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"Mark K. Bilbo" |
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08 Jan 2005 09:03:49 PM |
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I've given birth! |
After four drafts and 120,000 words thrown in the trash. He's 59 chapters
long and weighs 82,300 words.
Now if I can just con a publisher into buying this sucker...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
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29 Jan 2005 08:49:11 PM |
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:35:18 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <jr3jv0936280k7tgjtm5dokah7bs98vsh5@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
That's what I want to write about.
The true stuff that nobody will believe.
Heh. Reality actually is *much stranger than fiction. <g>
You are correct.
I offer up as proof inner city Memphis on a sultry summer night when
the checks come in and the Mad Dog rules.
I transported a dead guy to the morgue one hot friday night, the
victim of a robbery who had been beaten, robbed and shot about an hour
after he had beaten, robbed and shot another guy a few blocks over.
The cases were unrelated.
Poor guy, all he wanted to do was "get paid," get laid and have fun.
Between the wailing of the victims, the wailing of the sirens and the
wailing of the perps about the injustice of being arrested when they
"ain't done nothin'" it was hard for a man to keep his sense
perspective.
Lots of interesting stories there I think.
Didn't mean to go so long.
But it's your fault, suck it up ;-)
That's the sort of stuff I've been writing about the past few days. Just
idle thoughts that may or may not mean a damn thing. Stories I think
*should* be told.
Was it at all interesting?
Disturbing. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be told. In fact, that
probably means it *should be...
This thread has been the most productive I have ever participated in.
All I want to do now is write, write, write.
I've learned a lot from this.
atheist@home#1554
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29 Jan 2005 08:56:03 AM |
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:41:30 -0600, wrote
(in article <jr3jv0936280k7tgjtm5dokah7bs98vsh5@4ax.com>):
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:20:22 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <entiv059gm08rneqar9tauhq2j5f7r3enl@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:02:29 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <u2hdv0hbsmgp6kcvo4366vbsfl7iqmd86i@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
What I think I've learned in the past few days is that sometimes we can
try too hard.
Any chance that's what you're doing?
I'm having pacing problems. I have to slow things down. I'm aiming at 60K
and I'm sitting at about 23,000 right now. But everything I *want to
write would put me at the half way point. Which would make for too short
a book. Something's missing and I don't know *what...
The rest of the story?
Maybe you just need some fillers to take up a little space? Or put it down
for a bit.
Hang in there.
I'm just being petulant. I want to go back to the main character of the
last book. He was more *fun.
Most of my charactors are real.
And most imo are fun.
My favorite uncle, the closest thing to a father I ever had, spent a
year at a prison farm in Arkansas in the early sixties.
It was during a time when local law enforcement <"them damn laws"> set
up "yankee traps" to catch out of town motorists whom they charged
with certain trumped up crimes and who were then sentenced to
"eleven-twenty-nine" on the farm and rented out to local farmers for
profit or made to work the prison farm where the produce they hauled
in was sold on the open market for the benefit of the people who ran
the system.
One poor yankee fool, newly arrived, kept going on about his "rights"
insisting he wasn't going to lift a finger.
He was told by the other prisoners to shut up but he didn't have it in
him at that point.
He was sent to the fields and told to pick 75 lbs of cotton.
He refused and was put in the tank.
The tank was a devious contraption, exactly what the name implies,
with a hand pump in the floor piped to the outside.
The prisoner was placed inside and the tank began to fill with water.
The yank thought surely they were bluffing until the water reached his
chin at which point he began pumping for all he was worth.
After a couple of hours they let him out and he was again ordered to
pick 75lbs.
He agreed to do so.
He picked fifty and was sent to the wardens office where he received
twenty-five licks on his bare back with the warden's leather belt.
The next day he was told again to pick 75lbs, finished the day with
sixty-five and received ten licks.
The next day, the same order for 75 and he picked 85.
That was good for another ten licks.
Now everytime the warden hit the prisoner he was required to shout "Oh
warden!"
On the last lick he had to jump up and shout "Thank ye warden!" and be
on his way out the door or start all over.
It was brutal.
They used a crank telephone connected to the genitals to extract
signed confessions for imaginary rule infractions guaranteeing the
victim wouldn't be paroled and over time shot and killed a number of
troublesome prisoners.
The feds did an investigation sometime during the mid to late sixties
and "The ground coughed up some roots,
Wearing denim shirts and boots,
In the clay."
My understanding is they never dug up "bunker hill."
That it's sort of a secret among the locals, many of whom were farmers
at the time and somewhat involved in the enterprise.
One of the farms had a head guard named Cap'n Red.
He was a mean *****.
He would beat a man for looking funny, for talking funny or for
looking him in the eye.
He would beat a man for moving too slow, moving too fast, or on the
general principle that the "sonofabitch just needed a beatin."
The bus transporting new prisoners would stop on the wooden bridge
leading to the farm and the captain would forcefully tell the
prisoners to "Leave all yer gawddamn I cain't's on this side a th'
gawdamn bridge."
It was a good idea to take his advice.
One day Cap'n Red caught a load of buckshot from a prisoner who
had worked his ***** off to earn the post of "trustee."
A trustee was a prisoner, a good ol' boy, a man who just wanted to do
his time, never caused any trouble and could be trusted to carry a
loaded shotgun standing guard over the other prisoners.
This trustee didn't particularly want the post...he wanted the
shotgun.
He wanted Cap'n Red.
Cap'n Red had dissed him in front of his friends and beaten him like a
yard dog when he protested.
Can't let that kind of thing go.
Can't let it go and hold your head up.
He worked very hard at being "good."
Followed the rules....licked his nature...licked their boots....
Got the post...got the shotgun...got the Cap'n...and got the chair.
High price to pay for a little respect.
Or maybe not.
That's what I want to write about.
The true stuff that nobody will believe.
Didn't mean to go so long.
But it's your fault, suck it up ;-)
That's the sort of stuff I've been writing about the past few days.
Just idle thoughts that may or may not mean a damn thing.
Stories I think *should* be told.
