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Religions > Atheism |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" |
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08 Jan 2005 09:03:49 PM |
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I've given birth! |
After four drafts and 120,000 words thrown in the trash. He's 59 chapters
long and weighs 82,300 words.
Now if I can just con a publisher into buying this sucker...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: I've given birth! |
19 Jan 2005 09:37:29 AM |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:07:30 -0600, wrote
(in article <indru094ar78c7hpkaha36hncdrvenctgm@4ax.com>):
snip
Interesting thing I've discovered about myself is I'll write whole chunks
that are "back story" for a character which don't actually belong *in the
novel but needed to be written anyway. That's what happened to the first
couple of drafts of the just finished beast. I threw two out (some 110,000
words total) and most of the material ended up being in the "background"
of the final version.
Creating the whole character? It makes sense.
Or the whole background for a scene or the entire book. I know that a number
of writers have written entire novels worth of background material that gets
reduced to just a few sentences, yet without working within that background
the entire story would fail. And because the writer, or writers, have that
background in mind while writing the rest of the story you pick up on that
background and are aware of it as well. (I know that Larry Niven and Jerry
Pournelle do this quite often in their collaborations.)
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"Nothing can stand up to atheistic critical examination. You guys are the
proctologists of Religion." - angelicusrex
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: I've given birth! |
21 Jan 2005 08:19:47 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:37:29 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:07:30 -0600, wrote
(in article <indru094ar78c7hpkaha36hncdrvenctgm@4ax.com>):
snip
Interesting thing I've discovered about myself is I'll write whole chunks
that are "back story" for a character which don't actually belong *in the
novel but needed to be written anyway. That's what happened to the first
couple of drafts of the just finished beast. I threw two out (some 110,000
words total) and most of the material ended up being in the "background"
of the final version.
Creating the whole character? It makes sense.
Or the whole background for a scene or the entire book. I know that a number
of writers have written entire novels worth of background material that gets
reduced to just a few sentences, yet without working within that background
the entire story would fail. And because the writer, or writers, have that
background in mind while writing the rest of the story you pick up on that
background and are aware of it as well. (I know that Larry Niven and Jerry
Pournelle do this quite often in their collaborations.)
I don't understand why I didn't already know that.
It works surprisingly well.
It also gets the juices flowing and makes it difficult to stop typing.
atheist@home#1554
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: I've given birth! |
22 Jan 2005 12:27:08 PM |
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In our last episode <fud3v0lqn7nn5qc52ilnrkr6v3qphhcg8i@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:37:29 -0600, Harry F. Leopold <hleopold@coxyx.net>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:07:30 -0600, wrote (in article
<indru094ar78c7hpkaha36hncdrvenctgm@4ax.com>):
snip
Interesting thing I've discovered about myself is I'll write whole
chunks that are "back story" for a character which don't actually
belong *in the novel but needed to be written anyway. That's what
happened to the first couple of drafts of the just finished beast. I
threw two out (some 110,000 words total) and most of the material
ended up being in the "background" of the final version.
Creating the whole character? It makes sense.
Or the whole background for a scene or the entire book. I know that a
number of writers have written entire novels worth of background material
that gets reduced to just a few sentences, yet without working within
that background the entire story would fail. And because the writer, or
writers, have that background in mind while writing the rest of the story
you pick up on that background and are aware of it as well. (I know that
Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle do this quite often in their
collaborations.)
I don't understand why I didn't already know that. It works surprisingly
well.
It also gets the juices flowing and makes it difficult to stop typing.
Tell me about it.
<applies more Icy Hot>
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: I've given birth! |
22 Jan 2005 09:20:57 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:27:08 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <fud3v0lqn7nn5qc52ilnrkr6v3qphhcg8i@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:37:29 -0600, Harry F. Leopold <hleopold@coxyx.net>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:07:30 -0600, wrote (in article
<indru094ar78c7hpkaha36hncdrvenctgm@4ax.com>):
snip
Interesting thing I've discovered about myself is I'll write whole
chunks that are "back story" for a character which don't actually
belong *in the novel but needed to be written anyway. That's what
happened to the first couple of drafts of the just finished beast. I
threw two out (some 110,000 words total) and most of the material
ended up being in the "background" of the final version.
Creating the whole character? It makes sense.
Or the whole background for a scene or the entire book. I know that a
number of writers have written entire novels worth of background material
that gets reduced to just a few sentences, yet without working within
that background the entire story would fail. And because the writer, or
writers, have that background in mind while writing the rest of the story
you pick up on that background and are aware of it as well. (I know that
Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle do this quite often in their
collaborations.)
I don't understand why I didn't already know that. It works surprisingly
well.
It also gets the juices flowing and makes it difficult to stop typing.
Tell me about it.
<applies more Icy Hot>
Lol!
I also had to sleep late for two days to recover.
atheist@home#1554
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: I've given birth! |
23 Jan 2005 09:14:07 AM |
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In our last episode <s366v0hj50nvhfgnmgp5ksqi024r7h2dsr@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:27:08 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <fud3v0lqn7nn5qc52ilnrkr6v3qphhcg8i@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:37:29 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:07:30 -0600, wrote (in article
<indru094ar78c7hpkaha36hncdrvenctgm@4ax.com>):
snip
Interesting thing I've discovered about myself is I'll write whole
chunks that are "back story" for a character which don't actually
belong *in the novel but needed to be written anyway. That's what
happened to the first couple of drafts of the just finished beast. I
threw two out (some 110,000 words total) and most of the material
ended up being in the "background" of the final version.
Creating the whole character? It makes sense.
Or the whole background for a scene or the entire book. I know that a
number of writers have written entire novels worth of background
material that gets reduced to just a few sentences, yet without working
within that background the entire story would fail. And because the
writer, or writers, have that background in mind while writing the rest
of the story you pick up on that background and are aware of it as
well. (I know that Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle do this quite often
in their collaborations.)
