| Topic: |
Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"stoney" |
| Date: |
15 Feb 2006 09:20:43 PM |
| Object: |
Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2006-02-14T155102Z_01_L1457682_RTRUKOC_0_US-RELIGION-CARTOONS-ITALY.xml&rpc=22
Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts
Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:51 AM ET10
By Crispian Balmer
ROME (Reuters) - Italy's Reform Minister Roberto Calderoli has had
T-shirts made emblazoned with cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a move
that could embarrass Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's government.
Calderoli, a member of the anti-immigrant Northern League party, told
Ansa news agency on Tuesday that the West had to stand up against
Islamist extremists and offered to hand out T-shirts to anyone who
wanted them.
"I have had T-shirts made with the cartoons that have upset Islam and I
will start wearing them today," Ansa quoted Calderoli as saying.
He said the T-shirts were not meant to be a provocation but added that
he saw no point trying to appease extremists.
"We have to put an end to this story that we can talk to these people.
They only want to humiliate people. Full stop. And what are we becoming?
The civilization of melted butter?" Calderoli said.
The publication of the cartoons in some European newspapers, including
one showing an image of the prophet with a bomb for a turban, have
provoked widespread anger in the Muslim world.
Many Muslims believe it is blasphemous to depict the Prophet and there
have been a number of violent protests in the Middle East and Asia.
The Northern League, which is gearing up for an April general election,
has leapt on the controversy to promote its own far-right political
agenda.
RELIGIOUS WAR
The League has long led the charge against illegal immigration and its
leaders say the cartoon violence shows the dangers of allowing Muslim
immigrants to settle in Italy.
"This is only the tip of the iceberg of the religious war Islamist
extremists have declared on us," Calderoli told reporters earlier this
month.
The Italian press reported that Berlusconi last week urged Calderoli to
take a more moderate stance over the issue, but the minister said on
Tuesday he had no intention of keeping quiet.
"As for Berlusconi, seeing as he has compared himself to Jesus Christ, I
would call on him to follow (Christ's) example and think about
evangelizing Christian values and not be evangelized by Islam,"
Calderoli was quoted as saying.
Berlusconi caused a storm at the weekend when he said: "I am the Jesus
Christ of politics...I sacrifice myself for everyone."
Maintaining a steady stream of anti-foreigner invective, Calderoli
earlier this month dismissed a Palestinian journalist on a television
chat show, as: "that suntanned lady". He also said he was delighted
newcomers to Italy would not benefit from a government scheme to
encourage people to have more children.
"I am proud of the fact that the baby bonus will only go to Italian
citizens. I say to all those Ali Babas that either Allah or their
governments will have to think of them."
The League's anti-immigrant stance has found a sympathetic audience in
the wealthy north of Italy, where many third world immigrants have
settled in recent years.
League politicians say the immigrants are responsible for growing crime
rates and are also challenging Italians for jobs.
Latest opinion polls say the League will get up to six percent of the
vote in the April election against just 3.9 percent in the 2001 ballot.
However, it is not clear what part the anti-immigrant rhetoric has
played in this increase.
© Reuters 2006
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
.
|
|
| User: "Robibnikoff" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
16 Feb 2006 11:01:37 AM |
|
|
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:vnr7v1h7q4vh5g3rcaili868uhvvj4toj5@4ax.com...
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2006-02-14T155102Z_01_L1457682_RTRUKOC_0_US-RELIGION-CARTOONS-ITALY.xml&rpc=22
Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts
Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:51 AM ET10
By Crispian Balmer
ROME (Reuters) - Italy's Reform Minister Roberto Calderoli has had
T-shirts made emblazoned with cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a move
that could embarrass Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's government.
Calderoli, a member of the anti-immigrant Northern League party, told
Ansa news agency on Tuesday that the West had to stand up against
Islamist extremists and offered to hand out T-shirts to anyone who
wanted them.
"I have had T-shirts made with the cartoons that have upset Islam and I
will start wearing them today," Ansa quoted Calderoli as saying.
He said the T-shirts were not meant to be a provocation but added that
he saw no point trying to appease extremists.
"We have to put an end to this story that we can talk to these people.
They only want to humiliate people. Full stop. And what are we becoming?
The civilization of melted butter?" Calderoli said.
Jeeze, I think everyone just really needs to grow up and stop this nonsense.
Sheesh!
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
.
|
|
|
| User: "stoney" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
17 Feb 2006 02:37:28 PM |
|
|
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:01:37 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:vnr7v1h7q4vh5g3rcaili868uhvvj4toj5@4ax.com...
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2006-02-14T155102Z_01_L1457682_RTRUKOC_0_US-RELIGION-CARTOONS-ITALY.xml&rpc=22
Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts
Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:51 AM ET10
By Crispian Balmer
ROME (Reuters) - Italy's Reform Minister Roberto Calderoli has had
T-shirts made emblazoned with cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a move
that could embarrass Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's government.
Calderoli, a member of the anti-immigrant Northern League party, told
Ansa news agency on Tuesday that the West had to stand up against
Islamist extremists and offered to hand out T-shirts to anyone who
wanted them.
"I have had T-shirts made with the cartoons that have upset Islam and I
will start wearing them today," Ansa quoted Calderoli as saying.
He said the T-shirts were not meant to be a provocation but added that
he saw no point trying to appease extremists.
"We have to put an end to this story that we can talk to these people.
They only want to humiliate people. Full stop. And what are we becoming?
The civilization of melted butter?" Calderoli said.
Jeeze, I think everyone just really needs to grow up and stop this nonsense.
Sheesh!
That would require people to put their damned superstitions in the
rubbish bin next to their 'security blankets' and 'pacifiers.'
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Mysjkin" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
24 Feb 2006 02:05:08 AM |
|
|
This ridiculous reader's letter with picture is now beeing passed
around Scnadinavia by e-mail:
http://mysjkin.blogspot.com/2006/02/are-danish-people-really-sorry-for.html
Mysjkin
http://www.mysjkin.blogspot.com/
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "johac" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
16 Feb 2006 01:01:17 AM |
|
|
In article <vnr7v1h7q4vh5g3rcaili868uhvvj4toj5@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2006-02-
14T155102Z_01_L1457682_RTRUKOC_0_US-RELIGION-CARTOONS-ITALY.xml&rpc=22
Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts
Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:51 AM ET10
By Crispian Balmer
ROME (Reuters) - Italy's Reform Minister Roberto Calderoli has had
T-shirts made emblazoned with cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a move
that could embarrass Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's government.
