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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "E.Bola"
Date: 22 Jul 2004 08:50:57 AM
Object: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............
The militant Atheist is a oxymoron. There is an internet cult named
the Church of the Subgenius who take it upon themselves to attack
posters of religious and paranormal news groups.
Are Athiest so insecure in their beliefs that they feel they have to
assault those of different views?
I find attacks on other mindsets to be a defense mechanism to prop
up your own belief structure.
It seems atheism needs a lot of strokes to validate itself. Certainly
any belief that require this much work to propogate is fatally flawed
and will collapse from it's own weight regardless of how many crutches
you use.
.

User: "JTEM"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 22 Jul 2004 11:10:43 AM
"E.Bola" <steelsteal@hotmail.com> wrote

Are Athiest so insecure in their beliefs that they feel they
have to assault those of different views?

I'm glad you crossposted this to alt.atheism, so that none of
the irony was lost.
.

User: "kathryn"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 22 Jul 2004 02:18:55 PM
"E.Bola" <steelsteal@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:35c5fc3b.0407220550.722311c7@posting.google.com...

The militant Atheist is a oxymoron. There is an internet cult named
the Church of the Subgenius who take it upon themselves to attack
posters of religious and paranormal news groups.
Are Athiest so insecure in their beliefs that they feel they have to
assault those of different views?
I find attacks on other mindsets to be a defense mechanism to prop
up your own belief structure.
It seems atheism needs a lot of strokes to validate itself. Certainly
any belief that require this much work to propogate is fatally flawed
and will collapse from it's own weight regardless of how many crutches
you use.

Funnily enough a quick search of googles shows that most of the messages
containing "Eric V Gill" are by you.
.

User: "Denis Loubet"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 22 Jul 2004 09:02:10 AM
"E.Bola" <steelsteal@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:35c5fc3b.0407220550.722311c7@posting.google.com...

The militant Atheist is a oxymoron. There is an internet cult named
the Church of the Subgenius who take it upon themselves to attack
posters of religious and paranormal news groups.
Are Athiest so insecure in their beliefs that they feel they have to
assault those of different views?
I find attacks on other mindsets to be a defense mechanism to prop
up your own belief structure.
It seems atheism needs a lot of strokes to validate itself. Certainly
any belief that require this much work to propogate is fatally flawed
and will collapse from it's own weight regardless of how many crutches
you use.

Nice bunch of generalizations, can I play?
"Why do you theists insist on flying airplanes into buildings?"
How was that?
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
.
User: "Swiss Army"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 22 Jul 2004 09:12:53 AM
Look at the lusher Atheist accusing others of assumptions while
assuming that the poster is a believer in GOD. Zealots flew planes into
buildings, an Atheist can be a Zealot as well.
I usually wouldn't waste time trying to inform a fool but you caught
me on a good day.
God both does and does not exist. God/not-God is beyond human
understanding.
It dosen't matter what you believe because the truth is the truth. Your
belief does change your immediate reality but not the big picture.
Atheists here appear to be hostile, aggressive, frustrated and
self-righteous, certainly this is not the hallmark of Truth.
.
User: "Denis Loubet"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 22 Jul 2004 10:12:47 AM
"Swiss Army" <swisherarmy@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:13473-40FFCB65-46@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net...

Look at the lusher Atheist accusing others of assumptions while
assuming that the poster is a believer in GOD.

It's spelled loser.

Zealots flew planes into
buildings, an Atheist can be a Zealot as well.

So which atheists flew planes into buildings? I forget...

I usually wouldn't waste time trying to inform a fool but you caught
me on a good day.
God both does and does not exist. God/not-God is beyond human
understanding.

So how do you know it both exists and doesn't exist? Are you using some kind
of inhuman understanding? How does that work?

It dosen't matter what you believe because the truth is the truth. Your
belief does change your immediate reality but not the big picture.

It doesn't matter what you believe, but it does, but not a lot?
Well, that covers just about all the bases. It's good to know you can really
take a stand.

Atheists here appear to be hostile, aggressive, frustrated and
self-righteous, certainly this is not the hallmark of Truth.