Was it at all interesting?
I certainly found it interesting. Interesting enough that I would buy a copy
of the finished work to read. (I was raised in Missouri, so we heard more
than a little of what went on in Arkansas at that time. I am pretty sure that
we had somewhat similar goings-on, at least in the southern parts of the
state.)
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Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"(St. Paul)... preached holy acrimony, which is another
name for marriage."-12/31/95 issue of National Review
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29 Jan 2005 09:16:59 PM |
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:56:03 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:41:30 -0600, wrote
(in article <jr3jv0936280k7tgjtm5dokah7bs98vsh5@4ax.com>):
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:20:22 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <entiv059gm08rneqar9tauhq2j5f7r3enl@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:02:29 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <u2hdv0hbsmgp6kcvo4366vbsfl7iqmd86i@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
What I think I've learned in the past few days is that sometimes we can
try too hard.
Any chance that's what you're doing?
I'm having pacing problems. I have to slow things down. I'm aiming at 60K
and I'm sitting at about 23,000 right now. But everything I *want to
write would put me at the half way point. Which would make for too short
a book. Something's missing and I don't know *what...
The rest of the story?
Maybe you just need some fillers to take up a little space? Or put it down
for a bit.
Hang in there.
I'm just being petulant. I want to go back to the main character of the
last book. He was more *fun.
Most of my charactors are real.
<snip>
One of the farms had a head guard named Cap'n Red.
He was a mean *****.
He would beat a man for looking funny, for talking funny or for
looking him in the eye.
He would beat a man for moving too slow, moving too fast, or on the
general principle that the "sonofabitch just needed a beatin."
The bus transporting new prisoners would stop on the wooden bridge
leading to the farm and the captain would forcefully tell the
prisoners to "Leave all yer gawddamn I cain't's on this side a th'
gawdamn bridge."
It was a good idea to take his advice.
One day Cap'n Red caught a load of buckshot from a prisoner who
had worked his ***** off to earn the post of "trustee."
A trustee was a prisoner, a good ol' boy, a man who just wanted to do
his time, never caused any trouble and could be trusted to carry a
loaded shotgun standing guard over the other prisoners.
This trustee didn't particularly want the post...he wanted the
shotgun.
He wanted Cap'n Red.
Cap'n Red had dissed him in front of his friends and beaten him like a
yard dog when he protested.
Can't let that kind of thing go.
Can't let it go and hold your head up.
He worked very hard at being "good."
Followed the rules....licked his nature...licked their boots....
Got the post...got the shotgun...got the Cap'n...and got the chair.
High price to pay for a little respect.
Or maybe not.
That's what I want to write about.
The true stuff that nobody will believe.
Didn't mean to go so long.
But it's your fault, suck it up ;-)
That's the sort of stuff I've been writing about the past few days.
Just idle thoughts that may or may not mean a damn thing.
Stories I think *should* be told.
Was it at all interesting?
I certainly found it interesting. Interesting enough that I would buy a copy
of the finished work to read. (I was raised in Missouri, so we heard more
than a little of what went on in Arkansas at that time. I am pretty sure that
we had somewhat similar goings-on, at least in the southern parts of the
state.)
When I first got on the net in about "95 or so I tried to do some
research but there was nothing there about the subject.
I found this a couple of hours ago.
http://www.corpun.com/uspr6702.htm
That's where my uncle was.
My father and another uncle had also been there and my step father had
scars on his ankle from working chain gangs in Arkansas and Tennessee.
They had committed non violent crimes for the most part.
Hearing the stories from them was far different than reading about it.
I've wanted to tell their stories for years.
And the stories of other strange, sometimes wonderfully unique people
with unique experiences that I have known.
I once even encountered a guy with multiple personalities when I was a
cop.
I had read about it but didn't believe it was real until then.
There was absolutely no doubt, due to the circumstances, that it was
real in this case.
It literally made my skin crawl and the hair stand up on my neck as
well as that of the other cop involved.
Strange goings on eh? :-)
atheist@home#1554
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31 Jan 2005 10:02:54 AM |
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:16:59 GMT, wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:56:03 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:41:30 -0600, wrote
(in article <jr3jv0936280k7tgjtm5dokah7bs98vsh5@4ax.com>):
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I certainly found it interesting. Interesting enough that I would buy a copy
of the finished work to read. (I was raised in Missouri, so we heard more
than a little of what went on in Arkansas at that time. I am pretty sure that
we had somewhat similar goings-on, at least in the southern parts of the
state.)
When I first got on the net in about "95 or so I tried to do some
research but there was nothing there about the subject.
I found this a couple of hours ago.
http://www.corpun.com/uspr6702.htm
That's where my uncle was.
My father and another uncle had also been there and my step father had
scars on his ankle from working chain gangs in Arkansas and Tennessee.
They had committed non violent crimes for the most part.
Hearing the stories from them was far different than reading about it.
I've wanted to tell their stories for years.
And the stories of other strange, sometimes wonderfully unique people
with unique experiences that I have known.
I once even encountered a guy with multiple personalities when I was a
cop.
I had read about it but didn't believe it was real until then.
There was absolutely no doubt, due to the circumstances, that it was
real in this case.
It literally made my skin crawl and the hair stand up on my neck as
well as that of the other cop involved.
Strange goings on eh? :-)
Very, along with the common Christian inhumanity.
A series of writers links.
http://www.diane.com/readers/tools.html
You might also check in your area for a writer's guild.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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25 Jan 2005 02:21:45 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:06:03 GMT, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:36:18 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <la28v0pbe80er8dbredefsoodv86ldfv4o@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
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I took an english class at a local private university a few years ago
and couldn't write a thing assigned until a night or two before it was
due.
Then it would all seem to be there just waiting to be written down.
Your mind was working on it in the background.
When I used to do books for Que Corp., I actually had to maintain a
spreadsheet kind of thing, tracking page and word count. *Force myself to
do things in a more "paced" way. I had to. I tend to burn myself out on a
project.
Fiction, though, I can't do that way. I'm stuck with my absurd "work
habits."
