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19 Jun 2005 11:57:07 AM |
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It is absolutely stunning............... |
...............in that the average atheist lacks minimal grasp of the beliefs of
others of the existence of Almighty God, and of his becoming man in the person
of Jesus Christ to die on the Cross for the redemption of man from his sins and
to **restore** salvation to the souls of mankind.
The average atheist is rock bottom is that very basic understanding and yet runs
around rejecting the existence of almighty God. On what basis?
Atheists lack even the basic rudiments of knowledge of God, yet carry on to
untold lengths with total lack of supportive evidence for his beliefs.
Stunning.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
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| User: "Ike" |
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19 Jun 2005 08:14:02 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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..............in that the average atheist lacks minimal grasp of the
beliefs of
others of the existence of Almighty God, and of his becoming man in the
person
of Jesus Christ to die on the Cross for the redemption of man from his
sins and
to **restore** salvation to the souls of mankind.
The average atheist is rock bottom is that very basic understanding and
yet runs
around rejecting the existence of almighty God. On what basis?
Atheists lack even the basic rudiments of knowledge of God, yet carry on
to
untold lengths with total lack of supportive evidence for his beliefs.
Stunning.
Well, I see that Duke has learned to cut and paste. Now he's getting more
responses.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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19 Jun 2005 03:22:43 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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..............in that the average atheist lacks minimal grasp of the
beliefs of
others of the existence of Almighty God, and of his becoming man in the
person
of Jesus Christ to die on the Cross for the redemption of man from his
sins and
to **restore** salvation to the souls of mankind.
The average atheist is rock bottom is that very basic understanding and
yet runs
around rejecting the existence of almighty God. On what basis?
Atheists lack even the basic rudiments of knowledge of God, yet carry on
to
untold lengths with total lack of supportive evidence for his beliefs.
Stunning.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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You're missing the point. It's not the particular beliefs you have, it's the
fact that they are beliefs in the first place. You're asking me to accept
the existence of god because you really really believe in it, while I don't
see any evidence whatsoever that what you believe in is anything more than
wishful thinking. As charming as you are, I just can't bring myself to join
you in your hallucinations. You may continue to be stunned.
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| User: "I KILLED YOUR GOD-IT WAS EASY!" |
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19 Jun 2005 04:09:32 PM |
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"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote in message
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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..............in that the average atheist lacks minimal grasp of the
beliefs of
others of the existence of Almighty God, and of his becoming man in the
person
of Jesus Christ to die on the Cross for the redemption of man from his
sins and
to **restore** salvation to the souls of mankind.
The average atheist is rock bottom is that very basic understanding and
yet runs
around rejecting the existence of almighty God. On what basis?
Atheists lack even the basic rudiments of knowledge of God, yet carry on
to
untold lengths with total lack of supportive evidence for his beliefs.
Stunning.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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You're missing the point. It's not the particular beliefs you have, it's
the
fact that they are beliefs in the first place. You're asking me to accept
the existence of god because you really really believe in it, while I
don't
see any evidence whatsoever that what you believe in is anything more than
wishful thinking. As charming as you are, I just can't bring myself to
join
you in your hallucinations. You may continue to be stunned.
and he may continue to be shunned as well....
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| User: "duke" |
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19 Jun 2005 04:50:42 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:22:43 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote:
You're missing the point. It's not the particular beliefs you have, it's the
fact that they are beliefs in the first place. You're asking me to accept
the existence of god because you really really believe in it, while I don't
see any evidence whatsoever that what you believe in is anything more than
wishful thinking. As charming as you are, I just can't bring myself to join
you in your hallucinations. You may continue to be stunned.
I am, that you see what you see and that you reject it's creation.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "I KILLED YOUR GOD-IT WAS EASY!" |
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20 Jun 2005 03:50:33 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:22:43 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net>
wrote:
You're missing the point. It's not the particular beliefs you have, it's
the
fact that they are beliefs in the first place. You're asking me to accept
the existence of god because you really really believe in it, while I
don't
see any evidence whatsoever that what you believe in is anything more
than
wishful thinking. As charming as you are, I just can't bring myself to
join
you in your hallucinations. You may continue to be stunned.