Or maybe it's because we're sick and tired of being second-class citizens.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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User: "Nvok"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 22 Jul 2004 05:19:30 PM
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message news:<gc6dnQph0PUMRGLdRVn-ig@io.com>...

"Swiss Army" <swisherarmy@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:13473-40FFCB65-46@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net...

Look at the lusher Atheist accusing others of assumptions while
assuming that the poster is a believer in GOD.


It's spelled loser.

Unless s/he thinks that we're plusher than theists...
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 22 Jul 2004 05:22:54 PM
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:19:30 -0700 in episode
<53f24416.0407221419.458e2b83@posting.google.com> we saw our hero
cairnbaan@tiscali.co.uk (N'vok):

"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:<gc6dnQph0PUMRGLdRVn-ig@io.com>...

"Swiss Army" <swisherarmy@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:13473-40FFCB65-46@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net...

Look at the lusher Atheist accusing others of assumptions while
assuming that the poster is a believer in GOD.


It's spelled loser.


Unless s/he thinks that we're plusher than theists...

Or have more dense foliage?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
.
User: "jwk"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 24 Jul 2004 08:04:33 PM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.07.22.22.22.53.663781@org.webmaster>...

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:19:30 -0700 in episode
<53f24416.0407221419.458e2b83@posting.google.com> we saw our hero
cairnbaan@tiscali.co.uk (N'vok):

"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:<gc6dnQph0PUMRGLdRVn-ig@io.com>...

"Swiss Army" <swisherarmy@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Look at the lusher Atheist accusing others of assumptions while
assuming that the poster is a believer in GOD.


It's spelled loser.


Unless s/he thinks that we're plusher than theists...


Or have more dense foliage?

<Cue response from Whoopie Goldberg>
jwk
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User: "Rev. 11D Ricardo MadGello"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 24 Jul 2004 09:30:57 PM
"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c6f5ba32.0407241704.441befa1@posting.google.com...

<Cue response from Whoopie Goldberg>

Do you know what she actually said?
All I can find is fluff.
.
User: "jwk"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 26 Jul 2004 04:27:08 PM
"Rev. 11D Ricardo MadGello" <visualize.whirled.peas@sweet.*****.juice> wrote in message news:<BXEMc.4911$qT3.1662@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>...

"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c6f5ba32.0407241704.441befa1@posting.google.com...

<Cue response from Whoopie Goldberg>


Do you know what she actually said?
All I can find is fluff.

This is all I could find -
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0429/goldstein.php
What Did Whoopi Say?
Everyone knows that Whoopi Goldberg put too much starch in John
Kerry's collar at a Democratic fundraiser last week. But what did she
actually say? You wouldn't know from most press accounts, which made
only vague mention of her references to "bush" as part of the female
anatomy. Not even Drudge went all the way. (Perhaps he's a prude when
it comes to the female anatomy.) A frantic database search led to a
very unlikely source: Matt Labash of the conservative Weekly Standard.
According to him, Whoopi's remarks ran like this: "Nothing has given
me more pleasure than bush. . . . Someone has tarnished the world in
the name of Bush. . . . Keep bush where it belongs, not in the White
House."
There's a lesson here about the consequences of failing to report the
full content of a controversial statement. It makes the comment seem
so kinky that it can't be printed in the papers. The media's reticence
enabled the Republicans to portray Goldberg—and Kerry—as fonts of
perversion. If ***** Cheney's obscene utterance in the Senate sailed
by, that's partly because the press came closer to letting us know
what he'd actually said, and partly because it's less threatening when
a man blurts, "***** yourself!" than when a woman meditates on her
body. All the more reason for candor. When it comes to sexual
politics, what isn't fit to print is often the truth.
jwk
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User: "Rev. 11D Ricardo MadGello"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 26 Jul 2004 06:45:43 PM
HOLY *****! Is that ALL that was about?
I found some female condoms today.
Anybody got some instrux on how to use them properly?
There doesn't seem to be proper accoutrements on this CONNIE doll here.
"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c6f5ba32.0407261327.2c48595a@posting.google.com...

"Rev. 11D Ricardo MadGello" <visualize.whirled.peas@sweet.*****.juice>
wrote in message news:<BXEMc.4911$qT3.1662@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>...