I don't understand why I didn't already know that. It works
surprisingly well.
It also gets the juices flowing and makes it difficult to stop typing.
Tell me about it.
<applies more Icy Hot>
Lol!
I also had to sleep late for two days to recover.
The contra position is worse. I haven't managed any writing since
Thursday. I'm getting mean and difficult to live with...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: I've given birth! |
23 Jan 2005 02:39:22 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:14:07 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <s366v0hj50nvhfgnmgp5ksqi024r7h2dsr@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:27:08 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <fud3v0lqn7nn5qc52ilnrkr6v3qphhcg8i@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:37:29 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:07:30 -0600, wrote (in article
<indru094ar78c7hpkaha36hncdrvenctgm@4ax.com>):
snip
Interesting thing I've discovered about myself is I'll write whole
chunks that are "back story" for a character which don't actually
belong *in the novel but needed to be written anyway. That's what
happened to the first couple of drafts of the just finished beast. I
threw two out (some 110,000 words total) and most of the material
ended up being in the "background" of the final version.
Creating the whole character? It makes sense.
Or the whole background for a scene or the entire book. I know that a
number of writers have written entire novels worth of background
material that gets reduced to just a few sentences, yet without working
within that background the entire story would fail. And because the
writer, or writers, have that background in mind while writing the rest
of the story you pick up on that background and are aware of it as
well. (I know that Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle do this quite often
in their collaborations.)
I don't understand why I didn't already know that. It works
surprisingly well.
It also gets the juices flowing and makes it difficult to stop typing.
Tell me about it.
<applies more Icy Hot>
Lol!
I also had to sleep late for two days to recover.
The contra position is worse. I haven't managed any writing since
Thursday. I'm getting mean and difficult to live with...
"Contra position?"
I tried it again last night and set a time limit.
The time limit didn't work but I've broken the old habit of getting
stuck on a word or expression and re-reading every paragraph over and
over.
It's less like work now and more like fun :-)
It's amazing how well it works.
Geeze...all that wasted time over something so simple.
atheist@home#1554
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: I've given birth! |
24 Jan 2005 10:36:18 AM |
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In our last episode <la28v0pbe80er8dbredefsoodv86ldfv4o@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:14:07 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <s366v0hj50nvhfgnmgp5ksqi024r7h2dsr@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:27:08 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <fud3v0lqn7nn5qc52ilnrkr6v3qphhcg8i@4ax.com>,
atheist lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:37:29 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:07:30 -0600, wrote (in
article <indru094ar78c7hpkaha36hncdrvenctgm@4ax.com>):
snip
Interesting thing I've discovered about myself is I'll write whole
chunks that are "back story" for a character which don't actually
belong *in the novel but needed to be written anyway. That's what
happened to the first couple of drafts of the just finished beast.
I threw two out (some 110,000 words total) and most of the
material ended up being in the "background" of the final version.
Creating the whole character? It makes sense.
Or the whole background for a scene or the entire book. I know that a
number of writers have written entire novels worth of background
material that gets reduced to just a few sentences, yet without
working within that background the entire story would fail. And
because the writer, or writers, have that background in mind while
writing the rest of the story you pick up on that background and are
aware of it as well. (I know that Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle do
this quite often in their collaborations.)
I don't understand why I didn't already know that. It works
surprisingly well.
It also gets the juices flowing and makes it difficult to stop
typing.
Tell me about it.
<applies more Icy Hot>
Lol!
I also had to sleep late for two days to recover.
The contra position is worse. I haven't managed any writing since
Thursday. I'm getting mean and difficult to live with...
"Contra position?"
I can't rite wright. At least not this weak.
I tried it again last night and set a time limit. The time limit didn't
work but I've broken the old habit of getting stuck on a word or
expression and re-reading every paragraph over and over.
It's less like work now and more like fun :-) It's amazing how well it
works.
I'm definitely of the "damn the torpedoes" school of writing. <G>
Anything can be fixed in rewrites. Getting the ideas down when they're
fresh matters more to me. Especially because I tend to write in "bursts."
Even in tech writing I could spend *days doing pretty much nothing then
just, out of the blue, start writing like a maniac. I have no idea why and
it annoys the crap out of me.
When I used to do books for Que Corp., I actually had to maintain a
spreadsheet kind of thing, tracking page and word count. *Force myself to
do things in a more "paced" way. I had to. I tend to burn myself out on a
project.
Fiction, though, I can't do that way. I'm stuck with my absurd "work
habits."
Geeze...all that wasted time over something so simple.
It's a weird profession (well, I *hope it becomes my profession, I don't
want to stay "hobbyist" too long <g>).
And there are no hard and fast rules. What works for one author doesn't
for another. Some folks I've known have very "normal" work habits. Others
are just *weird.
I seem to fall into the latter category myself...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "" |
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24 Jan 2005 09:06:03 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:36:18 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <la28v0pbe80er8dbredefsoodv86ldfv4o@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:14:07 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <s366v0hj50nvhfgnmgp5ksqi024r7h2dsr@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:27:08 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <fud3v0lqn7nn5qc52ilnrkr6v3qphhcg8i@4ax.com>,
atheist lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:37:29 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:07:30 -0600, wrote (in
article <indru094ar78c7hpkaha36hncdrvenctgm@4ax.com>):
snip
Interesting thing I've discovered about myself is I'll write whole
chunks that are "back story" for a character which don't actually
belong *in the novel but needed to be written anyway. That's what
happened to the first couple of drafts of the just finished beast.
I threw two out (some 110,000 words total) and most of the
material ended up being in the "background" of the final version.
Creating the whole character? It makes sense.
Or the whole background for a scene or the entire book. I know that a
number of writers have written entire novels worth of background
material that gets reduced to just a few sentences, yet without
working within that background the entire story would fail. And
because the writer, or writers, have that background in mind while
writing the rest of the story you pick up on that background and are
aware of it as well. (I know that Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle do
this quite often in their collaborations.)
