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"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" |
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24 Oct 2003 03:59:31 PM |
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It's good to be white |
"A Tale of Two Soldiers
By Christine Phillip, BET.com Staff Writer
Posted October 24, 2003 -- Army Spec. Shoshana Johnson, the African
American women who was held prisoner of war in the U.S. invasion of
Iraq, was looking forward to a quiet discharge from the Army in a few
days.
Battle scarred and weary, she has said not a word as her fellow POW
comrade in arms Jessica Lynch cashes in with book and movie deals and
a celebrity status in the media.
But it is the Army that is forcing Johnson to break her peace.
A few days ago, military brass informed her that she would receive a
30 percent disability benefit for her injuries. Lynch, who is White,
was discharged in August and will receive an 80 percent disability
benefit.
The difference amounts to $600 or $700 a month in payments, and that
is causing Johnson and her family to speak out. The are so troubled
by what they see as a "double standard," that they have enlisted Rev.
Jesse Jackson to help make their case to the news media.
Jackson, who plans to plead Johnson's cause with the White House, the
Pentagon and members of Congress, says the payment smacks a double
standard and racism.
"Here's a case of two women, same [unit], same war; everything about
their service commitment and their risk is equal. . . . Yet there's
an enormous contrast between how the military has handled these two
cases," Jackson told The Washington Post.
Johnson's father, Claude Johnson, himself an Army veteran, says that
while neither he nor his family begrudge Lynch her celebrity or
disability payments, he believes that his daughter should get her
due, and it is more than a 30 percent disability benefit.
Johnson, 30, the mother of a 3-year-old daughter, was held captive
for 22 days, when her unit stumbled into an ambush in southern Iraq
last March. Eleven solders were killed, and six, including Lynch and
Johnson, were taken prisoners.
Johnson was shot in both legs and is still traumatized by her war
experience. In addition to walking with a limp, she suffers from
bouts of depression."
http://tinyurl.com/s977
--
"George W. Bush lives at the intersection of faith
and inexperience. This is not a reassuring address,
especially in a time of trouble."
--Joe Klein
Tim
"Fair and Balanced"
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26 Oct 2003 10:13:44 PM |
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"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net> wrote in message
news:Xns941E8EBE3EA4Ctimsomecallme@216.168.3.44...
"A Tale of Two Soldiers
By Christine Phillip, BET.com Staff Writer
Posted October 24, 2003 -- Army Spec. Shoshana Johnson, the African
American women who was held prisoner of war in the U.S. invasion of
Iraq, was looking forward to a quiet discharge from the Army in a few
days.
Battle scarred and weary, she has said not a word as her fellow POW
comrade in arms Jessica Lynch cashes in with book and movie deals and
a celebrity status in the media.
But it is the Army that is forcing Johnson to break her peace.
A few days ago, military brass informed her that she would receive a
30 percent disability benefit for her injuries. Lynch, who is White,
was discharged in August and will receive an 80 percent disability
benefit.
The difference amounts to $600 or $700 a month in payments, and that
is causing Johnson and her family to speak out. The are so troubled
by what they see as a "double standard," that they have enlisted Rev.
Jesse Jackson to help make their case to the news media.
Jackson, who plans to plead Johnson's cause with the White House, the
Pentagon and members of Congress, says the payment smacks a double
standard and racism.
"Here's a case of two women, same [unit], same war; everything about
their service commitment and their risk is equal. . . . Yet there's
an enormous contrast between how the military has handled these two
cases," Jackson told The Washington Post.
Johnson's father, Claude Johnson, himself an Army veteran, says that
while neither he nor his family begrudge Lynch her celebrity or
disability payments, he believes that his daughter should get her
due, and it is more than a 30 percent disability benefit.
Johnson, 30, the mother of a 3-year-old daughter, was held captive
for 22 days, when her unit stumbled into an ambush in southern Iraq
last March. Eleven solders were killed, and six, including Lynch and
Johnson, were taken prisoners.
Johnson was shot in both legs and is still traumatized by her war
experience. In addition to walking with a limp, she suffers from
bouts of depression."
Once again, this is someone bitching about something for which they have no
understanding.
Military disability is not in any way, shape or form related to service
commitment or risk. It is based on level of disability and "line of duty."
Period.