All I can say is apparently it works.
Geeze...all that wasted time over something so simple.
It's a weird profession (well, I *hope it becomes my profession, I don't
want to stay "hobbyist" too long <g>).
And there are no hard and fast rules. What works for one author doesn't
for another. Some folks I've known have very "normal" work habits. Others
are just *weird.
I seem to fall into the latter category myself...
It's working for me.
I'm actually getting more ideas for different stories as I write.
Normal.
I'm enjoying the hell out of it.
atheist@home#1554
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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27 Jan 2005 05:58:28 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:21:45 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:06:03 GMT, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:36:18 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <la28v0pbe80er8dbredefsoodv86ldfv4o@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
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I took an english class at a local private university a few years ago
and couldn't write a thing assigned until a night or two before it was
due.
Then it would all seem to be there just waiting to be written down.
Your mind was working on it in the background.
Always, unfortunitely.
When I used to do books for Que Corp., I actually had to maintain a
spreadsheet kind of thing, tracking page and word count. *Force myself to
do things in a more "paced" way. I had to. I tend to burn myself out on a
project.
Fiction, though, I can't do that way. I'm stuck with my absurd "work
habits."
All I can say is apparently it works.
Geeze...all that wasted time over something so simple.
It's a weird profession (well, I *hope it becomes my profession, I don't
want to stay "hobbyist" too long <g>).
And there are no hard and fast rules. What works for one author doesn't
for another. Some folks I've known have very "normal" work habits. Others
are just *weird.
I seem to fall into the latter category myself...
It's working for me.
I'm actually getting more ideas for different stories as I write.
Normal.
And fun :-)
atheist@home#1554
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24 Jan 2005 02:46:18 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:36:18 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote
(in article <GMudnc1XZ48jv2jcRVn-tw@megapath.net>):
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"Contra position?"
I can't rite wright. At least not this weak.
That seems to be my permanent problem when it comes to actually writing up my
story ideas. Blah!
I tried it again last night and set a time limit. The time limit didn't
work but I've broken the old habit of getting stuck on a word or
expression and re-reading every paragraph over and over.
It's less like work now and more like fun :-) It's amazing how well it
works.
I'm definitely of the "damn the torpedoes" school of writing. <G>
Anything can be fixed in rewrites. Getting the ideas down when they're fresh
matters more to me. Especially because I tend to write in "bursts." Even in
tech writing I could spend *days doing pretty much nothing then just, out of
the blue, start writing like a maniac. I have no idea why and it annoys the
crap out of me.
Exactly how I used to work on mechanical ideas I had, I would go for 2, 3, 4
or more days without even thinking about food or sleep until I got whatever
it was built. Having a real life tends to cut down on such things now.
When I used to do books for Que Corp., I actually had to maintain a
spreadsheet kind of thing, tracking page and word count. *Force myself to do
things in a more "paced" way. I had to. I tend to burn myself out on a
project.
Fiction, though, I can't do that way. I'm stuck with my absurd "work habits."
Geeze...all that wasted time over something so simple.
It's a weird profession (well, I *hope it becomes my profession, I don't want
to stay "hobbyist" too long <g>).
And there are no hard and fast rules. What works for one author doesn't for
another. Some folks I've known have very "normal" work habits. Others are
just *weird.
I seem to fall into the latter category myself...
Writing is more art than science, so of course everyone has a different idea
of what works. If it works for one person, great, but it is just as likely to
be exactly the wrong way for many others.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"God hates figs."
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25 Jan 2005 08:50:09 AM |
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In our last episode
<0001HW.BE1ABABA0072BF43F02845B0@news.central.cox.net>, Harry F. Leopold
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
Writing is more art than science, so of course everyone has a different
idea of what works. If it works for one person, great, but it is just as
likely to be exactly the wrong way for many others.
Or more voodoo than sane...
(And what worked last week won't do *squat this week. <grumble>)
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
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25 Jan 2005 02:18:12 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:50:09 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode
<0001HW.BE1ABABA0072BF43F02845B0@news.central.cox.net>, Harry F. Leopold
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
Writing is more art than science, so of course everyone has a different
idea of what works. If it works for one person, great, but it is just as
likely to be exactly the wrong way for many others.
Or more voodoo than sane...
(And what worked last week won't do *squat this week. <grumble>)
What's interesting is an interchange on abortion with Zag brought up
an idea I can use in a 'slice n dice' I'm working on.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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25 Jan 2005 12:50:20 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:50:09 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote
(in article <n-CdnTNpR5rGxmvcRVn-sw@megapath.net>):
In our last episode
<0001HW.BE1ABABA0072BF43F02845B0@news.central.cox.net>, Harry F. Leopold
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
Writing is more art than science, so of course everyone has a different
idea of what works. If it works for one person, great, but it is just as
likely to be exactly the wrong way for many others.
Or more voodoo than sane...
(And what worked last week won't do *squat this week. <grumble>)
Ain't that the truth!
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³Hey, you are the evolving one not me.³-IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com
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24 Jan 2005 02:37:29 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:39:22 -0600, wrote
(in article <la28v0pbe80er8dbredefsoodv86ldfv4o@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:14:07 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <s366v0hj50nvhfgnmgp5ksqi024r7h2dsr@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:27:08 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <fud3v0lqn7nn5qc52ilnrkr6v3qphhcg8i@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:37:29 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:07:30 -0600, wrote (in article
<indru094ar78c7hpkaha36hncdrvenctgm@4ax.com>):
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Interesting thing I've discovered about myself is I'll write whole
chunks that are "back story" for a character which don't actually
belong *in the novel but needed to be written anyway. That's what
happened to the first couple of drafts of the just finished beast. I
threw two out (some 110,000 words total) and most of the material
ended up being in the "background" of the final version.
Creating the whole character? It makes sense.
Or the whole background for a scene or the entire book. I know that a
number of writers have written entire novels worth of background
material that gets reduced to just a few sentences, yet without working
within that background the entire story would fail. And because the
writer, or writers, have that background in mind while writing the rest
of the story you pick up on that background and are aware of it as
well. (I know that Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle do this quite often
in their collaborations.)
