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User: "drb"
Date: 15 Nov 2005 08:08:55 AM
Object: "It is Mr. Bush and his team who are rewriting history"
New York Times
November 15, 2005
Editorial
Decoding Mr. Bush's Denials
To avoid having to account for his administration's misleading
statements before the war with Iraq, President Bush has tried denial,
saying he did not skew the intelligence. He's tried to share the
blame, claiming that Congress had the same intelligence he had, as
well as President Bill Clinton. He's tried to pass the buck and blame
the C.I.A. Lately, he's gone on the attack, accusing Democrats in
Congress of aiding the terrorists.
Yesterday in Alaska, Mr. Bush trotted out the same tedious deflection
on Iraq that he usually attempts when his back is against the wall: he
claims that questioning his actions three years ago is a betrayal of
the troops in battle today.
It all amounts to one energetic effort at avoidance. But like the
W.M.D. reports that started the whole thing, the only problem is that
none of it has been true.

Mr. Bush says everyone had the same intelligence he had - Mr. Clinton
and his advisers, foreign governments, and members of Congress - and
that all of them reached the same conclusions. The only part that is
true is that Mr. Bush was working off the same intelligence Mr.
Clinton had. But that is scary, not reassuring. The reports about
Saddam Hussein's weapons were old, some more than 10 years old.
Nothing was fresher than about five years, except reports that later
proved to be fanciful.
Foreign intelligence services did not have full access to American
intelligence. But some had dissenting opinions that were ignored or
not shown to top American officials. Congress had nothing close to the
president's access to intelligence. The National Intelligence Estimate
presented to Congress a few days before the vote on war was sanitized
to remove dissent and make conjecture seem like fact.
It's hard to imagine what Mr. Bush means when he says everyone reached
the same conclusion. There was indeed a widespread belief that Iraq
had chemical and biological weapons. But Mr. Clinton looked at the
data and concluded that inspections and pressure were working - a view
we now know was accurate. France, Russia and Germany said war was not
justified. Even Britain admitted later that there had been no new
evidence about Iraq, just new politics.
The administration had little company in saying that Iraq was actively
trying to build a nuclear weapon. The evidence for this claim was a
dubious report about an attempt in 1999 to buy uranium from Niger,
later shown to be false, and the infamous aluminum tubes story. That
was dismissed at the time by analysts with real expertise.
The Bush administration was also alone in making the absurd claim that
Iraq was in league with Al Qaeda and somehow connected to the 9/11
terrorist attacks. That was based on two false tales. One was the
supposed trip to Prague by Mohamed Atta, a report that was disputed
before the war and came from an unreliable drunk. The other was that
Iraq trained Qaeda members in the use of chemical and biological
weapons. Before the war, the Defense Intelligence Agency concluded
that this was a deliberate fabrication by an informer.
Mr. Bush has said in recent days that the first phase of the Senate
Intelligence Committee's investigation on Iraq found no evidence of
political pressure to change the intelligence. That is true only in
the very narrow way the Republicans on the committee insisted on
defining pressure: as direct pressure from senior officials to change
intelligence. Instead, the Bush administration made what it wanted to
hear crystal clear and kept sending reports back to be redone until it
got those answers.
Richard Kerr, a former deputy director of central intelligence, said
in 2003 that there was "significant pressure on the intelligence
community to find evidence that supported a connection" between Iraq
and Al Qaeda. The C.I.A. ombudsman told the Senate Intelligence
Committee that the administration's "hammering" on Iraq intelligence
was harder than he had seen in his 32 years at the agency.
Mr. Bush and other administration officials say they faithfully
reported what they had read. But Vice President ***** Cheney presented
the Prague meeting as a fact when even the most supportive analysts
considered it highly dubious. The administration has still not
acknowledged that tales of Iraq coaching Al Qaeda on chemical warfare
were considered false, even at the time they were circulated.
Mr. Cheney was not alone. Remember Condoleezza Rice's infamous
"mushroom cloud" comment? And Secretary of State Colin Powell in
January 2003, when the rich and powerful met in Davos, Switzerland,
and he said, "Why is Iraq still trying to procure uranium and the
special equipment needed to transform it into material for nuclear
weapons?" Mr. Powell ought to have known the report on "special
equipment"' - the aluminum tubes - was false. And the uranium story
was four years old.

