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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Just Mark"
Date: 14 Apr 2005 04:58:42 PM
Object: Jason and the a.a. list
from free.christians...Jason's "explanation" to his "Mini Me"
John wrote:

Maybe I should have emailed you this, please let me know what it is
and I will add it to my Palm Pilot and Eudora Address book for email
(they dont sync together using my old version).

<<<A similar issue erupted around the thievery of a list
of atheists by one "Dr." Jason Gastrich (I do not mean
to insult you by comparisons with his total lack of
morality) and this is possibly the worst time anyone
could choose to post such a thing. It is simply that I
feel everyone's needs would be better met if your
prayer was kept private - surely God will listen to
you?>>


Is it true that you stole this list? I have heard many say it, but I
have no hard proof either way. But either way I am on your side. But
do realize that stealing is wrong. But maybe you never stole
anything.

I see nothing wrong with praying for people, and our websites are
meant for believers, so prayers are helpful.

Thank you Jason,

John

Hey John,
All I did was download the public list from the internet, to my computer,
put it in a JCSM template, and upload it to the web. No, this isn't
considered "stealing." In fact, if you search the archives, you can find
the list's webmaster (Mark Bilbo) specifically saying that this isn't
considered stealing and people shouldn't accuse me.
The atheists are upset about the list being on Christian sites because it
means they will receive prayer. It's pretty obvious.
Regards,
Jason
.

User: "Enkidu the Atheist"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 15 Apr 2005 12:35:33 AM
"Just Mark" <neverassumeyouknow@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:6jx7e.120$0d6.90@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com:

Hey John,

All I did was download the public list from the internet, to my
computer, put it in a JCSM template, and upload it to the web. No,
this isn't considered "stealing." In fact, if you search the
archives, you can find the list's webmaster (Mark Bilbo) specifically
saying that this isn't considered stealing and people shouldn't accuse
me.

The atheists are upset about the list being on Christian sites because
it means they will receive prayer. It's pretty obvious.

Jason, you left out the part where you used a proxy to bypass a block on
your IP address. You repeatedly asked for access to the list, but were
denied. So you bypassed a security measure specifically aimed at keeping
you from accessing that data.
Failing to tell the whole truth is lying.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the
Western Spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun.
Orbiting this at a distance of roughly ninety-eight million miles is an
utterly insignificant little blue-green planet whose ape-descended life
forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches
are a pretty neat idea.
- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
.
User: "Michelle Malkin"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 15 Apr 2005 04:26:11 AM
"Enkidu the Atheist" <Enkidu.the.Atheist@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9638B302DDBEA255229@130.133.1.4...

"Just Mark" <neverassumeyouknow@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:6jx7e.120$0d6.90@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com:

Hey John,

All I did was download the public list from the internet, to my
computer, put it in a JCSM template, and upload it to the web. No,
this isn't considered "stealing." In fact, if you search the
archives, you can find the list's webmaster (Mark Bilbo) specifically
saying that this isn't considered stealing and people shouldn't accuse
me.

That was before Mark learned that what you did actually was
illegal. If we felt like suing you, we could very easily. But, the
fact is. your having the list posted in more than one place and
telling everyone has turned out to be invaluable for us. Thanks
to your hamhanded dishonesty, 15 people, so far, have joined
the list. So, again, Jason, thank you for being such a fumble
footed, hamhanded clutz of a religious fanatic. You've been
a real help to us. Keep on keepin' on, Jace baby!
Oh, and thanks for posting the ages of several of the list
members, too, though you're probably a year off in many
cases. Mine, for example. You have me down as being 57
years old. I turned 58 last week.


The atheists are upset about the list being on Christian sites because
it means they will receive prayer. It's pretty obvious.


Jason, you left out the part where you used a proxy to bypass a block on
your IP address. You repeatedly asked for access to the list, but were
denied. So you bypassed a security measure specifically aimed at keeping
you from accessing that data.

Failing to tell the whole truth is lying.

The list belongs to me. I gave my permission for the list to be
posted on the alt.atheism newsgroup website. Jason did not
ask for my permission to post my list on his website. And, he
very sneakily stole a copy of the list when he was denied
access to the newsgroup website. Therefore, Jason is a thief, a
liar and a fraud. He is also a very poor example of Christianity.
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
alt.atheism atheist/agnostic list name collector
BAAWA Knight & EAC Bible thumper thumper
http://questioner.www2.50megs.com
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^


--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA

Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the
Western Spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun.
Orbiting this at a distance of roughly ninety-eight million miles is an
utterly insignificant little blue-green planet whose ape-descended life
forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches
are a pretty neat idea.
- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 15 Apr 2005 06:36:43 AM
In article <OoGdneQ1p9fD38LfRVn-jQ@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"Enkidu the Atheist" <Enkidu.the.Atheist@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9638B302DDBEA255229@130.133.1.4...