"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c6f5ba32.0407241704.441befa1@posting.google.com...

<Cue response from Whoopie Goldberg>


Do you know what she actually said?
All I can find is fluff.


This is all I could find -
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0429/goldstein.php

What Did Whoopi Say?

Everyone knows that Whoopi Goldberg put too much starch in John
Kerry's collar at a Democratic fundraiser last week. But what did she
actually say? You wouldn't know from most press accounts, which made
only vague mention of her references to "bush" as part of the female
anatomy. Not even Drudge went all the way. (Perhaps he's a prude when
it comes to the female anatomy.) A frantic database search led to a
very unlikely source: Matt Labash of the conservative Weekly Standard.
According to him, Whoopi's remarks ran like this: "Nothing has given
me more pleasure than bush. . . . Someone has tarnished the world in
the name of Bush. . . . Keep bush where it belongs, not in the White
House."

There's a lesson here about the consequences of failing to report the
full content of a controversial statement. It makes the comment seem
so kinky that it can't be printed in the papers. The media's reticence
enabled the Republicans to portray Goldberg-and Kerry-as fonts of
perversion. If ***** Cheney's obscene utterance in the Senate sailed
by, that's partly because the press came closer to letting us know
what he'd actually said, and partly because it's less threatening when
a man blurts, "***** yourself!" than when a woman meditates on her
body. All the more reason for candor. When it comes to sexual
politics, what isn't fit to print is often the truth.

jwk

.


User: "KelL"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 26 Jul 2004 01:19:25 AM
In article <BXEMc.4911$qT3.1662@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>,
"Rev. 11D Ricardo MadGello" <visualize.whirled.peas@sweet.*****.juice>
wrote:
!"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
!news:c6f5ba32.0407241704.441befa1@posting.google.com...
!> <Cue response from Whoopie Goldberg>
!
!Do you know what she actually said?
!All I can find is fluff.
Well, it may have been a reiteration of a comment she made when she
filled in for Letterman awhile:
"We're being led by a ***** and a Bush - and theonly Bush I trust is my
own."
which, btw, garnered no raging hyperbole from the neo-conned right....
Bush should just go and get Cheneyed
--
KelL
AFTRA
"Religion is the most malevolent of all mind viruses."
--Sir Arthur C. Clarke
.



User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 23 Jul 2004 10:44:03 AM
In article <pan.2004.07.22.22.22.53.663781@org.webmaster>, Mark K. Bilbo says...


On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:19:30 -0700 in episode
<53f24416.0407221419.458e2b83@posting.google.com> we saw our hero
cairnbaan@tiscali.co.uk (N'vok):

"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:<gc6dnQph0PUMRGLdRVn-ig@io.com>...

"Swiss Army" <swisherarmy@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:13473-40FFCB65-46@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net...

Look at the lusher Atheist accusing others of assumptions while
assuming that the poster is a believer in GOD.


It's spelled loser.


Unless s/he thinks that we're plusher than theists...


Or have more dense foliage?

Well, we HAVE had a lot of rain lately ;)
--------------
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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User: "Desdinova"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 22 Jul 2004 09:38:47 AM
"Swiss Army" <swisherarmy@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:13473-40FFCB65-46@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net...

Look at the lusher Atheist accusing others of assumptions while
assuming that the poster is a believer in GOD. Zealots flew planes into
buildings, an Atheist can be a Zealot as well.
I usually wouldn't waste time trying to inform a fool

Then don't.

but you caught me on a good day.

Good for whom?

God both does and does not exist. God/not-God is beyond human
understanding.

So you're agnostic?

It dosen't matter what you believe because the truth is the truth.

Atheists want the truth , not dogma and myths.

Your belief does change your immediate reality but not the big picture.

We don't have beliefs.

Atheists here appear to be hostile, aggressive, frustrated and
self-righteous,

The same can be said of theists.

certainly this is not the hallmark of Truth.

Will you hold theists to the same standard?
--
Desdinova aa #2182
EAC Director of Research and Destroy, Black Helicopter Pilot
"Religion is what the common people see as true,
the wise people see as false, and the rulers see as useful."
-Seneca
.
User: "E.Bola"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 22 Jul 2004 12:52:33 PM
"Desdinova" <desdinova@nodamnspam.com> wrote in message news:<XjQLc.6187$sx2.3509@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...