Some examples:
A friend of mine was hit by a car while riding a bicycle. He was not
intoxicated, he had the required safety gear and the driver of the car was
at fault in the accident. Given the fact that he was on active duty at the
time, and not breaking any military regulations, his "line of duty"
requirement was met. Based on his injuries, upon separating from the Air
Force, he was granted 10% disability. (This was for a broken back, 6 months
immobility, six months rehab).
Now, if that same guy had been captured by the enemy, spent 3 years in a
prison camp, escaped and received the same injuries while escaping... he
would get the same 10% disability.
If I were to slip on the ice while walking across the flightline and receive
the same injuries... I would get 10% disability.
If Johnson's disabilities are the same or worse then Lynch's, then she has a
case. She can try to get another medical review. Invoking Jesse Jackson is a
mistake, as he obviously doesn't understand what the hell he's talking about
(again).
--
__________
"blood-red canal birds particular traffic climb" - anonymous, oddly Zen-like
spammer
Michael Wolfe
aa #1912
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| User: "stoney" |
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26 Oct 2003 10:36:13 AM |
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:59:31 -0000, Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced
<tim@somecallme.net>, Message ID:
<Xns941E8EBE3EA4Ctimsomecallme@216.168.3.44> wrote in alt.atheism;
"A Tale of Two Soldiers
By Christine Phillip, BET.com Staff Writer
Posted October 24, 2003 -- Army Spec. Shoshana Johnson, the African
American women who was held prisoner of war in the U.S. invasion of
Iraq, was looking forward to a quiet discharge from the Army in a few
days.
Battle scarred and weary, she has said not a word as her fellow POW
comrade in arms Jessica Lynch cashes in with book and movie deals and
a celebrity status in the media.
But it is the Army that is forcing Johnson to break her peace.
A few days ago, military brass informed her that she would receive a
30 percent disability benefit for her injuries. Lynch, who is White,
was discharged in August and will receive an 80 percent disability
benefit.
The difference amounts to $600 or $700 a month in payments, and that
is causing Johnson and her family to speak out. The are so troubled
by what they see as a "double standard," that they have enlisted Rev.
Jesse Jackson to help make their case to the news media.
Jackson, who plans to plead Johnson's cause with the White House, the
Pentagon and members of Congress, says the payment smacks a double
standard and racism.
"Here's a case of two women, same [unit], same war; everything about
their service commitment and their risk is equal. . . .
Which is meaningless.
Yet there's
an enormous contrast between how the military has handled these two
cases," Jackson told The Washington Post.
It's based on the injuries and the amount of disability from them. The
narrative summary's adjective descriptor is key. If it indicates light
disability that would be the 30%. If the descriptor is a heavy impact
that boosts the percentage.
If she disagrees with the rating then she can indicate so and fight it
in court.
Johnson's father, Claude Johnson, himself an Army veteran, says that
while neither he nor his family begrudge Lynch her celebrity or
disability payments, he believes that his daughter should get her
due, and it is more than a 30 percent disability benefit.
Depends. Something to watch for is when after about 18 months she goes
back for re-evaluation. The percentage of disability can go up, stay
the same, or go down. Below 30% you're out of the military medical
system.
On the plus side is Johnson's disability pay is non-taxable.
She can also go through a V.A. (veteran's administration) evaluation
which often resusts in higher ratings.
Johnson, 30, the mother of a 3-year-old daughter, was held captive
for 22 days, when her unit stumbled into an ambush in southern Iraq
last March. Eleven solders were killed, and six, including Lynch and
Johnson, were taken prisoners.
Johnson was shot in both legs and is still traumatized by her war
experience. In addition to walking with a limp, she suffers from
bouts of depression."
http://tinyurl.com/s977
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Jim Alder" |
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24 Oct 2003 05:09:18 PM |
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Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced <tim@somecallme.net> wrote in
news:Xns941E8EBE3EA4Ctimsomecallme@216.168.3.44:
"A Tale of Two Soldiers
By Christine Phillip, BET.com Staff Writer
Posted October 24, 2003 -- Army Spec. Shoshana Johnson, the
African American woman...
A few days ago, military brass informed her that she would
receive a 30 percent disability benefit for her injuries.
Lynch, who is White, was discharged in August and will receive
an 80 percent disability benefit.