I am, that you see what you see and that you reject it's creation.
no-i just reject genetic rejects like you.
your a stupid fat fucking moron.
get the ***** out of A.A
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20 Jun 2005 10:42:45 PM |
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On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:50:33 -0400, "I KILLED YOUR GOD-IT WAS EASY!"
<NUNIADAMN@BUSSINESS.NET> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:22:43 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net>
wrote:
You're missing the point. It's not the particular beliefs you have, it's
the
fact that they are beliefs in the first place. You're asking me to accept
the existence of god because you really really believe in it, while I
don't
see any evidence whatsoever that what you believe in is anything more
than
wishful thinking. As charming as you are, I just can't bring myself to
join
you in your hallucinations. You may continue to be stunned.
I am, that you see what you see and that you reject it's creation.
no-i just reject genetic rejects like you.
your a stupid fat fucking moron.
get the ***** out of A.A
I'm here to "hep" you.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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21 Jun 2005 04:15:34 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:50:33 -0400, "I KILLED YOUR GOD-IT WAS EASY!"
<NUNIADAMN@BUSSINESS.NET> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:22:43 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net>
wrote:
You're missing the point. It's not the particular beliefs you have,
it's
the
fact that they are beliefs in the first place. You're asking me to
accept
the existence of god because you really really believe in it, while I
don't
see any evidence whatsoever that what you believe in is anything more
than
wishful thinking. As charming as you are, I just can't bring myself to
join
you in your hallucinations. You may continue to be stunned.
I am, that you see what you see and that you reject it's creation.
no-i just reject genetic rejects like you.
your a stupid fat fucking moron.
get the ***** out of A.A
I'm here to "hep" you.
duke
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you can't "hep" your self.how are you to "hep" anybody else?
I really do not want your sickness.I am here to "hep" wipe it out.
religion is for the sick,evil,stupid,brainless fucks like you.
you keep it-but keep it to your self,lest I and others utterly destroy it.
you and your kind are evil incarnate-you need to be destroyed.history is
awash with the evils of your kind.
religion is dying.I will "hep" it's demise.
knowledge is power-religion is for the stupid.
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| User: "duke" |
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22 Jun 2005 10:26:39 AM |
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:15:34 -0400, "I KILLED YOUR GOD-IT WAS EASY!"
<NUNIADAMN@BUSSINESS.NET> wrote:
I'm here to "hep" you.
you can't "hep" your self.how are you to "hep" anybody else?
I really do not want your sickness.I am here to "hep" wipe it out.
Yet I have knowledge and you have ignorance.
religion is for the sick,evil,stupid,brainless fucks like you.
you keep it-but keep it to your self,lest I and others utterly destroy it.
God created the beginning, and he will be supreme at the end.
you and your kind are evil incarnate-you need to be destroyed.history is
awash with the evils of your kind.
religion is dying.I will "hep" it's demise.
knowledge is power-religion is for the stupid.
Yes you are.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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22 Jun 2005 10:58:24 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:15:34 -0400, "I KILLED YOUR GOD-IT WAS EASY!"
<NUNIADAMN@BUSSINESS.NET> wrote:
I'm here to "hep" you.
you can't "hep" your self.how are you to "hep" anybody else?
I really do not want your sickness.I am here to "hep" wipe it out.
Yet I have knowledge and you have ignorance.
You don't even know Ahura Mazda and yet you claim to have knowledge...
religion is for the sick,evil,stupid,brainless fucks like you.
you keep it-but keep it to your self,lest I and others utterly destroy it.
God created the beginning, and he will be supreme at the end.
So, who created this God thing, now?
you and your kind are evil incarnate-you need to be destroyed.history is
awash with the evils of your kind.
religion is dying.I will "hep" it's demise.
knowledge is power-religion is for the stupid.
