He does not
exist.
42 And whoso knocketh, to him will he open; and the wise, and the learned,
and they that are rich, who are puffed up because of their learning, and
their wisdom, and their riches-yea, they are they whom he despiseth; and
save they shall cast these things away, and consider themselves fools before
God, and come down in the depths of humility, he will not open unto them.
(Book of Mormon |2 Nephi 9)
Aaron Kim
www.artbulla.com
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08 Jun 2007 11:10:39 PM |
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"Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote in message
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"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote in message
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:13:08 -0700, "Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <5civhbF309rfrU1@mid.individual.net>
Gravitation is defined as law by the following F=G(m1*m2)/r^2. This is
aLAW
"discovered" by Sir Isaac Newton and is called the Law of Gravitation.
It
is a law, get it yet, fool? LAW! Something you liberal atheist meatheads
know nothing about. But you will know when you are brouht to stand
before
my God whom I have seen while caught up to give an account of every idle
word spoken while here in this probation.
Seen God, eh?
One upmanship?
Most of the theists that come here only claim to have 'heard' god or
"felt" god.
He want's to go one better.
Did you notice that it's "his" god, nobody elses god, just "his".
He appears to have exclusive rights to "his" god.
That lets us out, then. Phew!
God has prophets through whom He gives revelation to the rest of mankind.
I've received testimony by the Holy Spirit that Art is a true prophet.
There are others who have seen God face to face.
"Testimony" = voices in your head.
Go see a shrink.
13 And behold, the heavens were opened, and they were caught up into
heaven, and saw and heard unspeakable things.
(Book of Mormon|3 Nephi 28)
The passage below is the Apostle Paul referring to himself:
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I
cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such
an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I
cannot tell: God knoweth;)
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words,
which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
(Bible| 2 Corinthians 12)
Just because God has not shown Himself to you does not mean He does not
exist.
It also doesn't mean that he does exist, other than in your delusional mind.
And just because you post quotes from books we know to be total *****
doesn't prove the existence of your sky fairy.
Next time, try posting observable, repeatable, objective scientific proof.
Smiler,
The godless one
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| Title: Re: Why Evolution Can't Advance/ Cars: Evidence Against Evolution |
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"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:13:08 -0700, "Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com>
wrote:
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Gravitation is defined as law by the following F=G(m1*m2)/r^2. This is
aLAW
"discovered" by Sir Isaac Newton and is called the Law of Gravitation.
It
is a law, get it yet, fool? LAW! Something you liberal atheist
meatheads
know nothing about. But you will know when you are brouht to stand
before
my God whom I have seen while caught up to give an account of every
idle
word spoken while here in this probation.
Seen God, eh?
One upmanship?
Most of the theists that come here only claim to have 'heard' god or
"felt" god.
He want's to go one better.
Did you notice that it's "his" god, nobody elses god, just "his".
He appears to have exclusive rights to "his" god.
That lets us out, then. Phew!
God has prophets through whom He gives revelation to the rest of mankind.
I've received testimony by the Holy Spirit that Art is a true prophet.
There are others who have seen God face to face.
"Testimony" = voices in your head.
Go see a shrink.
13 And behold, the heavens were opened, and they were caught up into
heaven, and saw and heard unspeakable things.
(Book of Mormon|3 Nephi 28)
The passage below is the Apostle Paul referring to himself:
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body,
I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)
such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I
cannot tell: God knoweth;)
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words,
which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
(Bible| 2 Corinthians 12)
Just because God has not shown Himself to you does not mean He does not
exist.
It also doesn't mean that he does exist, other than in your delusional
mind.
And just because you post quotes from books we know to be total *****
doesn't prove the existence of your sky fairy.
Next time, try posting observable, repeatable, objective scientific proof.
Smiler,
The godless one
You weren't there to see the Big Bang and evolution happen over a billion of
years. Like I've said before it's just speculation. It's idiotic to believe
that anything could build itself on its own by accident when you see the
sheer complexity of life. Throw a deck of cards in the air and land it as a
deck of cards. That's how evolution operates. It is the religion of
atheists.