The difference amounts to $600 or $700 a month in payments,
and that is causing Johnson and her family to speak out. The
are so troubled by what they see as a "double standard," that
they have enlisted Rev. Jesse Jackson to help make their case
to the news media.
"Here's a case of two women, same [unit], same war; everything
about their service commitment and their risk is equal. . . .
Yet there's an enormous contrast between how the military has
handled these two cases," Jackson told The Washington Post.
Anyone else notice that Jesse Jackson didn't mention if her
INJURIES or her DISABILITY were "equal"?
Johnson was shot in both legs and is still traumatized by her
war experience. In addition to walking with a limp, she
suffers from bouts of depression."
http://tinyurl.com/s977
"George W. Bush lives at the intersection of faith
and inexperience. This is not a reassuring address,
especially in a time of trouble."
--Joe Klein
Anonymous author of Primary Colors, one of many Clinton
whitewashes.
--
"The number two cause of death among teenagers is guns. The
number one cause? NOT having a gun!" - Gregg Rogell (comic)
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| User: "stoney" |
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26 Oct 2003 10:40:45 AM |
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:09:18 -0000, Jim Alder <jimalder@ssnet.com>,
Message ID: <Xns941EB8AF9FF44jimaldersssnetcom@216.168.3.44> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced <tim@somecallme.net> wrote in
news:Xns941E8EBE3EA4Ctimsomecallme@216.168.3.44:
"A Tale of Two Soldiers
By Christine Phillip, BET.com Staff Writer
Posted October 24, 2003 -- Army Spec. Shoshana Johnson, the
African American woman...
A few days ago, military brass informed her that she would
receive a 30 percent disability benefit for her injuries.
Lynch, who is White, was discharged in August and will receive
an 80 percent disability benefit.
The difference amounts to $600 or $700 a month in payments,
and that is causing Johnson and her family to speak out. The
are so troubled by what they see as a "double standard," that
they have enlisted Rev. Jesse Jackson to help make their case
to the news media.
"Here's a case of two women, same [unit], same war; everything
about their service commitment and their risk is equal. . . .
Yet there's an enormous contrast between how the military has
handled these two cases," Jackson told The Washington Post.
Anyone else notice that Jesse Jackson didn't mention if her
INJURIES or her DISABILITY were "equal"?
Immediately. The criteria for disability rating doesn't have a box for
skin colour.
(snip)
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Jim Alder" |
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26 Oct 2003 05:18:31 PM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:s5unpv0at37453s4o6mm8dlv74fm39m9ct@4ax.com:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:09:18 -0000, Jim Alder
<jimalder@ssnet.com>, Message ID:
"Here's a case of two women, same [unit], same war;
everything about their service commitment and their risk is
equal. . . . Yet there's an enormous contrast between how
the military has handled these two cases," Jackson told The
Washington Post.
Anyone else notice that Jesse Jackson didn't mention if her
INJURIES or her DISABILITY were "equal"?
Immediately. The criteria for disability rating doesn't have
a box for skin colour.
If Jesse Jackson ever has his way, there will be.
--
"The number two cause of death among teenagers is guns. The
number one cause? NOT having a gun!" - Gregg Rogell (comic)
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| User: "stoney" |
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27 Oct 2003 06:17:52 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:18:31 -0000, Jim Alder <jimalder@ssnet.com>,
Message ID: <Xns9420BA3C7CF54jimaldersssnetcom@216.168.3.44> wrote in
alt.atheism;
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:s5unpv0at37453s4o6mm8dlv74fm39m9ct@4ax.com:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:09:18 -0000, Jim Alder
<jimalder@ssnet.com>, Message ID:
"Here's a case of two women, same [unit], same war;
everything about their service commitment and their risk is
equal. . . . Yet there's an enormous contrast between how
the military has handled these two cases," Jackson told The
Washington Post.
Anyone else notice that Jesse Jackson didn't mention if her
INJURIES or her DISABILITY were "equal"?
Immediately. The criteria for disability rating doesn't have
a box for skin colour.
If Jesse Jackson ever has his way, there will be.
Jackson's a dishonest git, imo.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Terry Austin" |
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24 Oct 2003 04:35:55 PM |
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Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced <tim@somecallme.net> wrote in
news:Xns941E8EBE3EA4Ctimsomecallme@216.168.3.44:
"A Tale of Two Soldiers
By Christine Phillip, BET.com Staff Writer
Not a single word about the levels of permanent injury the two have
suffered, but lots of hysterical jibbering about race.