"Just Mark" <neverassumeyouknow@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:6jx7e.120$0d6.90@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com:

Hey John,

All I did was download the public list from the internet, to my
computer, put it in a JCSM template, and upload it to the web. No,
this isn't considered "stealing." In fact, if you search the
archives, you can find the list's webmaster (Mark Bilbo) specifically
saying that this isn't considered stealing and people shouldn't accuse
me.


That was before Mark learned that what you did actually was
illegal. If we felt like suing you, we could very easily. But, the
fact is. your having the list posted in more than one place and
telling everyone has turned out to be invaluable for us. Thanks
to your hamhanded dishonesty, 15 people, so far, have joined
the list. So, again, Jason, thank you for being such a fumble
footed, hamhanded clutz of a religious fanatic. You've been
a real help to us. Keep on keepin' on, Jace baby!

Oh, and thanks for posting the ages of several of the list
members, too, though you're probably a year off in many
cases. Mine, for example. You have me down as being 57
years old. I turned 58 last week.


The atheists are upset about the list being on Christian sites because
it means they will receive prayer. It's pretty obvious.


Jason, you left out the part where you used a proxy to bypass a block on
your IP address. You repeatedly asked for access to the list, but were
denied. So you bypassed a security measure specifically aimed at keeping
you from accessing that data.

Failing to tell the whole truth is lying.


The list belongs to me. I gave my permission for the list to be
posted on the alt.atheism newsgroup website. Jason did not
ask for my permission to post my list on his website. And, he
very sneakily stole a copy of the list when he was denied
access to the newsgroup website. Therefore, Jason is a thief, a
liar and a fraud. He is also a very poor example of Christianity.

People like Jason are a great example of why one should NOT embrace
Christianity.

--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
alt.atheism atheist/agnostic list name collector
BAAWA Knight & EAC Bible thumper thumper
http://questioner.www2.50megs.com
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^


--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 23 Apr 2005 04:06:33 PM
Michelle Malkin wrote:

The list belongs to me. I gave my permission for the list to be
posted on the alt.atheism newsgroup website. Jason did not
ask for my permission to post my list on his website. And, he
very sneakily stole a copy of the list when he was denied
access to the newsgroup website. Therefore, Jason is a thief, a
liar and a fraud. He is also a very poor example of Christianity.

Glad to see that Jason has you all on the run. I did enjoy all the
bogus huffing and puffing! <chuckle>
I wonder if any of you will actually put your money where your mouths
are? I doubt it...
All the best,
Roger Pearse
.
User: "Carson West"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 23 Apr 2005 04:17:46 PM
wrote:

Michelle Malkin wrote:

The list belongs to me. I gave my permission for the
list to be posted on the alt.atheism newsgroup website.
Jason did not ask for my permission to post my list
on his website. And, he very sneakily stole a copy
of the list when he was denied access to the newsgroup
website. Therefore, Jason is a thief, a liar and a
fraud. He is also a very poor example of Christianity.


Glad to see that Jason has you all on the run.

Jason has a rather curious way of putting people "on the run." It seems to
include theft and then ducking out on the responsiiblities for that theft.

I did enjoy all the bogus huffing and puffing! <chuckle>

"Bogus huffing and puffing?"

I wonder if any of you will actually put your money
where your mouths are?

Meaning?

I doubt it...

You shouldn't doubt it, Roger. Those of us who oppose Jason and say,
"J'accuse" are right here. Jason has shown what he's all about.
.
User: "Michelle Malkin"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 24 Apr 2005 09:04:37 AM
"Carson West" <carson.west@coxspambox.net> wrote in message
news:Lyuae.26768$gs4.10612@okepread05...

roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

Michelle Malkin wrote:

The list belongs to me. I gave my permission for the
list to be posted on the alt.atheism newsgroup website.
Jason did not ask for my permission to post my list
on his website. And, he very sneakily stole a copy
of the list when he was denied access to the newsgroup
website. Therefore, Jason is a thief, a liar and a
fraud. He is also a very poor example of Christianity.


Glad to see that Jason has you all on the run.

Oh, yeah. Jason has us so on the run that we've had 15
more people join the list thanks to Jason. It's more like
he has us dancing for joy. Of course, that doesn't take
away from the fact that Jason is a liar, thief and religious
brown-noser. And, he also does a lousy job in debates.


