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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Fred Stone" |
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10 Oct 2005 07:45:15 AM |
| Object: |
It must be Bush's fault |
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/10/10/D8D4UI400.html
India Quake Survivors Complain of Slow Aid
By MATTHEW ROSENBERG
Associated Press Writer
URI, India
Angry villagers blocked roads in earthquake-ravaged regions of Indian-
controlled Kashmir on Sunday, complaining the government was too slow in
getting rescue and aid efforts to them...
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Well, certainly the president can claim executive privilege.
But in this case, I think with a lifetime appointment to the
Supreme Court, you can't play, you know, hide the salami,
or whatever it's called."
-- Howard Dean, on "Hardball"
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: It must be Bush's fault |
11 Oct 2005 08:45:43 AM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:7vfmk19onkm3r7h450ttl9afk3ru2fum0s@4ax.com:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:29:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<1128983345.50bb7527d15b0bae04859bfe9bf26922@teranews> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:0hplk1550es2ovdkj45k7k21p2m6qj8o1q@4ax.com:
<...>
Yeah, I know how you prefer uncorroborated reports by people with
nothing to lose and no particular reputation to hold on to, but
those ice trucks, for example, exist no matter what you read.
I'm sure they do. So what? Are you trying to claim that they're the
whole story?
And *corroborated* reports from people with no axe to grind are much
preferable to the emotionalized soda-straw reporting from the MSM.
If you don't like the message, attack the messenger.
When the messenger is the one who is fucking up, yes, they should be
attacked.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The amount of violations of human rights in a country
is always an inverse function of the amount of complaints
about human rights violations heard from there.
The greater the number of complaints being aired,
the better protected are human rights in that country."
-- Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: It must be Bush's fault |
11 Oct 2005 12:15:30 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:45:43 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns96EC63639E43Afstone69@213.155.197.138>
wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:7vfmk19onkm3r7h450ttl9afk3ru2fum0s@4ax.com:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:29:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<1128983345.50bb7527d15b0bae04859bfe9bf26922@teranews> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:0hplk1550es2ovdkj45k7k21p2m6qj8o1q@4ax.com:
<...>
There is a neat bit hidden in that snip. Fred has claimed that
something exists. He asks for references but seem unwilling or unable
to produce them. Here is part of what got snipped:
[begin excerpt]
Except that a dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional after-action analysis
shows that FEMA was right on the ball, and it was the state and local
officials in Lousyana who stalled around because they couldn't cooperate
with each other, much less with a Republican administration.
Do you have a references for this: "dispassionate, unbiased,
unemotional after-action analysis"? I still fail to see what the LA
officials have to do with things like the ice screw up, but I am sure
your "dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional after-action analysis" will
explain that.
[end excerpt]
So, Fred, where is this analysis you reference?
[snip]
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
Genocide is news | Be A Witness
http://www.beawitness.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
www.darfurgenocide.org
Save Darfur.org :: Violence and Suffering in Sudan's Darfur Region
http://www.savedarfur.org/
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: It must be Bush's fault |
11 Oct 2005 02:03:05 PM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:nlsnk151a1tdp2roj693dtmocb8kmd18cp@4ax.com:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:45:43 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns96EC63639E43Afstone69@213.155.197.138>
wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:7vfmk19onkm3r7h450ttl9afk3ru2fum0s@4ax.com:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:29:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<1128983345.50bb7527d15b0bae04859bfe9bf26922@teranews> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in
news:0hplk1550es2ovdkj45k7k21p2m6qj8o1q@4ax.com:
<...>
There is a neat bit hidden in that snip. Fred has claimed that
something exists. He asks for references but seem unwilling or unable
to produce them. Here is part of what got snipped:
[begin excerpt]
Except that a dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional after-action
analysis
shows that FEMA was right on the ball, and it was the state and local
officials in Lousyana who stalled around because they couldn't
cooperate
with each other, much less with a Republican administration.
Do you have a references for this: "dispassionate, unbiased,
unemotional after-action analysis"? I still fail to see what the LA
officials have to do with things like the ice screw up, but I am sure
your "dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional after-action analysis" will
explain that.
[end excerpt]
So, Fred, where is this analysis you reference?
