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"Michelle Malkin" |
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09 Dec 2007 05:14:49 PM |
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It's Not Torture They're Covering Up, It's the Results |
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/7/183319/766
It's Not Torture They're Covering Up, It's the Results
by The Baculum King
Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 03:41:17 PM PST Daily Kos
The automatic assumption about the CIA's destruction of the interrogation
tapes of Abu Zubaydah is that the tapes exposed methods everyone would agree
amounted to torture, and they were destroyed to prevent that proof being
exposed. It's quite likely that what was being covered up was the results of
that torture.
Gerald Posner has a piece at HuffPo drawing from his 2003 book that is worth
a read:
Instead, when confronted by his "Saudi" interrogators, Zubaydah showed no
fear. Instead, according to the two U.S. intelligence sources that provided
me the details, he seemed relieved. The man who had been reluctant to even
confirm his identity to his U.S. captors, suddenly talked animatedly. He was
happy to see them, he said, because he feared the Americans would kill him.
He then asked his interrogators to call a senior member of the Saudi royal
family. And Zubaydah provided a private home number and a cell phone number
from memory. "He will tell you what to do," Zubaydah assured them
a.. The Baculum King's diary :: ::
b..
He named two other Saudi princes, and also the chief of Pakistan's air
force, as his major contacts. Moreover, he stunned his interrogators, by
charging that two of the men, the King's nephew, and the Pakistani Air Force
chief, knew a major terror operation was planned for America on 9/11.
It would be nice to further investigate the men named by Zubaydah, but
that is not possible. All four identified by Zubaydah are now dead. As for
the three Saudi princes, the King's 43-year-old nephew, Prince Ahmed, died
of either a heart attack or blood clot, depending on which report you
believe, after having liposuction in Riyadh's top hospital; the second,
41-year-old Prince Sultan bin Faisal bin Turki al-Saud, died the following
day in a one car accident, on his way to the funeral of Prince Ahmed; and
one week later, the third Saudi prince named by Zubaydah, 25-year-old Prince
Fahd bin Turki bin Saud al-Kabir, died, according to the Saudi Royal Court,
"of thirst." The head of Pakistan's Air Force, Mushaf Ali Mir, was the last
to go. He died, together with his wife and fifteen of his top aides, when
his plane blew up -- suspected as sabotage -- in February 2003. Pakistan's
investigation of the explosion -- if one was even done -- has never been
made public.
It wasn't the fact that he was tortured that needed covering up, it was what
he said.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: It's Not Torture They're Covering Up, It's the Results |
10 Dec 2007 01:04:47 AM |
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In article <65udnRIcZpl768HanZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/7/183319/766
It's Not Torture They're Covering Up, It's the Results
by The Baculum King
Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 03:41:17 PM PST Daily Kos
The automatic assumption about the CIA's destruction of the interrogation
tapes of Abu Zubaydah is that the tapes exposed methods everyone would agree
amounted to torture, and they were destroyed to prevent that proof being
exposed. It's quite likely that what was being covered up was the results of
that torture.
I read that. It seems that Bush's friends in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan
were involved with some very bad people. No wonder they wanted to
destroy the tapes. I wonder how much else was destroyed?
I think it's time to impeach the whole damn administration.
--
John #1782
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: It's Not Torture They're Covering Up, It's the Results |
10 Dec 2007 02:15:45 AM |
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On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:04:47 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <65udnRIcZpl768HanZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/7/183319/766
It's Not Torture They're Covering Up, It's the Results
by The Baculum King
Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 03:41:17 PM PST Daily Kos
The automatic assumption about the CIA's destruction of the interrogation
tapes of Abu Zubaydah is that the tapes exposed methods everyone would agree
amounted to torture, and they were destroyed to prevent that proof being
exposed. It's quite likely that what was being covered up was the results of
that torture.
I read that. It seems that Bush's friends in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan
were involved with some very bad people. No wonder they wanted to
destroy the tapes. I wonder how much else was destroyed?
I think it's time to impeach the whole damn administration.
"Impeach"!?!?!?
Is not that going a little too unfar?