Calderoli, a member of the anti-immigrant Northern League party, told
Ansa news agency on Tuesday that the West had to stand up against
Islamist extremists and offered to hand out T-shirts to anyone who
wanted them.
"I have had T-shirts made with the cartoons that have upset Islam and I
will start wearing them today," Ansa quoted Calderoli as saying.
He said the T-shirts were not meant to be a provocation but added that
he saw no point trying to appease extremists.
"We have to put an end to this story that we can talk to these people.
They only want to humiliate people. Full stop. And what are we becoming?
The civilization of melted butter?" Calderoli said.
It seems that everybody's getting stupid over this one. Not that I have
much sympathy for the Islamic extremists, but why go out of your way to
provoke them?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
|
|
|
| User: "stoney" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
16 Feb 2006 01:43:03 PM |
|
|
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:01:17 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <vnr7v1h7q4vh5g3rcaili868uhvvj4toj5@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2006-02-
14T155102Z_01_L1457682_RTRUKOC_0_US-RELIGION-CARTOONS-ITALY.xml&rpc=22
Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts
Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:51 AM ET10
By Crispian Balmer
ROME (Reuters) - Italy's Reform Minister Roberto Calderoli has had
T-shirts made emblazoned with cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a move
that could embarrass Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's government.
Calderoli, a member of the anti-immigrant Northern League party, told
Ansa news agency on Tuesday that the West had to stand up against
Islamist extremists and offered to hand out T-shirts to anyone who
wanted them.
"I have had T-shirts made with the cartoons that have upset Islam and I
will start wearing them today," Ansa quoted Calderoli as saying.
He said the T-shirts were not meant to be a provocation but added that
he saw no point trying to appease extremists.
"We have to put an end to this story that we can talk to these people.
They only want to humiliate people. Full stop. And what are we becoming?
The civilization of melted butter?" Calderoli said.
It seems that everybody's getting stupid over this one. Not that I have
much sympathy for the Islamic extremists, but why go out of your way to
provoke them?
They're self-provoking. The point is to ram the point home that the
tenets of their superstition do not apply outside of the mideast
countries.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
.
|
|
|
| User: "johac" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
17 Feb 2006 12:59:39 AM |
|
|
In article <9cl9v154ce1tnni5t7fec72vmvpv1d89f6@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:01:17 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <vnr7v1h7q4vh5g3rcaili868uhvvj4toj5@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2006-
02-
14T155102Z_01_L1457682_RTRUKOC_0_US-RELIGION-CARTOONS-ITALY.xml&rpc=22
Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts
Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:51 AM ET10
By Crispian Balmer
ROME (Reuters) - Italy's Reform Minister Roberto Calderoli has had
T-shirts made emblazoned with cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a move
that could embarrass Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's government.
Calderoli, a member of the anti-immigrant Northern League party, told
Ansa news agency on Tuesday that the West had to stand up against
Islamist extremists and offered to hand out T-shirts to anyone who
wanted them.
"I have had T-shirts made with the cartoons that have upset Islam and I
will start wearing them today," Ansa quoted Calderoli as saying.
He said the T-shirts were not meant to be a provocation but added that
he saw no point trying to appease extremists.
"We have to put an end to this story that we can talk to these people.
They only want to humiliate people. Full stop. And what are we becoming?
The civilization of melted butter?" Calderoli said.
It seems that everybody's getting stupid over this one. Not that I have
much sympathy for the Islamic extremists, but why go out of your way to
provoke them?
They're self-provoking. The point is to ram the point home that the
tenets of their superstition do not apply outside of the mideast
countries.
But as I posted somewhere else, why kick an angry dog for no reason?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
|
|
|
| User: "stoney" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
17 Feb 2006 11:57:12 AM |
|
|
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:59:39 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <9cl9v154ce1tnni5t7fec72vmvpv1d89f6@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:01:17 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <vnr7v1h7q4vh5g3rcaili868uhvvj4toj5@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2006-
02-
14T155102Z_01_L1457682_RTRUKOC_0_US-RELIGION-CARTOONS-ITALY.xml&rpc=22
Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts
Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:51 AM ET10
By Crispian Balmer
ROME (Reuters) - Italy's Reform Minister Roberto Calderoli has had
T-shirts made emblazoned with cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a move
that could embarrass Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's government.
Calderoli, a member of the anti-immigrant Northern League party, told
Ansa news agency on Tuesday that the West had to stand up against
Islamist extremists and offered to hand out T-shirts to anyone who
wanted them.
"I have had T-shirts made with the cartoons that have upset Islam and I
will start wearing them today," Ansa quoted Calderoli as saying.
He said the T-shirts were not meant to be a provocation but added that
he saw no point trying to appease extremists.
"We have to put an end to this story that we can talk to these people.
They only want to humiliate people. Full stop. And what are we becoming?
The civilization of melted butter?" Calderoli said.
It seems that everybody's getting stupid over this one. Not that I have
much sympathy for the Islamic extremists, but why go out of your way to
provoke them?
They're self-provoking. The point is to ram the point home that the
tenets of their superstition do not apply outside of the mideast
countries.
But as I posted somewhere else, why kick an angry dog for no reason?
The dog is always angry so nothing changes.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
.
|
|
|
| User: "johac" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
18 Feb 2006 01:44:09 AM |
|
|
In article <ui3cv15831ei9ri13m1c8aphj37hoigr8s@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:59:39 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <9cl9v154ce1tnni5t7fec72vmvpv1d89f6@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:01:17 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <vnr7v1h7q4vh5g3rcaili868uhvvj4toj5@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=20
06-
02-
14T155102Z_01_L1457682_RTRUKOC_0_US-RELIGION-CARTOONS-ITALY.xml&rpc=22
Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts
Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:51 AM ET10
By Crispian Balmer
ROME (Reuters) - Italy's Reform Minister Roberto Calderoli has had
T-shirts made emblazoned with cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a
move
that could embarrass Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's government.