Says all I need to know.
If they had a case, they'd make it.
--
Terry Austin
taustin@hyperbooks.com
I love children. They taste like chicken.
http://www.cafeshops.com/hyperbooks
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| User: "stoney" |
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26 Oct 2003 10:39:15 AM |
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:35:55 -0000, Terry Austin
<taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com>, Message ID:
<Xns941E9481EBA28taustinhyperbookscom@216.168.3.50> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced <tim@somecallme.net> wrote in
news:Xns941E8EBE3EA4Ctimsomecallme@216.168.3.44:
"A Tale of Two Soldiers
By Christine Phillip, BET.com Staff Writer
Not a single word about the levels of permanent injury the two have
suffered, but lots of hysterical jibbering about race.
Says all I need to know.
If they had a case, they'd make it.
Agreed.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Bill Bonde the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack" |
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24 Oct 2003 04:18:54 PM |
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Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced wrote:
"A Tale of Two Soldiers
By Christine Phillip, BET.com Staff Writer
Posted October 24, 2003 -- Army Spec. Shoshana Johnson, the African
American women who was held prisoner of war in the U.S. invasion of
Iraq, was looking forward to a quiet discharge from the Army in a few
days.
Battle scarred and weary, she has said not a word as her fellow POW
comrade in arms Jessica Lynch cashes in with book and movie deals and
a celebrity status in the media.
But it is the Army that is forcing Johnson to break her peace.
A few days ago, military brass informed her that she would receive a
30 percent disability benefit for her injuries. Lynch, who is White,
was discharged in August and will receive an 80 percent disability
benefit.
Were Johnson and Lynch equally disabled by their service? Certainly
Lynch was confined to hospital longer. Instead of always assuming
everything is based on race, wouldn't it be better to get some actual
facts?
The difference amounts to $600 or $700 a month in payments, and that
is causing Johnson and her family to speak out. The are so troubled
by what they see as a "double standard," that they have enlisted Rev.
Jesse Jackson to help make their case to the news media.
Jackson, who plans to plead Johnson's cause with the White House, the
Pentagon and members of Congress, says the payment smacks a double
standard and racism.
"Here's a case of two women, same [unit], same war; everything about
their service commitment and their risk is equal. . . .
Right. But would you say that someone who losses his legs should get the
same benefit as someone who had no long term damage? It isn't the risk
you are taking that defines the disability payments, but rather what
actually happens to you and the long term effects.
Yet there's
an enormous contrast between how the military has handled these two
cases," Jackson told The Washington Post.
Johnson's father, Claude Johnson, himself an Army veteran, says that
while neither he nor his family begrudge Lynch her celebrity
They just want more money. Of course the *only* difference between the
two ladies is that one is black and the other white, right? Lynch
couldn't possibly be more attractive, have a more compelling story,
etc.? Aren't there plenty of white guys who also survived and aren't
getting the sort of celebrity afforded to Lynch?
or
disability payments, he believes that his daughter should get her
due, and it is more than a 30 percent disability benefit.
Isn't that something that should be figured based objectively on the
facts?
Johnson, 30, the mother of a 3-year-old daughter, was held captive
for 22 days, when her unit stumbled into an ambush in southern Iraq
last March. Eleven solders were killed, and six, including Lynch and
Johnson, were taken prisoners.
Johnson was shot in both legs and is still traumatized by her war
experience. In addition to walking with a limp, she suffers from
bouts of depression."
How bad is this limp and is it permanent? Certainly these things are
considered when deciding what sort of benefit to pay.
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| User: "Jim Alder" |
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24 Oct 2003 05:19:17 PM |
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"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack
)" <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in
news:3F99973E.732C46B8@backpacker.com:
Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced wrote:
"A Tale of Two Soldiers
By Christine Phillip, BET.com Staff Writer
Posted October 24, 2003 -- Army Spec. Shoshana Johnson, the
African American women who was held prisoner of war in the
U.S. invasion of Iraq, was looking forward to a quiet
discharge from the Army in a few days.
Battle scarred and weary, she has said not a word as her
fellow POW comrade in arms Jessica Lynch cashes in with book
and movie deals and a celebrity status in the media.
But it is the Army that is forcing Johnson to break her
peace.