Jason has a rather curious way of putting people "on the run." It seems

to

include theft and then ducking out on the responsiiblities for that theft.

I did enjoy all the bogus huffing and puffing! <chuckle>


"Bogus huffing and puffing?"

I wonder if any of you will actually put your money
where your mouths are?


Meaning?

I doubt it...


You shouldn't doubt it, Roger. Those of us who oppose Jason and say,
"J'accuse" are right here. Jason has shown what he's all about.


.


User: "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrichs effort"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 24 Apr 2005 04:26:03 PM
wrote:

Michelle Malkin wrote:

The list belongs to me. I gave my permission for the list to be
posted on the alt.atheism newsgroup website. Jason did not
ask for my permission to post my list on his website. And, he
very sneakily stole a copy of the list when he was denied
access to the newsgroup website. Therefore, Jason is a thief, a
liar and a fraud. He is also a very poor example of Christianity.


Glad to see that Jason has you all on the run.

By "has on the run," do you mean "is encouraging people to join the
a.a. list?

I did enjoy all the bogus huffing and puffing! <chuckle>

By "bogus huffing and puffing," did you mean "pointing out that
sidestepping barriers put in place to prevent a specific person from
taking something without permission is at best morally questionable,
but not surprizing considering who it was"?

I wonder if any of you will actually put your money where your mouths

are?
By "I wonder if any of you will actually put your money where your
mouths are," did you mean "It amuses me that Jason stole something and
there's not much you can do about it"?

I doubt it...

By "I doubt it..." did you mean, "Well, I saw several people point out
that there wasn't much could be done other than chide Jason for being
so slimey, but let's pretend otherwise"?

All the best,

By "All the best," did you mean "***** you"?
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 24 Apr 2005 08:45:04 PM
On 24 Apr 2005 09:26:03 -0700, "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason
Gastrich's effort" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote:

roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

Michelle Malkin wrote:

The list belongs to me. I gave my permission for the list to be
posted on the alt.atheism newsgroup website. Jason did not
ask for my permission to post my list on his website. And, he
very sneakily stole a copy of the list when he was denied
access to the newsgroup website. Therefore, Jason is a thief, a
liar and a fraud. He is also a very poor example of Christianity.


Glad to see that Jason has you all on the run.


By "has on the run," do you mean "is encouraging people to join the
a.a. list?

I did enjoy all the bogus huffing and puffing! <chuckle>


By "bogus huffing and puffing," did you mean "pointing out that
sidestepping barriers put in place to prevent a specific person from
taking something without permission is at best morally questionable,
but not surprizing considering who it was"?

I wonder if any of you will actually put your money where your mouths

are?

By "I wonder if any of you will actually put your money where your
mouths are," did you mean "It amuses me that Jason stole something and
there's not much you can do about it"?

I doubt it...


By "I doubt it..." did you mean, "Well, I saw several people point out
that there wasn't much could be done other than chide Jason for being
so slimey, but let's pretend otherwise"?

All the best,


By "All the best," did you mean "***** you"?

Yes, Roger did. It's that Christian LoveŽ.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.


User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 25 Apr 2005 02:44:53 AM
In our last episode
<1114272393.934411.187590@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, roger_pearse
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

Michelle Malkin wrote:

The list belongs to me. I gave my permission for the list to be posted
on the alt.atheism newsgroup website. Jason did not ask for my
permission to post my list on his website. And, he very sneakily stole a
copy of the list when he was denied access to the newsgroup website.
Therefore, Jason is a thief, a liar and a fraud. He is also a very poor
example of Christianity.


Glad to see that Jason has you all on the run.

Oh is *that what it's called when over a dozen new people join the list?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
.
User: "Michelle Malkin"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 25 Apr 2005 05:38:38 AM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:kYydnWJV4-M4xPHfRVn-oQ@megapath.net...

In our last episode
<1114272393.934411.187590@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, roger_pearse
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

Michelle Malkin wrote:

The list belongs to me. I gave my permission for the list to be posted
on the alt.atheism newsgroup website. Jason did not ask for my
permission to post my list on his website. And, he very sneakily stole

a

copy of the list when he was denied access to the newsgroup website.
Therefore, Jason is a thief, a liar and a fraud. He is also a very poor
example of Christianity.


Glad to see that Jason has you all on the run.


Oh is *that what it's called when over a dozen new people join the list?

15 at last count.
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
alt.atheism atheist/agnostic list name collector
BAAWA Knight & EAC Bible thumper thumper
http://questioner.www2.50megs.com
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^


--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger

.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 25 Apr 2005 01:52:48 PM
In our last episode <EqWdnZTq_8PFH_HfRVn-iw@comcast.com>, Michelle Malkin
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:


"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:kYydnWJV4-M4xPHfRVn-oQ@megapath.net...

