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11 May 2005 04:10:06 PM |
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It's Science, Not a Freak Show |
It's Science, Not a Freak Show
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/11/opinion/11wed2.html
Far-out possibilities should not distract us from welcoming more
mundane experiments with animal-human hybrids that will be needed to
advance science.
Cheney Wins Court Ruling On Energy Panel Records
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/10/AR2005051000599.html
http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1791.6285
By Carol D. Leonnig and Jim VandeHei, Page A01
A federal appeals court in Washington dismissed a lawsuit yesterday
that sought to force Vice President Cheney to turn over records of
private meetings his office held in 2001 to shape the administration's
energy policy.
The Road to Riches
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/5ba95f4634dec9cd
and thread
The Road to Riches
http://tinyurl.com/55nzo
A Blueprint for the Future
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/59c28cd6dfe6f60f
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| User: "John Vreeland" |
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| Title: Re: It's Science, Not a Freak Show |
11 May 2005 07:46:28 PM |
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On 11 May 2005 14:10:06 -0700, "maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote:
It's Science, Not a Freak Show
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/11/opinion/11wed2.html
Far-out possibilities should not distract us from welcoming more
mundane experiments with animal-human hybrids that will be needed to
advance science.
Cheney Wins Court Ruling On Energy Panel Records
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/10/AR2005051000599.html
http://forums.delphiforums.com/atheistrefuge/messages?msg=1791.6285
By Carol D. Leonnig and Jim VandeHei, Page A01
A federal appeals court in Washington dismissed a lawsuit yesterday
that sought to force Vice President Cheney to turn over records of
private meetings his office held in 2001 to shape the administration's
energy policy.
The Road to Riches
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/5ba95f4634dec9cd
What the heck is that, maff? A link to a link to a link? Am I
following the Yellow Brick Road, the Primrose Path, or am I plummeting
down the Rabbit Hole?
I gave up half way there and came back home.
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John Vreeland
If you cannot ever admit to being wrong, then you will never be right.
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11 May 2005 04:27:32 PM |
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Seventy is the sum of our years, or eighty if we are strong, and most
of them are fruitless toil, for they pass quickly and we drift away.
-- Psalm 90:10
The Our Father:
Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name; thy kingdom come,
thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our
daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who
trespass against us; and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us
from evil. Amen.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: It's Science, Not a Freak Show |
11 May 2005 04:55:39 PM |
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<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1115846852.072669.53800@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Seventy is the sum of our years, or eighty if we are strong, and most
of them are fruitless toil, for they pass quickly and we drift away.
-- Psalm 90:10
The Our Father:
Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name; thy kingdom come,
thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our
daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who
trespass against us; and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us
from evil. Amen.
"Open the pod bay doors HAL. HAL, open the pod bay doors."
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Alfred A. Aburto Jr." |
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| Title: Re: It's Science, Not a Freak Show |
11 May 2005 06:00:15 PM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1115846852.072669.53800@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Seventy is the sum of our years, or eighty if we are strong, and most
of them are fruitless toil, for they pass quickly and we drift away.
-- Psalm 90:10
The Our Father:
Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name; thy kingdom come,
thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our
daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who
trespass against us; and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us
from evil. Amen.
"Open the pod bay doors HAL. HAL, open the pod bay doors."
"Just what do you think you are doing Dave"
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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11 May 2005 07:53:14 PM |
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Alfred A. Aburto Jr. wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1115846852.072669.53800@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Seventy is the sum of our years, or eighty if we are strong, and most
of them are fruitless toil, for they pass quickly and we drift away.
-- Psalm 90:10
The Our Father:
Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name; thy kingdom come,
thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our
daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who
trespass against us; and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us
from evil. Amen.
"Open the pod bay doors HAL. HAL, open the pod bay doors."
"Just what do you think you are doing Dave"
YM "I'm sorry Dave; I'm afraid I can't do that."
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
"Darwin's theory has no more to do with philosophy than any other
hypothesis in natural science." Tractatus 4.1122
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| User: "Alexander" |
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12 May 2005 02:41:28 AM |
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"John Wilkins" <j.wilkins1@uq.edu.au> wrote in message
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Alfred A. Aburto Jr. wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1115846852.072669.53800@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Seventy is the sum of our years, or eighty if we are strong, and most
of them are fruitless toil, for they pass quickly and we drift away.