A few days ago, military brass informed her that she would
receive a 30 percent disability benefit for her injuries.
Lynch, who is White, was discharged in August and will
receive an 80 percent disability benefit.
Were Johnson and Lynch equally disabled by their service?
Certainly Lynch was confined to hospital longer. Instead of
always assuming everything is based on race, wouldn't it be
better to get some actual facts?
Better? Sure! More beneficial to Jackson and his racist agenda?
Hell, no!
The difference amounts to $600 or $700 a month in payments,
and that is causing Johnson and her family to speak out. The
are so troubled by what they see as a "double standard," that
they have enlisted Rev. Jesse Jackson to help make their case
to the news media.
Jackson, who plans to plead Johnson's cause with the White
House, the Pentagon and members of Congress, says the payment
smacks a double standard and racism.
"Here's a case of two women, same [unit], same war;
everything about their service commitment and their risk is
equal. . . .
Right. But would you say that someone who losses his legs
should get the same benefit as someone who had no long term
damage?
Well, that depends! Which one is black?
It isn't the risk you are taking that defines the
disability payments, but rather what actually happens to you
and the long term effects.
And what color your skin is, don't forget!
Yet there's
an enormous contrast between how the military has handled
these two cases," Jackson told The Washington Post.
Johnson's father, Claude Johnson, himself an Army veteran,
says that while neither he nor his family begrudge Lynch her
celebrity
They just want more money.
[GASP!]
--
"The number two cause of death among teenagers is guns. The
number one cause? NOT having a gun!" - Gregg Rogell (comic)
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| User: "Dr. DuFonet" |
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24 Oct 2003 08:09:35 PM |
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"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
<stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message
news:3F99973E.732C46B8@backpacker.com...
Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced wrote:
"A Tale of Two Soldiers
By Christine Phillip, BET.com Staff Writer
Posted October 24, 2003 -- Army Spec. Shoshana Johnson, the African
American women who was held prisoner of war in the U.S. invasion of
Iraq, was looking forward to a quiet discharge from the Army in a few
days.
Battle scarred and weary, she has said not a word as her fellow POW
comrade in arms Jessica Lynch cashes in with book and movie deals and
a celebrity status in the media.
But it is the Army that is forcing Johnson to break her peace.
A few days ago, military brass informed her that she would receive a
30 percent disability benefit for her injuries. Lynch, who is White,
was discharged in August and will receive an 80 percent disability
benefit.
Were Johnson and Lynch equally disabled by their service? Certainly
Lynch was confined to hospital longer. Instead of always assuming
everything is based on race, wouldn't it be better to get some actual
facts?
The difference amounts to $600 or $700 a month in payments, and that
is causing Johnson and her family to speak out. The are so troubled
by what they see as a "double standard," that they have enlisted Rev.
Jesse Jackson to help make their case to the news media.
Jackson, who plans to plead Johnson's cause with the White House, the
Pentagon and members of Congress, says the payment smacks a double
standard and racism.
"Here's a case of two women, same [unit], same war; everything about
their service commitment and their risk is equal. . . .
Right. But would you say that someone who losses his legs should get the
same benefit as someone who had no long term damage? It isn't the risk
you are taking that defines the disability payments, but rather what
actually happens to you and the long term effects.
Yet there's
an enormous contrast between how the military has handled these two
cases," Jackson told The Washington Post.
Johnson's father, Claude Johnson, himself an Army veteran, says that
while neither he nor his family begrudge Lynch her celebrity
They just want more money. Of course the *only* difference between the
two ladies is that one is black and the other white, right? Lynch
couldn't possibly be more attractive, have a more compelling story,
etc.? Aren't there plenty of white guys who also survived and aren't
getting the sort of celebrity afforded to Lynch?
or
disability payments, he believes that his daughter should get her
due, and it is more than a 30 percent disability benefit.
Isn't that something that should be figured based objectively on the
facts?
Johnson, 30, the mother of a 3-year-old daughter, was held captive
for 22 days, when her unit stumbled into an ambush in southern Iraq
last March. Eleven solders were killed, and six, including Lynch and
Johnson, were taken prisoners.
Johnson was shot in both legs and is still traumatized by her war
experience. In addition to walking with a limp, she suffers from
bouts of depression."
How bad is this limp and is it permanent? Certainly these things are
considered when deciding what sort of benefit to pay.