In our last episode
<1114272393.934411.187590@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, roger_pearse
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

Michelle Malkin wrote:

The list belongs to me. I gave my permission for the list to be
posted on the alt.atheism newsgroup website. Jason did not ask for my
permission to post my list on his website. And, he very sneakily
stole

a

copy of the list when he was denied access to the newsgroup website.
Therefore, Jason is a thief, a liar and a fraud. He is also a very
poor example of Christianity.


Glad to see that Jason has you all on the run.


Oh is *that what it's called when over a dozen new people join the list?


15 at last count.

I guess "on the run" means running *toward the list?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
.


User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 25 Apr 2005 03:43:49 AM
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

In our last episode
<1114272393.934411.187590@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, roger_pearse
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

Michelle Malkin wrote:

The list belongs to me. I gave my permission for the list to be
posted on the alt.atheism newsgroup website. Jason did not ask for
my permission to post my list on his website. And, he very sneakily
stole a copy of the list when he was denied access to the newsgroup
website. Therefore, Jason is a thief, a liar and a fraud. He is
also a very poor example of Christianity.


Glad to see that Jason has you all on the run.


Oh is *that what it's called when over a dozen new people join the
list?

I've posted before finishing my thoughts before, it can happen to anybody.
Here's what he meant to type.
Glad to see that Jason has you all on the run to join the atheist list.
.



User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 17 Apr 2005 03:34:31 AM
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:26:11 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:


"Enkidu the Atheist" <Enkidu.the.Atheist@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9638B302DDBEA255229@130.133.1.4...

"Just Mark" <neverassumeyouknow@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:6jx7e.120$0d6.90@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com:

Hey John,

All I did was download the public list from the internet, to my
computer, put it in a JCSM template, and upload it to the web. No,
this isn't considered "stealing." In fact, if you search the
archives, you can find the list's webmaster (Mark Bilbo) specifically
saying that this isn't considered stealing and people shouldn't accuse
me.

[]

The list belongs to me. I gave my permission for the list to be
posted on the alt.atheism newsgroup website. Jason did not
ask for my permission to post my list on his website. And, he
very sneakily stole a copy of the list when he was denied
access to the newsgroup website. Therefore, Jason is a thief, a
liar and a fraud. He is also a very poor example of Christianity.

Disagree. He's a prime example of Christian institutionalized
immorality and is following the example set by the fictional bronze
age Jesus character.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.
User: "Randy Day"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 17 Apr 2005 04:42:59 AM
stoney wrote:
[snip]

The list belongs to me. I gave my permission for the list to be
posted on the alt.atheism newsgroup website. Jason did not
ask for my permission to post my list on his website. And, he
very sneakily stole a copy of the list when he was denied
access to the newsgroup website. Therefore, Jason is a thief, a
liar and a fraud. He is also a very poor example of Christianity.



Disagree. He's a prime example of Christian institutionalized
immorality and is following the example set by the fictional bronze
age Jesus character.

I'm sure the Holy Horse-Thief is real proud
of you, Jason!
--
R
Atheist Chair,
EAC Disciplinary Committee
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 17 Apr 2005 03:37:32 PM
On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 22:42:59 -0600, Randy Day <ruthal@sasktel.nex>
wrote:

stoney wrote:

[snip]

The list belongs to me. I gave my permission for the list to be
posted on the alt.atheism newsgroup website. Jason did not
ask for my permission to post my list on his website. And, he
very sneakily stole a copy of the list when he was denied
access to the newsgroup website. Therefore, Jason is a thief, a
liar and a fraud. He is also a very poor example of Christianity.



Disagree. He's a prime example of Christian institutionalized
immorality and is following the example set by the fictional bronze
age Jesus character.


I'm sure the Holy Horse-Thief is real proud
of you, Jason!

Must be, since Jasons actions are scripted.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.



User: "John M Collins"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 15 Apr 2005 03:29:07 PM
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:26:11 -0400, Michelle Malkin wrote:

Therefore, Jason is a thief, a
liar and a fraud. He is also a very poor example of Christianity.

I disagree with you there.
He may be a poor example in the sense of showing a model of behaviour to
others, but he's a great example of the way xtians in general behave.
--
John Collins aa#1639
.
User: "Les Hellawell"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 16 Apr 2005 05:12:25 PM
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:29:07 +0100, John M Collins
<jmc@caveman.xisl.com> wrote:

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:26:11 -0400, Michelle Malkin wrote:

Therefore, Jason is a thief, a
liar and a fraud. He is also a very poor example of Christianity.