"Swiss Army" <swisherarmy@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:13473-40FFCB65-46@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net...

Look at the lusher Atheist accusing others of assumptions while
assuming that the poster is a believer in GOD. Zealots flew planes into
buildings, an Atheist can be a Zealot as well.


I usually wouldn't waste time trying to inform a fool


Then don't.

Fools can't be informed.
It seems you may be someone with an open mind.


but you caught me on a good day.


Good for whom?

Good for you if you listen to points this thread makes.


God both does and does not exist. God/not-God is beyond human
understanding.


So you're agnostic?

No, it is something else entirely


It dosen't matter what you believe because the truth is the truth.


Atheists want the truth , not dogma and myths.

Then listen to what is being said here.


Your belief does change your immediate reality but not the big picture.


We don't have beliefs.

You have embraced the negative of a belief which is, alas, still a
belief. You belief that God dosen't exist. I would like to suggest
you take a college level philosophy class in logic.


Atheists here appear to be hostile, aggressive, frustrated and
self-righteous,


The same can be said of theists.

That is true! If Atheism is to be the correct worldview then shouldn't
it have loftier goals than waddling with the ignorant in flamefests?


certainly this is not the hallmark of Truth.


Will you hold theists to the same standard?

yes.
.
User: "Desdinova"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 22 Jul 2004 01:10:13 PM
"E.Bola" <steelsteal@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:35c5fc3b.0407220952.58a398c3@posting.google.com...

"Desdinova" <desdinova@nodamnspam.com> wrote in message

news:<XjQLc.6187$sx2.3509@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...

"Swiss Army" <swisherarmy@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:13473-40FFCB65-46@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net...

Look at the lusher Atheist accusing others of assumptions while
assuming that the poster is a believer in GOD. Zealots flew planes

into

buildings, an Atheist can be a Zealot as well.


I usually wouldn't waste time trying to inform a fool


Then don't.


Fools can't be informed.
It seems you may be someone with an open mind.

I like toi think so.

but you caught me on a good day.


Good for whom?


Good for you if you listen to points this thread makes.



God both does and does not exist. God/not-God is beyond human
understanding.


So you're agnostic?


No, it is something else entirely

Please explain.


It dosen't matter what you believe because the truth is the truth.


Atheists want the truth , not dogma and myths.


Then listen to what is being said here.


Your belief does change your immediate reality but not the big

picture.


We don't have beliefs.


You have embraced the negative of a belief which is, alas, still a
belief.
You belief that God dosen't exist.

I have lack of belief in god claims, not a belief in no gods. I am
*convinced* that gods do not exist. I will not be convinced otherwise until
scientifically credible evidence becomes available for proof of a god.

I would like to suggest
you take a college level philosophy class in logic.

Philosophy and logic are two different disciplines. I have studied critical
thinking and psychology in college.
I was a theist for 35 years.
Try George H. Smith's book "Atheism: The Case Against God". He cogently
demonstrates that gods are an impossibility.


Atheists here appear to be hostile, aggressive, frustrated and
self-righteous,


The same can be said of theists.


That is true! If Atheism is to be the correct worldview then shouldn't
it have loftier goals than waddling with the ignorant in flamefests?

Agreed. Flamefests are a waste of time. Honest debate is a worthwhile
pursuit.

certainly this is not the hallmark of Truth.


Will you hold theists to the same standard?


yes.

--
Desdinova aa #2182
EAC Director of Research and Destroy, Black Helicopter Pilot
"Religion is what the common people see as true,
the wise people see as false, and the rulers see as useful."
-Seneca
.
User: "nu-monet v7.0"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 22 Jul 2004 01:40:09 PM
Desdinova wrote:


Try George H. Smith's book "Atheism: The Case
Against God". He cogently demonstrates that gods
are an impossibility.

