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"Tekkaman" |
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08 May 2007 07:11:17 AM |
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Jabriol thread: " Has God Already Fixed Our Destiny? |
“SO MANY imaginary problems would be avoided if the often-misunderstood
term predestination were not used at all.” You may wonder why, if you
have used the word “predestination” or heard it used.
According to the recent French Catholic encyclopedia Théo, we do well
not to use the word “predestination.” Another book states: “Today,
predestination is no longer at the heart of theological debates, even
for most Protestants, it seems.”
Nevertheless, the question of predestination has disturbed many people
throughout history. It was at the heart of the controversy that brought
about the Reformation, and even within the Catholic Church, it was a
subject of heated discussion for centuries. Although less debated today,
it still remains a problem. Who would not want to know whether his
destiny was fixed in advance?
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| User: "Limbo Katt *~" |
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| Title: Re: Jabriol thread: " Has God Already Fixed Our Destiny? (JABRIOL ALERT) |
08 May 2007 05:26:26 PM |
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"Tekkaman" aka JABRIOL/Antonio Santana<CarolGulley@owner.net> wrote in
message news:FNZ%h.5310$HR1.4493@trnddc01...
How about giving credit to the author whose material you plagiarized Antonio
Santana?
<snip plagiarized material>
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| User: "JabriolZorBlack" |
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| Title: Re: Jabriol thread: " Has God Already Fixed Our Destiny? (JABRIOLALERT) |
08 May 2007 05:28:14 PM |
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Limbo Katt *~ wrote:
"Tekkaman" aka JABRIOL/Antonio Santana<CarolGulley@owner.net> wrote in
message news:FNZ%h.5310$HR1.4493@trnddc01...
How about giving credit to the author whose material you plagiarized
Antonio Santana?
Of course, I give credit to me....
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| User: "Limbo Katt *~" |
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| Title: Re: Jabriol thread: " Has God Already Fixed Our Destiny? (JABRIOL ALERT) |
08 May 2007 06:51:59 PM |
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"JabriolZorBlack" JABRIOL sock puppet # 119<jabriolzor@mytrashmail.com>
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Limbo Katt *~ wrote:
"Tekkaman" aka JABRIOL/Antonio Santana<CarolGulley@owner.net> wrote in
message news:FNZ%h.5310$HR1.4493@trnddc01...
How about giving credit to the author whose material you plagiarized
Antonio Santana?
Of course, I give credit to me....
You don't plagiarize the works of illiterates such as yourself.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Jabriol thread: " Has God Already Fixed Our Destiny? |
08 May 2007 07:31:40 AM |
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On 8 mei, 14:11, Tekkaman <CarolGul...@owner.net> wrote:
"SO MANY imaginary problems would be avoided if the often-misunderstood
term predestination were not used at all." You may wonder why, if you
have used the word "predestination" or heard it used.
According to the recent French Catholic encyclopedia Th=E9o, we do well
not to use the word "predestination." Another book states: "Today,
predestination is no longer at the heart of theological debates, even
for most Protestants, it seems."
Nevertheless, the question of predestination has disturbed many people
throughout history. It was at the heart of the controversy that brought
about the Reformation, and even within the Catholic Church, it was a
subject of heated discussion for centuries. Although less debated today,
it still remains a problem. Who would not want to know whether his
destiny was fixed in advance?
I wouldn't
Peter van Velzen
May 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "Tekkaman" |
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| Title: Re: Jabriol thread: " Has God Already Fixed Our Destiny? |
08 May 2007 07:52:49 AM |
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wrote:
Who would not want to know whether his
destiny was fixed in advance?
I wouldn't
What does the word “predestination” mean in the churches? The
Dictionnaire de théologie catholique considers it to be “the divine
intention to bring certain ones, who are designated by name, to
everlasting life.” It is generally thought that the chosen ones,
“designated by name,” are the ones referred to by the apostle Paul in
his letter to the Romans, in the following terms: “God works for good
with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose. For
those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image
of his Son . . . And those whom he predestined he also called; and those
whom he called he also justified; and those whom he justified he also
glorified.”—Romans 8:28-30, Revised Standard Version.
Even before their birth, some people were supposedly chosen by God with
a view to sharing Christ’s glory in the heavens. This leads to the
long-debated question: Does God arbitrarily choose whom he wants to
save, or do men have free will and a part to play in obtaining and
retaining God’s favor?
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: Jabriol thread: " Has God Already Fixed Our Destiny? |
08 May 2007 10:38:49 AM |
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"Tekkaman" <CarolGulley@owner.net> wrote in message
news:Bo_%h.5323$HR1.2792@trnddc01...
pbamvv@worldonline.nl wrote:
Who would not want to know whether his
destiny was fixed in advance?