-- Psalm 90:10
The Our Father:
Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name; thy kingdom come,
thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our
daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who
trespass against us; and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us
from evil. Amen.
"Open the pod bay doors HAL. HAL, open the pod bay doors."
"Just what do you think you are doing Dave"
YM "I'm sorry Dave; I'm afraid I can't do that."
My favourite line of all films - along with 'My God ... it's full of stars'
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John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
"Darwin's theory has no more to do with philosophy than any other
hypothesis in natural science." Tractatus 4.1122
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| User: "Robert J. Kolker" |
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12 May 2005 06:04:23 AM |
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Alexander wrote:
YM "I'm sorry Dave; I'm afraid I can't do that."
My favourite line of all films - along with 'My God ... it's full of stars'
That is an urban legend. He discovered that the Monolith is really a
parking lot in Outer Space. He said -- "My God, ... its full of cars".
Bob Kolker
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13 May 2005 10:06:56 AM |
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Robert J. Kolker wrote:
Alexander wrote:
YM "I'm sorry Dave; I'm afraid I can't do that."
My favourite line of all films - along with 'My God ... it's full of stars'
That is an urban legend. He discovered that the Monolith is really a
parking lot in Outer Space. He said -- "My God, ... its full of cars".
LOL !
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Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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| User: "Richard Clayton" |
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13 May 2005 02:53:23 PM |
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Robert J. Kolker wrote:
Alexander wrote:
YM "I'm sorry Dave; I'm afraid I can't do that."
My favourite line of all films - along with 'My God ... it's full of stars'
That is an urban legend. He discovered that the Monolith is really a
parking lot in Outer Space. He said -- "My God, ... its full of cars".
Not many people know this, but in the original script for 2001, the
Monolith transported Dave Bowman to Heaven, not to an intergalactic bus
station. Dave's dawning understanding of eternal bliss was reflected in
his final transmission:
"My God! It's full of bars!"
--
[The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.]
Richard Clayton
"During wars laws are silent." -- Cicero
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| User: "Mark Isaak" |
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15 May 2005 07:38:02 PM |
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On Fri, 13 May 2005 19:53:23 GMT, Richard Clayton
<recZIGlaytonZIG@verizon.net> wrote:
Robert J. Kolker wrote:
Alexander wrote:
YM "I'm sorry Dave; I'm afraid I can't do that."
My favourite line of all films - along with 'My God ... it's full of stars'
That is an urban legend. He discovered that the Monolith is really a
parking lot in Outer Space. He said -- "My God, ... its full of cars".
Not many people know this, but in the original script for 2001, the
Monolith transported Dave Bowman to Heaven, not to an intergalactic bus
station. Dave's dawning understanding of eternal bliss was reflected in
his final transmission:
"My God! It's full of bars!"
No, it only transported him partway to heaven, and he said, "My God!
It's full of stairs!"
--
Mark Isaak eciton (at) earthlink (dot) net
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
exposing the country to danger." -- Hermann Goering
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| User: "catshark" |
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13 May 2005 07:50:08 PM |
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On Fri, 13 May 2005 19:53:23 GMT, Richard Clayton
<recZIGlaytonZIG@verizon.net> wrote:
Robert J. Kolker wrote:
Alexander wrote:
YM "I'm sorry Dave; I'm afraid I can't do that."
My favourite line of all films - along with 'My God ... it's full of stars'
That is an urban legend. He discovered that the Monolith is really a
parking lot in Outer Space. He said -- "My God, ... its full of cars".
Not many people know this, but in the original script for 2001, the
Monolith transported Dave Bowman to Heaven, not to an intergalactic bus
station. Dave's dawning understanding of eternal bliss was reflected in
his final transmission:
"My God! It's full of bars!"
Nope. It was heaven alright . . . but for golfers:
"My God! It's full of pars!"
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J. Pieret
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Nunc Id Vides, Nunc Ne Vides
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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15 May 2005 08:07:24 AM |
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On Fri, 13 May 2005 20:50:08 -0400, catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2005 19:53:23 GMT, Richard Clayton
<recZIGlaytonZIG@verizon.net> wrote:
Robert J. Kolker wrote:
Alexander wrote:
YM "I'm sorry Dave; I'm afraid I can't do that."