I disagree with you there.

He may be a poor example in the sense of showing a model of behaviour to
others, but he's a great example of the way xtians in general behave.

That bad?
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 17 Apr 2005 03:36:48 PM
On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:12:25 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:29:07 +0100, John M Collins
<jmc@caveman.xisl.com> wrote:

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:26:11 -0400, Michelle Malkin wrote:

Therefore, Jason is a thief, a
liar and a fraud. He is also a very poor example of Christianity.


I disagree with you there.

He may be a poor example in the sense of showing a model of behaviour to
others, but he's a great example of the way xtians in general behave.


That bad?

And worse.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.




User: "Les Hellawell"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 15 Apr 2005 01:14:59 PM
On 15 Apr 2005 00:35:33 GMT, Enkidu the Atheist
<Enkidu.the.Atheist@gmail.com> wrote:

"Just Mark" <neverassumeyouknow@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:6jx7e.120$0d6.90@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com:

Hey John,

All I did was download the public list from the internet, to my
computer, put it in a JCSM template, and upload it to the web. No,
this isn't considered "stealing." In fact, if you search the
archives, you can find the list's webmaster (Mark Bilbo) specifically
saying that this isn't considered stealing and people shouldn't accuse
me.

The atheists are upset about the list being on Christian sites because
it means they will receive prayer. It's pretty obvious.


Jason, you left out the part where you used a proxy to bypass a block on
your IP address. You repeatedly asked for access to the list, but were
denied. So you bypassed a security measure specifically aimed at keeping
you from accessing that data.

Failing to tell the whole truth is lying.

Disingenuity is the name of the game
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
.


User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 14 Apr 2005 05:03:09 PM
"Just Mark" <neverassumeyouknow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6jx7e.120$0d6.90@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...

from free.christians...Jason's "explanation" to his "Mini Me"

John wrote:

Maybe I should have emailed you this, please let me know what it is
and I will add it to my Palm Pilot and Eudora Address book for email
(they dont sync together using my old version).

<<<A similar issue erupted around the thievery of a list
of atheists by one "Dr." Jason Gastrich (I do not mean
to insult you by comparisons with his total lack of
morality) and this is possibly the worst time anyone
could choose to post such a thing. It is simply that I
feel everyone's needs would be better met if your
prayer was kept private - surely God will listen to
you?>>


Is it true that you stole this list? I have heard many say it, but I
have no hard proof either way. But either way I am on your side. But
do realize that stealing is wrong. But maybe you never stole
anything.

I see nothing wrong with praying for people, and our websites are
meant for believers, so prayers are helpful.

Thank you Jason,

John


Hey John,

All I did was download the public list from the internet, to my computer,
put it in a JCSM template, and upload it to the web. No, this isn't
considered "stealing." In fact, if you search the archives, you can find
the list's webmaster (Mark Bilbo) specifically saying that this isn't
considered stealing and people shouldn't accuse me.

The atheists are upset about the list being on Christian sites because it
means they will receive prayer. It's pretty obvious.

He is SUCH a liar :P
--
------
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
.
User: "Les Hellawell"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 14 Apr 2005 05:57:49 PM
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:03:09 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:


"Just Mark" <neverassumeyouknow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6jx7e.120$0d6.90@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...

from free.christians...Jason's "explanation" to his "Mini Me"

John wrote:

Maybe I should have emailed you this, please let me know what it is
and I will add it to my Palm Pilot and Eudora Address book for email
(they dont sync together using my old version).

<<<A similar issue erupted around the thievery of a list
of atheists by one "Dr." Jason Gastrich (I do not mean
to insult you by comparisons with his total lack of
morality) and this is possibly the worst time anyone
could choose to post such a thing. It is simply that I
feel everyone's needs would be better met if your
prayer was kept private - surely God will listen to
you?>>


Is it true that you stole this list? I have heard many say it, but I
have no hard proof either way. But either way I am on your side. But
do realize that stealing is wrong. But maybe you never stole
anything.

I see nothing wrong with praying for people, and our websites are
meant for believers, so prayers are helpful.

Thank you Jason,

John


Hey John,

All I did was download the public list from the internet, to my computer,
put it in a JCSM template, and upload it to the web. No, this isn't
considered "stealing." In fact, if you search the archives, you can find
the list's webmaster (Mark Bilbo) specifically saying that this isn't
considered stealing and people shouldn't accuse me.

The atheists are upset about the list being on Christian sites because it
means they will receive prayer. It's pretty obvious.