12 And this Anti-Christ, whose name was Korihor, (and the law could have no
hold upon him) began to preach unto the people that there should be no
Christ. And after this manner did he preach, saying:
13 O ye that are bound down under a foolish and a vain hope, why do ye yoke
yourselves with such foolish things? Why do ye look for a Christ? For no man
can know of anything which is to come.
14 Behold, these things which ye call prophecies, which ye say are handed
down by holy prophets, behold, they are foolish traditions of your fathers.
15 How do ye know of their surety? Behold, ye cannot know of things which ye
do not see; therefore ye cannot know that there shall be a Christ.
16 Ye look forward and say that ye see a remission of your sins. But behold,
it is the effect of a frenzied mind; and this derangement of your minds
comes because of the traditions of your fathers, which lead you away into a
belief of things which are not so.
17 And many more such things did he say unto them, telling them that there
could be no atonement made for the sins of men, but every man fared in this
life according to the management of the creature; therefore every man
prospered according to his genius, and that every man conquered according to
his strength; and whatsoever a man did was no crime.
18 And thus he did preach unto them, leading away the hearts of many,
causing them to lift up their heads in their wickedness, yea, leading away
many women, evolutand also men, to commit whoredoms-telling them that when a
man was dead, that was the end thereof.
19 Now this man went over to the land of Jershon also, to preach these
things among the people of Ammon, who were once the people of the Lamanites.
20 But behold they were more wise than many of the Nephites; for they took
him, and bound him, and carried him before Ammon, who was a high priest over
that people.
21 And it came to pass that he caused that he should be carried out of the
land. And he came over into the land of Gideon, and began to preach unto
them also; and here he did not have much success, for he was taken and bound
and carried before the high priest, and also the chief judge over the land.
22 And it came to pass that the high priest said unto him: Why do ye go
about perverting the ways of the Lord? Why do ye teach this people that
there shall be no Christ, to interrupt their rejoicings? Why do ye speak
against all the prophecies of the holy prophets?
23 Now the high priest's name was Giddonah. And Korihor said unto him:
Because I do not teach the foolish traditions of your fathers, and because I
do not teach this people to bind themselves down under the foolish
ordinances and performances which are laid down by ancient priests, to usurp
power and authority over them, to keep them in ignorance, that they may not
lift up their heads, but be brought down according to thy words.
24 Ye say that this people is a free people. Behold, I say they are in
bondage. Ye say that those ancient prophecies are true. Behold, I say that
ye do not know that they are true.
25 Ye say that this people is a guilty and a fallen people, because of the
transgression of a parent. Behold, I say that a child is not guilty because
of its parents.
26 And ye also say that Christ shall come. But behold, I say that ye do not
know that there shall be a Christ. And ye say also that he shall be slain
for the sins of the world-
27 And thus ye lead away this people after the foolish traditions of your
fathers, and according to your own desires; and ye keep them down, even as
it were in bondage, that ye may glut yourselves with the labors of their
hands, that they durst not look up with boldness, and that they durst not
enjoy their rights and privileges.
28 Yea, they durst not make use of that which is their own lest they should
offend their priests, who do yoke them according to their desires, and have
brought them to believe, by their traditions and their dreams and their
whims and their visions and their pretended mysteries, that they should, if
they did not do according to their words, offend some unknown being, who
they say is God-a being who never has been seen or known, who never was nor
ever will be.
29 Now when the high priest and the chief judge saw the hardness of his
heart, yea, when they saw that he would revile even against God, they would
not make any reply to his words; but they caused that he should be bound;
and they delivered him up into the hands of the officers, and sent him to
the land of Zarahemla, that he might be brought before Alma, and the chief
judge who was governor over all the land.
30 And it came to pass that when he was brought before Alma and the chief
judge, he did go on in the same manner as he did in the land of Gideon; yea,
he went on to blaspheme.
31 And he did rise up in great swelling words before Alma, and did revile
against the priests and teachers, accusing them of leading away the people
after the silly traditions of their fathers, for the sake of glutting on the
labors of the people.
32 Now Alma said unto him: Thou knowest that we do not glut ourselves upon
the labors of this people; for behold I have alabored even from the
commencement of the reign of the judges until now, with mine own hands for
my support, notwithstanding my many travels round about the land to declare
the word of God unto my people.