Calderoli, a member of the anti-immigrant Northern League party, told
Ansa news agency on Tuesday that the West had to stand up against
Islamist extremists and offered to hand out T-shirts to anyone who
wanted them.
"I have had T-shirts made with the cartoons that have upset Islam and I
will start wearing them today," Ansa quoted Calderoli as saying.
He said the T-shirts were not meant to be a provocation but added that
he saw no point trying to appease extremists.
"We have to put an end to this story that we can talk to these people.
They only want to humiliate people. Full stop. And what are we
becoming?
The civilization of melted butter?" Calderoli said.
It seems that everybody's getting stupid over this one. Not that I have
much sympathy for the Islamic extremists, but why go out of your way to
provoke them?
They're self-provoking. The point is to ram the point home that the
tenets of their superstition do not apply outside of the mideast
countries.
But as I posted somewhere else, why kick an angry dog for no reason?
The dog is always angry so nothing changes.
Yeah, but usually the way it works is that something happens, they go
nuts for a week or so, then the whole thing dies down. I don't fault the
danes for publishing the first cartoons, but after the uproar started,
why did the French, German, Italian, and all of those other countries
have to publish them too. Sure, they had a right to, but maybe they
should have thought a little about what the consequences of their
further actions might be.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
|
|
|
| User: "stoney" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
18 Feb 2006 11:56:49 AM |
|
|
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:44:09 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <ui3cv15831ei9ri13m1c8aphj37hoigr8s@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:59:39 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <9cl9v154ce1tnni5t7fec72vmvpv1d89f6@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:01:17 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <vnr7v1h7q4vh5g3rcaili868uhvvj4toj5@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=20
06-
02-
14T155102Z_01_L1457682_RTRUKOC_0_US-RELIGION-CARTOONS-ITALY.xml&rpc=22
Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts
Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:51 AM ET10
By Crispian Balmer
ROME (Reuters) - Italy's Reform Minister Roberto Calderoli has had
T-shirts made emblazoned with cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a
move
that could embarrass Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's government.
Calderoli, a member of the anti-immigrant Northern League party, told
Ansa news agency on Tuesday that the West had to stand up against
Islamist extremists and offered to hand out T-shirts to anyone who
wanted them.
"I have had T-shirts made with the cartoons that have upset Islam and I
will start wearing them today," Ansa quoted Calderoli as saying.
He said the T-shirts were not meant to be a provocation but added that
he saw no point trying to appease extremists.
"We have to put an end to this story that we can talk to these people.
They only want to humiliate people. Full stop. And what are we
becoming?
The civilization of melted butter?" Calderoli said.
It seems that everybody's getting stupid over this one. Not that I have
much sympathy for the Islamic extremists, but why go out of your way to
provoke them?
They're self-provoking. The point is to ram the point home that the
tenets of their superstition do not apply outside of the mideast
countries.
But as I posted somewhere else, why kick an angry dog for no reason?
The dog is always angry so nothing changes.
Yeah, but usually the way it works is that something happens, they go
nuts for a week or so, then the whole thing dies down. I don't fault the
danes for publishing the first cartoons, but after the uproar started,
why did the French, German, Italian, and all of those other countries
have to publish them too. Sure, they had a right to, but maybe they
should have thought a little about what the consequences of their
further actions might be.
The point was, and remains, the tenets of the Muslim superstition don't
apply outside the mideastern hell holes. The mad muslim dogs haven't
learned that lesson yet, so it requires repeating.
The muslims should have thought a little about what the consequences of
their further actions might be.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
.
|
|
|
| User: "" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
18 Feb 2006 05:52:43 PM |
|
|
I came across these t-shirts about Mohomad
http://www.cafepress.com/bollockstees/
Sean
http://www.DigFishDig.com
.
|
|
|
| User: "johac" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
20 Feb 2006 12:09:35 AM |
|
|
In article <1140306762.950600.188180@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
wrote:
I came across these t-shirts about Mohomad
http://www.cafepress.com/bollockstees/
Sean
http://www.DigFishDig.com
I like the Cheney T shirts.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "johac" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
19 Feb 2006 01:19:08 AM |
|
|
In article <3jnev1hfb57uibq9m62eg3rq9f6nilktp4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:44:09 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <ui3cv15831ei9ri13m1c8aphj37hoigr8s@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:59:39 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <9cl9v154ce1tnni5t7fec72vmvpv1d89f6@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:01:17 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <vnr7v1h7q4vh5g3rcaili868uhvvj4toj5@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid
=20
06-
02-
14T155102Z_01_L1457682_RTRUKOC_0_US-RELIGION-CARTOONS-ITALY.xml&rpc=2
2
Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts
Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:51 AM ET10
By Crispian Balmer
ROME (Reuters) - Italy's Reform Minister Roberto Calderoli has had
T-shirts made emblazoned with cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a
move
that could embarrass Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's government.
Calderoli, a member of the anti-immigrant Northern League party,
told
Ansa news agency on Tuesday that the West had to stand up against
Islamist extremists and offered to hand out T-shirts to anyone who
wanted them.
"I have had T-shirts made with the cartoons that have upset Islam
and I
will start wearing them today," Ansa quoted Calderoli as saying.
He said the T-shirts were not meant to be a provocation but added
that
he saw no point trying to appease extremists.
"We have to put an end to this story that we can talk to these
people.
They only want to humiliate people. Full stop. And what are we
becoming?
The civilization of melted butter?" Calderoli said.
It seems that everybody's getting stupid over this one. Not that I
have
much sympathy for the Islamic extremists, but why go out of your way
to
provoke them?
They're self-provoking. The point is to ram the point home that the
tenets of their superstition do not apply outside of the mideast
countries.
But as I posted somewhere else, why kick an angry dog for no reason?
The dog is always angry so nothing changes.
Yeah, but usually the way it works is that something happens, they go
nuts for a week or so, then the whole thing dies down. I don't fault the
danes for publishing the first cartoons, but after the uproar started,
why did the French, German, Italian, and all of those other countries
have to publish them too. Sure, they had a right to, but maybe they
should have thought a little about what the consequences of their
further actions might be.
The point was, and remains, the tenets of the Muslim superstition don't
apply outside the mideastern hell holes. The mad muslim dogs haven't
learned that lesson yet, so it requires repeating.