I don't understand why I didn't already know that. It works
surprisingly well.
It also gets the juices flowing and makes it difficult to stop typing.
Tell me about it.
<applies more Icy Hot>
Lol!
I also had to sleep late for two days to recover.
The contra position is worse. I haven't managed any writing since
Thursday. I'm getting mean and difficult to live with...
"Contra position?"
I tried it again last night and set a time limit.
The time limit didn't work but I've broken the old habit of getting
stuck on a word or expression and re-reading every paragraph over and
over.
It's less like work now and more like fun :-)
It's amazing how well it works.
Geeze...all that wasted time over something so simple.
atheist@home#1554
I am the worst writer in the world, OK, the second worst, there has to be
someone out there that is worst than I, but I have read a lot over the last 5
decades and among that reading I have read quite a bit about the art, and
science, of writing. That was the one thing I noticed about most of the good
writers, they wrote a lot, discarded a lot, and did a hell of a lot of
background writing. Heinlein, Pournelle and Niven, quite a few others.
So if bringing that up helps anyone, pass the thanks on to those who passed
it on to me in their writings that I read. It may not do me any good, but...
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
A baseball bat, with the words "Clue Stick" impressed into the wood. Anyone
smacked upside the head with it will have a useful personal epiphany, and a
blinding headache. A sheet of paper accompanying the bat indicates that other
models are also available, such as the "Ugly Stick." - Warehouse 23
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24 Jan 2005 09:07:47 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:37:29 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:39:22 -0600, wrote
(in article <la28v0pbe80er8dbredefsoodv86ldfv4o@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:14:07 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <s366v0hj50nvhfgnmgp5ksqi024r7h2dsr@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:27:08 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <fud3v0lqn7nn5qc52ilnrkr6v3qphhcg8i@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:37:29 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:07:30 -0600, wrote (in article
<indru094ar78c7hpkaha36hncdrvenctgm@4ax.com>):
snip
Interesting thing I've discovered about myself is I'll write whole
chunks that are "back story" for a character which don't actually
belong *in the novel but needed to be written anyway. That's what
happened to the first couple of drafts of the just finished beast. I
threw two out (some 110,000 words total) and most of the material
ended up being in the "background" of the final version.
Creating the whole character? It makes sense.
Or the whole background for a scene or the entire book. I know that a
number of writers have written entire novels worth of background
material that gets reduced to just a few sentences, yet without working
within that background the entire story would fail. And because the
writer, or writers, have that background in mind while writing the rest
of the story you pick up on that background and are aware of it as
well. (I know that Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle do this quite often
in their collaborations.)
I don't understand why I didn't already know that. It works
surprisingly well.
It also gets the juices flowing and makes it difficult to stop typing.
Tell me about it.
<applies more Icy Hot>
Lol!
I also had to sleep late for two days to recover.
The contra position is worse. I haven't managed any writing since
Thursday. I'm getting mean and difficult to live with...
"Contra position?"
I tried it again last night and set a time limit.
The time limit didn't work but I've broken the old habit of getting
stuck on a word or expression and re-reading every paragraph over and
over.
It's less like work now and more like fun :-)
It's amazing how well it works.
Geeze...all that wasted time over something so simple.
atheist@home#1554
I am the worst writer in the world, OK, the second worst, there has to be
someone out there that is worst than I, but I have read a lot over the last 5
decades and among that reading I have read quite a bit about the art, and
science, of writing. That was the one thing I noticed about most of the good
writers, they wrote a lot, discarded a lot, and did a hell of a lot of
background writing. Heinlein, Pournelle and Niven, quite a few others.
So if bringing that up helps anyone, pass the thanks on to those who passed
it on to me in their writings that I read. It may not do me any good, but...
It's going to make me rich ;-)
athist@home#1554
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25 Jan 2005 09:17:23 AM |
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:07:47 -0600, wrote
(in article <85ebv0t104krsnds3fgs2i9ihj2v9605bk@4ax.com>):
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:37:29 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:39:22 -0600, wrote
(in article <la28v0pbe80er8dbredefsoodv86ldfv4o@4ax.com>):
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:14:07 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <s366v0hj50nvhfgnmgp5ksqi024r7h2dsr@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:27:08 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <fud3v0lqn7nn5qc52ilnrkr6v3qphhcg8i@4ax.com>,
atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:37:29 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:07:30 -0600, wrote (in article
<indru094ar78c7hpkaha36hncdrvenctgm@4ax.com>):
snip
Interesting thing I've discovered about myself is I'll write whole
chunks that are "back story" for a character which don't actually
belong *in the novel but needed to be written anyway. That's what
happened to the first couple of drafts of the just finished beast. I
threw two out (some 110,000 words total) and most of the material
ended up being in the "background" of the final version.
Creating the whole character? It makes sense.
Or the whole background for a scene or the entire book. I know that a
number of writers have written entire novels worth of background
material that gets reduced to just a few sentences, yet without
working
within that background the entire story would fail. And because the
writer, or writers, have that background in mind while writing the
rest
of the story you pick up on that background and are aware of it as
well. (I know that Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle do this quite often
in their collaborations.)
I don't understand why I didn't already know that. It works
surprisingly well.
It also gets the juices flowing and makes it difficult to stop typing.
Tell me about it.
<applies more Icy Hot>
Lol!
I also had to sleep late for two days to recover.
The contra position is worse. I haven't managed any writing since
Thursday. I'm getting mean and difficult to live with...
"Contra position?"
I tried it again last night and set a time limit.
The time limit didn't work but I've broken the old habit of getting
stuck on a word or expression and re-reading every paragraph over and
over.
It's less like work now and more like fun :-)
It's amazing how well it works.
