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On 2006-12-07, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:07:11 -0000, TUKA <tuka@tuka.valuemedia.com>
wrote:

On 2006-12-07, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:29:12 -0000, TUKA <tuka@tuka.valuemedia.com>
wrote:

On 2006-12-07, Yang, AthD (h.c) <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:55:55 -0000, TUKA <tuka@tuka.valuemedia.com>
wrote:

I didn't blame the victim -- I blamed you.

Oh I get it. it's MY fault that YOUR Christian clergymen molest kids
EN MASSE

Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority.

You can't even talk -- all you can do is point fingers!

In the case of pedopriests, fingers NEED to be pointed.

And the Muslims will do that to the exclusion of all else.

Non sequitur.

The west is strong in self-examination, and Muslim countries are
weak in it. So why are you pointing at the west?

I point at people who do immoral things. Most especially when they
claim to be morally superior.

And why would you choose to do that in Muslim groups, pray
tell? Answer is -- to try and take the heat off of the
Muslims.

Your game is exposed, bud. Take it to a Christian group
if you want discussions. The Muslims don't look good no
matter how much you yell about others. And it has become
a problem, which is why there is so much pain going around.

Muslim lives suck, apparently, which causes the problem. Let's examine the
cause for that. Who makes their lives suck?

Many other societies in the world manage to make their people's lives not
suck. They go about their business, and if their country's policies make
their lives suck, they blame their leaders. If their leaders don't make
changes, they replace them. Eventually, if all work hard and treat each
other fairly, their lives don't suck anymore.

Now in the Muslim world, when people's lives suck, their leaders tell them
to blame Israel and the US. Their people apparently don't think their
leaders have any responsibility for steering their their ship of state
to not make their lives suck. This is foolish.

Yet a lot of Muslims believe it. I am sure not all do, because not
everybody in the region is brainwashed. But their leaders, especially
their clergy, repress free speech so it is hard to get the word out.

Why does this happen? I believe it is because the dogmatic Islam does
not allow people to question their beliefs.

To find truth, you must be able to say "What if?". Apparently many
people in the Muslim countries have not been able to ask the question,
"What if my leaders were wrong?" If they really asked that question and
followed the logic through, the answer would astound them.

So it appears to me that many Muslims are trained to be a bunch of fools.
They buy the lines from the corrupt sheiks and perverted clergy that the
US and Israel are to blame, and their belief system does not allow them
to question this.

The Muslim leaders suck, which is why we are in this mess. Their religion
as practiced sucks, which is why so many people are blind.

So the only way the problem is going to be fixed is for the Muslims to
get some decent leaders and virtuous clergy. We know that in the west,
and we are working on it. First on the list was Saddam Hussein.
Who's next after him? Beats me, but I think they are all going down.

The Muslim leaders are at fault -- their time is coming.

When that happens, their people will rejoice, and have power over their
own lives, and see where they have been led astray.

On 2006-12-07, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:07:11 -0000, TUKA <tuka@tuka.valuemedia.com>
wrote:

On 2006-12-07, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:29:12 -0000, TUKA <tuka@tuka.valuemedia.com>
wrote:

On 2006-12-07, Yang, AthD (h.c) <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:55:55 -0000, TUKA <tuka@tuka.valuemedia.com>
wrote:

I didn't blame the victim -- I blamed you.

Oh I get it. it's MY fault that YOUR Christian clergymen molest kids
EN MASSE

Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority.

You can't even talk -- all you can do is point fingers!

In the case of pedopriests, fingers NEED to be pointed.

And the Muslims will do that to the exclusion of all else.

Non sequitur.

The west is strong in self-examination, and Muslim countries are
weak in it. So why are you pointing at the west?

I point at people who do immoral things. Most especially when they
claim to be morally superior.

And why would you choose to do that in Muslim groups, pray
tell?

Answer is --

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On 2006-12-08, Yang, AthD (h.c) <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:07:11 -0000, TUKA <tuka@tuka.valuemedia.com>
wrote:

On 2006-12-07, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:29:12 -0000, TUKA <tuka@tuka.valuemedia.com>
wrote:

On 2006-12-07, Yang, AthD (h.c) <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:55:55 -0000, TUKA <tuka@tuka.valuemedia.com>
wrote:

I didn't blame the victim -- I blamed you.

Oh I get it. it's MY fault that YOUR Christian clergymen molest kids
EN MASSE

Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority.

You can't even talk -- all you can do is point fingers!

In the case of pedopriests, fingers NEED to be pointed.

And the Muslims will do that to the exclusion of all else.
Which is their problem. Which you feed into.

Oh I get it, we should help you cover up for Christian pedophiles
because you might look bad in front of Muslims!

Well, ***** you. We are under no obligation to carry your water.

The west is strong in self-examination

Is that why you pedophile enablers shoot the messengers first?

"Shoot the messengers"? No, I am just calling you on your tactic
of blaming Christians in an Islam/Judaic area to try and deflect
heat of the Muslims.

It is the constant tactic of Muslims and Muslim supporters, and
here you go again....