The problem is that we are not dealing with rationality here. In the
warped paranoid minds of the extremists, they see even the slightest
attack on Islam as an assault on all Muslims. The other point is that
many Muslims now live outside the Middle East, and are a significant
minority in places like Europe.
The muslims should have thought a little about what the consequences of
their further actions might be.
The crazies don't. Many wish to become 'martyrs'. I don't think that I
would want to see a global race war start, with possibly millions dead,
over a few cartoons.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
|
|
|
| User: "stoney" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
19 Feb 2006 10:10:18 AM |
|
|
On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:19:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <3jnev1hfb57uibq9m62eg3rq9f6nilktp4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:44:09 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <ui3cv15831ei9ri13m1c8aphj37hoigr8s@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
The dog is always angry so nothing changes.
Yeah, but usually the way it works is that something happens, they go
nuts for a week or so, then the whole thing dies down. I don't fault the
danes for publishing the first cartoons, but after the uproar started,
why did the French, German, Italian, and all of those other countries
have to publish them too. Sure, they had a right to, but maybe they
should have thought a little about what the consequences of their
further actions might be.
The point was, and remains, the tenets of the Muslim superstition don't
apply outside the mideastern hell holes. The mad muslim dogs haven't
learned that lesson yet, so it requires repeating.
The problem is that we are not dealing with rationality here.
Of course not.
In the
warped paranoid minds of the extremists, they see even the slightest
attack on Islam as an assault on all Muslims. The other point is that
many Muslims now live outside the Middle East, and are a significant
minority in places like Europe.
I guess the ladies better get fitted for their burkhas then.
The muslims should have thought a little about what the consequences of
their further actions might be.
The crazies don't. Many wish to become 'martyrs'. I don't think that I
would want to see a global race war start, with possibly millions dead,
over a few cartoons.
Then get used to rolling on your back in submission.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
.
|
|
|
| User: "johac" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
20 Feb 2006 12:08:11 AM |
|
|
In article <8v5hv15mkc2mt5sim6q5dotpth83ni7r4e@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:19:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <3jnev1hfb57uibq9m62eg3rq9f6nilktp4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:44:09 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <ui3cv15831ei9ri13m1c8aphj37hoigr8s@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
The dog is always angry so nothing changes.
Yeah, but usually the way it works is that something happens, they go
nuts for a week or so, then the whole thing dies down. I don't fault the
danes for publishing the first cartoons, but after the uproar started,
why did the French, German, Italian, and all of those other countries
have to publish them too. Sure, they had a right to, but maybe they
should have thought a little about what the consequences of their
further actions might be.
The point was, and remains, the tenets of the Muslim superstition don't
apply outside the mideastern hell holes. The mad muslim dogs haven't
learned that lesson yet, so it requires repeating.
The problem is that we are not dealing with rationality here.
Of course not.
In the
warped paranoid minds of the extremists, they see even the slightest
attack on Islam as an assault on all Muslims. The other point is that
many Muslims now live outside the Middle East, and are a significant
minority in places like Europe.
I guess the ladies better get fitted for their burkhas then.
No need.
The muslims should have thought a little about what the consequences of
their further actions might be.
The crazies don't. Many wish to become 'martyrs'. I don't think that I
would want to see a global race war start, with possibly millions dead,
over a few cartoons.
Then get used to rolling on your back in submission.
Not quite. I abhor violence and war. I always have. Yes, there are
things worth fighting for, but only as a last resort. If it came to a
direct military attack by Muslim nations against the West, I would say
that the West had every right to respond in kind. The Muslim nations
might be populous, but they are militarily weak. Millions would probably
die, including many innocents.
I'm not asking anyone to give up any right. I would just wish that those
newspapers which republished the cartoons would have used a little
judgment. Would it have hurt if they had waited a few weeks, until
things died down, to republish? I don't think so.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
|
|
|
| User: "stoney" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
20 Feb 2006 12:34:16 PM |
|
|
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:08:11 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <8v5hv15mkc2mt5sim6q5dotpth83ni7r4e@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:19:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <3jnev1hfb57uibq9m62eg3rq9f6nilktp4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:44:09 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <ui3cv15831ei9ri13m1c8aphj37hoigr8s@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
The dog is always angry so nothing changes.
Yeah, but usually the way it works is that something happens, they go
nuts for a week or so, then the whole thing dies down. I don't fault the
danes for publishing the first cartoons, but after the uproar started,
why did the French, German, Italian, and all of those other countries
have to publish them too. Sure, they had a right to, but maybe they
should have thought a little about what the consequences of their
further actions might be.
The point was, and remains, the tenets of the Muslim superstition don't
apply outside the mideastern hell holes. The mad muslim dogs haven't
learned that lesson yet, so it requires repeating.
The problem is that we are not dealing with rationality here.
Of course not.
In the
warped paranoid minds of the extremists, they see even the slightest
attack on Islam as an assault on all Muslims. The other point is that
many Muslims now live outside the Middle East, and are a significant
minority in places like Europe.
I guess the ladies better get fitted for their burkhas then.
No need.
There will be.
The muslims should have thought a little about what the consequences of
their further actions might be.
The crazies don't. Many wish to become 'martyrs'. I don't think that I
would want to see a global race war start, with possibly millions dead,
over a few cartoons.
Then get used to rolling on your back in submission.
Not quite. I abhor violence and war. I always have. Yes, there are
things worth fighting for, but only as a last resort. If it came to a
direct military attack by Muslim nations against the West, I would say
that the West had every right to respond in kind. The Muslim nations
might be populous, but they are militarily weak. Millions would probably
die, including many innocents.
Allah akabar. If things come down to that, better it be at the first
'roadblock' rather than a last ditch effort.
I'm not asking anyone to give up any right. I would just wish that those
newspapers which republished the cartoons would have used a little
judgment. Would it have hurt if they had waited a few weeks, until
things died down, to republish? I don't think so.
Waiting a few weeks would have hurt. It would have demonstrated that
tantrums were an effective method. These people are, effectively, in
their "terrible two's."