33 And notwithstanding the many labors which I have performed in the church,
I have never received so much as even one senine for my labor; neither has
any of my brethren, save it were in the judgment-seat; and then we have
received only according to law for our time.
34 And now, if we do not receive anything for our labors in the church, what
doth it profit us to labor in the church save it were to declare the truth,
that we may have rejoicings in the ajoy of our brethren?
35 Then why sayest thou that we preach unto this people to get gain, when
thou, of thyself, knowest that we receive no gain? And now, believest thou
that we deceive this people, that acauses such joy in their hearts?
36 And Korihor answered him, Yea.
37 And then Alma said unto him: Believest thou that there is a God?
38 And he answered, Nay.
39 Now Alma said unto him: Will ye deny again that there is a God, and also
deny the Christ? For behold, I say unto you, I know there is a God, and also
that Christ shall come.
40 And now what evidence have ye that there is no God, or that Christ cometh
not? I say unto you that ye have none, save it be your word only.
41 But, behold, I have all things as a testimony that these things are true;
and ye also have all things as a testimony unto you that they are true; and
will ye deny them? Believest thou that these things are true?
42 Behold, I know that thou believest, but thou art possessed with a lying
spirit, and ye have put off the Spirit of God that it may have no place in
you; but the devil has power over you, and he doth carry you about, working
devices that he may destroy the children of God.
43 And now Korihor said unto Alma: If thou wilt show me a sign, that I may
be convinced that there is a God, yea, show unto me that he hath power, and
then will I be convinced of the truth of thy words.
44 But Alma said unto him: Thou hast had signs enough; will ye tempt your
God? Will ye say, Show unto me a sign, when ye have the testimony of all
these thy brethren, and also all the holy prophets? The scriptures are laid
before thee, yea, and all things denote there is a God; yea, even the earth,
and call things that are upon the face of it, yea, and its motion, yea, and
also all the planets which move in their regular form do witness that there
is a Supreme Creator.
45 And yet do ye go about, leading away the hearts of this people,
testifying unto them there is no God? And yet will ye deny against all these
witnesses? And he said: Yea, I will deny, except ye shall show me a sign.
46 And now it came to pass that Alma said unto him: Behold, I am grieved
because of the hardness of your heart, yea, that ye will still resist the
spirit of the truth, that thy soul may be destroyed.
47 But behold, it is better that thy soul should be lost than that thou
shouldst be the means of bringing many souls down to destruction, by thy
lying and by thy flattering words; therefore if thou shalt deny again,
behold God shall smite thee, that thou shalt become dumb, that thou shalt
never open thy mouth any more, that thou shalt not deceive this people any
more.
48 Now Korihor said unto him: I do not deny the existence of a God, but I do
not believe that there is a God; and I say also, that ye do not know that
there is a God; and except ye show me a sign, I will not believe.
49 Now Alma said unto him: This will I give unto thee for a sign, that thou
shalt be astruck dumb, according to my words; and I say, that in the name of
God, ye shall be struck dumb, that ye shall no more have utterance.
50 Now when Alma had said these words, Korihor was struck dumb, that he
could not have utterance, according to the words of Alma.
51 And now when the chief judge saw this, he put forth his hand and wrote
unto Korihor, saying: Art thou convinced of the power of God? In whom did ye
desire that Alma should show forth his sign? Would ye that he should afflict
others, to show unto thee a sign? Behold, he has showed unto you a sign; and
now will ye dispute more?
52 And Korihor put forth his hand and wrote, saying: I know that I am dumb,
for I cannot speak; and I know that nothing save it were the power of God
could bring this upon me; yea, and I always knew that there was a God.
53 But behold, the devil hath deceived me; for he appeared unto me in the
form of an angel, and said unto me: Go and reclaim this people, for they
have all gone astray after an unknown God. And he said unto me: There is no
God; yea, and he taught me that which I should say. And I have taught his
words; and I taught them because they were pleasing unto the carnal mind;
and I taught them, even until I had much success, insomuch that I verily
believed that they were true; and for this cause I withstood the truth, even
until I have brought this great curse upon me.