Geeze...all that wasted time over something so simple.
atheist@home#1554
I am the worst writer in the world, OK, the second worst, there has to be
someone out there that is worst than I, but I have read a lot over the last
5
decades and among that reading I have read quite a bit about the art, and
science, of writing. That was the one thing I noticed about most of the
good
writers, they wrote a lot, discarded a lot, and did a hell of a lot of
background writing. Heinlein, Pournelle and Niven, quite a few others.
So if bringing that up helps anyone, pass the thanks on to those who passed
it on to me in their writings that I read. It may not do me any good, but...
It's going to make me rich ;-)
Great, than you can spare to send me a copy, signed of course, of your book.
I always need another book around the house. Time to hit the book store again
this afternoon.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³The universe is bigger than me. It doesn't care about me. That's fine --
because I care about me. I'd like to continue to do the things I do, and to
do other things as well. So these things will eventually end. It still
matters to me that they happen.
The realization that life belongs to me, and not to some god or some
minister, and that I could decide what to make of it -- that was a truly
liberating moment for me.³-Eyelessgame
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25 Jan 2005 02:31:35 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:17:23 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:07:47 -0600, wrote
(in article <85ebv0t104krsnds3fgs2i9ihj2v9605bk@4ax.com>):
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:37:29 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:39:22 -0600, wrote
(in article <la28v0pbe80er8dbredefsoodv86ldfv4o@4ax.com>):
[]
So if bringing that up helps anyone, pass the thanks on to those who passed
it on to me in their writings that I read. It may not do me any good, but...
It's going to make me rich ;-)
Great, than you can spare to send me a copy, signed of course, of your book.
I always need another book around the house. Time to hit the book store again
this afternoon.
Harry, you might check your local library. The library system in
Oregon sells hardback books they're getting rid of for a dollor or
two, depending on pubishing date. Paperbacks are either 25 or 50
cents, again depending on publishing date.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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25 Jan 2005 03:52:04 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:31:35 -0600, stoney wrote
(in article <71bdv010s36nbfn6ei3jsfk17naihd2qg5@4ax.com>):
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:17:23 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:07:47 -0600, wrote
(in article <85ebv0t104krsnds3fgs2i9ihj2v9605bk@4ax.com>):
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:37:29 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:39:22 -0600, wrote
(in article <la28v0pbe80er8dbredefsoodv86ldfv4o@4ax.com>):
[]
So if bringing that up helps anyone, pass the thanks on to those who
passed
it on to me in their writings that I read. It may not do me any good,
but...
It's going to make me rich ;-)
Great, than you can spare to send me a copy, signed of course, of your
book.
I always need another book around the house. Time to hit the book store
again
this afternoon.
Harry, you might check your local library. The library system in
Oregon sells hardback books they're getting rid of for a dollor or
two, depending on pubishing date. Paperbacks are either 25 or 50
cents, again depending on publishing date.
I already do that, have for decades. It is one reason I have as many books as
I do. Diane does the same. Problem is that it is getting harder all the time
to find good books that we have not already read.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³People like me, who cannot think for themselves, are a dime a dozen.³ -
Pastor Dave
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26 Jan 2005 11:54:13 AM |
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:52:04 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:31:35 -0600, stoney wrote
(in article <71bdv010s36nbfn6ei3jsfk17naihd2qg5@4ax.com>):
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:17:23 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:07:47 -0600, wrote
(in article <85ebv0t104krsnds3fgs2i9ihj2v9605bk@4ax.com>):
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:37:29 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:39:22 -0600, wrote
(in article <la28v0pbe80er8dbredefsoodv86ldfv4o@4ax.com>):
[]
So if bringing that up helps anyone, pass the thanks on to those who
passed
it on to me in their writings that I read. It may not do me any good,
but...
It's going to make me rich ;-)
Great, than you can spare to send me a copy, signed of course, of your
book.
I always need another book around the house. Time to hit the book store
again
this afternoon.
Harry, you might check your local library. The library system in
Oregon sells hardback books they're getting rid of for a dollor or
two, depending on pubishing date. Paperbacks are either 25 or 50
cents, again depending on publishing date.
I already do that, have for decades. It is one reason I have as many books as
I do. Diane does the same. Problem is that it is getting harder all the time
to find good books that we have not already read.
What about getting the books in hardback you've read in paperback and
enjoyed?
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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26 Jan 2005 04:02:04 PM |
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:54:13 -0600, stoney wrote
(in article <19mfv0dsl57e88bcddalpb30uoiojt642n@4ax.com>):
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:52:04 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:31:35 -0600, stoney wrote
(in article <71bdv010s36nbfn6ei3jsfk17naihd2qg5@4ax.com>):
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:17:23 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:07:47 -0600, wrote
(in article <85ebv0t104krsnds3fgs2i9ihj2v9605bk@4ax.com>):
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:37:29 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:39:22 -0600, wrote
(in article <la28v0pbe80er8dbredefsoodv86ldfv4o@4ax.com>):
[]
So if bringing that up helps anyone, pass the thanks on to those who
passed
it on to me in their writings that I read. It may not do me any good,
but...
It's going to make me rich ;-)
Great, than you can spare to send me a copy, signed of course, of your
book.
I always need another book around the house. Time to hit the book store
again
this afternoon.
Harry, you might check your local library. The library system in
Oregon sells hardback books they're getting rid of for a dollor or
two, depending on pubishing date. Paperbacks are either 25 or 50
cents, again depending on publishing date.
I already do that, have for decades. It is one reason I have as many books
as
I do. Diane does the same. Problem is that it is getting harder all the
time
to find good books that we have not already read.
What about getting the books in hardback you've read in paperback and
enjoyed?
And just where would I put all of them? We, Diane and I, have been running
short on room these last couple of years. I hate to think that I have to go
out and buy a rather large house just to hold our collections of books.
Nearly every free piece of wall in our place is filled with book cases, and
for the last year or so we have been stacking books on the floors, tables,
chairs, and if she does not move fast enough, on top of the cat.