Black women are blessed with more strength hence less disability? Or are
they based on actually different disability levels?
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| User: "Bill Bonde the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack" |
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24 Oct 2003 10:43:00 PM |
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"Dr. DuFonet" wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
<stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message
news:3F99973E.732C46B8@backpacker.com...
Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced wrote:
"A Tale of Two Soldiers
By Christine Phillip, BET.com Staff Writer
Posted October 24, 2003 -- Army Spec. Shoshana Johnson, the African
American women who was held prisoner of war in the U.S. invasion of
Iraq, was looking forward to a quiet discharge from the Army in a few
days.
Battle scarred and weary, she has said not a word as her fellow POW
comrade in arms Jessica Lynch cashes in with book and movie deals and
a celebrity status in the media.
But it is the Army that is forcing Johnson to break her peace.
A few days ago, military brass informed her that she would receive a
30 percent disability benefit for her injuries. Lynch, who is White,
was discharged in August and will receive an 80 percent disability
benefit.
Were Johnson and Lynch equally disabled by their service? Certainly
Lynch was confined to hospital longer. Instead of always assuming
everything is based on race, wouldn't it be better to get some actual
facts?
The difference amounts to $600 or $700 a month in payments, and that
is causing Johnson and her family to speak out. The are so troubled
by what they see as a "double standard," that they have enlisted Rev.
Jesse Jackson to help make their case to the news media.
Jackson, who plans to plead Johnson's cause with the White House, the
Pentagon and members of Congress, says the payment smacks a double
standard and racism.
"Here's a case of two women, same [unit], same war; everything about
their service commitment and their risk is equal. . . .
Right. But would you say that someone who losses his legs should get the
same benefit as someone who had no long term damage? It isn't the risk
you are taking that defines the disability payments, but rather what
actually happens to you and the long term effects.
Yet there's
an enormous contrast between how the military has handled these two
cases," Jackson told The Washington Post.
Johnson's father, Claude Johnson, himself an Army veteran, says that
while neither he nor his family begrudge Lynch her celebrity
They just want more money. Of course the *only* difference between the
two ladies is that one is black and the other white, right? Lynch
couldn't possibly be more attractive, have a more compelling story,
etc.? Aren't there plenty of white guys who also survived and aren't
getting the sort of celebrity afforded to Lynch?
or
disability payments, he believes that his daughter should get her
due, and it is more than a 30 percent disability benefit.
Isn't that something that should be figured based objectively on the
facts?
Johnson, 30, the mother of a 3-year-old daughter, was held captive
for 22 days, when her unit stumbled into an ambush in southern Iraq
last March. Eleven solders were killed, and six, including Lynch and
Johnson, were taken prisoners.
Johnson was shot in both legs and is still traumatized by her war
experience. In addition to walking with a limp, she suffers from
bouts of depression."
How bad is this limp and is it permanent? Certainly these things are
considered when deciding what sort of benefit to pay.
Black women are blessed with more strength hence less disability? Or are
they based on actually different disability levels?
I'm not sure what you are asking. Was Johnson physically stronger than
Lynch? I think that is highly likely. How is this relevant to her
percentage disablity?
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28 Oct 2003 09:20:46 AM |
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"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
<stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message
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"Dr. DuFonet" wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
<stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message
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Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced wrote:
"A Tale of Two Soldiers
By Christine Phillip, BET.com Staff Writer
Posted October 24, 2003 -- Army Spec. Shoshana Johnson, the African
American women who was held prisoner of war in the U.S. invasion of
Iraq, was looking forward to a quiet discharge from the Army in a
few
days.
<snipped>
Black women are blessed with more strength hence less disability? Or are
they based on actually different disability levels?
I'm not sure what you are asking. Was Johnson physically stronger than
Lynch? I think that is highly likely. How is this relevant to her
percentage disablity?
That's what I want to know.
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| User: "Terry Austin" |
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24 Oct 2003 04:37:14 PM |
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"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
<stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in news:3F99973E.732C46B8@backpacker.com:
Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced wrote:
"A Tale of Two Soldiers
By Christine Phillip, BET.com Staff Writer
Posted October 24, 2003 -- Army Spec. Shoshana Johnson, the African
American women who was held prisoner of war in the U.S. invasion of
Iraq, was looking forward to a quiet discharge from the Army in a few
days.