Nuremburg is too good for these self-serving piratical nation-rapists.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: It's Not Torture They're Covering Up, It's the Results |
10 Dec 2007 03:13:27 AM |
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:abtpl350noamft5snmi7nbalc8r7pvmgpg@4ax.com...
On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:04:47 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <65udnRIcZpl768HanZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/7/183319/766
It's Not Torture They're Covering Up, It's the Results
by The Baculum King
Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 03:41:17 PM PST Daily Kos
The automatic assumption about the CIA's destruction of the
interrogation
tapes of Abu Zubaydah is that the tapes exposed methods everyone would
agree
amounted to torture, and they were destroyed to prevent that proof being
exposed. It's quite likely that what was being covered up was the
results of
that torture.
I read that. It seems that Bush's friends in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan
were involved with some very bad people. No wonder they wanted to
destroy the tapes. I wonder how much else was destroyed?
I think it's time to impeach the whole damn administration.
"Impeach"!?!?!?
Is not that going a little too unfar?
Nuremburg is too good for these self-serving piratical nation-rapists.
I'm surprised that other Republicans haven't
arranged to off the bastards, after all the
damage they have done to the Party. Many
of them are already heading for the hills or
refusing their backing in elections.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: It's Not Torture They're Covering Up, It's the Results |
10 Dec 2007 11:49:23 PM |
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In article <YIydnUNbkauvnsDanZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:abtpl350noamft5snmi7nbalc8r7pvmgpg@4ax.com...
On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:04:47 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <65udnRIcZpl768HanZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/7/183319/766
It's Not Torture They're Covering Up, It's the Results
by The Baculum King
Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 03:41:17 PM PST Daily Kos
The automatic assumption about the CIA's destruction of the
interrogation
tapes of Abu Zubaydah is that the tapes exposed methods everyone would
agree
amounted to torture, and they were destroyed to prevent that proof being
exposed. It's quite likely that what was being covered up was the
results of
that torture.
I read that. It seems that Bush's friends in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan
were involved with some very bad people. No wonder they wanted to
destroy the tapes. I wonder how much else was destroyed?
I think it's time to impeach the whole damn administration.
"Impeach"!?!?!?
Is not that going a little too unfar?
Nuremburg is too good for these self-serving piratical nation-rapists.
I'm surprised that other Republicans haven't
arranged to off the bastards, after all the
damage they have done to the Party. Many
of them are already heading for the hills or
refusing their backing in elections.
People are already comparing 2008 to 1964, except that it will probably
be worse
--
John #1782
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: It's Not Torture They're Covering Up, It's the Results |
10 Dec 2007 11:46:23 PM |
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In article <abtpl350noamft5snmi7nbalc8r7pvmgpg@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:04:47 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <65udnRIcZpl768HanZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/7/183319/766
It's Not Torture They're Covering Up, It's the Results
by The Baculum King
Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 03:41:17 PM PST Daily Kos
The automatic assumption about the CIA's destruction of the interrogation
tapes of Abu Zubaydah is that the tapes exposed methods everyone would
agree
amounted to torture, and they were destroyed to prevent that proof being
exposed. It's quite likely that what was being covered up was the results
of
that torture.
I read that. It seems that Bush's friends in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan
were involved with some very bad people. No wonder they wanted to
destroy the tapes. I wonder how much else was destroyed?
I think it's time to impeach the whole damn administration.
"Impeach"!?!?!?
Is not that going a little too unfar?
Nuremburg is too good for these self-serving piratical nation-rapists.
They have to be impeached before they can be removed from office. Then I
say we 'render' them to one of their secret prisons for 'intensive
interrogation' after which we can ship them off to the Hague for their
war crimes trial.
--
John #1782
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: It's Not Torture They're Covering Up, It's the Results |
11 Dec 2007 01:36:11 AM |
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:46:23 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <abtpl350noamft5snmi7nbalc8r7pvmgpg@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:04:47 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <65udnRIcZpl768HanZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/7/183319/766
It's Not Torture They're Covering Up, It's the Results
by The Baculum King
Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 03:41:17 PM PST Daily Kos
The automatic assumption about the CIA's destruction of the interrogation
tapes of Abu Zubaydah is that the tapes exposed methods everyone would
agree
amounted to torture, and they were destroyed to prevent that proof being
exposed. It's quite likely that what was being covered up was the results
of
that torture.