Besides, paperbacks are easier to carry around.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³Pain is not evil, pain is the idiot light on the dash board of the human
body.³ - Karl E. Taylor
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27 Jan 2005 06:10:47 PM |
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:02:04 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:54:13 -0600, stoney wrote
(in article <19mfv0dsl57e88bcddalpb30uoiojt642n@4ax.com>):
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:52:04 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:31:35 -0600, stoney wrote
(in article <71bdv010s36nbfn6ei3jsfk17naihd2qg5@4ax.com>):
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:17:23 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:07:47 -0600, wrote
(in article <85ebv0t104krsnds3fgs2i9ihj2v9605bk@4ax.com>):
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:37:29 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:39:22 -0600, wrote
(in article <la28v0pbe80er8dbredefsoodv86ldfv4o@4ax.com>):
[]
So if bringing that up helps anyone, pass the thanks on to those who
passed
it on to me in their writings that I read. It may not do me any good,
but...
It's going to make me rich ;-)
Great, than you can spare to send me a copy, signed of course, of your
book.
I always need another book around the house. Time to hit the book store
again
this afternoon.
Harry, you might check your local library. The library system in
Oregon sells hardback books they're getting rid of for a dollor or
two, depending on pubishing date. Paperbacks are either 25 or 50
cents, again depending on publishing date.
I already do that, have for decades. It is one reason I have as many books
as
I do. Diane does the same. Problem is that it is getting harder all the
time
to find good books that we have not already read.
What about getting the books in hardback you've read in paperback and
enjoyed?
And just where would I put all of them? We, Diane and I, have been running
short on room these last couple of years. I hate to think that I have to go
out and buy a rather large house just to hold our collections of books.
The passenger side of my bed is covered in books as is much of the
rest of the upstairs.
I also found a "temporary" bookstore called Bookworld that has really
good discounts on books and the problem is getting worse.
I can buy $60.00 worth of good books that would cost $200.00 somewhere
else.
Nearly every free piece of wall in our place is filled with book cases, and
for the last year or so we have been stacking books on the floors, tables,
chairs, and if she does not move fast enough, on top of the cat.
I've got to buy more bookcases.
I've determined to never give away any book ever again.
Besides, paperbacks are easier to carry around.
Not as pretty though :-)
atheist@home#1554
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27 Jan 2005 10:22:20 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:02:04 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:54:13 -0600, stoney wrote
(in article <19mfv0dsl57e88bcddalpb30uoiojt642n@4ax.com>):
[]
Harry, you might check your local library. The library system in
Oregon sells hardback books they're getting rid of for a dollor or
two, depending on pubishing date. Paperbacks are either 25 or 50
cents, again depending on publishing date.
I already do that, have for decades. It is one reason I have as many books
as I do. Diane does the same. Problem is that it is getting harder all the
time to find good books that we have not already read.
What about getting the books in hardback you've read in paperback and
enjoyed?
And just where would I put all of them? We, Diane and I, have been running
short on room these last couple of years. I hate to think that I have to go
out and buy a rather large house just to hold our collections of books.
Nearly every free piece of wall in our place is filled with book cases, and
for the last year or so we have been stacking books on the floors, tables,
chairs, and if she does not move fast enough, on top of the cat.
Oh.
Besides, paperbacks are easier to carry around.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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29 Jan 2005 08:40:06 AM |
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:22:20 -0600, stoney wrote
(in article <t75iv01ukt1qivrqmcfigcb680n28as8h6@4ax.com>):
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:02:04 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:54:13 -0600, stoney wrote
(in article <19mfv0dsl57e88bcddalpb30uoiojt642n@4ax.com>):
[]
Harry, you might check your local library. The library system in
Oregon sells hardback books they're getting rid of for a dollor or
two, depending on pubishing date. Paperbacks are either 25 or 50
cents, again depending on publishing date.
I already do that, have for decades. It is one reason I have as many
books
as I do. Diane does the same. Problem is that it is getting harder all
the
time to find good books that we have not already read.
What about getting the books in hardback you've read in paperback and
enjoyed?
And just where would I put all of them? We, Diane and I, have been running
short on room these last couple of years. I hate to think that I have to go
out and buy a rather large house just to hold our collections of books.
Nearly every free piece of wall in our place is filled with book cases, and
for the last year or so we have been stacking books on the floors, tables,
chairs, and if she does not move fast enough, on top of the cat.
Oh.
Indeed, "oh."
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"(St. Paul)... preached holy acrimony, which is another
name for marriage."-12/31/95 issue of National Review
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29 Jan 2005 05:19:15 PM |
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:40:06 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:22:20 -0600, stoney wrote
(in article <t75iv01ukt1qivrqmcfigcb680n28as8h6@4ax.com>):
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:02:04 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:54:13 -0600, stoney wrote
(in article <19mfv0dsl57e88bcddalpb30uoiojt642n@4ax.com>):
[]
Harry, you might check your local library. The library system in
Oregon sells hardback books they're getting rid of for a dollor or
two, depending on pubishing date. Paperbacks are either 25 or 50
cents, again depending on publishing date.
I already do that, have for decades. It is one reason I have as many
books
as I do. Diane does the same. Problem is that it is getting harder all
the
time to find good books that we have not already read.
What about getting the books in hardback you've read in paperback and
enjoyed?
And just where would I put all of them? We, Diane and I, have been running
short on room these last couple of years. I hate to think that I have to go
out and buy a rather large house just to hold our collections of books.
Nearly every free piece of wall in our place is filled with book cases, and
for the last year or so we have been stacking books on the floors, tables,
chairs, and if she does not move fast enough, on top of the cat.
Oh.
Indeed, "oh."
I'm very aware of that situation.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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31 Jan 2005 03:21:27 PM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in
news:ge6ov0p3mgn3j4995mo0g0pfo2v1bif600@4ax.com:
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:40:06 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:22:20 -0600, stoney wrote
(in article <t75iv01ukt1qivrqmcfigcb680n28as8h6@4ax.com>):
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:02:04 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:54:13 -0600, stoney wrote
(in article <19mfv0dsl57e88bcddalpb30uoiojt642n@4ax.com>):
[]
Harry, you might check your local library. The library system
in Oregon sells hardback books they're getting rid of for a
dollor or two, depending on pubishing date. Paperbacks are
either 25 or 50 cents, again depending on publishing date.
