Religions > Atheism > Jason Gastrich confesses to being the FraudBuster in a chat
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Religions > Atheism |
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"Bible John" |
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21 Dec 2005 12:17:04 AM |
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Jason Gastrich confesses to being the FraudBuster in a chat |
johnw_94020: So, if anyone has questions about the Bible or my debates,
then please post. Otherwise, I won't continue this banter with
SonofFred about me. He's much better and desirous of talking about me
than I am.>
jesus_saved_jason: Is this John Wolf or Weatherly?
johnw_94020: Gues
jesus_saved_jason: Wolf
johnw_94020: Bingo
jesus_saved_jason: k
johnw_94020: Interesting debates on the Internet
jesus_saved_jason: Thanks. I just wanted to let you know that David
Horn will be taken care of.
johnw_94020: But do you still hold bitterness towards those that care
about you?
johnw_94020: Who in the hell is David horn?
johnw_94020: Oops sorry about my language there
johnw_94020: But I am really ticked at the moment
jesus_saved_jason: Son of Fred
johnw_94020: he gives me trouble as well on free.christains
johnw_94020: As do many others
jesus_saved_jason: A new group has been created to expose frauds like
him.
johnw_94020: But honestly I am out to elliminate the terrorists and not
the atheists
johnw_94020: Bible Bob, Steve Winter, Last of All to name a few
jesus_saved_jason: what do you mean by eliminate?
johnw_94020: Watch free.christians and see how they attack me!
johnw_94020: John MacArhut suggested at the conference that we should
put Luke 11:37ff in practice
jesus_saved_jason: Well, I just wanted you to know about that. We are
fed up with Son of Fred (David Horn) and will be exposing him; starting
earlier this evening.
johnw_94020: By exposing their false doctrine, ministries and their lives
jesus_saved_jason: The new group is open to exposing ANY fraudulent
person; bar none.
johnw_94020: Well can you email me so I may join? or do you still HATE
ME?
johnw_94020: By blocking my entire area code
jesus_saved_jason: I don't hate you; never have. But right now, you
aren't allowed to join.
johnw_94020: Why?
jesus_saved_jason: You have called JCSM under an assumed name - Leyo (or
something like that) and have been harrassing us.
johnw_94020: Sorry about that. I had to protect myself from the
stalkers and those that want to harass me. But I apologize for this.
Sorry I was wrong
johnw_94020: But I was able to contact you back home in the Bay Area
jesus_saved_jason: Yeah well, that's why we did it. Your caller ID
didn't match the name you gave. So, I accept your apology.
johnw_94020: No problem. I am sorry. I do want you back on
free.christians. But for knwo the due time will come soon for me
johnw_94020: Then it will be the end for me
johnw_94020: I have had enough of the abuse
jesus_saved_jason: Thanks, but I won't be back there.
johnw_94020: Its why I am leaving
johnw_94020: Same reason
jesus_saved_jason: k
johnw_94020: Okay I do hope you mean what you say. I do want to be
friends.
johnw_94020: But for protection I will copy this chat to my hard drive
jesus_saved_jason: Protection from what?
johnw_94020: Encase you lie and do not mean what you say.
jesus_saved_jason: I mean what I said. I do think that we should limit
our conversations though and when we do email or chat, we shouldn't
mention our theological differences
johnw_94020: Oh and bye the way the alias was Leo Davidson
johnw_94020: I may use it from time to time. But then again Jeffrey
carlson and Bev A Kapuf I think are gone. They did steal my old drivers
licence, and posted a private audio file to the Internet
johnw_94020: I agree with you jason
jesus_saved_jason: sorry to hear it
johnw_94020: The real enemy is the terrorists
johnw_94020: Like Bible Bob and Steve Winter
jesus_saved_jason: everyone knows their issues, already
johnw_94020: I hope you do not have blocked
johnw_94020: Also how about unblocking crucifyself03 bia AIM? I really
do hate yahoo Instant mesanger on my mac
johnw_94020: So I see that it is true that you have been keeping up with
the news in free.christains. This is good. But I bet its sad for you
to see all the hate posts
jesus_saved_jason: No. I don't chat with anyone on IMs. I use them
only when people are in desperate need. You can email me sparingly,
though.
johnw_94020: Do you get harassed there?
jesus_saved_jason: where?
johnw_94020: On AIM. Sorry I had to create different Bible John names
johnw_94020: My apology
johnw_94020: Well Jason it was nice to chat. But I do need to get back
to watching more of the X-files. God bless..
jesus_saved_jason: bye and God blessrunsB{
--
CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries
http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/
John 14:6 Jesus answered, ³I am the way and
the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father
except through me.