He should date one before he says that.
But I suppose that "gods" depends on your definition
of the word.
Could you call Spider-man a "god"? Or is he more a
"god-like being", or the P.C. "god-like enabled
arachnidally mutant-ably-endowed person"?
Much of the problem is semantic-philosophical. If
*people* define what a god is, then it isn't a god.
If a god(s) define what they are, *and* what people
are in relation to them, the gods, then they *are*
gods. (And this goes back way before Descartes.)
In other words, a *real* god doesn't care what you
think, it defines itself. If it throws a lightning
bolt at you, you *can* say that you were hit by a
lightning bolt, and no god was involved. And *it*
can say it threw a lightning bolt at you. In either
case, your hair is parted and your shoes are smoking.
Now, if the god can *force* you to accept its version
of things, well, damn, it *is* a god. You have to
agree, because you have no choice in the definition.
So what good is a god that doesn't kick your *****?
Not much. It is just silly to assume that gods or
God plays some game like "I'll convince you that I'm
not really here, even though I am here, just to see
if you will believe I'm here, even thought there is
no evidence that I am here" dumbass game of hide and
seek.
So there is only one choice left. Pretend that you
*do* define reality, and play by those rules, taking
responsibility for your decisions; or act like a
neurotic child, and be willing to surrender credit
for everything good that happens just so you can blame
the invisible monsters for it when something bad happens.
The only difference is that the responsibility takers
actually may accomplish something with their lives.
--
Rev. nu-monet
Founder and High Priest
Church of Kali, U.S.A. (Reformed)
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User: "Cardinal Vertigo"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 22 Jul 2004 03:00:39 PM
nu-monet v7.0 wrote:
[snip]

So there is only one choice left. Pretend that you
*do* define reality, and play by those rules, taking
responsibility for your decisions; or act like a
neurotic child, and be willing to surrender credit
for everything good that happens just so you can blame
the invisible monsters for it when something bad happens.

The only difference is that the responsibility takers
actually may accomplish something with their lives.

I'm a theist, and I approve of this message.
--
"Conspiracy theorising is fast becoming a legitimate means of
reporting on a government so secretive that unnamed Pakistani
security types may well be the best informed sources on the
Bush administration's domestic policies and strategems."
- Jonathan Raban
.


User: "Whatup Beeetch"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 22 Jul 2004 02:35:04 PM
desdinova,
You ask us to explain our beliefs. It really is pointless to throw seeds
on the parched Earth of these newsgroups but then again some day the
rain wil come, and who knows, maybe a seed or two will sprout.

Science has proven that the physical world is an illusion. There is no
SOLID matter. There is more empty space than particles that could be
called matter. Even these protons and neutrons are not solid and can be
divided. It is all energy assuming forms under the guidance of
something. Sometimes this guidance is in the form of a human hand whch
is itself a matter phantom. SpaceTime is the illusion created for a
purpose we can not fathom. Quantum Physics opens up the possibility of
parallel worlds(mutiverse) or in other words, completely valid spacetime
universes other than the one we appear to be in.
I don't want to give away too many specifics of my beliefs in this
forum as a weasel like ERIC V. GILL will find some way to charge people
$30 for it.
Let me say that those who seek power are those that feel powerless.
Those who seek to control are the ones who feel out of control. Those
who seek notice are the ones that feel unnoticed. The physical reality
we are in is based upon dichotomy.In quantum physics when a particle is
split into two connected particles(I really have a hard time explaining
how a particle can be two but still be one) these connected particles
will be polar opposittes.
Now we can take this quantum example and apply it to human social
interactions. If your Dad is a religious Zealot then there is a good
chance you will become an Atheist Zealot.
I guess what you want to know is how GOD does and doesn't exist at the
same time. It is the limitations of the spacetime illusion you are
living that makes this sound impossible.
To say that there is no God is just as valid and false as saying that
there is a GOD.
.
User: "Whatup Beeetch"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 22 Jul 2004 03:41:01 PM
I guess I left the trolls of alt.slack speechless. I want to hear some
spew from life's losers to give me that little boast of self esteem.
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User: "Enkidu"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 22 Jul 2004 03:58:06 PM
In article <12236-4100265D-232@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net>,
truthpilot@webtv.net says...

I guess I left the trolls of alt.slack speechless. I want to hear some
spew from life's losers to give me that little boast of self esteem.