Yes you are.
Whoosh! Right over your head.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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20 Jun 2005 12:22:20 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:22:43 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net>
wrote:
You're missing the point. It's not the particular beliefs you have, it's
the
fact that they are beliefs in the first place. You're asking me to accept
the existence of god because you really really believe in it, while I
don't
see any evidence whatsoever that what you believe in is anything more than
wishful thinking. As charming as you are, I just can't bring myself to
join
you in your hallucinations. You may continue to be stunned.
I am, that you see what you see and that you reject it's creation.
You haven't cornered the market on appreciating nature. I see the same
universe as you, and am equally impressed, I just disagree with you that
there was a creator. Creation, yes (big bang), creator, no.
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20 Jun 2005 10:52:21 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:22:20 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote:
You haven't cornered the market on appreciating nature. I see the same
universe as you, and am equally impressed, I just disagree with you that
there was a creator. Creation, yes (big bang), creator, no.
How did the big bang come about?
First there was nothing there............
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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21 Jun 2005 02:37:43 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:22:20 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net>
wrote:
You haven't cornered the market on appreciating nature. I see the same
universe as you, and am equally impressed, I just disagree with you that
there was a creator. Creation, yes (big bang), creator, no.
How did the big bang come about?
First there was nothing there............
There are all sorts of plausible scientific theories about the big bang that
have nothing to do with magic and the supernatural. I like the one about
virtual particles and vacuums, but there are others. I see the beauty in
nature as it is; you impose your wishful thinking on nature.
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21 Jun 2005 10:34:23 AM |
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 02:37:43 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote:
There are all sorts of plausible scientific theories about the big bang that
have nothing to do with magic and the supernatural. I like the one about
virtual particles and vacuums, but there are others. I see the beauty in
nature as it is; you impose your wishful thinking on nature.
What is virtual particles and vacuums?
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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21 Jun 2005 04:29:54 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:34:23 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 02:37:43 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote:
There are all sorts of plausible scientific theories about the big bang that
have nothing to do with magic and the supernatural. I like the one about
virtual particles and vacuums, but there are others. I see the beauty in
nature as it is; you impose your wishful thinking on nature.
What is virtual particles and vacuums?
What are virtual particles and vacuums? Here's a decent starting
place:
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mark_vuletic/vacuum.html
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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21 Jun 2005 04:38:35 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:29:54 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:34:23 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 02:37:43 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote:
There are all sorts of plausible scientific theories about the big bang that
have nothing to do with magic and the supernatural. I like the one about
virtual particles and vacuums, but there are others. I see the beauty in
nature as it is; you impose your wishful thinking on nature.
What is virtual particles and vacuums?
What are virtual particles and vacuums? Here's a decent starting
place:
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mark_vuletic/vacuum.html
A good, concise link.
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21 Jun 2005 07:50:39 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:29:54 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:34:23 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 02:37:43 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net>
wrote:
There are all sorts of plausible scientific theories about the big bang
that
have nothing to do with magic and the supernatural. I like the one about
virtual particles and vacuums, but there are others. I see the beauty in
nature as it is; you impose your wishful thinking on nature.
What is virtual particles and vacuums?
What are virtual particles and vacuums? Here's a decent starting
place:
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mark_vuletic/vacuum.html
A good, concise link.
It is. I only know about them from a layman's book on quantum physics I read
in the '80's. The chapter in that book (The Cosmic Code) where the author
describes the big bang (and conditions preceding it) based on the current
theories is one of my favourite pieces of writing in the English language.
Or the Hebrew language.
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22 Jun 2005 10:24:27 AM |
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:29:54 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:34:23 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 02:37:43 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote:
There are all sorts of plausible scientific theories about the big bang that
have nothing to do with magic and the supernatural. I like the one about
virtual particles and vacuums, but there are others. I see the beauty in
nature as it is; you impose your wishful thinking on nature.