54 Now when he had said this, he besought that Alma should pray unto God,
that the curse might be taken from him.
55 But Alma said unto him: If this curse should be taken from thee thou
wouldst again lead away the hearts of this people; therefore, it shall be
unto thee even as the Lord will.
56 And it came to pass that the curse was not taken off of Korihor; but he
was cast out, and went about from house to house begging for his food.
57 Now the knowledge of what had happened unto Korihor was immediately
published throughout all the land; yea, the proclamation was sent forth by
the chief judge to all the people in the land, declaring unto those who had
believed in the words of Korihor that they must speedily repent, lest the
same judgments would come unto them.
58 And it came to pass that they were all convinced of the wickedness of
Korihor; therefore they were all converted again unto the Lord; and this put
an end to the iniquity after the manner of Korihor. And Korihor did go about
from house to house, begging food for his support.
59 And it came to pass that as he went forth among the people, yea, among a
people who had separated themselves from the Nephites and called themselves
Zoramites, being led by a man whose name was Zoram-and as he went forth
amongst them, behold, he was run upon and trodden down, even until he was
dead.
60 And thus we see the end of him who perverteth the ways of the Lord; and
thus we see that the devil will not support his children at the last day,
but doth speedily drag them down to hell.
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| Title: Re: Why Evolution Can't Advance/ Cars: Evidence Against Evolution |
09 Jun 2007 07:00:59 PM |
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"Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote in message
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:13:08 -0700, "Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <5civhbF309rfrU1@mid.individual.net>
Gravitation is defined as law by the following F=G(m1*m2)/r^2. This
is aLAW
"discovered" by Sir Isaac Newton and is called the Law of Gravitation.
It
is a law, get it yet, fool? LAW! Something you liberal atheist
meatheads
know nothing about. But you will know when you are brouht to stand
before
my God whom I have seen while caught up to give an account of every
idle
word spoken while here in this probation.
Seen God, eh?
One upmanship?
Most of the theists that come here only claim to have 'heard' god or
"felt" god.
He want's to go one better.
Did you notice that it's "his" god, nobody elses god, just "his".
He appears to have exclusive rights to "his" god.
That lets us out, then. Phew!
God has prophets through whom He gives revelation to the rest of
mankind. I've received testimony by the Holy Spirit that Art is a true
prophet. There are others who have seen God face to face.
"Testimony" = voices in your head.
Go see a shrink.
13 And behold, the heavens were opened, and they were caught up into
heaven, and saw and heard unspeakable things.
(Book of Mormon|3 Nephi 28)
The passage below is the Apostle Paul referring to himself:
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body,
I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)
such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I
cannot tell: God knoweth;)
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words,
which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
(Bible| 2 Corinthians 12)
Just because God has not shown Himself to you does not mean He does not
exist.
It also doesn't mean that he does exist, other than in your delusional
mind.
And just because you post quotes from books we know to be total *****
doesn't prove the existence of your sky fairy.
Next time, try posting observable, repeatable, objective scientific
proof.
Smiler,
The godless one
You weren't there to see the Big Bang and evolution happen over a billion
of years. Like I've said before it's just speculation. It's idiotic to
believe that anything could build itself on its own by accident when you
see the sheer complexity of life. Throw a deck of cards in the air and
land it as a deck of cards. That's how evolution operates. It is the
religion of atheists.
12 And this Anti-Christ, whose name was Korihor, (and the law could have
no hold upon him) began to preach unto the people that there should be no
Christ. And after this manner did he preach, saying:
13 O ye that are bound down under a foolish and a vain hope, why do ye
yoke yourselves with such foolish things? Why do ye look for a Christ? For
no man can know of anything which is to come.
14 Behold, these things which ye call prophecies, which ye say are handed
down by holy prophets, behold, they are foolish traditions of your
fathers.
15 How do ye know of their surety? Behold, ye cannot know of things which
ye do not see; therefore ye cannot know that there shall be a Christ.
16 Ye look forward and say that ye see a remission of your sins. But
behold, it is the effect of a frenzied mind; and this derangement of your
minds comes because of the traditions of your fathers, which lead you away
into a belief of things which are not so.