I read that. It seems that Bush's friends in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan
were involved with some very bad people. No wonder they wanted to
destroy the tapes. I wonder how much else was destroyed?
I think it's time to impeach the whole damn administration.
"Impeach"!?!?!?
Is not that going a little too unfar?
Nuremburg is too good for these self-serving piratical nation-rapists.
They have to be impeached before they can be removed from office. Then I
say we 'render' them to one of their secret prisons for 'intensive
interrogation' after which we can ship them off to the Hague for their
war crimes trial.
Excellent plan, Él Presidenté Hachmann!
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: It's Not Torture They're Covering Up, It's the Results |
11 Dec 2007 11:21:45 PM |
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In article <8dfsl39vsq5nuqv1lcpri8n3too2htg6o4@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:46:23 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <abtpl350noamft5snmi7nbalc8r7pvmgpg@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:04:47 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <65udnRIcZpl768HanZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/7/183319/766
It's Not Torture They're Covering Up, It's the Results
by The Baculum King
Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 03:41:17 PM PST Daily Kos
The automatic assumption about the CIA's destruction of the
interrogation
tapes of Abu Zubaydah is that the tapes exposed methods everyone would
agree
amounted to torture, and they were destroyed to prevent that proof
being
exposed. It's quite likely that what was being covered up was the
results
of
that torture.
I read that. It seems that Bush's friends in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan
were involved with some very bad people. No wonder they wanted to
destroy the tapes. I wonder how much else was destroyed?
I think it's time to impeach the whole damn administration.
"Impeach"!?!?!?
Is not that going a little too unfar?
Nuremburg is too good for these self-serving piratical nation-rapists.
They have to be impeached before they can be removed from office. Then I
say we 'render' them to one of their secret prisons for 'intensive
interrogation' after which we can ship them off to the Hague for their
war crimes trial.
Excellent plan, Él Presidenté Hachmann!
Si Miguel. Then we start zee Revolution.
--
John #1782
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: It's Not Torture They're Covering Up, It's the Results |
12 Dec 2007 01:48:59 AM |
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:21:45 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <8dfsl39vsq5nuqv1lcpri8n3too2htg6o4@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:46:23 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <abtpl350noamft5snmi7nbalc8r7pvmgpg@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:04:47 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <65udnRIcZpl768HanZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/7/183319/766
It's Not Torture They're Covering Up, It's the Results
by The Baculum King
Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 03:41:17 PM PST Daily Kos
The automatic assumption about the CIA's destruction of the
interrogation
tapes of Abu Zubaydah is that the tapes exposed methods everyone would
agree
amounted to torture, and they were destroyed to prevent that proof
being
exposed. It's quite likely that what was being covered up was the
results
of
that torture.
I read that. It seems that Bush's friends in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan
were involved with some very bad people. No wonder they wanted to
destroy the tapes. I wonder how much else was destroyed?
I think it's time to impeach the whole damn administration.
"Impeach"!?!?!?
Is not that going a little too unfar?
Nuremburg is too good for these self-serving piratical nation-rapists.
They have to be impeached before they can be removed from office. Then I
say we 'render' them to one of their secret prisons for 'intensive
interrogation' after which we can ship them off to the Hague for their
war crimes trial.
Excellent plan, Él Presidenté Hachmann!
Si Miguel. Then we start zee Revolution.
I vote for 33 & 1/3 RPM.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: It's Not Torture They're Covering Up, It's the Results |
12 Dec 2007 11:31:19 PM |
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In article <ri4vl3hmlroq72kgmr3qr7tt7i4qi527v3@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:21:45 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <8dfsl39vsq5nuqv1lcpri8n3too2htg6o4@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:46:23 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <abtpl350noamft5snmi7nbalc8r7pvmgpg@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:04:47 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <65udnRIcZpl768HanZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/7/183319/766
It's Not Torture They're Covering Up, It's the Results
by The Baculum King
Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 03:41:17 PM PST Daily Kos
The automatic assumption about the CIA's destruction of the
interrogation
tapes of Abu Zubaydah is that the tapes exposed methods everyone
would
agree
amounted to torture, and they were destroyed to prevent that proof
being
exposed. It's quite likely that what was being covered up was the
results
of
that torture.