I wouldn't
What does the word “predestination” mean in the churches? The Dictionnaire
de théologie catholique considers it to be “the divine intention to bring
certain ones, who are designated by name, to everlasting life.” It is
generally thought that the chosen ones, “designated by name,” are the ones
referred to by the apostle Paul in his letter to the Romans, in the
following terms: “God works for good with those who love him, who are
called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also
predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son . . . And those whom
he predestined he also called; and those whom he called he also justified;
and those whom he justified he also glorified.”—Romans 8:28-30, Revised
Standard Version.
Even before their birth, some people were supposedly chosen by God with a
view to sharing Christ’s glory in the heavens. This leads to the
long-debated question: Does God arbitrarily choose whom he wants to save,
or do men have free will and a part to play in obtaining and retaining God’s
favor?
Taking the position that the Christian 'God' *does* exist as a hypothetical,
let's go back to a time prior to the creation of Adam & Eve. This leaves
just perfect 'God' and the 'perfect' angels he created in the ultimate place
of perfection -- 'Heaven'.
Uh oh. Something's wrong! There's 'evil' lurking here!! Why, gull-dern it!!
It's in the mind of every single angel in existence. It's like an IED just
'itchin' to go off? Why?
Who in the hell did such a despicable thing to these once 'perfect' angels?
What fiend, what monster could perpetrate such a heinous act?
Hmmm. Don't see anything but angels and 'God' dressed in his supernaturally
white 'lab coat'.
Uh oh. I see that this evil even exists in the 'mind' of 'God', only on a
much larger scale; ready and waiting to be injected into the universe he's
about to create, I see!
What is going on here?!
Oh! It's something called 'free-will'. God is performing an experiment that
he already knows the outcome of. He's waiting to see how long it takes for
one of his angels to hit the 'trip' wire and do something 'evil' without
even knowing what 'evil' even is at this point.
Looks to me like a very act of pure evil is being perpetrated by 'God' here.
He didn't have to do this. If he wants the angels to have 'free-will', they
already do. They can flutter here or flutter yonder; they can choose to
praise 'God' verbally or choose to do it later; they can choose to 'play'
with the other angels, or choose to watch clouds roll by in solitude and try
and figure out what 'pictures' they form as they do so.
Wonder why that impulse to do evil -- or the concept of evil for that
matter -- has been consciously implanted in the head of every angel. At
*some* point in time an angel is going to unwittingly hit that 'trip wire'
(figuratively speaking) and become 'evilized'!
Okay. A Zillion centuries have passed and not a *single* angel ...
KaBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!
Uh oh. Speak of the devil.
Now *why* did 'God' have to go and do that? Was that 'pre-destined' or
simply a matter of an unfortunate angel using his 'free-will'?
Greywolf
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Jabriol thread: " Has God Already Fixed Our Destiny? |
08 May 2007 07:03:26 PM |
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On 8 mei, 14:52, Tekkaman <CarolGul...@owner.net> wrote:
pba...@worldonline.nl wrote:
Who would not want to know whether his>> destiny was fixed in advance?
I wouldn't
What does the word "predestination" mean in the churches? The
Dictionnaire de th=E9ologie catholique considers it to be "the divine
intention to bring certain ones, who are designated by name, to
everlasting life." It is generally thought that the chosen ones,
"designated by name," are the ones referred to by the apostle Paul in
his letter to the Romans, in the following terms: "God works for good
with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose. For
those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image
of his Son . . . And those whom he predestined he also called; and those
whom he called he also justified; and those whom he justified he also
glorified."-Romans 8:28-30, Revised Standard Version.
Even before their birth, some people were supposedly chosen by God with
a view to sharing Christ's glory in the heavens. This leads to the
long-debated question: Does God arbitrarily choose whom he wants to
save, or do men have free will and a part to play in obtaining and
retaining God's favor?
As an atheist I do not think there is a God (outside our brain),
and thus there are no such plans (outside our brain).
If I am mistaken, so be it.
I go by the evidence on hand, and there is none.
The idea that people would have to be saved also doesn't appeal to me.
It sounds like God is a collector of souls or something.
I regard every human being to be a rare and precious individual,
so if I were God, I would save everybody. . . . .
But I am not God, and I have no idea what a God would do if one
existed.
I wonder why relgious people have de audacity to presume they
know . . . .
Peter van Velzen
(Strong) Atheist #1107
May 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" |
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| Title: Re: Jabriol thread: " Has God Already Fixed Our Destiny? |
08 May 2007 08:01:05 AM |
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On May 8, 1:11 pm, Tekkaman <CarolGul...@owner.net> wrote:
"SO MANY imaginary problems would be avoided if the often-misunderstood
term predestination were not used at all." You may wonder why, if you
have used the word "predestination" or heard it used.
All our destinies are fixed, and identical. Beliefs in supernatural
entities are nothing but attempts to deny the inevitable. Scary as the
truth is, however, lies about something as fundamental as you-know-
what make life meaningless and pointless.
http://new.thegreenrose.com/discworld/chars/images/Death1.jpg
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