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
.
|
|
|
| User: "johac" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
22 Feb 2006 12:17:33 AM |
|
|
In article <qn2kv1pnqd8k2flr2a2nalt0qtoi85qq3f@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:08:11 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <8v5hv15mkc2mt5sim6q5dotpth83ni7r4e@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:19:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <3jnev1hfb57uibq9m62eg3rq9f6nilktp4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:44:09 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <ui3cv15831ei9ri13m1c8aphj37hoigr8s@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
The dog is always angry so nothing changes.
Yeah, but usually the way it works is that something happens, they go
nuts for a week or so, then the whole thing dies down. I don't fault
the
danes for publishing the first cartoons, but after the uproar started,
why did the French, German, Italian, and all of those other countries
have to publish them too. Sure, they had a right to, but maybe they
should have thought a little about what the consequences of their
further actions might be.
The point was, and remains, the tenets of the Muslim superstition don't
apply outside the mideastern hell holes. The mad muslim dogs haven't
learned that lesson yet, so it requires repeating.
The problem is that we are not dealing with rationality here.
Of course not.
In the
warped paranoid minds of the extremists, they see even the slightest
attack on Islam as an assault on all Muslims. The other point is that
many Muslims now live outside the Middle East, and are a significant
minority in places like Europe.
I guess the ladies better get fitted for their burkhas then.
No need.
There will be.
The muslims should have thought a little about what the consequences of
their further actions might be.
The crazies don't. Many wish to become 'martyrs'. I don't think that I
would want to see a global race war start, with possibly millions dead,
over a few cartoons.
Then get used to rolling on your back in submission.
Not quite. I abhor violence and war. I always have. Yes, there are
things worth fighting for, but only as a last resort. If it came to a
direct military attack by Muslim nations against the West, I would say
that the West had every right to respond in kind. The Muslim nations
might be populous, but they are militarily weak. Millions would probably
die, including many innocents.
Allah akabar. If things come down to that, better it be at the first
'roadblock' rather than a last ditch effort.
I'm not asking anyone to give up any right. I would just wish that those
newspapers which republished the cartoons would have used a little
judgment. Would it have hurt if they had waited a few weeks, until
things died down, to republish? I don't think so.
Waiting a few weeks would have hurt. It would have demonstrated that
tantrums were an effective method. These people are, effectively, in
their "terrible two's."
I think we disagree on this, but all I'm calling for is a little calm.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
|
|
|
| User: "stoney" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
22 Feb 2006 09:17:01 AM |
|
|
On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:17:33 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <qn2kv1pnqd8k2flr2a2nalt0qtoi85qq3f@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:08:11 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <8v5hv15mkc2mt5sim6q5dotpth83ni7r4e@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
The muslims should have thought a little about what the consequences of
their further actions might be.
The crazies don't. Many wish to become 'martyrs'. I don't think that I
would want to see a global race war start, with possibly millions dead,
over a few cartoons.
Then get used to rolling on your back in submission.
Not quite. I abhor violence and war. I always have. Yes, there are
things worth fighting for, but only as a last resort. If it came to a
direct military attack by Muslim nations against the West, I would say
that the West had every right to respond in kind. The Muslim nations
might be populous, but they are militarily weak. Millions would probably
die, including many innocents.
Allah akabar. If things come down to that, better it be at the first
'roadblock' rather than a last ditch effort.
I'm not asking anyone to give up any right. I would just wish that those
newspapers which republished the cartoons would have used a little
judgment. Would it have hurt if they had waited a few weeks, until
things died down, to republish? I don't think so.
Waiting a few weeks would have hurt. It would have demonstrated that
tantrums were an effective method. These people are, effectively, in
their "terrible two's."
I think we disagree on this, but all I'm calling for is a little calm.
The muslims aren't listening.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
.
|
|
|
| User: "johac" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
22 Feb 2006 11:52:44 PM |
|
|
In article <e20pv1196qabco3ghm9l1agut1u86kqiqr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:17:33 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <qn2kv1pnqd8k2flr2a2nalt0qtoi85qq3f@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:08:11 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <8v5hv15mkc2mt5sim6q5dotpth83ni7r4e@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
The muslims should have thought a little about what the consequences
of
their further actions might be.
The crazies don't. Many wish to become 'martyrs'. I don't think that I
would want to see a global race war start, with possibly millions
dead,
over a few cartoons.
Then get used to rolling on your back in submission.
Not quite. I abhor violence and war. I always have. Yes, there are
things worth fighting for, but only as a last resort. If it came to a
direct military attack by Muslim nations against the West, I would say
that the West had every right to respond in kind. The Muslim nations
might be populous, but they are militarily weak. Millions would probably
die, including many innocents.
Allah akabar. If things come down to that, better it be at the first
'roadblock' rather than a last ditch effort.
I'm not asking anyone to give up any right. I would just wish that those
newspapers which republished the cartoons would have used a little
judgment. Would it have hurt if they had waited a few weeks, until
things died down, to republish? I don't think so.
Waiting a few weeks would have hurt. It would have demonstrated that
tantrums were an effective method. These people are, effectively, in
their "terrible two's."
I think we disagree on this, but all I'm calling for is a little calm.
The muslims aren't listening.
Judging by events in Iraq today, they don't need Westerners to get them
riled up. they are perfectly capable of doing the job themselves.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
|
|
|
| User: "stoney" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
23 Feb 2006 08:57:26 AM |
|
|
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:52:44 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <e20pv1196qabco3ghm9l1agut1u86kqiqr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:17:33 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
[]
The muslims should have thought a little about what the consequences
of
their further actions might be.
The crazies don't. Many wish to become 'martyrs'. I don't think that I
would want to see a global race war start, with possibly millions
dead,
over a few cartoons.
Then get used to rolling on your back in submission.
Not quite. I abhor violence and war. I always have. Yes, there are
things worth fighting for, but only as a last resort. If it came to a
direct military attack by Muslim nations against the West, I would say
that the West had every right to respond in kind. The Muslim nations
might be populous, but they are militarily weak. Millions would probably
die, including many innocents.
Allah akabar. If things come down to that, better it be at the first
'roadblock' rather than a last ditch effort.
I'm not asking anyone to give up any right. I would just wish that those
newspapers which republished the cartoons would have used a little
judgment. Would it have hurt if they had waited a few weeks, until
things died down, to republish? I don't think so.
Waiting a few weeks would have hurt. It would have demonstrated that
tantrums were an effective method. These people are, effectively, in
their "terrible two's."