I don't understand why I didn't already know that. It works
surprisingly well.
It also gets the juices flowing and makes it difficult to stop
typing.
Tell me about it.
<applies more Icy Hot>
Lol!
I also had to sleep late for two days to recover.
The contra position is worse. I haven't managed any writing since
Thursday. I'm getting mean and difficult to live with...
"Contra position?"
I can't rite wright. At least not this weak.
Lol!
I've been dealing with that for some time.
I tried it again last night and set a time limit. The time limit didn't
work but I've broken the old habit of getting stuck on a word or
expression and re-reading every paragraph over and over.
It's less like work now and more like fun :-) It's amazing how well it
works.
I'm definitely of the "damn the torpedoes" school of writing. <G>
I'll be doing it again tonight.
Anything can be fixed in rewrites. Getting the ideas down when they're
fresh matters more to me. Especially because I tend to write in "bursts."
Even in tech writing I could spend *days doing pretty much nothing then
just, out of the blue, start writing like a maniac. I have no idea why and
it annoys the crap out of me.
I took an english class at a local private university a few years ago
and couldn't write a thing assigned until a night or two before it was
due.
Then it would all seem to be there just waiting to be written down.
When I used to do books for Que Corp., I actually had to maintain a
spreadsheet kind of thing, tracking page and word count. *Force myself to
do things in a more "paced" way. I had to. I tend to burn myself out on a
project.
Fiction, though, I can't do that way. I'm stuck with my absurd "work
habits."
All I can say is apparently it works.
Geeze...all that wasted time over something so simple.
It's a weird profession (well, I *hope it becomes my profession, I don't
want to stay "hobbyist" too long <g>).
And there are no hard and fast rules. What works for one author doesn't
for another. Some folks I've known have very "normal" work habits. Others
are just *weird.
I seem to fall into the latter category myself...
It's working for me.
I'm actually getting more ideas for different stories as I write.
I'm enjoying the hell out of it.
atheist@home#1554
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: I've given birth! |
25 Jan 2005 08:34:22 AM |
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In our last episode <at7bv09lg8rnjijbirfrc2ud3oqkeaqf2l@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:36:18 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <la28v0pbe80er8dbredefsoodv86ldfv4o@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:14:07 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <s366v0hj50nvhfgnmgp5ksqi024r7h2dsr@4ax.com>,
atheist lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:27:08 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <fud3v0lqn7nn5qc52ilnrkr6v3qphhcg8i@4ax.com>,
atheist lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:37:29 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:07:30 -0600, wrote (in
article <indru094ar78c7hpkaha36hncdrvenctgm@4ax.com>):
snip
Interesting thing I've discovered about myself is I'll write
whole chunks that are "back story" for a character which don't
actually belong *in the novel but needed to be written anyway.
That's what happened to the first couple of drafts of the just
finished beast. I threw two out (some 110,000 words total) and
most of the material ended up being in the "background" of the
final version.
Creating the whole character? It makes sense.
Or the whole background for a scene or the entire book. I know that
a number of writers have written entire novels worth of background
material that gets reduced to just a few sentences, yet without
working within that background the entire story would fail. And
because the writer, or writers, have that background in mind while
writing the rest of the story you pick up on that background and
are aware of it as well. (I know that Larry Niven and Jerry
Pournelle do this quite often in their collaborations.)
I don't understand why I didn't already know that. It works
surprisingly well.
It also gets the juices flowing and makes it difficult to stop
typing.
Tell me about it.
<applies more Icy Hot>
Lol!
I also had to sleep late for two days to recover.
The contra position is worse. I haven't managed any writing since
Thursday. I'm getting mean and difficult to live with...
"Contra position?"
I can't rite wright. At least not this weak.
Lol!
I've been dealing with that for some time.
I'm just nuts right now. What little I manage, I hate. Most is tossed the
next time I sit down. I'm *so stalled right now I yelled at the dogs.
I'm going to go stand over there and beat my head against the wall a while.
I tried it again last night and set a time limit. The time limit didn't
work but I've broken the old habit of getting stuck on a word or
expression and re-reading every paragraph over and over. It's less like
work now and more like fun :-) It's amazing how well it works.
I'm definitely of the "damn the torpedoes" school of writing. <G>
I'll be doing it again tonight.
Anything can be fixed in rewrites. Getting the ideas down when they're
fresh matters more to me. Especially because I tend to write in "bursts."
Even in tech writing I could spend *days doing pretty much nothing then
just, out of the blue, start writing like a maniac. I have no idea why
and it annoys the crap out of me.
I took an english class at a local private university a few years ago and
couldn't write a thing assigned until a night or two before it was due.
Then it would all seem to be there just waiting to be written down.
The "subconscious" is a devious *****.
When I used to do books for Que Corp., I actually had to maintain a
spreadsheet kind of thing, tracking page and word count. *Force myself to
do things in a more "paced" way. I had to. I tend to burn myself out on a
project.
Fiction, though, I can't do that way. I'm stuck with my absurd "work
habits."
All I can say is apparently it works.
Does for some. Though I've known writers who work at nice, even paces of
a page or so a day and steadily make their way through a book, ending with
a near final draft.
I hate them.
Geeze...all that wasted time over something so simple.
It's a weird profession (well, I *hope it becomes my profession, I don't
want to stay "hobbyist" too long <g>).
And there are no hard and fast rules. What works for one author doesn't
for another. Some folks I've known have very "normal" work habits.
Others are just *weird.
I seem to fall into the latter category myself...
It's working for me.
I'm actually getting more ideas for different stories as I write. I'm
enjoying the hell out of it.