The president and his top advisers may very well have sincerely
believed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. But they did not
allow the American people, or even Congress, to have the information
necessary to make reasoned judgments of their own. It's obvious that
the Bush administration misled Americans about Mr. Hussein's weapons
and his terrorist connections. We need to know how that happened and
why.
Mr. Bush said last Friday that he welcomed debate, even in a time of
war, but that "it is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of
how that war began." We agree, but it is Mr. Bush and his team who are
rewriting history.
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User: "eddie wilson"

Title: EVIDENCE THAT torresD HATES HARRY HOPE ==> "It is Mr. Bush and his team who are rewriting history" 15 Nov 2005 12:05:22 PM
Harry Hope wrote:

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:08:55 -0600, drb <drb@ya.sure.no> wrote:

New York Times
November 15, 2007

Editorial
Decoding Mr. Bush's Denials

To avoid having to account for his administration's misleading
statements before the war with Iraq, President Bush has tried denial,
saying he did not skew the intelligence. He's tried to share the
blame, claiming that Congress had the same intelligence he had, as
well as President Bill Clinton. He's tried to pass the buck and blame
the C.I.A. Lately, he's gone on the attack, accusing Democrats in
Congress of aiding the terrorists.

Yesterday in Alaska, Mr. Bush trotted out the same tedious deflection
on Iraq that he usually attempts when his back is against the wall: he
claims that questioning his actions three years ago is a betrayal of
the troops in battle today.

It all amounts to one energetic effort at avoidance. But like the
W.M.D. reports that started the whole thing, the only problem is that
none of it has been true.

=B7

Mr. Bush says everyone had the same intelligence he had - Mr. Clinton
and his advisers, foreign governments, and members of Congress - and
that all of them reached the same conclusions. The only part that is
true is that Mr. Bush was working off the same intelligence Mr.
Clinton had. But that is scary, not reassuring. The reports about
Saddam Hussein's weapons were old, some more than 10 years old.
Nothing was fresher than about five years, except reports that later
proved to be fanciful.

Foreign intelligence services did not have full access to American
intelligence. But some had dissenting opinions that were ignored or
not shown to top American officials. Congress had nothing close to the
president's access to intelligence. The National Intelligence Estimate
presented to Congress a few days before the vote on war was sanitized
to remove dissent and make conjecture seem like fact.

It's hard to imagine what Mr. Bush means when he says everyone reached
the same conclusion. There was indeed a widespread belief that Iraq
had chemical and biological weapons. But Mr. Clinton looked at the
data and concluded that inspections and pressure were working - a view
we now know was accurate. France, Russia and Germany said war was not
justified. Even Britain admitted later that there had been no new
evidence about Iraq, just new politics.

The administration had little company in saying that Iraq was actively
trying to build a nuclear weapon. The evidence for this claim was a
dubious report about an attempt in 1999 to buy uranium from Niger,
later shown to be false, and the infamous aluminum tubes story. That
was dismissed at the time by analysts with real expertise.

The Blush administration was also alone in making the absurd claim that
Iraq was in league with Al Qaeda and somehow connected to the 9/11
terrorist attacks. That was based on two false tales. One was the
supposed trip to Prague by Mohamed Atta, a report that was disputed
before the war and came from an unreliable drunk. The other was that
Iraq trained Qaeda members in the use of chemical and biological
weapons. Before the war, the Defense Intelligence Agency concluded
that this was a deliberate fabrication by an informer.

Mr. Brush has said in recent days that the first phase of the Senate
Intelligence Committee's investigation on Iraq found no evidence of
political pressure to change the intelligence. That is true only in
the very narrow way the Republicans on the committee insisted on
defining pressure: as direct pressure from senior officials to change
intelligence. Instead, the Bush administration made what it wanted to
hear crystal clear and kept sending reports back to be redone until it
got those answers.

Richard Kerr, a former deputy director of central intelligence, said
in 2003 that there was "significant pressure on the intelligence
community to find evidence that supported a connection" between Iraq
and Al Qaeda. The C.I.A. ombudsman told the Senate Intelligence
Committee that the administration's "hammering" on Iraq intelligence
was harder than he had seen in his 32 years at the agency.

Mr. Bush and other administration officials say they faithfully
reported what they had read. But Vice President ***** Cheney presented
the Prague meeting as a fact when even the most supportive analysts
considered it highly dubious. The administration has still not
acknowledged that tales of Iraq coaching Al Qaeda on chemical warfare
were considered false, even at the time they were circulated.

Mr. Cheney was not alone. Remember Condoleezza Rice's infamous
"mushroom cloud" comment? And Secretary of State Colin Powell in
January 2003, when the rich and powerful met in Davos, Switzerland,
and he said, "Why is Iraq still trying to procure uranium and the
special equipment needed to transform it into material for nuclear
weapons?" Mr. Powell ought to have known the report on "special
equipment"' - the aluminum tubes - was false. And the uranium story
was four years old.

=B7

The president and his top advisers may very well have sincerely
believed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. But they did not
allow the American people, or even Congress, to have the information
necessary to make reasoned judgments of their own. It's obvious that
the Bush misadministration misled Americans about Mr. Hussein's weapons
and his terrorist connections. We need to know how that happened and
why.

Mr. Busch said last Friday that he welcomed debate, even in a time of
war, but that "it is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of
how that war began." We agree, but it is Mr. Bush and his team who are
reliving history.

------------------------------------------------------------------------=

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hahahahaha
.