I think we disagree on this, but all I'm calling for is a little calm.
The muslims aren't listening.
Judging by events in Iraq today, they don't need Westerners to get them
riled up. they are perfectly capable of doing the job themselves.
That's what I've been trying to point out.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
.
|
|
|
| User: "johac" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
24 Feb 2006 12:02:34 AM |
|
|
In article <69jrv15vlj9171ksh5n2lo3bj80fts2e75@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:52:44 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <e20pv1196qabco3ghm9l1agut1u86kqiqr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:17:33 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
[]
The muslims should have thought a little about what the
consequences
of
their further actions might be.
The crazies don't. Many wish to become 'martyrs'. I don't think
that I
would want to see a global race war start, with possibly millions
dead,
over a few cartoons.
Then get used to rolling on your back in submission.
Not quite. I abhor violence and war. I always have. Yes, there are
things worth fighting for, but only as a last resort. If it came to a
direct military attack by Muslim nations against the West, I would say
that the West had every right to respond in kind. The Muslim nations
might be populous, but they are militarily weak. Millions would
probably
die, including many innocents.
Allah akabar. If things come down to that, better it be at the first
'roadblock' rather than a last ditch effort.
I'm not asking anyone to give up any right. I would just wish that
those
newspapers which republished the cartoons would have used a little
judgment. Would it have hurt if they had waited a few weeks, until
things died down, to republish? I don't think so.
Waiting a few weeks would have hurt. It would have demonstrated that
tantrums were an effective method. These people are, effectively, in
their "terrible two's."
I think we disagree on this, but all I'm calling for is a little calm.
The muslims aren't listening.
Judging by events in Iraq today, they don't need Westerners to get them
riled up. they are perfectly capable of doing the job themselves.
That's what I've been trying to point out.
Yes, but this is Muslim against Muslim. It's nothing new. They've been
killing off each other for over 1300 years. Almost as long as
Christinsanity.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
|
|
|
| User: "stoney" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
24 Feb 2006 09:17:26 AM |
|
|
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:02:34 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <69jrv15vlj9171ksh5n2lo3bj80fts2e75@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:52:44 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <e20pv1196qabco3ghm9l1agut1u86kqiqr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:17:33 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
[]
The muslims should have thought a little about what the
consequences
of
their further actions might be.
The crazies don't. Many wish to become 'martyrs'. I don't think
that I
would want to see a global race war start, with possibly millions
dead,
over a few cartoons.
Then get used to rolling on your back in submission.
Not quite. I abhor violence and war. I always have. Yes, there are
things worth fighting for, but only as a last resort. If it came to a
direct military attack by Muslim nations against the West, I would say
that the West had every right to respond in kind. The Muslim nations
might be populous, but they are militarily weak. Millions would
probably
die, including many innocents.
Allah akabar. If things come down to that, better it be at the first
'roadblock' rather than a last ditch effort.
I'm not asking anyone to give up any right. I would just wish that
those
newspapers which republished the cartoons would have used a little
judgment. Would it have hurt if they had waited a few weeks, until
things died down, to republish? I don't think so.
Waiting a few weeks would have hurt. It would have demonstrated that
tantrums were an effective method. These people are, effectively, in
their "terrible two's."
I think we disagree on this, but all I'm calling for is a little calm.
The muslims aren't listening.
Judging by events in Iraq today, they don't need Westerners to get them
riled up. they are perfectly capable of doing the job themselves.
That's what I've been trying to point out.
Yes, but this is Muslim against Muslim. It's nothing new. They've been
killing off each other for over 1300 years. Almost as long as
Christinsanity.
And killing others.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
23 Feb 2006 10:20:17 AM |
|
|
johac wrote:
In article <e20pv1196qabco3ghm9l1agut1u86kqiqr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:17:33 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <qn2kv1pnqd8k2flr2a2nalt0qtoi85qq3f@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:08:11 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <8v5hv15mkc2mt5sim6q5dotpth83ni7r4e@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
The muslims should have thought a little about what the consequences
of
their further actions might be.
The crazies don't. Many wish to become 'martyrs'. I don't think that I
would want to see a global race war start, with possibly millions
dead,
over a few cartoons.
Then get used to rolling on your back in submission.
Not quite. I abhor violence and war. I always have. Yes, there are
things worth fighting for, but only as a last resort. If it came to a
direct military attack by Muslim nations against the West, I would say
that the West had every right to respond in kind. The Muslim nations
might be populous, but they are militarily weak. Millions would probably
die, including many innocents.
Allah akabar. If things come down to that, better it be at the first
'roadblock' rather than a last ditch effort.
I'm not asking anyone to give up any right. I would just wish that those
newspapers which republished the cartoons would have used a little
judgment. Would it have hurt if they had waited a few weeks, until
things died down, to republish? I don't think so.
Waiting a few weeks would have hurt. It would have demonstrated that
tantrums were an effective method. These people are, effectively, in
their "terrible two's."
I think we disagree on this, but all I'm calling for is a little calm.
The muslims aren't listening.
Judging by events in Iraq today, they don't need Westerners to get them
riled up. they are perfectly capable of doing the job themselves.
Don't worry, we get blamed anyways.
See: http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,402628,00.html
/Quote/
On Thursday, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad jumped into the fray,
blaming the United States and Israel, whom he referred to as "defeated
Zionists and occupiers" for the attack on the Shiite shrine. "They
invade the shrine and bomb there because they oppose God and justice,"
the president said.
Ahmadinejad also pointed his comments to Washington: "You have to know
that such an act will not save you from the anger of Muslim nations."
/End Quote/
It stands to reason that this must be true, for the followers of the
most peaceful religion ever invented by man would never commit acts like
this, right?
j.m.
#1491
.
|
|
|
| User: "johac" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
23 Feb 2006 11:57:01 PM |
|
|
In article <4665mjF9jn26U1@individual.net>,
"j.m.1491@gmx.net" <j.m.1491@gmx.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <e20pv1196qabco3ghm9l1agut1u86kqiqr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:17:33 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <qn2kv1pnqd8k2flr2a2nalt0qtoi85qq3f@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:08:11 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <8v5hv15mkc2mt5sim6q5dotpth83ni7r4e@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
The muslims should have thought a little about what the consequences
of
their further actions might be.