I already do that, have for decades. It is one reason I have as
many books
as I do. Diane does the same. Problem is that it is getting
harder all the
time to find good books that we have not already read.
What about getting the books in hardback you've read in paperback
and enjoyed?
And just where would I put all of them? We, Diane and I, have been
running short on room these last couple of years. I hate to think
that I have to go out and buy a rather large house just to hold our
collections of books.
Nearly every free piece of wall in our place is filled with book
cases, and for the last year or so we have been stacking books on
the floors, tables, chairs, and if she does not move fast enough,
on top of the cat.
Oh.
Indeed, "oh."
I'm very aware of that situation.
I too share in the problem. I find it impossible to get rid of a book.
My wife and I have been collecting books for 28 years. (mostly SF)
--
apatriot #23, aa #1779, Grand Poobah, EAC Department of Oxygen
Deprivation
Responsible for brain damage everywhere!
Gary Bohn
Science rationally modifies a theory to fit evidence, creationism
emotionally modifies evidence to fit the bible.
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:39:22 GMT, wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:14:07 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <s366v0hj50nvhfgnmgp5ksqi024r7h2dsr@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:27:08 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <fud3v0lqn7nn5qc52ilnrkr6v3qphhcg8i@4ax.com>, atheist
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:37:29 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:07:30 -0600, wrote (in article
<indru094ar78c7hpkaha36hncdrvenctgm@4ax.com>):
snip
Interesting thing I've discovered about myself is I'll write whole
chunks that are "back story" for a character which don't actually
belong *in the novel but needed to be written anyway. That's what
happened to the first couple of drafts of the just finished beast. I
threw two out (some 110,000 words total) and most of the material
ended up being in the "background" of the final version.
Creating the whole character? It makes sense.
Or the whole background for a scene or the entire book. I know that a
number of writers have written entire novels worth of background
material that gets reduced to just a few sentences, yet without working
within that background the entire story would fail. And because the
writer, or writers, have that background in mind while writing the rest
of the story you pick up on that background and are aware of it as
well. (I know that Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle do this quite often
in their collaborations.)
I don't understand why I didn't already know that. It works
surprisingly well.
It also gets the juices flowing and makes it difficult to stop typing.
Tell me about it.
<applies more Icy Hot>
Lol!
I also had to sleep late for two days to recover.
The contra position is worse. I haven't managed any writing since
Thursday. I'm getting mean and difficult to live with...
"Contra position?"
I tried it again last night and set a time limit.
The time limit didn't work but I've broken the old habit of getting
stuck on a word or expression and re-reading every paragraph over and
over.
It's less like work now and more like fun :-)
It's amazing how well it works.
Geeze...all that wasted time over something so simple.
Get the story down first and then do the rewrites and polishing.
The characters will 'talk' to you. Its generally a very good idea to
'listen.'
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: I've given birth! |
24 Jan 2005 05:49:09 PM |
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In our last episode <67rav0tah6fvc6gpiq65r164a9fbdph2eb@4ax.com>, stoney
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:39:22 GMT, wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:14:07 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <s366v0hj50nvhfgnmgp5ksqi024r7h2dsr@4ax.com>,
atheist lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:27:08 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <fud3v0lqn7nn5qc52ilnrkr6v3qphhcg8i@4ax.com>,
atheist lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:37:29 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:07:30 -0600, wrote (in
article <indru094ar78c7hpkaha36hncdrvenctgm@4ax.com>):
snip
Interesting thing I've discovered about myself is I'll write
whole chunks that are "back story" for a character which don't
actually belong *in the novel but needed to be written anyway.
That's what happened to the first couple of drafts of the just
finished beast. I threw two out (some 110,000 words total) and
most of the material ended up being in the "background" of the
final version.
Creating the whole character? It makes sense.
Or the whole background for a scene or the entire book. I know that
a number of writers have written entire novels worth of background
material that gets reduced to just a few sentences, yet without
working within that background the entire story would fail. And
because the writer, or writers, have that background in mind while
writing the rest of the story you pick up on that background and are
aware of it as well. (I know that Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle do
this quite often in their collaborations.)
I don't understand why I didn't already know that. It works
surprisingly well.
It also gets the juices flowing and makes it difficult to stop
typing.
Tell me about it.
<applies more Icy Hot>
Lol!
I also had to sleep late for two days to recover.
The contra position is worse. I haven't managed any writing since
Thursday. I'm getting mean and difficult to live with...
"Contra position?"
I tried it again last night and set a time limit. The time limit didn't
work but I've broken the old habit of getting stuck on a word or
expression and re-reading every paragraph over and over.
It's less like work now and more like fun :-) It's amazing how well it
works.
Geeze...all that wasted time over something so simple.
Get the story down first and then do the rewrites and polishing. The
characters will 'talk' to you. Its generally a very good idea to
'listen.'
Yeah but how do you get them to *shut *up????
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: I've given birth! |
25 Jan 2005 02:36:30 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:49:09 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <67rav0tah6fvc6gpiq65r164a9fbdph2eb@4ax.com>, stoney
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:39:22 GMT, wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:14:07 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <s366v0hj50nvhfgnmgp5ksqi024r7h2dsr@4ax.com>,
atheist lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:27:08 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <fud3v0lqn7nn5qc52ilnrkr6v3qphhcg8i@4ax.com>,
atheist lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:37:29 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:07:30 -0600, wrote (in
article <indru094ar78c7hpkaha36hncdrvenctgm@4ax.com>):
snip
Interesting thing I've discovered about myself is I'll write
whole chunks that are "back story" for a character which don't
actually belong *in the novel but needed to be written anyway.
That's what happened to the first couple of drafts of the just
finished beast. I threw two out (some 110,000 words total) and
most of the material ended up being in the "background" of the
final version.
Creating the whole character? It makes sense.