First, most important thing in my opinion is write for yourself. Getting
published can be such a crap shoot. So if you're not having fun, you can
end up miserable *and not published. If you are having fun, you may not
sell the work but at *least you had *fun. <G>
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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25 Jan 2005 02:26:20 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:34:22 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <at7bv09lg8rnjijbirfrc2ud3oqkeaqf2l@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:36:18 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <la28v0pbe80er8dbredefsoodv86ldfv4o@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:14:07 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <s366v0hj50nvhfgnmgp5ksqi024r7h2dsr@4ax.com>,
atheist lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:27:08 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <fud3v0lqn7nn5qc52ilnrkr6v3qphhcg8i@4ax.com>,
atheist lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:37:29 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:07:30 -0600, wrote (in
article <indru094ar78c7hpkaha36hncdrvenctgm@4ax.com>):
snip
Interesting thing I've discovered about myself is I'll write
whole chunks that are "back story" for a character which don't
actually belong *in the novel but needed to be written anyway.
That's what happened to the first couple of drafts of the just
finished beast. I threw two out (some 110,000 words total) and
most of the material ended up being in the "background" of the
final version.
Creating the whole character? It makes sense.
Or the whole background for a scene or the entire book. I know that
a number of writers have written entire novels worth of background
material that gets reduced to just a few sentences, yet without
working within that background the entire story would fail. And
because the writer, or writers, have that background in mind while
writing the rest of the story you pick up on that background and
are aware of it as well. (I know that Larry Niven and Jerry
Pournelle do this quite often in their collaborations.)
I don't understand why I didn't already know that. It works
surprisingly well.
It also gets the juices flowing and makes it difficult to stop
typing.
Tell me about it.
<applies more Icy Hot>
Lol!
I also had to sleep late for two days to recover.
The contra position is worse. I haven't managed any writing since
Thursday. I'm getting mean and difficult to live with...
"Contra position?"
I can't rite wright. At least not this weak.
Lol!
I've been dealing with that for some time.
I'm just nuts right now. What little I manage, I hate. Most is tossed the
next time I sit down. I'm *so stalled right now I yelled at the dogs.
I'm going to go stand over there and beat my head against the wall a while.
I tried it again last night and set a time limit. The time limit didn't
work but I've broken the old habit of getting stuck on a word or
expression and re-reading every paragraph over and over. It's less like
work now and more like fun :-) It's amazing how well it works.
I'm definitely of the "damn the torpedoes" school of writing. <G>
I'll be doing it again tonight.
Anything can be fixed in rewrites. Getting the ideas down when they're
fresh matters more to me. Especially because I tend to write in "bursts."
Even in tech writing I could spend *days doing pretty much nothing then
just, out of the blue, start writing like a maniac. I have no idea why
and it annoys the crap out of me.
I took an english class at a local private university a few years ago and
couldn't write a thing assigned until a night or two before it was due.
Then it would all seem to be there just waiting to be written down.
The "subconscious" is a devious *****.
When I used to do books for Que Corp., I actually had to maintain a
spreadsheet kind of thing, tracking page and word count. *Force myself to
do things in a more "paced" way. I had to. I tend to burn myself out on a
project.
Fiction, though, I can't do that way. I'm stuck with my absurd "work
habits."
All I can say is apparently it works.
Does for some. Though I've known writers who work at nice, even paces of
a page or so a day and steadily make their way through a book, ending with
a near final draft.
I hate them.
I understand, on average, Merceedes Lackey rewrites her books forty
times. No wonder she writes so tight.
Terry Goodkind is a level or two above Lackey. The man is phenominal.
Geeze...all that wasted time over something so simple.
It's a weird profession (well, I *hope it becomes my profession, I don't
want to stay "hobbyist" too long <g>).
And there are no hard and fast rules. What works for one author doesn't
for another. Some folks I've known have very "normal" work habits.
Others are just *weird.
I seem to fall into the latter category myself...
It's working for me.
I'm actually getting more ideas for different stories as I write. I'm
enjoying the hell out of it.
First, most important thing in my opinion is write for yourself. Getting
published can be such a crap shoot. So if you're not having fun, you can
end up miserable *and not published. If you are having fun, you may not
sell the work but at *least you had *fun. <G>
Have fun, but work outside your 'comfort level.' Such changes the
tenor of your work as it generates different verbage.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:34:22 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <at7bv09lg8rnjijbirfrc2ud3oqkeaqf2l@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:36:18 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <la28v0pbe80er8dbredefsoodv86ldfv4o@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:14:07 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <s366v0hj50nvhfgnmgp5ksqi024r7h2dsr@4ax.com>,
atheist lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:27:08 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <fud3v0lqn7nn5qc52ilnrkr6v3qphhcg8i@4ax.com>,
atheist lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:37:29 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:07:30 -0600, wrote (in
article <indru094ar78c7hpkaha36hncdrvenctgm@4ax.com>):
snip
Interesting thing I've discovered about myself is I'll write
whole chunks that are "back story" for a character which don't
actually belong *in the novel but needed to be written anyway.
That's what happened to the first couple of drafts of the just
finished beast. I threw two out (some 110,000 words total) and
most of the material ended up being in the "background" of the
final version.
Creating the whole character? It makes sense.
Or the whole background for a scene or the entire book. I know that
a number of writers have written entire novels worth of background
material that gets reduced to just a few sentences, yet without
working within that background the entire story would fail. And
because the writer, or writers, have that background in mind while
writing the rest of the story you pick up on that background and
are aware of it as well. (I know that Larry Niven and Jerry
Pournelle do this quite often in their collaborations.)
I don't understand why I didn't already know that. It works
surprisingly well.
It also gets the juices flowing and makes it difficult to stop
typing.
Tell me about it.
<applies more Icy Hot>
Lol!
I also had to sleep late for two days to recover.
The contra position is worse. I haven't managed any writing since
Thursday. I'm getting mean and difficult to live with...
"Contra position?"
I can't rite wright. At least not this weak.
Lol!
I've been dealing with that for some time.