Back to the cartoon network.
--
Enkidu
"Go forth, and be excellent to each other"
- Bill & Ted
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 22 Jul 2004 05:14:46 PM
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:41:01 -0400 in episode
<12236-4100265D-232@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net> we saw our hero
truthpilot@webtv.net (Whatup Beeetch):

I guess I left the trolls of alt.slack speechless. I want to hear some
spew from life's losers to give me that little boast of self esteem.

Ah. So you'll reading your own posts a lot...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
.

User: "Puck Greenman"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 23 Jul 2004 01:07:00 PM
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:41:01 -0400,
(Whatup
Beeetch) with calm deliberation, and malace aforethought, wrote:

I guess I left the trolls of alt.slack speechless.

I can imagine. It is so difficult to answer pure stupidity.

I want to hear some
spew from life's losers to give me that little boast of self esteem.

I thought that you already did talk to your self.
<a.a, WTF. If you can't beat them, join them.> (:-)
Puck Greenman

#162

BAAWA Knight.

Blesed is the self righteous xtian,
for his is the sure and certain knowledge
that no matter what load of tripe he
comes out with:
God told him to say it.
.


User: "Enkidu"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 22 Jul 2004 03:38:29 PM
In article <8932-410016E8-183@storefull-3276.bay.webtv.net>,
truthpilot@webtv.net says...

desdinova,

You ask us to explain our beliefs. It really is pointless to throw seeds
on the parched Earth of these newsgroups but then again some day the
rain wil come, and who knows, maybe a seed or two will sprout.


Science has proven that the physical world is an illusion. There is no
SOLID matter. There is more empty space than particles that could be
called matter. Even these protons and neutrons are not solid and can be
divided. It is all energy assuming forms under the guidance of
something.

Well, this isn't a great start. You clearly don't understand modern
physics. Just because the quantum domain does not follow your
preconceived notions does not mean "there is no solid matter". It means
that matter/energy is a more complex phenomena than was once thought.
And the "guidance" idea. Where did that come from? You have some
justification for introducing it, other than needing to slip God in
somewhere early so you can pull him out later? That's called "begging
the question" and invalidated any argument.

Sometimes this guidance is in the form of a human hand whch
is itself a matter phantom. SpaceTime is the illusion created for a
purpose we can not fathom.

And the "created for a purpose" idea. Where did that come from? You
have some justification for introducing it, other than needing to slip a
created universe in somewhere early so you can pull a creator out later?
That's called "begging the question" and invalidated any argument.

Quantum Physics opens up the possibility of
parallel worlds(mutiverse) or in other words, completely valid spacetime
universes other than the one we appear to be in.

Mathematically, perhaps. But since we don't have a complete model that
explains our observable universe yet, it's pointless to speculate based
on extrapolations of our current conflicting and incomplete models.

I don't want to give away too many specifics of my beliefs in this
forum as a weasel like ERIC V. GILL will find some way to charge people
$30 for it.

I think it more likely that you can't put you beliefs in a coherent form
that will withstand criticism. Frankly, you've botched the job so far.

Let me say that those who seek power are those that feel powerless.

Or those who have power and want to keep it.

Those who seek to control are the ones who feel out of control.

Or those who are in control and want to maintain control.

Those who seek notice are the ones that feel unnoticed.

Everyone wants his 15 minutes, I guess. But this is pointless. You are
criticizing motivation rather than arguments people. I don't give a
rat's ***** if Stephen Hawking is advancing his cosmological models
because he needs an outlet for his suppressed sexuality or to "feel
noticed". Is he right? That's the only important question.

The physical reality
we are in is based upon dichotomy. In quantum physics when a particle is
split into two connected particles(I really have a hard time explaining
how a particle can be two but still be one) these connected particles
will be polar opposittes.

What? This is crap. Photons (no charge, no magnetic moment) can be
entangled. You have trouble explaining it because you don't understand
it.

Now we can take this quantum example and apply it to human social
interactions. If your Dad is a religious Zealot then there is a good
chance you will become an Atheist Zealot.