What is virtual particles and vacuums?
What are virtual particles and vacuums? Here's a decent starting
place:
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mark_vuletic/vacuum.html
ok, so neither you nor I know.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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22 Jun 2005 07:18:00 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:29:54 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:34:23 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 02:37:43 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net>
wrote:
There are all sorts of plausible scientific theories about the big bang
that
have nothing to do with magic and the supernatural. I like the one about
virtual particles and vacuums, but there are others. I see the beauty in
nature as it is; you impose your wishful thinking on nature.
What is virtual particles and vacuums?
What are virtual particles and vacuums? Here's a decent starting
place:
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mark_vuletic/vacuum.html
ok, so neither you nor I know.
But at least this theory is plausible, and it's foundation is verified by
scientific experiments. And your reading on the subject is all of a few
quotes on a webpage (if you bothered to read them), and your understanding
of virtual particles is below minimal, if you've never heard of them before.
So your comments on the subject are the equivalent of a kindergarten child
criticizing Shakespeare.
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21 Jun 2005 03:09:11 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:22:20 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote:
You haven't cornered the market on appreciating nature. I see the same
universe as you, and am equally impressed, I just disagree with you that
there was a creator. Creation, yes (big bang), creator, no.
How did the big bang come about?
First there was nothing there............
I know very little about the big bang but I know infinitely more than
you. According to my understanding there was never a time when there was
"nothing there".
Wait!! Did he just say that matter always was and always will be? How
can that be?
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Jack
Plonked by Native American
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19 Jun 2005 06:05:02 PM |
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And lo, it came to pass that did attempt to esape
burning at the stake, by proclaiming in alt.atheism:
On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:22:43 GMT, "Neil Kelsey"
<neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote:
You're missing the point. It's not the particular beliefs you have,
it's the fact that they are beliefs in the first place. You're asking
me to accept the existence of god because you really really believe in
it, while I don't see any evidence whatsoever that what you believe in
is anything more than wishful thinking. As charming as you are, I just
can't bring myself to join you in your hallucinations. You may
continue to be stunned.
I am, that you see what you see and that you reject it's creation.
If god created the universe, what created god? If there is no need for
god to be created, then why is there a need to for the universe to be
created?
--
Stuart
AA #2053
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19 Jun 2005 11:11:21 PM |
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On 19 Jun 2005 18:05:02 GMT, Walking on Glass
<walking_on_glass@hotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:
If god created the universe, what created god? If there is no need for
god to be created, then why is there a need to for the universe to be
created?
But the universe was created. Science has professed that. it's call the big
bang.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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20 Jun 2005 06:27:28 PM |
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And lo, it came to pass that did attempt to esape
burning at the stake, by proclaiming in alt.atheism:
On 19 Jun 2005 18:05:02 GMT, Walking on Glass
<walking_on_glass@hotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:
If god created the universe, what created god? If there is no need for
god to be created, then why is there a need to for the universe to be
created?
But the universe was created. Science has professed that. it's call
the big bang.
The big bang simply says that, at some time in the past, the universe was
very small, and very hot, and then has been expanding since. One
*hypothesis* is that just before this the universe came into existence. We
do not have the knowledge, and may never do so, to conclude that the
universe "began" then. Much less that it was created by something.
--
Stuart
AA #2053
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20 Jun 2005 10:42:00 PM |
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On 20 Jun 2005 18:27:28 GMT, Walking on Glass
<walking_on_glass@hotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:
But the universe was created. Science has professed that. it's call
the big bang.
The big bang simply says that, at some time in the past, the universe was
very small
Actually it was infinitely small.
, and very hot, and then has been expanding since. One
*hypothesis* is that just before this the universe came into existence.
How?
We
do not have the knowledge, and may never do so, to conclude that the
universe "began" then. Much less that it was created by something.
Yep, created by the supreme creator, God almighty.