I'm just nuts right now. What little I manage, I hate. Most is tossed the
next time I sit down. I'm *so stalled right now I yelled at the dogs.
I'm going to go stand over there and beat my head against the wall a while.
What I think I've learned in the past few days is that sometimes we
can try too hard.
Any chance that's what you're doing?
I tried it again last night and set a time limit. The time limit didn't
work but I've broken the old habit of getting stuck on a word or
expression and re-reading every paragraph over and over. It's less like
work now and more like fun :-) It's amazing how well it works.
I'm definitely of the "damn the torpedoes" school of writing. <G>
I'll be doing it again tonight.
Anything can be fixed in rewrites. Getting the ideas down when they're
fresh matters more to me. Especially because I tend to write in "bursts."
Even in tech writing I could spend *days doing pretty much nothing then
just, out of the blue, start writing like a maniac. I have no idea why
and it annoys the crap out of me.
I took an english class at a local private university a few years ago and
couldn't write a thing assigned until a night or two before it was due.
Then it would all seem to be there just waiting to be written down.
The "subconscious" is a devious *****.
That it is.
Mine caused me problems when I was in the fire department because I
would wake up during the night laughing my arse off over something
that just popped up in my sleep and I would wake up everybody in the
bunk hall.
When I *was* writing I would wake up with plot lines and songs.
To tell the truth it's a pain in the arse.
When I used to do books for Que Corp., I actually had to maintain a
spreadsheet kind of thing, tracking page and word count. *Force myself to
do things in a more "paced" way. I had to. I tend to burn myself out on a
project.
Fiction, though, I can't do that way. I'm stuck with my absurd "work
habits."
All I can say is apparently it works.
Does for some. Though I've known writers who work at nice, even paces of
a page or so a day and steadily make their way through a book, ending with
a near final draft.
I hate them.
Or envy them? ;-)
I'm not going to try that anymore.
I once found a photo on the net of a few handwritten paragraphs of a
story that Twain had started but couldn't finish.
He couldn't find the *right* words and gave up in exasperation.
Until then I would never have dreamed such a thing could happen to
Him.
http://www.w2mw.org/marktwain.htm
Geeze...all that wasted time over something so simple.
It's a weird profession (well, I *hope it becomes my profession, I don't
want to stay "hobbyist" too long <g>).
And there are no hard and fast rules. What works for one author doesn't
for another. Some folks I've known have very "normal" work habits.
Others are just *weird.
I seem to fall into the latter category myself...
It's working for me.
I'm actually getting more ideas for different stories as I write. I'm
enjoying the hell out of it.
First, most important thing in my opinion is write for yourself. Getting
published can be such a crap shoot. So if you're not having fun, you can
end up miserable *and not published. If you are having fun, you may not
sell the work but at *least you had *fun. <G>
I am actually having fun again and I also believe the cobwebs that
have collected in my mind over the last three years are being shaken
loose.
This technique of writing just for the sake of writing is a pretty
good intellectual exercise.
atheist@home#1554
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26 Jan 2005 01:39:01 PM |
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In our last episode <u2hdv0hbsmgp6kcvo4366vbsfl7iqmd86i@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:34:22 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Does for some. Though I've known writers who work at nice, even paces of
a page or so a day and steadily make their way through a book, ending
with a near final draft.
I hate them.
Or envy them? ;-)
You know, not particularly. Some of my best stuff comes out of those
torrents. I've developed enough skill that the sedate writing isn't "bad,"
it's just that it's often not... inspired?
I'm not going to try that anymore.
I once found a photo on the net of a few handwritten paragraphs of a story
that Twain had started but couldn't finish. He couldn't find the *right*
words and gave up in exasperation. Until then I would never have dreamed
such a thing could happen to Him.
I think it happens to *everybody. I bet Shakespeare had *tons of stuff he
never could finish...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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27 Jan 2005 05:47:25 PM |
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:39:01 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <u2hdv0hbsmgp6kcvo4366vbsfl7iqmd86i@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:34:22 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Does for some. Though I've known writers who work at nice, even paces of
a page or so a day and steadily make their way through a book, ending
with a near final draft.
I hate them.
Or envy them? ;-)
You know, not particularly. Some of my best stuff comes out of those
torrents. I've developed enough skill that the sedate writing isn't "bad,"
it's just that it's often not... inspired?
Does it get boring?
I'm not going to try that anymore.
I once found a photo on the net of a few handwritten paragraphs of a story
that Twain had started but couldn't finish. He couldn't find the *right*
words and gave up in exasperation. Until then I would never have dreamed
such a thing could happen to Him.
I think it happens to *everybody. I bet Shakespeare had *tons of stuff he
never could finish...
I suspect most serious writers have a lot of things they would like to
eventually finish.
Many also borrow from stuff they've written in the past but that
didn't seem to fit anywhere.
I've located some of my old stuff, much of which consists of character
outlines and phrases without any particular direction but things I
felt at the time might be useful in the future.
Some is just dialog between charactors that was written without any
particular plot in mind.
I'm afraid I've decided to get serious about it and am on my third
night I believe without any sleep.
I should be coming up with some pretty strange stuff pretty soon :-)
atheist@home#1554
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27 Jan 2005 06:18:49 PM |
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In our last episode <eouiv018prk7mc1u02e66eh20jjo67i5th@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:39:01 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <u2hdv0hbsmgp6kcvo4366vbsfl7iqmd86i@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:34:22 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Does for some. Though I've known writers who work at nice, even paces
of a page or so a day and steadily make their way through a book,
ending with a near final draft.
I hate them.
Or envy them? ;-)
You know, not particularly. Some of my best stuff comes out of those
torrents. I've developed enough skill that the sedate writing isn't
"bad," it's just that it's often not... inspired?
Does it get boring?
Yeah. I'm having a bored phase right now. Donwanna, donwanna,
donwaaaanaaaaa!
I'm not going to try that anymore.
I once found a photo on the net of a few handwritten paragraphs of a
story that Twain had started but couldn't finish. He couldn't find the
*right* words and gave up in exasperation. Until then I would never
have dreamed such a thing could happen to Him.
I think it happens to *everybody. I bet Shakespeare had *tons of stuff he
never could finish...
I suspect most serious writers have a lot of things they would like to
eventually finish.
Many also borrow from stuff they've written in the past but that didn't
seem to fit anywhere.
I've located some of my old stuff, much of which consists of character
outlines and phrases without any particular direction but things I felt at
the time might be useful in the future. Some is just dialog between
charactors that was written without any particular plot in mind.
I'm afraid I've decided to get serious about it and am on my third night I
believe without any sleep.
I should be coming up with some pretty strange stuff pretty soon :-)
Don't go too long without sleep. It's not all that hard to end up
babbling.
(Trust me)
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
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25 Jan 2005 07:02:29 PM |
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In our last episode <u2hdv0hbsmgp6kcvo4366vbsfl7iqmd86i@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
What I think I've learned in the past few days is that sometimes we can
try too hard.
Any chance that's what you're doing?
I'm having pacing problems. I have to slow things down. I'm aiming at 60K
and I'm sitting at about 23,000 right now. But everything I *want to write
would put me at the half way point. Which would make for too short a book.
Something's missing and I don't know *what...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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27 Jan 2005 05:32:04 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:02:29 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <u2hdv0hbsmgp6kcvo4366vbsfl7iqmd86i@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
What I think I've learned in the past few days is that sometimes we can
try too hard.
Any chance that's what you're doing?
I'm having pacing problems. I have to slow things down. I'm aiming at 60K
and I'm sitting at about 23,000 right now. But everything I *want to write
would put me at the half way point. Which would make for too short a book.
Something's missing and I don't know *what...
The rest of the story?
Maybe you just need some fillers to take up a little space?
Or put it down for a bit.
Hang in there.
atheist@home#1554
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27 Jan 2005 06:20:22 PM |
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In our last episode <entiv059gm08rneqar9tauhq2j5f7r3enl@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:02:29 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <u2hdv0hbsmgp6kcvo4366vbsfl7iqmd86i@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
What I think I've learned in the past few days is that sometimes we can
try too hard.
Any chance that's what you're doing?
I'm having pacing problems. I have to slow things down. I'm aiming at 60K
and I'm sitting at about 23,000 right now. But everything I *want to
write would put me at the half way point. Which would make for too short
a book. Something's missing and I don't know *what...
The rest of the story?
Maybe you just need some fillers to take up a little space? Or put it down
for a bit.
Hang in there.
I'm just being petulant. I want to go back to the main character of the
last book. He was more *fun.
<grump>
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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27 Jan 2005 09:41:30 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:20:22 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <entiv059gm08rneqar9tauhq2j5f7r3enl@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:02:29 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <u2hdv0hbsmgp6kcvo4366vbsfl7iqmd86i@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
What I think I've learned in the past few days is that sometimes we can
try too hard.
Any chance that's what you're doing?
I'm having pacing problems. I have to slow things down. I'm aiming at 60K
and I'm sitting at about 23,000 right now. But everything I *want to
write would put me at the half way point. Which would make for too short
a book. Something's missing and I don't know *what...
The rest of the story?
Maybe you just need some fillers to take up a little space? Or put it down
for a bit.
Hang in there.
I'm just being petulant. I want to go back to the main character of the
last book. He was more *fun.
Most of my charactors are real.
And most imo are fun.
My favorite uncle, the closest thing to a father I ever had, spent a
year at a prison farm in Arkansas in the early sixties.
It was during a time when local law enforcement <"them damn laws"> set
up "yankee traps" to catch out of town motorists whom they charged
with certain trumped up crimes and who were then sentenced to
"eleven-twenty-nine" on the farm and rented out to local farmers for
profit or made to work the prison farm where the produce they hauled
in was sold on the open market for the benefit of the people who ran
the system.
One poor yankee fool, newly arrived, kept going on about his "rights"
insisting he wasn't going to lift a finger.
He was told by the other prisoners to shut up but he didn't have it in
him at that point.
He was sent to the fields and told to pick 75 lbs of cotton.
He refused and was put in the tank.
The tank was a devious contraption, exactly what the name implies,
with a hand pump in the floor piped to the outside.
The prisoner was placed inside and the tank began to fill with water.
The yank thought surely they were bluffing until the water reached his
chin at which point he began pumping for all he was worth.
After a couple of hours they let him out and he was again ordered to
pick 75lbs.
He agreed to do so.
He picked fifty and was sent to the wardens office where he received
twenty-five licks on his bare back with the warden's leather belt.
The next day he was told again to pick 75lbs, finished the day with
sixty-five and received ten licks.
The next day, the same order for 75 and he picked 85.
That was good for another ten licks.
Now everytime the warden hit the prisoner he was required to shout "Oh
warden!"
On the last lick he had to jump up and shout "Thank ye warden!" and be
on his way out the door or start all over.
It was brutal.
They used a crank telephone connected to the genitals to extract
signed confessions for imaginary rule infractions guaranteeing the
victim wouldn't be paroled and over time shot and killed a number of
troublesome prisoners.
The feds did an investigation sometime during the mid to late sixties
and "The ground coughed up some roots,
Wearing denim shirts and boots,
In the clay."
My understanding is they never dug up "bunker hill."
That it's sort of a secret among the locals, many of whom were farmers
at the time and somewhat involved in the enterprise.
One of the farms had a head guard named Cap'n Red.
He was a mean *****.
He would beat a man for looking funny, for talking funny or for
looking him in the eye.
He would beat a man for moving too slow, moving too fast, or on the
general principle that the "sonofabitch just needed a beatin."
The bus transporting new prisoners would stop on the wooden bridge
leading to the farm and the captain would forcefully tell the
prisoners to "Leave all yer gawddamn I cain't's on this side a th'
gawdamn bridge."
It was a good idea to take his advice.
One day Cap'n Red caught a load of buckshot from a prisoner who
had worked his ***** off to earn the post of "trustee."
A trustee was a prisoner, a good ol' boy, a man who just wanted to do
his time, never caused any trouble and could be trusted to carry a
loaded shotgun standing guard over the other prisoners.
This trustee didn't particularly want the post...he wanted the
shotgun.
He wanted Cap'n Red.
Cap'n Red had dissed him in front of his friends and beaten him like a
yard dog when he protested.
Can't let that kind of thing go.
Can't let it go and hold your head up.
He worked very hard at being "good."
Followed the rules....licked his nature...licked their boots....
Got the post...got the shotgun...got the Cap'n...and got the chair.
High price to pay for a little respect.
Or maybe not.
That's what I want to write about.
The true stuff that nobody will believe.
Didn't mean to go so long.
But it's your fault, suck it up ;-)
That's the sort of stuff I've been writing about the past few days.
Just idle thoughts that may or may not mean a damn thing.
Stories I think *should* be told.
Was it at all interesting?
atheist@home#1554
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29 Jan 2005 08:35:18 AM |
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In our last episode <jr3jv0936280k7tgjtm5dokah7bs98vsh5@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
That's what I want to write about.
The true stuff that nobody will believe.
Heh. Reality actually is *much stranger than fiction. <g>
Didn't mean to go so long.
But it's your fault, suck it up ;-)
That's the sort of stuff I've been writing about the past few days. Just
idle thoughts that may or may not mean a damn thing. Stories I think
*should* be told.
Was it at all interesting?
Disturbing. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be told. In fact, that
probably means it *should be...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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29 Jan 2005 05:18:13 PM |
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:35:18 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <jr3jv0936280k7tgjtm5dokah7bs98vsh5@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
That's what I want to write about.
The true stuff that nobody will believe.
Heh. Reality actually is *much stranger than fiction. <g>
Didn't mean to go so long.
But it's your fault, suck it up ;-)
That's the sort of stuff I've been writing about the past few days. Just
idle thoughts that may or may not mean a damn thing. Stories I think
*should* be told.
Was it at all interesting?
Disturbing. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be told. In fact, that
probably means it *should be...
I agree. You get your best stuff that way.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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29 Jan 2005 08:53:33 PM |
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:18:13 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:35:18 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <jr3jv0936280k7tgjtm5dokah7bs98vsh5@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
That's what I want to write about.
The true stuff that nobody will believe.
Heh. Reality actually is *much stranger than fiction. <g>
Didn't mean to go so long.
But it's your fault, suck it up ;-)
That's the sort of stuff I've been writing about the past few days. Just
idle thoughts that may or may not mean a damn thing. Stories I think
*should* be told.
Was it at all interesting?
Disturbing. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be told. In fact, that
probably means it *should be...
I agree. You get your best stuff that way.
Strange to discover after all this time that all one has to do is
write it down.
I may actually end up finishing something.
atheist@home#1554
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: I've given birth! |
01 Feb 2005 07:37:03 AM |
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In our last episode <j1jov0p108tctmj95corlrvbpah13j7i0a@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:18:13 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:35:18 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <jr3jv0936280k7tgjtm5dokah7bs98vsh5@4ax.com>,
atheist lumbered into the room and mumbled:
That's what I want to write about.
The true stuff that nobody will believe.
Heh. Reality actually is *much stranger than fiction. <g>
Didn't mean to go so long.
But it's your fault, suck it up ;-)
That's the sort of stuff I've been writing about the past few days.
Just idle thoughts that may or may not mean a damn thing. Stories I
think *should* be told.
Was it at all interesting?
Disturbing. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be told. In fact, that
probably means it *should be...
I agree. You get your best stuff that way.
Strange to discover after all this time that all one has to do is write it
down.
Oh crap. That's what I've been forgetting to do the last week.
<G>
I may actually end up finishing something.
I may actually keep yelling at imaginary people until somebody carts me
off...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: I've given birth! |
01 Feb 2005 07:52:25 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:RfSdnSNVqd0_GWLcRVn-sw@megapath.net...
In our last episode <j1jov0p108tctmj95corlrvbpah13j7i0a@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:18:13 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:35:18 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <jr3jv0936280k7tgjtm5dokah7bs98vsh5@4ax.com>,
atheist lumbered into the room and mumbled:
That's what I want to write about.
The true stuff that nobody will believe.
Heh. Reality actually is *much stranger than fiction. <g>
Didn't mean to go so long.
But it's your fault, suck it up ;-)
That's the sort of stuff I've been writing about the past few days.
Just idle thoughts that may or may not mean a damn thing. Stories I
think *should* be told.
Was it at all interesting?
Disturbing. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be told. In fact, that
probably means it *should be...
I agree. You get your best stuff that way.
Strange to discover after all this time that all one has to do is write
it
down.
Oh crap. That's what I've been forgetting to do the last week.
<G>
I may actually end up finishing something.
I may actually keep yelling at imaginary people until somebody carts me
off...
See, this is where I'm lucky. The skulls and flowers I've been painting
lately don't talk back.................yet :)
I'm starting a Carmen Miranda one today :)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: I've given birth! |
01 Feb 2005 08:04:37 AM |
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In our last episode <369fslF4nhfmvU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lumbered
into the room and mumbled:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:RfSdnSNVqd0_GWLcRVn-sw@megapath.net...
In our last episode <j1jov0p108tctmj95corlrvbpah13j7i0a@4ax.com>,
atheist lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:18:13 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:35:18 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <jr3jv0936280k7tgjtm5dokah7bs98vsh5@4ax.com>,
atheist lumbered into the room and mumbled:
That's what I want to write about.
The true stuff that nobody will believe.