Hip waders aren't enough! The *****'s too deep! I need my mask and
snorkel. You don't understand quantum electrodynamics. You take a
flawed reading of a theory you don't understand, and you extrapolate it
into a realm it does not apply, and your result is counter to every
survey and study, anecdote and casual observation ever made about how
humans acquire religious beliefs. There can be no doubt that the vast
majority of humans follow the religious teachings of their parents.

I guess what you want to know is how GOD does and doesn't exist at the
same time. It is the limitations of the spacetime illusion you are
living that makes this sound impossible.

God exists in your frightened little mind, and comforts you like a
stuffed rabbit comforts a small child. God does not exist in the real
universe. That is how God exists and doesn't exist at the same time.

To say that there is no God is just as valid and false as saying that
there is a GOD.

One half-right statement in your entire post, and you saved it for the
end. Next time put it at the top, and label it so I don't have to read
the entire post.
--
Enkidu
"Go forth, and be excellent to each other"
- Bill & Ted
.
User: "Desdinova"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 22 Jul 2004 03:42:00 PM
"Enkidu" <zwi6iv402@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b69c5a2a8d187a59899ad@news.west.cox.net...

In article <8932-410016E8-183@storefull-3276.bay.webtv.net>,
truthpilot@webtv.net says...

desdinova,

You ask us to explain our beliefs. It really is pointless to throw seeds
on the parched Earth of these newsgroups but then again some day the
rain wil come, and who knows, maybe a seed or two will sprout.


Science has proven that the physical world is an illusion. There is no
SOLID matter. There is more empty space than particles that could be
called matter. Even these protons and neutrons are not solid and can be
divided. It is all energy assuming forms under the guidance of
something.


Well, this isn't a great start. You clearly don't understand modern
physics. Just because the quantum domain does not follow your
preconceived notions does not mean "there is no solid matter". It means
that matter/energy is a more complex phenomena than was once thought.

And the "guidance" idea. Where did that come from? You have some
justification for introducing it, other than needing to slip God in
somewhere early so you can pull him out later? That's called "begging
the question" and invalidated any argument.


Sometimes this guidance is in the form of a human hand whch
is itself a matter phantom. SpaceTime is the illusion created for a
purpose we can not fathom.


And the "created for a purpose" idea. Where did that come from? You
have some justification for introducing it, other than needing to slip a
created universe in somewhere early so you can pull a creator out later?
That's called "begging the question" and invalidated any argument.

Quantum Physics opens up the possibility of
parallel worlds(mutiverse) or in other words, completely valid spacetime
universes other than the one we appear to be in.


Mathematically, perhaps. But since we don't have a complete model that
explains our observable universe yet, it's pointless to speculate based
on extrapolations of our current conflicting and incomplete models.

I don't want to give away too many specifics of my beliefs in this
forum as a weasel like ERIC V. GILL will find some way to charge people
$30 for it.


I think it more likely that you can't put you beliefs in a coherent form
that will withstand criticism. Frankly, you've botched the job so far.

Let me say that those who seek power are those that feel powerless.


Or those who have power and want to keep it.

Those who seek to control are the ones who feel out of control.


Or those who are in control and want to maintain control.

Those who seek notice are the ones that feel unnoticed.


Everyone wants his 15 minutes, I guess. But this is pointless. You are
criticizing motivation rather than arguments people. I don't give a
rat's ***** if Stephen Hawking is advancing his cosmological models
because he needs an outlet for his suppressed sexuality or to "feel
noticed". Is he right? That's the only important question.

The physical reality
we are in is based upon dichotomy. In quantum physics when a particle

is

split into two connected particles(I really have a hard time explaining
how a particle can be two but still be one) these connected particles
will be polar opposittes.


What? This is crap. Photons (no charge, no magnetic moment) can be
entangled. You have trouble explaining it because you don't understand
it.

Now we can take this quantum example and apply it to human social
interactions. If your Dad is a religious Zealot then there is a good
chance you will become an Atheist Zealot.


Hip waders aren't enough! The *****'s too deep! I need my mask and
snorkel. You don't understand quantum electrodynamics. You take a
flawed reading of a theory you don't understand, and you extrapolate it
into a realm it does not apply, and your result is counter to every
survey and study, anecdote and casual observation ever made about how
humans acquire religious beliefs. There can be no doubt that the vast
majority of humans follow the religious teachings of their parents.

I guess what you want to know is how GOD does and doesn't exist at the
same time. It is the limitations of the spacetime illusion you are
living that makes this sound impossible.


God exists in your frightened little mind, and comforts you like a
stuffed rabbit comforts a small child. God does not exist in the real
universe. That is how God exists and doesn't exist at the same time.

To say that there is no God is just as valid and false as saying that
there is a GOD.


One half-right statement in your entire post, and you saved it for the
end. Next time put it at the top, and label it so I don't have to read
the entire post.

Simply put: Everything exists and doesn't exist? Who are these guys?
S'cuse me whilst I go figure........
--
Desdinova aa #2182
EAC Director of Research and Destroy, Black Helicopter Pilot
"Religion is what the common people see as true,
the wise people see as false, and the rulers see as useful."
-Seneca
.
User: "Vic Sagerquist"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 22 Jul 2004 08:45:44 PM
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Desdinova:

Simply put: Everything exists and doesn't exist? Who are these guys?

Looking at the headers in question I see Web-TV.
Lamers.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
______________
The whole foundation of Christianity is based on the idea that
intellectualism is the work of the Devil. Remember the apple on the tree?
Okay, it was the Tree of Knowledge. "You eat this apple, you're going to be
as smart as God. We can't have that."
[Frank Zappa]
.


User: "Whatup Beeetch"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 22 Jul 2004 06:15:09 PM
photons have spin which can be measured.
It appears that the Cult of the Subgenius has spin also!
Hawkins believes in a multiverse.
What efforts you have gone thru to debunk me but all I hear in your
words is Hatred and very little truth.
I am wiling to put this discussion into sci.physics and we will see who
understands the implications of Quantum physics.
You talka lot and say very little. A point by point with you is
pointless..
Come on ERIC! Now that this is in sci.physics make sure your Cult of the
Subgenius brings out their Uncle Wally puppet to debunk me.
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 22 Jul 2004 06:35:49 PM
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:15:09 -0400 in episode
<10537-41004A7D-208@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net> we saw our hero
truthpilot@webtv.net (Whatup Beeetch):

photons have spin which can be measured. It appears that the Cult of the
Subgenius has spin also! Hawkins believes in a multiverse.

What efforts you have gone thru to debunk me but all I hear in your words
is Hatred and very little truth. I am wiling to put this discussion into
sci.physics and we will see who understands the implications of Quantum
physics.

You talka lot and say very little. A point by point with you is
pointless..

Come on ERIC! Now that this is in sci.physics make sure your Cult of the
Subgenius brings out their Uncle Wally puppet to debunk me.

Can anybody *else see this "Eric" person or just you?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
.

User: "Vic Sagerquist"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 22 Jul 2004 08:47:58 PM
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Whatup Beeetch:

photons have spin which can be measured.
It appears that the Cult of the Subgenius has spin also!
Hawkins believes in a multiverse.

What efforts you have gone thru to debunk me but all I hear in your
words is Hatred and very little truth.
I am wiling to put this discussion into sci.physics and we will see
who understands the implications of Quantum physics.

You talka lot and say very little. A point by point with you is
pointless..

Come on ERIC! Now that this is in sci.physics make sure your Cult of
the Subgenius brings out their Uncle Wally puppet to debunk me.


Sorry Whatup. I can't take a post from a Web-TV user seriously. Go get
yourself a real computer.
<plonk>
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
______________
The whole foundation of Christianity is based on the idea that
intellectualism is the work of the Devil. Remember the apple on the
tree? Okay, it was the Tree of Knowledge. "You eat this apple, you're
going to be as smart as God. We can't have that."
[Frank Zappa]
.



User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: It's OK if you don't believe in GOD but............ 22 Jul 2004 05:14:20 PM
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:35:04 -0400 in episode
<8932-410016E8-183@storefull-3276.bay.webtv.net> we saw our hero
truthpilot@webtv.net (Whatup Beeetch):

Science has proven that the physical world is an illusion.

Except it hasn't of course...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
.








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