He is SUCH a liar :P

They know exactly what they are doing and why and just how shamefull
it is.
They betray themselves with their dodging and weaving but they
know in their own 'hearts' what they do. They condemn themselves
with their disengeneous responces not us.
It is their conscience and morality in question not ours. We can
hold our heads high knowing we have done nothing wrong. Can they?
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
.
User: "Vic Sagerquist"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 14 Apr 2005 07:39:06 PM
on 14 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Les Hellawell dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:

He is SUCH a liar :P


They know exactly what they are doing and why and just how shamefull
it is.

They betray themselves with their dodging and weaving but they
know in their own 'hearts' what they do. They condemn themselves
with their disengeneous responces not us.

It is their conscience and morality in question not ours. We can
hold our heads high knowing we have done nothing wrong. Can they?

Of course. They have the catchall forgiver. Sometimes I picture Jesus'
face as that of Alfred E. Newman. What, me worry?
What's funny is that soon after praying for us, Jason plonked a bunch of
us. Which shows where his interests lie...
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
.
User: "Les Hellawell"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 15 Apr 2005 08:41:30 AM
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:39:06 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:

on 14 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Les Hellawell dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:

He is SUCH a liar :P


They know exactly what they are doing and why and just how shamefull
it is.

They betray themselves with their dodging and weaving but they
know in their own 'hearts' what they do. They condemn themselves
with their disengeneous responces not us.

It is their conscience and morality in question not ours. We can
hold our heads high knowing we have done nothing wrong. Can they?


Of course. They have the catchall forgiver. Sometimes I picture Jesus'
face as that of Alfred E. Newman. What, me worry?

So basically what so are saying (If I may attempt to put words in your
mouth :-) is that although they claim a higher morality, in practise
they have none at all and like psychopaths have no sense of right and
wrong or respect for others and are basically out of control? This
certainly would explain why some of them have been acting like a bunch
of hooligans lately leaving their own newsgroups and rampaging around
USENET hurling abuse and making laughable attempts tro intimidate us
into running away and hiding. Well I can stand up and look these
bullies in the eyes (morally and metaphorically speaking of course :-)
knowing that their case is clearly so weak that they do not even
attemp to make it :-)
Sorry but don't know who Newman is.

What's funny is that soon after praying for us, Jason plonked a bunch of
us. Which shows where his interests lie...

He plonked me a long time ago leastways he never has any answers for
the many questions I keeps asking.
I have no problems whatsoever with Christians and those of other
faiths who come here to debate with us in a reasonable manner
and will happily engage with them because I know we have the
stronger position. The problem is that when they inevitably lose the
debate they all so often resort to insult and sarcasm before running
away. People don't like their belief system being challenged it
clearly makes them uncomfortable but they choose to come here.
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
.
User: "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrichs effort"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 15 Apr 2005 12:46:18 PM
Les Hellawell wrote:
<snip>

Sorry but don't know who Newman is.

Mad magazine mascot that looks surprizingly like the current US
president.
http://www.mindspring.com/~mike.wicks/AEBush.html
.
User: "Les Hellawell"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 15 Apr 2005 03:21:07 PM
On 15 Apr 2005 05:46:18 -0700, "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason
Gastrich's effort" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote:

Les Hellawell wrote:
<snip>

Sorry but don't know who Newman is.


Mad magazine mascot that looks surprizingly like the current US
president.

Ah Mad mag! - now there's a blast from my past!


http://www.mindspring.com/~mike.wicks/AEBush.html

I remember the face now, see what you mean :-))
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
.


User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 17 Apr 2005 03:29:41 AM
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:41:30 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:39:06 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:

on 14 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Les Hellawell dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:

He is SUCH a liar :P


They know exactly what they are doing and why and just how shamefull
it is.

They betray themselves with their dodging and weaving but they
know in their own 'hearts' what they do. They condemn themselves
with their disengeneous responces not us.

It is their conscience and morality in question not ours. We can
hold our heads high knowing we have done nothing wrong. Can they?


Of course. They have the catchall forgiver. Sometimes I picture Jesus'
face as that of Alfred E. Newman. What, me worry?


So basically what so are saying (If I may attempt to put words in your
mouth :-) is that although they claim a higher morality, in practise
they have none at all and like psychopaths have no sense of right and
wrong or respect for others and are basically out of control? This
certainly would explain why some of them have been acting like a bunch
of hooligans lately leaving their own newsgroups and rampaging around
USENET hurling abuse and making laughable attempts tro intimidate us
into running away and hiding. Well I can stand up and look these
bullies in the eyes (morally and metaphorically speaking of course :-)
knowing that their case is clearly so weak that they do not even
attemp to make it :-)

Sorry but don't know who Newman is.