But I will entertain (pardon the pun) funny stuff from you as an alternative to
God.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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21 Jun 2005 07:13:21 PM |
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And lo, it came to pass that did attempt to esape
burning at the stake, by proclaiming in alt.atheism:
On 20 Jun 2005 18:27:28 GMT, Walking on Glass
<walking_on_glass@hotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:
But the universe was created. Science has professed that. it's
call the big bang.
The big bang simply says that, at some time in the past, the universe
was very small
Actually it was infinitely small.
Nobody knows this for certain. We don't understand enough about the
nature of space-time at small length scales to say this.
, and very hot, and then has been expanding since. One
*hypothesis* is that just before this the universe came into
existence.
How?
Well, if everything in the Universe came into existence at that point
(including time), it is meaningless to speak of "before" the Universe,
and hence the "cause" of the Universe, or "how" is meaningless also.
We
do not have the knowledge, and may never do so, to conclude that the
universe "began" then. Much less that it was created by something.
Yep, created by the supreme creator, God almighty.
But I will entertain (pardon the pun) funny stuff from you as an
alternative to God.
Unfortunately, I don't think I could come up with anything as funnier
than the idea of believing in a creator god!
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Stuart
AA #2053
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| User: "duke" |
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22 Jun 2005 10:23:48 AM |
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On 21 Jun 2005 19:13:21 GMT, Walking on Glass
<walking_on_glass@hotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:
The big bang simply says that, at some time in the past, the universe
was very small
Actually it was infinitely small.
Nobody knows this for certain. We don't understand enough about the
nature of space-time at small length scales to say this.
Sorry, but action reversal demands a return to the infinite. We just can't
declare "zero" closer than asymptotic approach.
, and very hot, and then has been expanding since. One
*hypothesis* is that just before this the universe came into
existence.
How?
Well, if everything in the Universe came into existence at that point
(including time), it is meaningless to speak of "before" the Universe,
and hence the "cause" of the Universe, or "how" is meaningless also.
Hey, your light is finally coming on. What is left is creation, which takes a
creator, a supreme creator no less. Let's call the Supreme Creator God for lack
of a better name.
But I will entertain (pardon the pun) funny stuff from you as an
alternative to God.
Unfortunately, I don't think I could come up with anything as funnier
than the idea of believing in a creator god!
Yet you pushed the door wide open above.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Walking on Glass" |
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22 Jun 2005 10:47:18 PM |
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And lo, it came to pass that did attempt to esape
burning at the stake, by proclaiming in alt.atheism:
On 21 Jun 2005 19:13:21 GMT, Walking on Glass
<walking_on_glass@hotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:
The big bang simply says that, at some time in the past, the
universe was very small
Actually it was infinitely small.
Nobody knows this for certain. We don't understand enough about the
nature of space-time at small length scales to say this.
Sorry, but action reversal demands a return to the infinite. We just
can't declare "zero" closer than asymptotic approach.
WTF is "action reversal"? Google doesn't come up with anything useful.
Define your terms.
, and very hot, and then has been expanding since. One
*hypothesis* is that just before this the universe came into
existence.
How?
Well, if everything in the Universe came into existence at that point
(including time), it is meaningless to speak of "before" the Universe,
and hence the "cause" of the Universe, or "how" is meaningless also.
Hey, your light is finally coming on. What is left is creation,
The second word of my sentence was *if*. It is not known whether the
universe had a beginning in the big bang.
which
takes a creator,
If that "if" was definite, creation *by a creator* is by no means a
logical conclusion - you are equivocating on the word "creation" here -
meaning it in one sense to refer to the big bang, and in another sense to
refer to "something created". There is no evidence the universe was
created, and your word play won't help you dodge around that lack of
evidence.
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Stuart
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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22 Jun 2005 06:22:31 PM |
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duke wrote:
Hey, your light is finally coming on. What is left is creation,
which takes a creator, a supreme creator no less. Let's call the
Supreme Creator God for lack of a better name.