Heh. Reality actually is *much stranger than fiction. <g>
Didn't mean to go so long.
But it's your fault, suck it up ;-)
That's the sort of stuff I've been writing about the past few days.
Just idle thoughts that may or may not mean a damn thing. Stories I
think *should* be told.
Was it at all interesting?
Disturbing. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be told. In fact, that
probably means it *should be...
I agree. You get your best stuff that way.
Strange to discover after all this time that all one has to do is write
it
down.
Oh crap. That's what I've been forgetting to do the last week.
<G>
I may actually end up finishing something.
I may actually keep yelling at imaginary people until somebody carts me
off...
See, this is where I'm lucky. The skulls and flowers I've been painting
lately don't talk back.................yet :)
Of course not! Whaddya think this is? The '60s???
I'm starting a Carmen Miranda one today :)
A Carmen Miranda skeleton?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: I've given birth! |
01 Feb 2005 08:39:02 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:OLidnYh9Yb2FFmLcRVn-1Q@megapath.net...
In our last episode <369fslF4nhfmvU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lumbered
into the room and mumbled:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:RfSdnSNVqd0_GWLcRVn-sw@megapath.net...
snip
I may actually keep yelling at imaginary people until somebody carts me
off...
See, this is where I'm lucky. The skulls and flowers I've been painting
lately don't talk back.................yet :)
Of course not! Whaddya think this is? The '60s???
LOL! I do recall carrying on a conversation with a Roger Daltry poster in
high school ;)
I'm starting a Carmen Miranda one today :)
A Carmen Miranda skeleton?
Yeah! With the frutti tutti hat! :)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: I've given birth! |
01 Feb 2005 10:40:47 AM |
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On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:39:02 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:OLidnYh9Yb2FFmLcRVn-1Q@megapath.net...
In our last episode <369fslF4nhfmvU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lumbered
into the room and mumbled:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:RfSdnSNVqd0_GWLcRVn-sw@megapath.net...
snip
I may actually keep yelling at imaginary people until somebody carts me
off...
See, this is where I'm lucky. The skulls and flowers I've been painting
lately don't talk back.................yet :)
Of course not! Whaddya think this is? The '60s???
LOL! I do recall carrying on a conversation with a Roger Daltry poster in
high school ;)
OOOOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK.
Did he offer cunnelingous? (wide-eyed innocence)
I'm starting a Carmen Miranda one today :)
A Carmen Miranda skeleton?
Yeah! With the frutti tutti hat! :)
'cuz she likes it like that!
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: I've given birth! |
01 Feb 2005 10:42:47 AM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:q3cvv0h0j65g0dr21daao1h6668k97unau@4ax.com...
On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:39:02 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:OLidnYh9Yb2FFmLcRVn-1Q@megapath.net...
In our last episode <369fslF4nhfmvU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff
lumbered
into the room and mumbled:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:RfSdnSNVqd0_GWLcRVn-sw@megapath.net...
snip
I may actually keep yelling at imaginary people until somebody carts
me
off...
See, this is where I'm lucky. The skulls and flowers I've been
painting
lately don't talk back.................yet :)
Of course not! Whaddya think this is? The '60s???
LOL! I do recall carrying on a conversation with a Roger Daltry poster in
high school ;)
OOOOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK.
Did he offer cunnelingous? (wide-eyed innocence)
What the heck is up with you lately?!? :)
I'm starting a Carmen Miranda one today :)
A Carmen Miranda skeleton?
Yeah! With the frutti tutti hat! :)
'cuz she likes it like that!
Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooookay! :)
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: I've given birth! |
02 Feb 2005 10:15:14 AM |
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On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:42:47 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:q3cvv0h0j65g0dr21daao1h6668k97unau@4ax.com...
On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:39:02 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:OLidnYh9Yb2FFmLcRVn-1Q@megapath.net...
In our last episode <369fslF4nhfmvU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff
lumbered
into the room and mumbled:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:RfSdnSNVqd0_GWLcRVn-sw@megapath.net...
snip
I may actually keep yelling at imaginary people until somebody carts
me
off...
See, this is where I'm lucky. The skulls and flowers I've been
painting
lately don't talk back.................yet :)
Of course not! Whaddya think this is? The '60s???
LOL! I do recall carrying on a conversation with a Roger Daltry poster in
high school ;)
OOOOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK.
Did he offer cunnelingous? (wide-eyed innocence)
What the heck is up with you lately?!? :)
Lack of fitfull sleep for the last month or so.
I'm starting a Carmen Miranda one today :)
A Carmen Miranda skeleton?
Yeah! With the frutti tutti hat! :)
'cuz she likes it like that!
Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooookay! :)
(grin)
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: I've given birth! |
02 Feb 2005 10:14:30 AM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:21v101hg9o6433ekujc74h80jvontm7ch6@4ax.com...
On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:42:47 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:q3cvv0h0j65g0dr21daao1h6668k97unau@4ax.com...
On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:39:02 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:OLidnYh9Yb2FFmLcRVn-1Q@megapath.net...
In our last episode <369fslF4nhfmvU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff
lumbered
into the room and mumbled:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:RfSdnSNVqd0_GWLcRVn-sw@megapath.net...
snip
I may actually keep yelling at imaginary people until somebody carts
me
off...
See, this is where I'm lucky. The skulls and flowers I've been
painting
lately don't talk back.................yet :)
Of course not! Whaddya think this is? The '60s???
LOL! I do recall carrying on a conversation with a Roger Daltry poster
in
high school ;)
OOOOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK.
Did he offer cunnelingous? (wide-eyed innocence)
What the heck is up with you lately?!? :)
Lack of fitfull sleep for the last month or so.
Yikes! That must not be fun.
I'm starting a Carmen Miranda one today :)
A Carmen Miranda skeleton?
Yeah! With the frutti tutti hat! :)
'cuz she likes it like that!
Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooookay! :)
(grin)
:)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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