What's funny is that soon after praying for us, Jason plonked a bunch of
us. Which shows where his interests lie...


He plonked me a long time ago leastways he never has any answers for
the many questions I keeps asking.

I told you several times. You've got to post replies to the same
newsgroups in the list line when you read it. Your follow-ups only go
to alt.atheism. If the person isn't reading alt.atheism s/he won't
see it.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.
User: "Les Hellawell"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 17 Apr 2005 04:21:59 PM
On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:29:41 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:41:30 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:39:06 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:

on 14 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Les Hellawell dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:

He is SUCH a liar :P


They know exactly what they are doing and why and just how shamefull
it is.

They betray themselves with their dodging and weaving but they
know in their own 'hearts' what they do. They condemn themselves
with their disengeneous responces not us.

It is their conscience and morality in question not ours. We can
hold our heads high knowing we have done nothing wrong. Can they?


Of course. They have the catchall forgiver. Sometimes I picture Jesus'
face as that of Alfred E. Newman. What, me worry?


So basically what so are saying (If I may attempt to put words in your
mouth :-) is that although they claim a higher morality, in practise
they have none at all and like psychopaths have no sense of right and
wrong or respect for others and are basically out of control? This
certainly would explain why some of them have been acting like a bunch
of hooligans lately leaving their own newsgroups and rampaging around
USENET hurling abuse and making laughable attempts tro intimidate us
into running away and hiding. Well I can stand up and look these
bullies in the eyes (morally and metaphorically speaking of course :-)
knowing that their case is clearly so weak that they do not even
attemp to make it :-)

Sorry but don't know who Newman is.

What's funny is that soon after praying for us, Jason plonked a bunch of
us. Which shows where his interests lie...


He plonked me a long time ago leastways he never has any answers for
the many questions I keeps asking.


I told you several times. You've got to post replies to the same
newsgroups in the list line when you read it. Your follow-ups only go
to alt.atheism. If the person isn't reading alt.atheism s/he won't
see it.

Yes I know that but Jason has been posting just in alt.atheism and
I have responded in those threads (I do check)
I have noticed that when Jason starts one of his intentionally
provocative threads he cherry picks one ot two posts at first, to
'fan the flames' then quietly withdraws leaving us to it. When the
thread starts to die he might then dip in again to 'rekindle' the
flame.
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 18 Apr 2005 05:44:01 PM
On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 17:21:59 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:29:41 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:41:30 +0100, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:39:06 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:

on 14 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Les Hellawell dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:

He is SUCH a liar :P


They know exactly what they are doing and why and just how shamefull
it is.

They betray themselves with their dodging and weaving but they
know in their own 'hearts' what they do. They condemn themselves
with their disengeneous responces not us.

It is their conscience and morality in question not ours. We can
hold our heads high knowing we have done nothing wrong. Can they?


Of course. They have the catchall forgiver. Sometimes I picture Jesus'
face as that of Alfred E. Newman. What, me worry?


So basically what so are saying (If I may attempt to put words in your
mouth :-) is that although they claim a higher morality, in practise
they have none at all and like psychopaths have no sense of right and
wrong or respect for others and are basically out of control? This
certainly would explain why some of them have been acting like a bunch
of hooligans lately leaving their own newsgroups and rampaging around
USENET hurling abuse and making laughable attempts tro intimidate us
into running away and hiding. Well I can stand up and look these
bullies in the eyes (morally and metaphorically speaking of course :-)
knowing that their case is clearly so weak that they do not even
attemp to make it :-)

Sorry but don't know who Newman is.

What's funny is that soon after praying for us, Jason plonked a bunch of
us. Which shows where his interests lie...


He plonked me a long time ago leastways he never has any answers for
the many questions I keeps asking.


I told you several times. You've got to post replies to the same
newsgroups in the list line when you read it. Your follow-ups only go
to alt.atheism. If the person isn't reading alt.atheism s/he won't
see it.


Yes I know that but Jason has been posting just in alt.atheism and
I have responded in those threads (I do check)

Ok. I just checked and this thread originated just in this ng.

I have noticed that when Jason starts one of his intentionally
provocative threads he cherry picks one ot two posts at first, to
'fan the flames' then quietly withdraws leaving us to it. When the
thread starts to die he might then dip in again to 'rekindle' the
flame.

I generally ignore the moron, but may read some responses.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.