I refuse to participate in your deprecation of my sources.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The amount of violations of human rights in a country
is always an inverse function of the amount of complaints
about human rights violations heard from there.
The greater the number of complaints being aired,
the better protected are human rights in that country."
-- Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: It must be Bush's fault |
11 Oct 2005 06:12:04 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:03:05 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:nlsnk151a1tdp2roj693dtmocb8kmd18cp@4ax.com:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:45:43 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns96EC63639E43Afstone69@213.155.197.138>
wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:7vfmk19onkm3r7h450ttl9afk3ru2fum0s@4ax.com:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:29:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<1128983345.50bb7527d15b0bae04859bfe9bf26922@teranews> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in
news:0hplk1550es2ovdkj45k7k21p2m6qj8o1q@4ax.com:
<...>
There is a neat bit hidden in that snip. Fred has claimed that
something exists. He asks for references but seem unwilling or unable
to produce them. Here is part of what got snipped:
[begin excerpt]
Except that a dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional after-action
analysis
shows that FEMA was right on the ball, and it was the state and local
officials in Lousyana who stalled around because they couldn't
cooperate
with each other, much less with a Republican administration.
Do you have a references for this: "dispassionate, unbiased,
unemotional after-action analysis"? I still fail to see what the LA
officials have to do with things like the ice screw up, but I am sure
your "dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional after-action analysis" will
explain that.
[end excerpt]
So, Fred, where is this analysis you reference?
I refuse to participate in your deprecation of my sources.
Translation:
I don't like it when my pretty sources are all mucked up with nasty
facts and logic.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: It must be Bush's fault |
12 Oct 2005 08:03:03 AM |
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(Kate ) wrote in news:434e4623.194222421@news-
west.newscene.com:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:03:05 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:nlsnk151a1tdp2roj693dtmocb8kmd18cp@4ax.com:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:45:43 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , Fred
Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns96EC63639E43Afstone69@
213.155.197.138>
wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in
news:7vfmk19onkm3r7h450ttl9afk3ru2fum0s@4ax.com:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:29:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<1128983345.50bb7527d15b0bae04859bfe9bf26922@teranews> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com>
wrote
in
news:0hplk1550es2ovdkj45k7k21p2m6qj8o1q@4ax.com:
<...>
There is a neat bit hidden in that snip. Fred has claimed that
something exists. He asks for references but seem unwilling or
unable
to produce them. Here is part of what got snipped:
[begin excerpt]
Except that a dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional after-action
analysis
shows that FEMA was right on the ball, and it was the state and
local
officials in Lousyana who stalled around because they couldn't
cooperate
with each other, much less with a Republican administration.
Do you have a references for this: "dispassionate, unbiased,
unemotional after-action analysis"? I still fail to see what the LA
officials have to do with things like the ice screw up, but I am
sure
your "dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional after-action analysis"
will
explain that.
[end excerpt]
So, Fred, where is this analysis you reference?
I refuse to participate in your deprecation of my sources.
Translation:
I don't like it when my pretty sources are all mucked up with nasty
facts and logic.
The next time you have some facts and logic, Kate, will be the first
time.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The amount of violations of human rights in a country
is always an inverse function of the amount of complaints
about human rights violations heard from there.
The greater the number of complaints being aired,
the better protected are human rights in that country."
-- Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: It must be Bush's fault |
12 Oct 2005 11:42:02 AM |
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:03:03 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in news:434e4623.194222421@news-
west.newscene.com:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:03:05 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:nlsnk151a1tdp2roj693dtmocb8kmd18cp@4ax.com:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:45:43 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , Fred
Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns96EC63639E43Afstone69@
213.155.197.138>
wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in
news:7vfmk19onkm3r7h450ttl9afk3ru2fum0s@4ax.com:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:29:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<1128983345.50bb7527d15b0bae04859bfe9bf26922@teranews> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com>
wrote
in
news:0hplk1550es2ovdkj45k7k21p2m6qj8o1q@4ax.com:
<...>
There is a neat bit hidden in that snip. Fred has claimed that
something exists. He asks for references but seem unwilling or
unable
to produce them. Here is part of what got snipped:
[begin excerpt]
Except that a dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional after-action
analysis
shows that FEMA was right on the ball, and it was the state and
local
officials in Lousyana who stalled around because they couldn't
cooperate
with each other, much less with a Republican administration.