AIM-Crucifyself03
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| Title: Re: Jason Gastrich confesses to being the FraudBuster in a chat |
26 Dec 2005 11:31:45 AM |
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In <dop05j$fud$0@pita.alt.net>, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote:
Uzytkownik "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> napisal w
wiadomosci news:Ee-dnUSWlPxODzLenZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@megapath.net...
In <doncas$7mf$0@pita.alt.net>, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote:
I am sorry to see Jason used in this way, and his private conversations
flaunted in a platform which he has chosen not to participate in.
Either you have no integrity, or you are mentally ill.
DUH.
See what happens when you only listen to the opinions of people who
stroke your ego?
Gastrich brought it on himself. He falls easily for flattery. Won't
listen to anybody but sycophants. And *did try to use Wolf in trying to
ram vanity pages into the Wikipedia.
He made his bed...
The aim of this wiki project of his is to ensure that there is a good
share of christian themes covered from our perspective in Wiki. It is not
about vanity pages.
Pages about Jason Gastrich and JCSM--Jason Gastrich's
organization--written by Jason Gastrich are, by definition, vanity pages.
Don't lie Davey. You know he tried to influence the AfD by bringing you
and others to the Wikipedia in one off accounts or anonymous IPs. By the
way, those tactics can actually get you banned from the Wikipedia.
I was invited to join, but I don't really have much inspiration to be a
wikipedian myself, and I have a lot of projects not finished as it is.
Nevertheless, I think it is a good project.
Either Wolf could have made himself useful and joined in, or he could have
acknowledged that it was a good idea but not for him, like I did, instead
of which he has to use it as the next occasion to stab Jason in the back.
His bleating apologies only serve as the reason to remove the knife from
Jason's back so he can stick it in again.
Gastrich brought it on himself.
There were *plenty of indications something like this could easily happen.
But Gastrich doesn't listen to people who don't flatter his ego and falls
too easily for people who do. He was hoist by his own petard...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
So much for that "storm of the century" excuse
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A3992495C
NO held hostage by oil corporations,
ANWR demanded as ransom
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5C92195C
White House balks at spending on US citizens,
needs more billions for Iraq!
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D93595C
(Tell me again how much we spent bailing out the S&Ls?)
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Grinder" |
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| Title: Re: Jason Gastrich confesses to being the FraudBuster in a chat |
26 Dec 2005 11:55:05 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dop05j$fud$0@pita.alt.net>, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote:
Uzytkownik "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> napisal w
wiadomosci news:Ee-dnUSWlPxODzLenZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@megapath.net...
In <doncas$7mf$0@pita.alt.net>, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote:
I am sorry to see Jason used in this way, and his private conversations
flaunted in a platform which he has chosen not to participate in.
Either you have no integrity, or you are mentally ill.
DUH.
See what happens when you only listen to the opinions of people who
stroke your ego?
Gastrich brought it on himself. He falls easily for flattery. Won't
listen to anybody but sycophants. And *did try to use Wolf in trying to
ram vanity pages into the Wikipedia.
He made his bed...
The aim of this wiki project of his is to ensure that there is a good
share of christian themes covered from our perspective in Wiki. It is not
about vanity pages.
Pages about Jason Gastrich and JCSM--Jason Gastrich's
organization--written by Jason Gastrich are, by definition, vanity pages.
Don't lie Davey. You know he tried to influence the AfD by bringing you
and others to the Wikipedia in one off accounts or anonymous IPs. By the
way, those tactics can actually get you banned from the Wikipedia.
I was invited to join, but I don't really have much inspiration to be a
wikipedian myself, and I have a lot of projects not finished as it is.
Nevertheless, I think it is a good project.
Either Wolf could have made himself useful and joined in, or he could have
acknowledged that it was a good idea but not for him, like I did, instead
of which he has to use it as the next occasion to stab Jason in the back.
His bleating apologies only serve as the reason to remove the knife from
Jason's back so he can stick it in again.
Gastrich brought it on himself.
There were *plenty of indications something like this could easily happen.
But Gastrich doesn't listen to people who don't flatter his ego and falls
too easily for people who do. He was hoist by his own petard...
In this case, I'm guessing that you're using the French word, pétard.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=petard
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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26 Dec 2005 12:59:37 PM |
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In <Z7Wrf.434981$084.293443@attbi_s22>, Grinder <grinder@no.spam.maam.com>
wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dop05j$fud$0@pita.alt.net>, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote:
Uzytkownik "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> napisal w
wiadomosci news:Ee-dnUSWlPxODzLenZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@megapath.net...
In <doncas$7mf$0@pita.alt.net>, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote:
I am sorry to see Jason used in this way, and his private
conversations flaunted in a platform which he has chosen not to
participate in.
Either you have no integrity, or you are mentally ill.