Battle scarred and weary, she has said not a word as her fellow POW
comrade in arms Jessica Lynch cashes in with book and movie deals and
a celebrity status in the media.
But it is the Army that is forcing Johnson to break her peace.
A few days ago, military brass informed her that she would receive a
30 percent disability benefit for her injuries. Lynch, who is White,
was discharged in August and will receive an 80 percent disability
benefit.
Were Johnson and Lynch equally disabled by their service? Certainly
Lynch was confined to hospital longer. Instead of always assuming
everything is based on race, wouldn't it be better to get some actual
facts?
They have the facts. And choose not to publish them while crying about
racism and begging for money.
--
Terry Austin
taustin@hyperbooks.com
I love children. They taste like chicken.
http://www.cafeshops.com/hyperbooks
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| User: "stoney" |
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26 Oct 2003 10:38:01 AM |
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:37:14 -0000, Terry Austin
<taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com>, Message ID:
<Xns941E94BAF73D9taustinhyperbookscom@216.168.3.50> wrote in
alt.atheism;
"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
<stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in news:3F99973E.732C46B8@backpacker.com:
Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced wrote:
"A Tale of Two Soldiers
By Christine Phillip, BET.com Staff Writer
Posted October 24, 2003 -- Army Spec. Shoshana Johnson, the African
American women who was held prisoner of war in the U.S. invasion of
Iraq, was looking forward to a quiet discharge from the Army in a few
days.
Battle scarred and weary, she has said not a word as her fellow POW
comrade in arms Jessica Lynch cashes in with book and movie deals and
a celebrity status in the media.
But it is the Army that is forcing Johnson to break her peace.
A few days ago, military brass informed her that she would receive a
30 percent disability benefit for her injuries. Lynch, who is White,
was discharged in August and will receive an 80 percent disability
benefit.
Were Johnson and Lynch equally disabled by their service? Certainly
Lynch was confined to hospital longer. Instead of always assuming
everything is based on race, wouldn't it be better to get some actual
facts?
They have the facts. And choose not to publish them while crying about
racism and begging for money.
Such, then is looking for special treatment over injuries and results of
injuries that don't warrant a higher rating.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "John Dough" |
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26 Oct 2003 10:40:48 PM |
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"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message news:<3F99973E.732C46B8@backpacker.com>...
Were Johnson and Lynch equally disabled by their service? Certainly
Lynch was confined to hospital longer. Instead of always assuming
everything is based on race, wouldn't it be better to get some actual
facts?
Yes, it appears that they were. Both have difficulty walking without
a cane (Johnson) or crutches (Lynch).
Right. But would you say that someone who losses his legs should get the
same benefit as someone who had no long term damage? It isn't the risk
you are taking that defines the disability payments, but rather what
actually happens to you and the long term effects.
How does this have anything to do with someone losing their legs?
They just want more money. Of course the *only* difference between the
two ladies is that one is black and the other white, right? Lynch
couldn't possibly be more attractive, have a more compelling story,
etc.? Aren't there plenty of white guys who also survived and aren't
getting the sort of celebrity afforded to Lynch?
Perhaps you missed the part of the story that says Johnson is the
mother of a 3-year-old child. Lynch is not. So, there ya go.
How bad is this limp and is it permanent? Certainly these things are
considered when deciding what sort of benefit to pay.
Now you're reaching.
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| User: "Wolf333" |
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| Title: Re: It's good to be white |
26 Oct 2003 11:56:35 PM |
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"John Dough" <johnskeller@excite.com> wrote in message
news:22ffa9ae.0310262040.1a43019f@posting.google.com...
"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
<stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message
news:<3F99973E.732C46B8@backpacker.com>...
Were Johnson and Lynch equally disabled by their service? Certainly
Lynch was confined to hospital longer. Instead of always assuming
everything is based on race, wouldn't it be better to get some actual
facts?
Yes, it appears that they were. Both have difficulty walking without
a cane (Johnson) or crutches (Lynch).
Right. But would you say that someone who losses his legs should get the
same benefit as someone who had no long term damage? It isn't the risk
you are taking that defines the disability payments, but rather what
actually happens to you and the long term effects.
How does this have anything to do with someone losing their legs?