Do you have a references for this: "dispassionate, unbiased,
unemotional after-action analysis"? I still fail to see what the LA
officials have to do with things like the ice screw up, but I am
sure
your "dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional after-action analysis"
will
explain that.
[end excerpt]
So, Fred, where is this analysis you reference?
I refuse to participate in your deprecation of my sources.
Translation:
I don't like it when my pretty sources are all mucked up with nasty
facts and logic.
The next time you have some facts and logic, Kate, will be the first
time.
LOL - how would you know?
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: It must be Bush's fault |
12 Oct 2005 09:07:32 AM |
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:03:03 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns96ED5C269D541fstone69@213.155.197.138>
wrote:
cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in news:434e4623.194222421@news-
west.newscene.com:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:03:05 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:nlsnk151a1tdp2roj693dtmocb8kmd18cp@4ax.com:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:45:43 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , Fred
Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns96EC63639E43Afstone69@
213.155.197.138>
wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in
news:7vfmk19onkm3r7h450ttl9afk3ru2fum0s@4ax.com:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:29:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<1128983345.50bb7527d15b0bae04859bfe9bf26922@teranews> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com>
wrote
in
news:0hplk1550es2ovdkj45k7k21p2m6qj8o1q@4ax.com:
<...>
There is a neat bit hidden in that snip. Fred has claimed that
something exists. He asks for references but seem unwilling or
unable
to produce them. Here is part of what got snipped:
[begin excerpt]
Except that a dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional after-action
analysis
shows that FEMA was right on the ball, and it was the state and
local
officials in Lousyana who stalled around because they couldn't
cooperate
with each other, much less with a Republican administration.
Do you have a references for this: "dispassionate, unbiased,
unemotional after-action analysis"? I still fail to see what the LA
officials have to do with things like the ice screw up, but I am
sure
your "dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional after-action analysis"
will
explain that.
[end excerpt]
So, Fred, where is this analysis you reference?
I refuse to participate in your deprecation of my sources.
Translation:
I don't like it when my pretty sources are all mucked up with nasty
facts and logic.
The next time you have some facts and logic, Kate, will be the first
time.
You have still failed to produce the document you claimed existed.
Again, *you* said that "a dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional
after-action analysis shows that FEMA was right on the ball". I would
like to see this "dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional after-action
analysis shows that FEMA was right on the ball". For some reason you
think that my quoting your description is disparaging of the source.
It is not, it is just an attempt to prevent any goal-post moving. Did
you really read a "dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional after-action
analysis"? If so where?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
Genocide is news | Be A Witness
http://www.beawitness.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
www.darfurgenocide.org
Save Darfur.org :: Violence and Suffering in Sudan's Darfur Region
http://www.savedarfur.org/
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: It must be Bush's fault |
12 Oct 2005 09:36:23 AM |
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:b06qk19rv86jl3rlt3b0mg87nu08f06ofm@4ax.com:
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:03:03 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns96ED5C269D541fstone69@213.155.197.138>
wrote:
cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in news:434e4623.194222421@news-
west.newscene.com:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:03:05 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in
news:nlsnk151a1tdp2roj693dtmocb8kmd18cp@4ax.com:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:45:43 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , Fred
Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns96EC63639E43Afstone69@
213.155.197.138>
wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com>
wrote
in
news:7vfmk19onkm3r7h450ttl9afk3ru2fum0s@4ax.com:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:29:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<1128983345.50bb7527d15b0bae04859bfe9bf26922@teranews> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com>
wrote
in
news:0hplk1550es2ovdkj45k7k21p2m6qj8o1q@4ax.com:
<...>
There is a neat bit hidden in that snip. Fred has claimed that
something exists. He asks for references but seem unwilling or
unable
to produce them. Here is part of what got snipped:
[begin excerpt]
Except that a dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional after-action
analysis
shows that FEMA was right on the ball, and it was the state and
local
officials in Lousyana who stalled around because they couldn't
cooperate
with each other, much less with a Republican administration.
Do you have a references for this: "dispassionate, unbiased,
unemotional after-action analysis"? I still fail to see what the
LA
officials have to do with things like the ice screw up, but I am
sure
your "dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional after-action analysis"
will
explain that.