My favourite line of all films - along with 'My God ... it's full of stars'
That is an urban legend. He discovered that the Monolith is really a
parking lot in Outer Space. He said -- "My God, ... its full of cars".
Not many people know this, but in the original script for 2001, the
Monolith transported Dave Bowman to Heaven, not to an intergalactic bus
station. Dave's dawning understanding of eternal bliss was reflected in
his final transmission:
"My God! It's full of bars!"
Nope. It was heaven alright . . . but for golfers:
"My God! It's full of pars!"
My Grand daughters mouth: My god, it's full of Mars.
<That might not mean much, in America>
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
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| User: "Richard Clayton" |
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15 May 2005 11:43:24 AM |
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Dubh Ghall wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2005 20:50:08 -0400, catshark <catshark@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2005 19:53:23 GMT, Richard Clayton
<recZIGlaytonZIG@verizon.net> wrote:
Robert J. Kolker wrote:
Alexander wrote:
YM "I'm sorry Dave; I'm afraid I can't do that."
My favourite line of all films - along with 'My God ... it's full of stars'
That is an urban legend. He discovered that the Monolith is really a
parking lot in Outer Space. He said -- "My God, ... its full of cars".
Not many people know this, but in the original script for 2001, the
Monolith transported Dave Bowman to Heaven, not to an intergalactic bus
station. Dave's dawning understanding of eternal bliss was reflected in
his final transmission:
"My God! It's full of bars!"
Nope. It was heaven alright . . . but for golfers:
"My God! It's full of pars!"
My Grand daughters mouth: My god, it's full of Mars.
<That might not mean much, in America>
The chocolate bars? Now that's MY idea of Heaven!
--
[The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.]
Richard Clayton
"During wars laws are silent." -- Cicero
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13 May 2005 08:23:12 PM |
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catshark wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2005 19:53:23 GMT, Richard Clayton
<recZIGlaytonZIG@verizon.net> wrote:
Robert J. Kolker wrote:
Alexander wrote:
YM "I'm sorry Dave; I'm afraid I can't do that."
My favourite line of all films - along with 'My God ... it's full of stars'
That is an urban legend. He discovered that the Monolith is really a
parking lot in Outer Space. He said -- "My God, ... its full of cars".
Not many people know this, but in the original script for 2001, the
Monolith transported Dave Bowman to Heaven, not to an intergalactic bus
station. Dave's dawning understanding of eternal bliss was reflected in
his final transmission:
"My God! It's full of bars!"
Nope. It was heaven alright . . . but for golfers:
"My God! It's full of pars!"
If it were Golfer Heaven, wouldn't that be "birdies"?
--
[The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.]
Richard Clayton
"During wars laws are silent." -- Cicero
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14 May 2005 10:01:23 AM |
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On Sat, 14 May 2005 01:23:12 GMT, Richard Clayton
<recZIGlaytonZIG@verizon.net> wrote:
catshark wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2005 19:53:23 GMT, Richard Clayton
<recZIGlaytonZIG@verizon.net> wrote:
Robert J. Kolker wrote:
Alexander wrote:
YM "I'm sorry Dave; I'm afraid I can't do that."
My favourite line of all films - along with 'My God ... it's full of stars'
That is an urban legend. He discovered that the Monolith is really a
parking lot in Outer Space. He said -- "My God, ... its full of cars".
Not many people know this, but in the original script for 2001, the
Monolith transported Dave Bowman to Heaven, not to an intergalactic bus
station. Dave's dawning understanding of eternal bliss was reflected in
his final transmission:
"My God! It's full of bars!"
Nope. It was heaven alright . . . but for golfers:
"My God! It's full of pars!"
If it were Golfer Heaven, wouldn't that be "birdies"?
Not the way *I* play . . .
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J. Pieret
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Nunc Id Vides, Nunc Ne Vides
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18 May 2005 03:27:36 PM |
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In talk.origins Alexander <alexander.hudson@virgin.net> wrote:
My favourite line of all films - along with 'My God ... it's full of stars'
Can someone give me a reality check? As far as I can tell, the
line "My God, it's full of stars!" appears in "2010", but not in
"2001" (the film, at least).
One would think that if that line appeared in "2001", it would
be listed in the IMDb's list of memorable quotes.
--
Andrew Arensburger, Systems guy University of Maryland
arensb.no-bloody-spam@umd.edu Office of Information Technology
Hello, I'm not a .sig virus. Why don't you copy me into your own .sig?
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| User: "Alfred A. Aburto Jr." |
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11 May 2005 06:10:24 PM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1115846852.072669.53800@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Seventy is the sum of our years, or eighty if we are strong, and most
of them are fruitless toil, for they pass quickly and we drift away.
-- Psalm 90:10
The Our Father:
Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name; thy kingdom come,
thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our
daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who
trespass against us; and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us
from evil. Amen.
"Open the pod bay doors HAL. HAL, open the pod bay doors."
It's too late! HAL is singing "daisy, daisy ..." :-)
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| User: "Robert J. Kolker" |
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11 May 2005 06:00:45 PM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Open the pod bay doors HAL. HAL, open the pod bay doors."
I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that.
Bob Kolker
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12 May 2005 12:51:12 PM |
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news:3efh4uF2slnmU2@individual.net by Robert J. Kolker:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Open the pod bay doors HAL. HAL, open the pod bay doors."
I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that.
Are you quoting HAL or Holly?
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Ferrous Patella (Homo gerardii)
T.A., Philosophy Lab
University of Ediacara
"Nature as God's "reality" show - what a concept!"
--A t.o. poster who wishes to remain anonymous
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12 May 2005 05:56:36 AM |
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In the great debate about "Re: It's Science, Not a Freak Show" in
alt.atheism, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> catapaulted the following
boulder:
<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1115846852.072669.53800@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Seventy is the sum of our years, or eighty if we are strong, and most
of them are fruitless toil, for they pass quickly and we drift away.
-- Psalm 90:10
The Our Father:
Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name; thy kingdom come,
thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our
daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who
trespass against us; and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us
from evil. Amen.
"Open the pod bay doors HAL. HAL, open the pod bay doors."
I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought
to sit down calmly, take a stress pill and think things over.
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N. aa #2208
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11 May 2005 06:00:07 PM |
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wrote:
The Our Father:
Where were You, Our Father when those two little girls were stabbed to
death last week end in Zion Ill.?
Bob Kolker
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11 May 2005 07:49:10 PM |
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On Wed, 11 May 2005 19:00:07 -0400, "Robert J. Kolker"
<nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote:
vivapadrepio@aol.com wrote:
The Our Father:
Where were You, Our Father when those two little girls were stabbed to
death last week end in Zion Ill.?
Bob Kolker
Who are you to judge Him?
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John Vreeland
If you cannot ever admit to being wrong, then you will never be right.
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| User: "Robert J. Kolker" |
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11 May 2005 10:07:21 PM |
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Who are you to judge Him?
Abraham did. "Will not the Judge of the word, do justly?"** Jews are
allowed to question God. Its in the Contract.
Bob Kolker
**This is when Abraham bargained God down to ten righeous folk in Sodom
and Gomorrah. There were not even ten.
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11 May 2005 08:42:00 PM |
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John Vreeland <vreejack@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:it95819o8a66tkgc8h4bdqdc97gtnu18ul@4ax.com:
On Wed, 11 May 2005 19:00:07 -0400, "Robert J. Kolker"
<nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote:
vivapadrepio@aol.com wrote:
The Our Father:
Where were You, Our Father when those two little girls were stabbed to
death last week end in Zion Ill.?
Bob Kolker
Who are you to judge Him?
Judge who? The myth in the sky that doesn't exist? Let me put it to you
this way, if he does exist, I don't want any part of that ***** as he is
pure evil as evidenced by both his actions and inactions.
rj
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"I'm an atheist, thank God." - Dave Allen
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11 May 2005 09:36:58 PM |
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John Vreeland wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2005 19:00:07 -0400, "Robert J. Kolker"
<nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote:
vivapadrepio@aol.com wrote:
The Our Father:
Where were You, Our Father when those two little girls were stabbed to
death last week end in Zion Ill.?
Bob Kolker
Who are you to judge Him?
His moral superior, apparently.
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James B, defeating birth control since 2000
aa #944
"Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies."
-Friedrich Nietzsche
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12 May 2005 02:40:23 AM |
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Robert J. Kolker wrote:
vivapadrepio@aol.com wrote:
The Our Father:
Where were You, Our Father when those two little girls were stabbed to
death last week end in Zion Ill.?
Bob Kolker
So for God to exist he must be an over protective parent & prevent all
harm from happening?
If you do not touch a flame how do you know it will burn you? By your
flawed Logic if God does not let us live our lives then that PROVES
that God is a myth?
It Your reasoning that is flawed not the possibility of a Creator.
God COULD have saved them & could prevent bad things from happening but
what good would it do? Would you believe in God?
Explain how someone survives an event when the odds are against them?
Many men who hit the beach first in the Normandy Invasion survived
the entire war... they survived things that they should NOT have...
Explain this?
Ike
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12 May 2005 06:17:49 AM |
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"Lazyike67" <lazyike67@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
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Robert J. Kolker wrote:
vivapadrepio@aol.com wrote:
The Our Father:
Where were You, Our Father when those two little girls were stabbed to
death last week end in Zion Ill.?
Bob Kolker
So for God to exist he must be an over protective parent & prevent all
harm from happening?
Depends on the attributes assigned to this god.
If you do not touch a flame how do you know it will burn you?
Methodological naturalism (AKA science) tells you and me what will happen
even if we haven't experienced this ourselves.
By your
flawed Logic if God does not let us live our lives then that PROVES
that God is a myth?
No, it tells us that god is not omnibenevelent and omnipotent. A god with
other qualities is not ruled out. For example a god that is indifferent to
the human condition is possible and based on observation more likely.
He/She/It simply doesn't care about us one way or the other just as we don't
care one way or the other about the quality of life of an ant in our
backyard.
It Your reasoning that is flawed not the possibility of a Creator.
God COULD have saved them & could prevent bad things from happening but
what good would it do? Would you believe in God?
A real god would have no trouble in convincing everyone of his/her/its
reality.
Explain how someone survives an event when the odds are against them?
Many men who hit the beach first in the Normandy Invasion survived
the entire war... they survived things that they should NOT have...
Explain this?
Some died on both sides and some lived (both my father and my father-in-law
included - they were on the opposite sides in this struggle BTW).
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| User: "VoiceOfReason" |
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| Title: Re: It's Science, Not a Freak Show |
12 May 2005 04:35:22 AM |
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Lazyike67 wrote:
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Explain how someone survives an event when the odds are against them?
Many men who hit the beach first in the Normandy Invasion survived
the entire war... they survived things that they should NOT have...
Explain this?
You answered it yourself. "The odds are against them" is the same as
saying their probability of surviving is low. "Low" is not the same as
zero. The survivors were just part of the population that survived.
Sure, some people will thank God that they survived, and say they were
"meant" to survive, or some such thing. IMO that's more a factor of
wanting to address "survivor's guilt" than anything else.
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| User: "shane" |
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| Title: Re: It's Science, Not a Freak Show |
12 May 2005 06:07:48 AM |
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Lazyike67 wrote:
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Explain how someone survives an event when the odds are against them?
Many men who hit the beach first in the Normandy Invasion survived
the entire war... they survived things that they should NOT have...
Explain this?
Ike
Well if they were not in the path of a bullet, or exploding shrapnel,
and didn't come down with any disease, please explain what else was
there that should have caused them NOT to survive? (IIRC the number of
bullets expended in WWII for each dead soldier was something in the
order of 5,000. (It was less in WWI, and rose to over 50,000 in Vietnam)).
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shane
And the truth shall set you free.
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| User: "Robert J. Kolker" |
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| Title: Re: It's Science, Not a Freak Show |
12 May 2005 06:21:24 AM |
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shane wrote:
Well if they were not in the path of a bullet, or exploding shrapnel,
and didn't come down with any disease, please explain what else was
there that should have caused them NOT to survive? (IIRC the number of
bullets expended in WWII for each dead soldier was something in the
order of 5,000. (It was less in WWI, and rose to over 50,000 in Vietnam)).
At a distance of 300 feet, in the heat of battle it is a lot easier to
miss a man than to hit him. Except for snipers, infantrymen do not have
leisure and peace to brace themselves (as in a prone or bench shot) and
slowly squeeze off rounds. It is shoot, duck, run. Not conducive to
accuracy.
Bob Kolker
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