The crazies don't. Many wish to become 'martyrs'. I don't think that
I
would want to see a global race war start, with possibly millions
dead,
over a few cartoons.
Then get used to rolling on your back in submission.
Not quite. I abhor violence and war. I always have. Yes, there are
things worth fighting for, but only as a last resort. If it came to a
direct military attack by Muslim nations against the West, I would say
that the West had every right to respond in kind. The Muslim nations
might be populous, but they are militarily weak. Millions would
probably
die, including many innocents.
Allah akabar. If things come down to that, better it be at the first
'roadblock' rather than a last ditch effort.
I'm not asking anyone to give up any right. I would just wish that
those
newspapers which republished the cartoons would have used a little
judgment. Would it have hurt if they had waited a few weeks, until
things died down, to republish? I don't think so.
Waiting a few weeks would have hurt. It would have demonstrated that
tantrums were an effective method. These people are, effectively, in
their "terrible two's."
I think we disagree on this, but all I'm calling for is a little calm.
The muslims aren't listening.
Judging by events in Iraq today, they don't need Westerners to get them
riled up. they are perfectly capable of doing the job themselves.
Don't worry, we get blamed anyways.
See: http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,402628,00.html
/Quote/
On Thursday, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad jumped into the fray,
blaming the United States and Israel, whom he referred to as "defeated
Zionists and occupiers" for the attack on the Shiite shrine. "They
invade the shrine and bomb there because they oppose God and justice,"
the president said.
Ahmadinejad also pointed his comments to Washington: "You have to know
that such an act will not save you from the anger of Muslim nations."
/End Quote/
It stands to reason that this must be true, for the followers of the
most peaceful religion ever invented by man would never commit acts like
this, right?
Truthfulness is not one of Ahmadinejad's strong points.
j.m.
#1491
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
|
|
|
| User: "stoney" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
24 Feb 2006 09:18:38 AM |
|
|
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:57:01 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <4665mjF9jn26U1@individual.net>,
"j.m.1491@gmx.net" <j.m.1491@gmx.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <e20pv1196qabco3ghm9l1agut1u86kqiqr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Judging by events in Iraq today, they don't need Westerners to get them
riled up. they are perfectly capable of doing the job themselves.
Don't worry, we get blamed anyways.
See: http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,402628,00.html
/Quote/
On Thursday, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad jumped into the fray,
blaming the United States and Israel, whom he referred to as "defeated
Zionists and occupiers" for the attack on the Shiite shrine. "They
invade the shrine and bomb there because they oppose God and justice,"
the president said.
Ahmadinejad also pointed his comments to Washington: "You have to know
that such an act will not save you from the anger of Muslim nations."
/End Quote/
It stands to reason that this must be true, for the followers of the
most peaceful religion ever invented by man would never commit acts like
this, right?
Truthfulness is not one of Ahmadinejad's strong points.
Nor is it ShrubCo's. They're both fucking nuts.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
.
|
|
|
| User: "johac" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
25 Feb 2006 01:44:07 AM |
|
|
In article <us8uv15pmdde0l8pk6dknuk1lj86mmk0cg@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:57:01 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <4665mjF9jn26U1@individual.net>,
"j.m.1491@gmx.net" <j.m.1491@gmx.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <e20pv1196qabco3ghm9l1agut1u86kqiqr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Judging by events in Iraq today, they don't need Westerners to get them
riled up. they are perfectly capable of doing the job themselves.
Don't worry, we get blamed anyways.
See: http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,402628,00.html
/Quote/
On Thursday, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad jumped into the fray,
blaming the United States and Israel, whom he referred to as "defeated
Zionists and occupiers" for the attack on the Shiite shrine. "They
invade the shrine and bomb there because they oppose God and justice,"
the president said.
Ahmadinejad also pointed his comments to Washington: "You have to know
that such an act will not save you from the anger of Muslim nations."
/End Quote/
It stands to reason that this must be true, for the followers of the
most peaceful religion ever invented by man would never commit acts like
this, right?
Truthfulness is not one of Ahmadinejad's strong points.
Nor is it ShrubCo's. They're both fucking nuts.
Maybe we could send them both to some deserted island and let them
settle it themselves and leave the rest of us alone.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
|
|
|
| User: "stoney" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
25 Feb 2006 08:32:53 AM |
|
|
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 23:44:07 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <us8uv15pmdde0l8pk6dknuk1lj86mmk0cg@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:57:01 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <4665mjF9jn26U1@individual.net>,
"j.m.1491@gmx.net" <j.m.1491@gmx.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <e20pv1196qabco3ghm9l1agut1u86kqiqr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Judging by events in Iraq today, they don't need Westerners to get them
riled up. they are perfectly capable of doing the job themselves.
Don't worry, we get blamed anyways.
See: http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,402628,00.html
/Quote/
On Thursday, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad jumped into the fray,
blaming the United States and Israel, whom he referred to as "defeated
Zionists and occupiers" for the attack on the Shiite shrine. "They
invade the shrine and bomb there because they oppose God and justice,"
the president said.
Ahmadinejad also pointed his comments to Washington: "You have to know
that such an act will not save you from the anger of Muslim nations."
/End Quote/
It stands to reason that this must be true, for the followers of the
most peaceful religion ever invented by man would never commit acts like
this, right?
Truthfulness is not one of Ahmadinejad's strong points.
Nor is it ShrubCo's. They're both fucking nuts.
Maybe we could send them both to some deserted island and let them
settle it themselves and leave the rest of us alone.
Send all the damned headcases.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
.
|
|
|
| User: "johac" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
26 Feb 2006 01:44:25 AM |
|
|
In article <6kq0029tvadke5r9cd7g3jh2ngbe7atuoa@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 23:44:07 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <us8uv15pmdde0l8pk6dknuk1lj86mmk0cg@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:57:01 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <4665mjF9jn26U1@individual.net>,
"j.m.1491@gmx.net" <j.m.1491@gmx.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <e20pv1196qabco3ghm9l1agut1u86kqiqr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
Judging by events in Iraq today, they don't need Westerners to get
them
riled up. they are perfectly capable of doing the job themselves.
Don't worry, we get blamed anyways.