17 And many more such things did he say unto them, telling them that there
could be no atonement made for the sins of men, but every man fared in
this life according to the management of the creature; therefore every man
prospered according to his genius, and that every man conquered according
to his strength; and whatsoever a man did was no crime.
18 And thus he did preach unto them, leading away the hearts of many,
causing them to lift up their heads in their wickedness, yea, leading away
many women, evolutand also men, to commit whoredoms-telling them that when
a man was dead, that was the end thereof.
19 Now this man went over to the land of Jershon also, to preach these
things among the people of Ammon, who were once the people of the
Lamanites.
20 But behold they were more wise than many of the Nephites; for they took
him, and bound him, and carried him before Ammon, who was a high priest
over that people.
21 And it came to pass that he caused that he should be carried out of the
land. And he came over into the land of Gideon, and began to preach unto
them also; and here he did not have much success, for he was taken and
bound and carried before the high priest, and also the chief judge over
the land.
22 And it came to pass that the high priest said unto him: Why do ye go
about perverting the ways of the Lord? Why do ye teach this people that
there shall be no Christ, to interrupt their rejoicings? Why do ye speak
against all the prophecies of the holy prophets?
23 Now the high priest's name was Giddonah. And Korihor said unto him:
Because I do not teach the foolish traditions of your fathers, and because
I do not teach this people to bind themselves down under the foolish
ordinances and performances which are laid down by ancient priests, to
usurp power and authority over them, to keep them in ignorance, that they
may not lift up their heads, but be brought down according to thy words.
24 Ye say that this people is a free people. Behold, I say they are in
bondage. Ye say that those ancient prophecies are true. Behold, I say that
ye do not know that they are true.
25 Ye say that this people is a guilty and a fallen people, because of the
transgression of a parent. Behold, I say that a child is not guilty
because of its parents.
26 And ye also say that Christ shall come. But behold, I say that ye do
not know that there shall be a Christ. And ye say also that he shall be
slain for the sins of the world-
27 And thus ye lead away this people after the foolish traditions of your
fathers, and according to your own desires; and ye keep them down, even as
it were in bondage, that ye may glut yourselves with the labors of their
hands, that they durst not look up with boldness, and that they durst not
enjoy their rights and privileges.
28 Yea, they durst not make use of that which is their own lest they
should offend their priests, who do yoke them according to their desires,
and have brought them to believe, by their traditions and their dreams and
their whims and their visions and their pretended mysteries, that they
should, if they did not do according to their words, offend some unknown
being, who they say is God-a being who never has been seen or known, who
never was nor ever will be.
29 Now when the high priest and the chief judge saw the hardness of his
heart, yea, when they saw that he would revile even against God, they
would not make any reply to his words; but they caused that he should be
bound; and they delivered him up into the hands of the officers, and sent
him to the land of Zarahemla, that he might be brought before Alma, and
the chief judge who was governor over all the land.
30 And it came to pass that when he was brought before Alma and the chief
judge, he did go on in the same manner as he did in the land of Gideon;
yea, he went on to blaspheme.
31 And he did rise up in great swelling words before Alma, and did revile
against the priests and teachers, accusing them of leading away the people
after the silly traditions of their fathers, for the sake of glutting on
the labors of the people.
32 Now Alma said unto him: Thou knowest that we do not glut ourselves upon
the labors of this people; for behold I have alabored even from the
commencement of the reign of the judges until now, with mine own hands for
my support, notwithstanding my many travels round about the land to
declare the word of God unto my people.
33 And notwithstanding the many labors which I have performed in the
church, I have never received so much as even one senine for my labor;
neither has any of my brethren, save it were in the judgment-seat; and
then we have received only according to law for our time.
34 And now, if we do not receive anything for our labors in the church,
what doth it profit us to labor in the church save it were to declare the
truth, that we may have rejoicings in the ajoy of our brethren?
35 Then why sayest thou that we preach unto this people to get gain, when
thou, of thyself, knowest that we receive no gain? And now, believest thou
that we deceive this people, that acauses su | | | | | | | | | | |