They just want more money. Of course the *only* difference between the
two ladies is that one is black and the other white, right? Lynch
couldn't possibly be more attractive, have a more compelling story,
etc.? Aren't there plenty of white guys who also survived and aren't
getting the sort of celebrity afforded to Lynch?
Perhaps you missed the part of the story that says Johnson is the
mother of a 3-year-old child. Lynch is not. So, there ya go.
Though it pains me to be seen to even remotely agree with bill bonde... the
child has nothing to do with it. Military disability pay has nothing to do
with how many dependents you may have, nor should it. A single person, with
the same job, has the same personal risk as one who is married with
children.
How bad is this limp and is it permanent? Certainly these things are
considered when deciding what sort of benefit to pay.
Now you're reaching.
No. He isn't. That is EXACTLY what is considered .
--
__________
"blood-red canal birds particular traffic climb" - anonymous, oddly Zen-like
spammer
Michael Wolfe
aa #1912
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| User: "George Washington" |
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| Title: Re: It's good to be white |
24 Oct 2003 06:42:38 PM |
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Hey Bondo....how come you skipped right over this in another discussion and
refused to address your folly?
Bondo:
Don't lie. It took ten seconds on google to find it and it is in this
thread. It reaches the limit with someone calling me a liar and calling
himself George Washington. Geez.
George Washington:
First, I didn't call you a liar (however, now that you mention
it................................nah, forget it)
Second, which post had the link? A little education (and realitym, thanks
to the wonders of modern PC software)....
There are 123 messages in this discussion. You posted 16 of them. In those
16, you mentioned "poll" for the FIRST time in the message that I first
responded to, "Actually, polls in Baghdad say that a majority of the
residents of Baghdad want the US to stay.", which was posted on Monday.
Never did you post anything about the details of the poll, where it came
from, or even that it was a Gallop Poll until today, and not until THIS post
did you actually reveal the link. And you call ME a liar?
"It reaches the limit with someone calling me a liar" and pretending to have
said something he didn't. Good day.
Afraid to face the reality of being wrong again and falsely calling one a
liar?
Now, where was that link/poll source you were babbling about?
"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
<stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message
news:3F99973E.732C46B8@backpacker.com...
Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced wrote:
"A Tale of Two Soldiers
By Christine Phillip, BET.com Staff Writer
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| User: "Bill Bonde the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack" |
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24 Oct 2003 07:51:17 PM |
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George Washington wrote:
Hey Bondo....how come you skipped right over this in another discussion and
refused to address your folly?
I thought I'd let you escape after I proved that the poll existed and
was posted.
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| User: "George Washington" |
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24 Oct 2003 11:18:13 PM |
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"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
<stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message
news:3F99C905.4C8284F7@backpacker.com...
George Washington wrote:
Hey Bondo....how come you skipped right over this in another discussion
and
refused to address your folly?
I thought I'd let you escape after I proved that the poll existed and
was posted.
But here's your lie exposed one more time, Bondo....
Regarding the so-called poll and the link to it,
Bondo:
Don't lie. It took ten seconds on google to find it and it is in this
thread. It reaches the limit with someone calling me a liar and calling
himself George Washington. Geez.
George Washington:
First, I didn't call you a liar (however, now that you mention
it................................nah, forget it)
Second, which post had the link? A little education (and realitym, thanks
to the wonders of modern PC software)....
There are 123 messages in this discussion. You posted 16 of them. In those
16, you mentioned "poll" for the FIRST time in the message that I first
responded to, "Actually, polls in Baghdad say that a majority of the
residents of Baghdad want the US to stay.", which was posted on Monday.
Never did you post anything about the details of the poll, where it came
from, or even that it was a Gallop Poll until today, and not until THIS post
did you actually reveal the link. And you call ME a liar?
"It reaches the limit with someone calling me a liar" and pretending to have
said something he didn't. Good day.
Afraid to face the reality of being wrong again and falsely calling one a
liar?
Keep ducking, coward.
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| User: "George Washington" |
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| Title: Re: It's good to be white |
24 Oct 2003 11:16:26 PM |
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"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
<stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message
news:3F99C905.4C8284F7@backpacker.com...
George Washington wrote:
Hey Bondo....how come you skipped right over this in another discussion
and
refused to address your folly?
I thought I'd let you escape after I proved that the poll existed and
was posted.
But it doesn't and you didn't. So why did you say you posted it when you
never did? Huh?
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