See:
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,402628,00.html
/Quote/
On Thursday, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad jumped into the
fray,
blaming the United States and Israel, whom he referred to as "defeated
Zionists and occupiers" for the attack on the Shiite shrine. "They
invade the shrine and bomb there because they oppose God and justice,"
the president said.
Ahmadinejad also pointed his comments to Washington: "You have to know
that such an act will not save you from the anger of Muslim nations."
/End Quote/
It stands to reason that this must be true, for the followers of the
most peaceful religion ever invented by man would never commit acts
like
this, right?
Truthfulness is not one of Ahmadinejad's strong points.
Nor is it ShrubCo's. They're both fucking nuts.
Maybe we could send them both to some deserted island and let them
settle it themselves and leave the rest of us alone.
Send all the damned headcases.
Amen.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Fred Stone" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
24 Feb 2006 06:23:40 AM |
|
|
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-C0D03F.21570123022006@news.giganews.com:
In article <4665mjF9jn26U1@individual.net>,
"j.m.1491@gmx.net" <j.m.1491@gmx.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <e20pv1196qabco3ghm9l1agut1u86kqiqr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:17:33 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in alt.atheism
In article <qn2kv1pnqd8k2flr2a2nalt0qtoi85qq3f@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:08:11 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in alt.atheism
In article <8v5hv15mkc2mt5sim6q5dotpth83ni7r4e@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
The muslims should have thought a little about what the
consequences of
their further actions might be.
The crazies don't. Many wish to become 'martyrs'. I don't
think that I
would want to see a global race war start, with possibly
millions dead,
over a few cartoons.
Then get used to rolling on your back in submission.
Not quite. I abhor violence and war. I always have. Yes, there
are things worth fighting for, but only as a last resort. If it
came to a direct military attack by Muslim nations against the
West, I would say that the West had every right to respond in
kind. The Muslim nations might be populous, but they are
militarily weak. Millions would probably
die, including many innocents.
Allah akabar. If things come down to that, better it be at the
first 'roadblock' rather than a last ditch effort.
I'm not asking anyone to give up any right. I would just wish
that those
newspapers which republished the cartoons would have used a
little judgment. Would it have hurt if they had waited a few
weeks, until things died down, to republish? I don't think so.
Waiting a few weeks would have hurt. It would have demonstrated
that tantrums were an effective method. These people are,
effectively, in their "terrible two's."
I think we disagree on this, but all I'm calling for is a little
calm.
The muslims aren't listening.
Judging by events in Iraq today, they don't need Westerners to get
them riled up. they are perfectly capable of doing the job
themselves.
Don't worry, we get blamed anyways.
See:
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,402628,00.html
/Quote/
On Thursday, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad jumped into the
fray, blaming the United States and Israel, whom he referred to as
"defeated Zionists and occupiers" for the attack on the Shiite
shrine. "They invade the shrine and bomb there because they oppose
God and justice," the president said.
Ahmadinejad also pointed his comments to Washington: "You have to
know that such an act will not save you from the anger of Muslim
nations." /End Quote/
It stands to reason that this must be true, for the followers of the
most peaceful religion ever invented by man would never commit acts
like this, right?
Truthfulness is not one of Ahmadinejad's strong points.
We know that, but who is going to tell his people?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Considering 28 of the 31 Democrats have received Abramoff-affiliated
funds themselves, it appears their hypocrisy has exceeded even their
partisanship," - Tracey Schmitt, Republican National Committee.
*** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
*** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com ***
.
|
|
|
| User: "johac" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
25 Feb 2006 01:47:16 AM |
|
|
In article <Xns97744A8FC3AC3fstone69@66.150.105.47>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-C0D03F.21570123022006@news.giganews.com:
In article <4665mjF9jn26U1@individual.net>,
"j.m.1491@gmx.net" <j.m.1491@gmx.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <e20pv1196qabco3ghm9l1agut1u86kqiqr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:17:33 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in alt.atheism
In article <qn2kv1pnqd8k2flr2a2nalt0qtoi85qq3f@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:08:11 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in alt.atheism
In article <8v5hv15mkc2mt5sim6q5dotpth83ni7r4e@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
The muslims should have thought a little about what the
consequences of
their further actions might be.
The crazies don't. Many wish to become 'martyrs'. I don't
think that I
would want to see a global race war start, with possibly
millions dead,
over a few cartoons.
Then get used to rolling on your back in submission.
Not quite. I abhor violence and war. I always have. Yes, there
are things worth fighting for, but only as a last resort. If it
came to a direct military attack by Muslim nations against the
West, I would say that the West had every right to respond in
kind. The Muslim nations might be populous, but they are
militarily weak. Millions would probably
die, including many innocents.
Allah akabar. If things come down to that, better it be at the
first 'roadblock' rather than a last ditch effort.
I'm not asking anyone to give up any right. I would just wish
that those
newspapers which republished the cartoons would have used a
little judgment. Would it have hurt if they had waited a few
weeks, until things died down, to republish? I don't think so.
Waiting a few weeks would have hurt. It would have demonstrated
that tantrums were an effective method. These people are,
effectively, in their "terrible two's."
I think we disagree on this, but all I'm calling for is a little
calm.
The muslims aren't listening.
Judging by events in Iraq today, they don't need Westerners to get
them riled up. they are perfectly capable of doing the job
themselves.
Don't worry, we get blamed anyways.
See:
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,402628,00.html
/Quote/
On Thursday, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad jumped into the
fray, blaming the United States and Israel, whom he referred to as
"defeated Zionists and occupiers" for the attack on the Shiite
shrine. "They invade the shrine and bomb there because they oppose
God and justice," the president said.
Ahmadinejad also pointed his comments to Washington: "You have to
know that such an act will not save you from the anger of Muslim
nations." /End Quote/
It stands to reason that this must be true, for the followers of the
most peaceful religion ever invented by man would never commit acts
like this, right?
Truthfulness is not one of Ahmadinejad's strong points.
We know that, but who is going to tell his people?
The smart ones know, but in his theistic dictatorship, they lack freedom
of action at present.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
|
|
|
| User: "stoney" |
|
| Title: Re: Italian minister puts Mohammad cartoon on T-shirts |
25 Feb 2006 08:32:24 AM |
|
|
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 23:47:16 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