User: "Secular Fundamentalist"

Title: Re: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 15 Apr 2005 10:57:04 AM
The gates of alt.atheism slowly swung open, and there stood Les
Hellawell <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com>,who intoned thus:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:39:06 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:

on 14 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Les Hellawell dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:

He is SUCH a liar :P


They know exactly what they are doing and why and just how shamefull
it is.

They betray themselves with their dodging and weaving but they
know in their own 'hearts' what they do. They condemn themselves
with their disengeneous responces not us.

It is their conscience and morality in question not ours. We can
hold our heads high knowing we have done nothing wrong. Can they?


Of course. They have the catchall forgiver. Sometimes I picture Jesus'
face as that of Alfred E. Newman. What, me worry?


So basically what so are saying (If I may attempt to put words in your
mouth :-) is that although they claim a higher morality, in practise
they have none at all and like psychopaths have no sense of right and
wrong or respect for others and are basically out of control? This
certainly would explain why some of them have been acting like a bunch
of hooligans lately leaving their own newsgroups and rampaging around
USENET hurling abuse and making laughable attempts tro intimidate us
into running away and hiding. Well I can stand up and look these
bullies in the eyes (morally and metaphorically speaking of course :-)
knowing that their case is clearly so weak that they do not even
attemp to make it :-)

Sorry but don't know who Newman is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_E._Neuman

What's funny is that soon after praying for us, Jason plonked a bunch of
us. Which shows where his interests lie...


He plonked me a long time ago leastways he never has any answers for
the many questions I keeps asking.

I have no problems whatsoever with Christians and those of other
faiths who come here to debate with us in a reasonable manner
and will happily engage with them because I know we have the
stronger position. The problem is that when they inevitably lose the
debate they all so often resort to insult and sarcasm before running
away. People don't like their belief system being challenged it
clearly makes them uncomfortable but they choose to come here.

They come here, abuse us or put stupid questions to us. What's the
worst thing that can happen to them? They get put in their place:
Instant martyrdom! They can (and do) then start whining about
persecution. It's a win/win situation for them.
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
Mistabit doesn't work in mysterious ways, people just don't pay attention.
.
User: "Les Hellawell"

Title: Re: Jason and the a.a. list 15 Apr 2005 03:10:27 PM
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:57:04 +0100, Secular Fundamentalist
<White.Rabbit@answersinAlicethroughthelookingglass.org> wrote:

The gates of alt.atheism slowly swung open, and there stood Les
Hellawell <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com>,who intoned thus:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:39:06 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:

on 14 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, Les Hellawell dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:

He is SUCH a liar :P


They know exactly what they are doing and why and just how shamefull
it is.

They betray themselves with their dodging and weaving but they
know in their own 'hearts' what they do. They condemn themselves
with their disengeneous responces not us.

It is their conscience and morality in question not ours. We can
hold our heads high knowing we have done nothing wrong. Can they?


Of course. They have the catchall forgiver. Sometimes I picture Jesus'
face as that of Alfred E. Newman. What, me worry?


So basically what so are saying (If I may attempt to put words in your
mouth :-) is that although they claim a higher morality, in practise
they have none at all and like psychopaths have no sense of right and
wrong or respect for others and are basically out of control? This
certainly would explain why some of them have been acting like a bunch
of hooligans lately leaving their own newsgroups and rampaging around
USENET hurling abuse and making laughable attempts tro intimidate us
into running away and hiding. Well I can stand up and look these
bullies in the eyes (morally and metaphorically speaking of course :-)
knowing that their case is clearly so weak that they do not even
attemp to make it :-)

Sorry but don't know who Newman is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_E._Neuman

What's funny is that soon after praying for us, Jason plonked a bunch of
us. Which shows where his interests lie...


He plonked me a long time ago leastways he never has any answers for
the many questions I keeps asking.

I have no problems whatsoever with Christians and those of other
faiths who come here to debate with us in a reasonable manner
and will happily engage with them because I know we have the
stronger position. The problem is that when they inevitably lose the
debate they all so often resort to insult and sarcasm before running
away. People don't like their belief system being challenged it
clearly makes them uncomfortable but they choose to come here.


They come here, abuse us or put stupid questions to us. What's the
worst thing that can happen to them? They get put in their place:
Instant martyrdom! They can (and do) then start whining about
persecution. It's a win/win situation for them.

Certainly some, many do. Some may start a bit extreme and quickly
realise they had the wrong impression of us. I don't mind that so
much, but yes we do get many who deliberately distort and lie
and hold on to those lies when they have been demonstrated to
be false. These are the ones who are basically the hooligans out
to try and cause offence and intimidations but are really just
demonstrating their own offensiveness and shortcomings.
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
.







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