[end excerpt]
So, Fred, where is this analysis you reference?
I refuse to participate in your deprecation of my sources.
Translation:
I don't like it when my pretty sources are all mucked up with nasty
facts and logic.
The next time you have some facts and logic, Kate, will be the first
time.
You have still failed to produce the document you claimed existed.
Again, *you* said that "a dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional
after-action analysis shows that FEMA was right on the ball". I would
like to see this "dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional after-action
analysis shows that FEMA was right on the ball". For some reason you
think that my quoting your description is disparaging of the source.
It is not, it is just an attempt to prevent any goal-post moving. Did
you really read a "dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional after-action
analysis"? If so where?
First of all, you put words in my mouth after you quoted that phrase.
Second:
http://www.factcheck.org/article348.html
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The amount of violations of human rights in a country
is always an inverse function of the amount of complaints
about human rights violations heard from there.
The greater the number of complaints being aired,
the better protected are human rights in that country."
-- Daniel Patrick Moynihan
.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: It must be Bush's fault |
12 Oct 2005 10:14:45 AM |
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:36:23 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns96ED6BF9815AFfstone69@213.155.197.138>
wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:b06qk19rv86jl3rlt3b0mg87nu08f06ofm@4ax.com:
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:03:03 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns96ED5C269D541fstone69@213.155.197.138>
wrote:
cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in news:434e4623.194222421@news-
west.newscene.com:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:03:05 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in
news:nlsnk151a1tdp2roj693dtmocb8kmd18cp@4ax.com:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:45:43 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , Fred
Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns96EC63639E43Afstone69@
213.155.197.138>
wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com>
wrote
in
news:7vfmk19onkm3r7h450ttl9afk3ru2fum0s@4ax.com:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:29:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<1128983345.50bb7527d15b0bae04859bfe9bf26922@teranews> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com>
wrote
in
news:0hplk1550es2ovdkj45k7k21p2m6qj8o1q@4ax.com:
<...>
There is a neat bit hidden in that snip. Fred has claimed that
something exists. He asks for references but seem unwilling or
unable
to produce them. Here is part of what got snipped:
[begin excerpt]
Except that a dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional after-action
analysis
shows that FEMA was right on the ball, and it was the state and
local
officials in Lousyana who stalled around because they couldn't
cooperate
with each other, much less with a Republican administration.
Do you have a references for this: "dispassionate, unbiased,
unemotional after-action analysis"? I still fail to see what the
LA
officials have to do with things like the ice screw up, but I am
sure
your "dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional after-action analysis"
will
explain that.
[end excerpt]
So, Fred, where is this analysis you reference?
I refuse to participate in your deprecation of my sources.
Translation:
I don't like it when my pretty sources are all mucked up with nasty
facts and logic.
The next time you have some facts and logic, Kate, will be the first
time.
You have still failed to produce the document you claimed existed.
Again, *you* said that "a dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional
after-action analysis shows that FEMA was right on the ball". I would
like to see this "dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional after-action
analysis shows that FEMA was right on the ball". For some reason you
think that my quoting your description is disparaging of the source.
It is not, it is just an attempt to prevent any goal-post moving. Did
you really read a "dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional after-action
analysis"? If so where?
First of all, you put words in my mouth after you quoted that phrase.
Since you are accusing me of dishonesty here I would like you to make
it specific. What words did I put in your mouth in what post?
Second:
http://www.factcheck.org/article348.html
Annenberg/Factcheck is not a bad source. Let's see what we have.
[begin excerpt]
Monday August 29, 2005 - Day of Katrina
....
About 11 a.m. (exact time uncertain) - Roughly five hours after
Katrina strikes the coast, FEMA director Michael Brown sends a memo –
later obtained and made public by The Associated Press – requesting an
additional 1,000 rescue workers from the Department of Homeland
Security "within 48 hours" and 2,000 more within seven days. It is
addressed to his boss, Michael Chertoff, Secretary of Homeland
Security. Brown refers to Katrina as "this near catastrophic event"
(our emphasis.) He proposes sending the workers first for training in
Georgia or Florida, then to the disaster area "when conditions are
safe." Among the duties of the workers, Brown proposes, is to "convey
a positive image of disaster operations to government officials,
community organizations and the general public." (Emphasis added.)