Or the whole background for a scene or the entire book. I know that
a number of writers have written entire novels worth of background
material that gets reduced to just a few sentences, yet without
working within that background the entire story would fail. And
because the writer, or writers, have that background in mind while
writing the rest of the story you pick up on that background and are
aware of it as well. (I know that Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle do
this quite often in their collaborations.)
I don't understand why I didn't already know that. It works
surprisingly well.
It also gets the juices flowing and makes it difficult to stop
typing.
Tell me about it.
<applies more Icy Hot>
Lol!
I also had to sleep late for two days to recover.
The contra position is worse. I haven't managed any writing since
Thursday. I'm getting mean and difficult to live with...
"Contra position?"
I tried it again last night and set a time limit. The time limit didn't
work but I've broken the old habit of getting stuck on a word or
expression and re-reading every paragraph over and over.
It's less like work now and more like fun :-) It's amazing how well it
works.
Geeze...all that wasted time over something so simple.
Get the story down first and then do the rewrites and polishing. The
characters will 'talk' to you. Its generally a very good idea to
'listen.'
Yeah but how do you get them to *shut *up????
You don't.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: I've given birth! |
26 Jan 2005 08:07:57 AM |
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In our last episode <tdbdv01n55813e05c9sf2t74tf6e49lqs9@4ax.com>, stoney
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:49:09 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <67rav0tah6fvc6gpiq65r164a9fbdph2eb@4ax.com>, stoney
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:39:22 GMT, wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:14:07 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <s366v0hj50nvhfgnmgp5ksqi024r7h2dsr@4ax.com>,
atheist lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:27:08 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <fud3v0lqn7nn5qc52ilnrkr6v3qphhcg8i@4ax.com>,
atheist lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:37:29 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:07:30 -0600, wrote (in
article <indru094ar78c7hpkaha36hncdrvenctgm@4ax.com>):
snip
Interesting thing I've discovered about myself is I'll write
whole chunks that are "back story" for a character which don't
actually belong *in the novel but needed to be written anyway.
That's what happened to the first couple of drafts of the just
finished beast. I threw two out (some 110,000 words total) and
most of the material ended up being in the "background" of the
final version.
Creating the whole character? It makes sense.
Or the whole background for a scene or the entire book. I know
that a number of writers have written entire novels worth of
background material that gets reduced to just a few sentences, yet
without working within that background the entire story would
fail. And because the writer, or writers, have that background in
mind while writing the rest of the story you pick up on that
background and are aware of it as well. (I know that Larry Niven
and Jerry Pournelle do this quite often in their collaborations.)
I don't understand why I didn't already know that. It works
surprisingly well.
It also gets the juices flowing and makes it difficult to stop
typing.
Tell me about it.
<applies more Icy Hot>
Lol!
I also had to sleep late for two days to recover.
The contra position is worse. I haven't managed any writing since
Thursday. I'm getting mean and difficult to live with...
"Contra position?"
I tried it again last night and set a time limit. The time limit didn't
work but I've broken the old habit of getting stuck on a word or
expression and re-reading every paragraph over and over. It's less like
work now and more like fun :-) It's amazing how well it works.
Geeze...all that wasted time over something so simple.
Get the story down first and then do the rewrites and polishing. The
characters will 'talk' to you. Its generally a very good idea to
'listen.'
Yeah but how do you get them to *shut *up????
You don't.
Dunno. Maybe a nice, thorazine cocktail. <G>
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| Title: Re: I've given birth! |
26 Jan 2005 11:54:54 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:07:57 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <tdbdv01n55813e05c9sf2t74tf6e49lqs9@4ax.com>, stoney
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:49:09 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <67rav0tah6fvc6gpiq65r164a9fbdph2eb@4ax.com>, stoney
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:39:22 GMT, wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:14:07 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <s366v0hj50nvhfgnmgp5ksqi024r7h2dsr@4ax.com>,
atheist lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:27:08 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <fud3v0lqn7nn5qc52ilnrkr6v3qphhcg8i@4ax.com>,
atheist lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:37:29 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:07:30 -0600, wrote (in
article <indru094ar78c7hpkaha36hncdrvenctgm@4ax.com>):
snip
Interesting thing I've discovered about myself is I'll write
whole chunks that are "back story" for a character which don't
actually belong *in the novel but needed to be written anyway.
That's what happened to the first couple of drafts of the just
finished beast. I threw two out (some 110,000 words total) and
most of the material ended up being in the "background" of the
final version.
Creating the whole character? It makes sense.
Or the whole background for a scene or the entire book. I know
that a number of writers have written entire novels worth of
background material that gets reduced to just a few sentences, yet
without working within that background the entire story would
fail. And because the writer, or writers, have that background in
mind while writing the rest of the story you pick up on that
background and are aware of it as well. (I know that Larry Niven
and Jerry Pournelle do this quite often in their collaborations.)
I don't understand why I didn't already know that. It works
surprisingly well.
It also gets the juices flowing and makes it difficult to stop
typing.
Tell me about it.
<applies more Icy Hot>
Lol!
I also had to sleep late for two days to recover.
The contra position is worse. I haven't managed any writing since
Thursday. I'm getting mean and difficult to live with...
"Contra position?"
I tried it again last night and set a time limit. The time limit didn't
work but I've broken the old habit of getting stuck on a word or
expression and re-reading every paragraph over and over. It's less like
work now and more like fun :-) It's amazing how well it works.
Geeze...all that wasted time over something so simple.
Get the story down first and then do the rewrites and polishing. The
characters will 'talk' to you. Its generally a very good idea to
'listen.'
Yeah but how do you get them to *shut *up????
You don't.
Dunno. Maybe a nice, thorazine cocktail. <G>
I thought you were indicating internal methods... :)
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: I've given birth! |
26 Jan 2005 01:36:58 PM |
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In our last episode <hamfv0t9lohaptvlfqasr6npiktbek6a6d@4ax.com>, stoney
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:07:57 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <tdbdv01n55813e05c9sf2t74tf6e49lqs9@4ax.com>, stoney
lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:49:09 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode & | | | | | | |
