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"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" |
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23 Sep 2003 01:10:30 PM |
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Issa says no to recall |
"The GOP congressman whose money put the recall on the ballot urged
Republicans Monday to keep Democratic Gov. Gray Davis in office if
neither Arnold Schwarzenegger nor Tom McClintock pulls out of the
race by election day.
'If two major Republicans remain on the ballot, I'd advise you to
vote 'no' on the recall,' said Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Vista (San Diego
County), who spent more than $1.6 million of his own money to help
gather signatures to recall Davis.
'It would absolutely guarantee that (Democratic Lt. Gov.) Cruz
Bustamante will be the governor, even though a majority of voters are
asking for a no-tax solution' to California's budget problems, Issa
told a lunchtime meeting of the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco.
Both McClintock and Schwarzenegger have said they would not raise
taxes, while Bustamante has proposed boosting taxes on the wealthiest
Californians to balance the state budget.
'In every poll, more than 50 percent of voters support no-new-taxes
candidates, while 34 percent support someone who will raise taxes,'
Issa said.
Republican leaders scrambled to explain away Issa's remarks.
'I understand what he's trying to say,' said Duf Sundheim, chairman
of the state Republican Party. 'We can't come this far and throw it
all away by having two candidates.'
GOP NOT NAMING NAMES
While most Republicans aren't naming names, it's clear that it's not
Schwarzenegger, the Hollywood action hero who's brought his boundless
star power to the race, whom they're suggesting drop out.
'Since Arnold Schwarzenegger is the only viable anti-tax candidate on
the ballot,' said Todd Harris, a spokesman for the actor, 'my guess
is that this was Congressman Issa's nice way of putting pressure on
Sen. McClintock to avoid turning Sacramento over to Cruz Bustamante.'
Issa said that McClintock, a strong conservative, has admitted to him
that it was unlikely he could win a one-on-one race for governor.
'It's incumbent for the one who can't get to a majority to drop out,'
Issa said. 'If Tom is still in the same position, with about half of
what Arnold has, he's the one who will have to make the hard
decision.'
But McClintock doesn't sound like a man getting ready to bail out of
the recall replacement race. In an e-mail message sent to supporters
Monday, he reminded them that Republican leaders had urged Ronald
Reagan to step aside in the 1966 governor's race to clear the GOP
primary field for San Francisco Mayor George Christopher, a more
moderate candidate.
'Reagan declined. The rest is history,' McClintock wrote, urging his
backers to raise $800,000 for a last-minute TV ad blitz. 'Did Reagan
stay in because of blind personal ambition? I think not! I believe
Ronald Reagan felt it would be wrong to walk away from his principles
and from those who believed as he did in those same principles.'
SCHWARZENEGGER STALLED
John Stoos, McClintock's deputy campaign director, said recent polls
have shown the Ventura County state senator picking up ground while
Schwarzenegger's effort has stalled.
'If Arnold Schwarzenegger is as strong a candidate as everyone wants
us to believe, why is he spending so much time trying to get us out?'
he asked.
Schwarzenegger's campaign went on the attack Monday, putting out a
television ad that takes a not-very-backhanded swipe at both
Bustamante and McClintock for accepting money from Indian tribes with
gambling interests in the state.
Speaking directly to the camera, Schwarzenegger says in that ad that
it's time for the Indian tribes to pay a fair share of their gambling
revenues to the state.
'All the other major candidates take their money and pander to them,'
he says. 'I don't play that game.'
Since polls show that Bustamante and McClintock are the only other
major candidates, it's no secret whom Schwarzenegger is talking
about.
McClintock has been taking his own shots at Schwarzenegger, saying in
the Sacramento Bee on Monday that the actor is surrounding himself
with aides to former GOP Gov. Pete Wilson, whom he called one of the
worst governors in California's history.
DAVIS CAMP PLEASED
With the skirmishing between the two GOP campaigns threatening to
break out into all-out war, Issa was forced to paraphrase humorist
Will Rogers.
'I'm a Republican,' he told the Commonwealth Club audience. 'In
California, I don't belong to an organized party.'
Davis' backers gleefully accepted Issa's suggestion that Republicans
might have to vote against the recall.
'We're happy that Darrell Issa has come around and hope he joins us
in voting 'No' on the recall,' said Peter Ragone, a spokesman for the
anti-recall group controlled by Davis. 'We welcome him to the 'No on
the Recall' campaign.'
The Republicans' troubles in the replacement race are pulling
attention away from the recall itself, where new polls have shown
Davis picking up ground.
'I've been a lonely voice in the wind, warning that (the replacement
vote) is just a popularity contest unless we win the recall vote,'
said David Gilliard of Rescue California, a recall group founded and
financed by Issa. 'We have to stop focusing on the candidates and
make sure we win. But if you're a donor, you want to put your money
where the glitter is.'
CANDIDATE VISITS CITY COLLEGE
Bustamante had problems of his own Monday, when a Sacramento court
ordered him to return much of the money he has received from Indian
and union interests. But as the lone Democrat in the replacement
race, he has been enjoying plenty of support from fellow party
members.
On Monday, the lieutenant governor toured San Francisco City
College's Mission District campus with Connecticut Sen. Joseph
Lieberman and talked about the need to put more money into community
colleges, which he called 'the superhighway of opportunity in
California.'
Lieberman, who's running for president, echoed Bustamante's campaign
slogan, calling on voters to 'Vote no the recall and yes on
Bustamante.
'Get California's economy moving again by keeping Democrats in
Sacramento,' he said"
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visage of overriding importance, there is always a temptation
to invoke security 'necessities' to justify an encroachment
upon civil liberties. For that reason, the military-security
argument must be approached with a healthy skepticism.'
--Justice William Brennan
Tim
'Fair and Balanced'
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| User: "dk" |
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| Title: Re: Issa says no to recall |
23 Sep 2003 09:38:44 PM |
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"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net> wrote in message
news:Xns93FF7212CB495timsomecallme@216.168.3.44...
"The GOP congressman whose money put the recall on the ballot urged
Republicans Monday to keep Democratic Gov. Gray Davis in office if
neither Arnold Schwarzenegger nor Tom McClintock pulls out of the
race by election day.
<snip>
Gee, for all those who claim the GOP isn't trying to subvert every system
going, shouldn't this be a wake up call? "Let's get it rolling, I'll pour
hundreds of thousands of dollars into it, but if it looks like thinks might
turn, let's bail!:" Democracy in action? I'm starting to thing that the
concept is becoming as endangered as the breeding fields in Alaska.
Lord dk
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Issa says no to recall |
24 Sep 2003 10:10:56 AM |
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On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:38:44 -0400, several witnesses claim to have
seen "dk" <dkinsman@nospamsympatico.ca> scrawl a message on the wall:
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net> wrote in message
news:Xns93FF7212CB495timsomecallme@216.168.3.44...
"The GOP congressman whose money put the recall on the ballot urged
Republicans Monday to keep Democratic Gov. Gray Davis in office if
neither Arnold Schwarzenegger nor Tom McClintock pulls out of the
race by election day.
<snip>
Gee, for all those who claim the GOP isn't trying to subvert every system
going, shouldn't this be a wake up call? "Let's get it rolling, I'll pour
hundreds of thousands of dollars into it, but if it looks like thinks might
turn, let's bail!:" Democracy in action? I'm starting to thing that the
concept is becoming as endangered as the breeding fields in Alaska.
Issa is getting slammed for this. I tried to call his office
yesterday to complain, and they phone lines were jammed. Editorials
are pointing out that this was supposed to be about recalling Davis,
not getting a Republican in office.
--
Douglas Berry
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "dk" |
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| Title: Re: Issa says no to recall |
24 Sep 2003 10:30:35 AM |
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"Douglas Berry" <gridlore@mindNOSPAMspring.com> wrote in message
news:utc3nvs56br1n4bl5e0mn8gt5npacs6hh9@4ax.com...
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:38:44 -0400, several witnesses claim to have
seen "dk" <dkinsman@nospamsympatico.ca> scrawl a message on the wall:
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net> wrote in message
news:Xns93FF7212CB495timsomecallme@216.168.3.44...
"The GOP congressman whose money put the recall on the ballot urged
Republicans Monday to keep Democratic Gov. Gray Davis in office if
neither Arnold Schwarzenegger nor Tom McClintock pulls out of the
race by election day.
<snip>
Gee, for all those who claim the GOP isn't trying to subvert every system
going, shouldn't this be a wake up call? "Let's get it rolling, I'll
pour
hundreds of thousands of dollars into it, but if it looks like thinks
might
turn, let's bail!:" Democracy in action? I'm starting to thing that the
concept is becoming as endangered as the breeding fields in Alaska.
Issa is getting slammed for this. I tried to call his office
yesterday to complain, and they phone lines were jammed. Editorials
are pointing out that this was supposed to be about recalling Davis,
not getting a Republican in office.
--
Douglas Berry
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
Interesting that in light of this, Drudge (fawning whistle ***** of the right)
has a massive headline today about Mapplethorpe's nude portraits of Arnie.
Issa can try to spin backwards but the flying monkeys are already launched.
Lord dk
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Issa says no to recall |
25 Sep 2003 10:45:37 PM |
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On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:10:56 GMT, Douglas Berry
<gridlore@mindNOSPAMspring.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Editorials
are pointing out that this was supposed to be about recalling Davis,
not getting a Republican in office.
The editors still don't get it, do they? To the Repugs, the *only*
thing it's *ever* about is getting into office.
--
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."
- Isaac Asimov
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Clave" |
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| Title: Re: Issa says no to recall |
25 Sep 2003 11:03:22 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:cua7nvcpo2r4csh5a2pggp8pu072oi3c56@Pern.rk...
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:10:56 GMT, Douglas Berry
<gridlore@mindNOSPAMspring.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Editorials
are pointing out that this was supposed to be about recalling Davis,
not getting a Republican in office.
The editors still don't get it, do they? To the Repugs, the *only*
thing it's *ever* about is getting into office.
Which is why that crybaby Issa's calling for people to vote against the recall
now.
Jim
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