I read that. It seems that Bush's friends in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan
were involved with some very bad people. No wonder they wanted to
destroy the tapes. I wonder how much else was destroyed?
I think it's time to impeach the whole damn administration.
"Impeach"!?!?!?
Is not that going a little too unfar?
Nuremburg is too good for these self-serving piratical nation-rapists.
They have to be impeached before they can be removed from office. Then I
say we 'render' them to one of their secret prisons for 'intensive
interrogation' after which we can ship them off to the Hague for their
war crimes trial.
Excellent plan, Él Presidenté Hachmann!
Si Miguel. Then we start zee Revolution.
I vote for 33 & 1/3 RPM.
We should proceed faster. 78 rpm.
--
John #1782
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: It's Not Torture They're Covering Up, It's the Results |
13 Dec 2007 04:04:26 AM |
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:31:19 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <ri4vl3hmlroq72kgmr3qr7tt7i4qi527v3@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:21:45 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <8dfsl39vsq5nuqv1lcpri8n3too2htg6o4@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:46:23 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <abtpl350noamft5snmi7nbalc8r7pvmgpg@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:04:47 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <65udnRIcZpl768HanZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/7/183319/766
It's Not Torture They're Covering Up, It's the Results
by The Baculum King
Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 03:41:17 PM PST Daily Kos
The automatic assumption about the CIA's destruction of the
interrogation
tapes of Abu Zubaydah is that the tapes exposed methods everyone
would
agree
amounted to torture, and they were destroyed to prevent that proof
being
exposed. It's quite likely that what was being covered up was the
results
of
that torture.
I read that. It seems that Bush's friends in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan
were involved with some very bad people. No wonder they wanted to
destroy the tapes. I wonder how much else was destroyed?
I think it's time to impeach the whole damn administration.
"Impeach"!?!?!?
Is not that going a little too unfar?
Nuremburg is too good for these self-serving piratical nation-rapists.
They have to be impeached before they can be removed from office. Then I
say we 'render' them to one of their secret prisons for 'intensive
interrogation' after which we can ship them off to the Hague for their
war crimes trial.
Excellent plan, Él Presidenté Hachmann!
Si Miguel. Then we start zee Revolution.
I vote for 33 & 1/3 RPM.
We should proceed faster. 78 rpm.
Do you still stand by your record as Presidente?
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: It's Not Torture They're Covering Up, It's the Results |
13 Dec 2007 11:44:04 PM |
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In article <ls02m3hkp3cv1r7erg2i3ihe3v7s1kffnc@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:31:19 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <ri4vl3hmlroq72kgmr3qr7tt7i4qi527v3@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:21:45 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <8dfsl39vsq5nuqv1lcpri8n3too2htg6o4@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:46:23 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <abtpl350noamft5snmi7nbalc8r7pvmgpg@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:04:47 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <65udnRIcZpl768HanZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/7/183319/766
It's Not Torture They're Covering Up, It's the Results
by The Baculum King
Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 03:41:17 PM PST Daily Kos
The automatic assumption about the CIA's destruction of the
interrogation
tapes of Abu Zubaydah is that the tapes exposed methods everyone
would
agree
amounted to torture, and they were destroyed to prevent that
proof
being
exposed. It's quite likely that what was being covered up was the
results
of
that torture.
I read that. It seems that Bush's friends in Saudi Arabia and
Pakistan
were involved with some very bad people. No wonder they wanted to
destroy the tapes. I wonder how much else was destroyed?
I think it's time to impeach the whole damn administration.
"Impeach"!?!?!?
Is not that going a little too unfar?
Nuremburg is too good for these self-serving piratical
nation-rapists.
They have to be impeached before they can be removed from office. Then
I
say we 'render' them to one of their secret prisons for 'intensive
interrogation' after which we can ship them off to the Hague for their
war crimes trial.
Excellent plan, Él Presidenté Hachmann!
Si Miguel. Then we start zee Revolution.
I vote for 33 & 1/3 RPM.
We should proceed faster. 78 rpm.
Do you still stand by your record as Presidente?
Sometimes I can't even stand on my own two feet. :-)
--
John #1782
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