Go on. You've paraphrased Aquinas here, show that you actually know what
comes after that.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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22 Jun 2005 10:57:02 AM |
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duke wrote:
On 21 Jun 2005 19:13:21 GMT, Walking on Glass
<walking_on_glass@hotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:
The big bang simply says that, at some time in the past, the universe
was very small
Actually it was infinitely small.
Nobody knows this for certain. We don't understand enough about the
nature of space-time at small length scales to say this.
Sorry, but action reversal demands a return to the infinite. We just can't
declare "zero" closer than asymptotic approach.
Why does it demand a return to the infinite? It's possible that the
universe contracted down to the size of a tennis ball, then exploded again.
Last time I checked, a tennis ball is not "infintely small."
Of course, this is all conjecture, much like "return to the infinite" is
a conjecture.
, and very hot, and then has been expanding since. One
*hypothesis* is that just before this the universe came into
existence.
How?
Well, if everything in the Universe came into existence at that point
(including time), it is meaningless to speak of "before" the Universe,
and hence the "cause" of the Universe, or "how" is meaningless also.
Hey, your light is finally coming on. What is left is creation,
How can creation exist "before" the universe?
which takes a
creator,
....which couldn't exist "before" the universe...
a supreme creator no less.
Question, duke, how do you define "universe"? Sane people define it as
"all that there is." If there is a "before the universe" then it would
be "before all that there is." Therefore, God or whatever this thing
is, cannot exist "outside" the universe. Before the universe, there was
nothing.
If this "God" thing did exist outside the universe, then God does not
exist. Nothing can exist outside the universe.
Let's call the Supreme Creator God for lack
of a better name.
Let's not.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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20 Jun 2005 12:51:32 AM |
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duke wrote:
On 19 Jun 2005 18:05:02 GMT, Walking on Glass
<walking_on_glass@hotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:
If god created the universe, what created god? If there is no need
for god to be created, then why is there a need to for the universe
to be created?
But the universe was created. Science has professed that. it's call
the big bang.
Here Earl uses the term create in a manner he argues against when presented
with the correct translation of Genesis.
[Here Earl will insert a one line blurb attempting to insult me.]
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| User: "duke" |
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20 Jun 2005 10:51:06 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:51:32 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
duke wrote:
On 19 Jun 2005 18:05:02 GMT, Walking on Glass
<walking_on_glass@hotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:
If god created the universe, what created god? If there is no need
for god to be created, then why is there a need to for the universe
to be created?
But the universe was created. Science has professed that. it's call
the big bang.
Here Earl uses the term create in a manner he argues against when presented
with the correct translation of Genesis.
Did you correct Genesis, mikey?
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Steve O" |
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19 Jun 2005 04:53:36 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:h1nab19ec08uqh9k7qi02st574nt3n4c0c@4ax.com...
..............in that the average atheist lacks minimal grasp of the
beliefs of
others of the existence of Almighty God, and of his becoming man in the
person
of Jesus Christ to die on the Cross for the redemption of man from his
sins and
to **restore** salvation to the souls of mankind.
Of course atheists understand why you believe in the existence of Almighty
God.
Some of us even used to believe it in ourselves.
And Santa too.
The average atheist is rock bottom is that very basic understanding and
yet runs
around rejecting the existence of almighty God. On what basis?
Your premise is false.
We are not at rock bottom when it comes to understanding why you believe in
a god or gods.
I also understand why my five year old believes in Santa and the Tooth
Fairy.
Two basic reasons
1. We told her that they exist and are real
2. She wants to believe they exist and are real
Your beliefs are no more or less valid than hers.
Atheists lack even the basic rudiments of knowledge of God, yet carry on
to
untold lengths with total lack of supportive evidence for his beliefs.
I've noticed that the atheists in this group tend to seem far more well
versed in the Bible and religious history than most of the believers who
post here, so once again you are wrong.
Stunning.
Yes, it is.
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