User: "richard schumacher"

Title: Re: "It is Mr. Bush and his team who are rewriting history" 15 Nov 2005 08:08:07 AM
Well, of course they're rewriting history; that's what they do. As a
senior Bush aide boasted, "We're an empire now, and when we act, we
create our own reality" (1). To a morally and intellectually bankrupt
neocon, history is just another thing to be re-invented as needed.
(1)
http://tinyurl.com/b7rdv
original link is
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/11/
05/think_reality_not_ideology/
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: "It is Mr. Bush and his team who are rewriting history" 16 Nov 2005 09:50:36 AM
On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:08:07 -0500, richard schumacher
<no-spam@invalid.net> wrote:

Well, of course they're rewriting history; that's what they do. As a
senior Bush aide boasted, "We're an empire now, and when we act, we
create our own reality" (1). To a morally and intellectually bankrupt
neocon, history is just another thing to be re-invented as needed.

(1)
http://tinyurl.com/b7rdv
original link is
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/11/
05/think_reality_not_ideology/

Home > News > Boston Globe > Opinion > Op-ed
The Boston Globe
H.D.S. GREENWAY
Think reality, not ideology
By H.D.S. Greenway | November 5, 2004
CONGRATULATIONS, Mr. President.
I would hope, now that you no longer have to face an electorate ever
again, that your second term might be based a bit more on reality than
ideology. One of your senior advisers told writer Ron Suskind that
people such as Suskind were "what we call the reality-based community
.. . . [people who] believe that solutions emerge from your judicious
study of discernible reality." That, according to your adviser, was
old hat. "We're an empire now," he said, "and when we act, we create
our own reality. We're history's actor's, and you, all of you, will be
left to just study what we do."
There can be no doubt that you are one of history's actors, but the
first act has not gone so well. Your advisers, especially your
messianic ideologues, have gotten you and the country into an awful
mess in Iraq.
Your first business should be to sweep out the Pentagon. I don't blame
you for choosing Donald Rumsfeld as secretary of defense. He had the
experience and the proven leadership qualities that you lacked four
years ago.
But he has badly bungled the war in Iraq. Even your loyal lieutenants
such as L. Paul Bremer have said that clearly there were not enough
troops in Iraq to secure the country when Baghdad fell, and you are
left now with the results of Rumsfeld's inadequacies. He, too, ignored
the reality-based advice of his generals and decided to use Iraq as a
laboratory for his theories about a smaller, more lively military.
You will be paying for his mistakes for the next four years. The
country will be paying for perhaps a generation.
And then there is the stain of the Abu Ghraib attocities.
Neither you nor Senator Kerry had much to say about this during the
campaign, but in the Muslim world they still loom large and are not
forgotten. The trail of subverting the Geneva Conventions leads up
through the Pentagon even to your own legal advisers, but it is
Rumsfeld who presided over this.
It was clear within weeks of the fall of Baghdad that Rumsfeld should
resign, and Abu Ghraib reinforces that. Personal responsibility used
to be an old Republican virtue, and if Rumsfeld doesn't understand the
concept, you should explain it to him.
Your second order of business should be to rid yourselves of those
advisers further down the line who have been so successful in
promoting "regime change" as your administration's hallmark. Paul
Wolfowitz, an actor who should be taken out of the cast, ought to be
unemployed and waiting on the tables of neoconservative fantasies.
And, surely, we have seen enough of Douglas Feith-based initiatives.
Democracy is a great idea, especially for the Middle East, but it is
not going to grow in a garden trod upon by American boots. American
power alone is not going to achieve your objective.
Campaign rhetoric aside, you know full well that those who oppose you
in Iraq are much more than a "handful" of malcontents. You are faced
with a growing popular rebellion. Now you can drop the pretense that
all is going well in Iraq, and your country certainly doesn't need to
repeat the mistakes in Syria or Iran.
A second term is the time to get serious about your road map for peace
in the Middle East. I know you admire Israel's Ariel Sharon. Your
father's national security adviser, Brent Scowcroft, has said that
Sharon has you "wrapped around his little finger," and that you are
"mesmerized" by him. But it is clear that if you want to make headway
against Muslim rage you have to relieve the suffering of the
Palestinian people. You need to take a leaf from your father's book
and give them hope. You cannot make the Palestinians the one exception
to your ideal of spreading democracy in the Middle East, as some of
your advisers have suggested, not if you are going to make headway in
the anti-terrorist cause. And the good news is that you can actually
help Israel out of the corner that Sharon has painted the country
into.
Lastly, bitter experience has shown you that it is counter-productive
to scorn the alliances that all the presidents since World War II,
including your father, have assiduously promoted. Your second
administration could heal these unnecessary breaches in international
relations. The reality-based community can be of enormous help to you,
if you choose to listen.
H.D.S. Greenway's column appears regularly in the Globe.
© Copyright 2004 Globe Newspaper Company.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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