—Michael D. Brown, " Memorandum to Michael Chertoff, Secretary of
Homeland Security ," 29 Aug 2005.
http://wid.ap.org/documents/dhskatrina.pdf
[end except]
So it is "near catastrophic" and he wants to start training people.
Not exactly what I would have expected. The city was already flooded
at that time. I can understand "friction" meaning he would not know
that, but he should have and they should fix the communication problem
that would have prevented him from knowing.
I just read through the whole page. It is a not unreasonable summary
of coverage, though not at all an in-depth after-action analysis and
it does not, that I can see, show that FEMA was "right on the ball".
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: It must be Bush's fault |
11 Oct 2005 05:36:59 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:03:05 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns96EC993741BBDfstone69@213.155.197.138>
wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:nlsnk151a1tdp2roj693dtmocb8kmd18cp@4ax.com:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:45:43 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns96EC63639E43Afstone69@213.155.197.138>
wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:7vfmk19onkm3r7h450ttl9afk3ru2fum0s@4ax.com:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:29:05 GMT, in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in
<1128983345.50bb7527d15b0bae04859bfe9bf26922@teranews> wrote:
Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in
news:0hplk1550es2ovdkj45k7k21p2m6qj8o1q@4ax.com:
<...>
There is a neat bit hidden in that snip. Fred has claimed that
something exists. He asks for references but seem unwilling or unable
to produce them. Here is part of what got snipped:
[begin excerpt]
Except that a dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional after-action
analysis
shows that FEMA was right on the ball, and it was the state and local
officials in Lousyana who stalled around because they couldn't
cooperate
with each other, much less with a Republican administration.
Do you have a references for this: "dispassionate, unbiased,
unemotional after-action analysis"? I still fail to see what the LA
officials have to do with things like the ice screw up, but I am sure
your "dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional after-action analysis" will
explain that.
[end excerpt]
So, Fred, where is this analysis you reference?
I refuse to participate in your deprecation of my sources.
Depreciation? I quoted your description. How is that depreciating
them? I might be suggesting that no such analysis exists since I am
skeptical of it. If your point here is that the dispassionate,
unbiased, unemotional after-action analysis" comes from someone's
blog, then I am quite skeptical. So show I am wrong, show me this
dispassionate, unbiased, unemotional after-action analysis" that shows
that FEMA was "right on the ball".
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Matt Silberstein
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: It must be Bush's fault |
10 Oct 2005 05:19:08 PM |
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TV's Fred Stone wrote:
I agree, I think that the U.S. should expect a
significantly better response than that from a country like Pakistan.
Shrub should have looked for people with subject matter competence
instead of constantly picking people based on their loyalty to him.
Unfortunately, Bush doesn't get to pick the governor of Louisiana or the
mayor of New Orleans.
Thank you for finally admitting that you wish Bush was a dictator...
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aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: It must be Bush's fault |
10 Oct 2005 08:41:18 PM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:DYqdnfeqWcenctfeRVn-sg@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
I agree, I think that the U.S. should expect a
significantly better response than that from a country like
Pakistan. Shrub should have looked for people with subject matter
competence instead of constantly picking people based on their
loyalty to him.
Unfortunately, Bush doesn't get to pick the governor of Louisiana or
the mayor of New Orleans.
Thank you for finally admitting that you wish Bush was a dictator...
I think you need to get your ironymeter tuned up, Mr. Literal.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The amount of violations of human rights in a country
is always an inverse function of the amount of complaints
about human rights violations heard from there.
The greater the number of complaints being aired,
the better protected are human rights in that country."
-- Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: It must be Bush's fault |
10 Oct 2005 10:32:38 PM |
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TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:DYqdnfeqWcenctfeRVn-sg@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
I agree, I think that the U.S. should expect a
significantly better response than that from a country like
Pakistan. Shrub should have looked for people with subject matter
competence instead of constantly picking people based on their
loyalty to him.
Unfortunately, Bush doesn't get to pick the governor of Louisiana or
the mayor of New Orleans.
Thank you for finally admitting that you wish Bush was a dictator...
I think you need to get your ironymeter tuned up, Mr. Literal.
Well, you said it.
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aa #2133
ap #19
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