DUH.
See what happens when you only listen to the opinions of people who
stroke your ego?
Gastrich brought it on himself. He falls easily for flattery. Won't
listen to anybody but sycophants. And *did try to use Wolf in trying to
ram vanity pages into the Wikipedia.
He made his bed...
The aim of this wiki project of his is to ensure that there is a good
share of christian themes covered from our perspective in Wiki. It is
not about vanity pages.
Pages about Jason Gastrich and JCSM--Jason Gastrich's
organization--written by Jason Gastrich are, by definition, vanity
pages.
Don't lie Davey. You know he tried to influence the AfD by bringing you
and others to the Wikipedia in one off accounts or anonymous IPs. By the
way, those tactics can actually get you banned from the Wikipedia.
I was invited to join, but I don't really have much inspiration to be a
wikipedian myself, and I have a lot of projects not finished as it is.
Nevertheless, I think it is a good project.
Either Wolf could have made himself useful and joined in, or he could
have acknowledged that it was a good idea but not for him, like I did,
instead of which he has to use it as the next occasion to stab Jason in
the back. His bleating apologies only serve as the reason to remove the
knife from Jason's back so he can stick it in again.
Gastrich brought it on himself.
There were *plenty of indications something like this could easily
happen. But Gastrich doesn't listen to people who don't flatter his ego
and falls too easily for people who do. He was hoist by his own
petard...
In this case, I'm guessing that you're using the French word, pétard.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=petard
Makes for an interesting mental image eh?
<G>
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
So much for that "storm of the century" excuse
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A3992495C
NO held hostage by oil corporations,
ANWR demanded as ransom
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5C92195C
White House balks at spending on US citizens,
needs more billions for Iraq!
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D93595C
(Tell me again how much we spent bailing out the S&Ls?)
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Grinder" |
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26 Dec 2005 01:16:02 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <Z7Wrf.434981$084.293443@attbi_s22>, Grinder <grinder@no.spam.maam.com>
wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dop05j$fud$0@pita.alt.net>, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote:
Uzytkownik "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> napisal w
wiadomosci news:Ee-dnUSWlPxODzLenZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@megapath.net...
In <doncas$7mf$0@pita.alt.net>, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote:
I am sorry to see Jason used in this way, and his private
conversations flaunted in a platform which he has chosen not to
participate in.
Either you have no integrity, or you are mentally ill.
DUH.
See what happens when you only listen to the opinions of people who
stroke your ego?
Gastrich brought it on himself. He falls easily for flattery. Won't
listen to anybody but sycophants. And *did try to use Wolf in trying to
ram vanity pages into the Wikipedia.
He made his bed...
The aim of this wiki project of his is to ensure that there is a good
share of christian themes covered from our perspective in Wiki. It is
not about vanity pages.
Pages about Jason Gastrich and JCSM--Jason Gastrich's
organization--written by Jason Gastrich are, by definition, vanity
pages.
Don't lie Davey. You know he tried to influence the AfD by bringing you
and others to the Wikipedia in one off accounts or anonymous IPs. By the
way, those tactics can actually get you banned from the Wikipedia.
I was invited to join, but I don't really have much inspiration to be a
wikipedian myself, and I have a lot of projects not finished as it is.
Nevertheless, I think it is a good project.
Either Wolf could have made himself useful and joined in, or he could
have acknowledged that it was a good idea but not for him, like I did,
instead of which he has to use it as the next occasion to stab Jason in
the back. His bleating apologies only serve as the reason to remove the
knife from Jason's back so he can stick it in again.
Gastrich brought it on himself.
There were *plenty of indications something like this could easily
happen. But Gastrich doesn't listen to people who don't flatter his ego
and falls too easily for people who do. He was hoist by his own
petard...
In this case, I'm guessing that you're using the French word, pétard.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=petard
Makes for an interesting mental image eh?
<G>
Especially if you factor in a confused expression of Jason's face--all
of the action is happening behind him, so he doesn't even realize the
source of his propulsion.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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26 Dec 2005 02:57:56 PM |
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In <SjXrf.435350$084.203576@attbi_s22>, Grinder <grinder@no.spam.maam.com>
wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <Z7Wrf.434981$084.293443@attbi_s22>, Grinder
<grinder@no.spam.maam.com> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dop05j$fud$0@pita.alt.net>, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote:
Uzytkownik "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> napisal w
wiadomosci news:Ee-dnUSWlPxODzLenZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@megapath.net...
In <doncas$7mf$0@pita.alt.net>, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote:
I am sorry to see Jason used in this way, and his private
conversations flaunted in a platform which he has chosen not to
participate in.
Either you have no integrity, or you are mentally ill.
DUH.
See what happens when you only listen to the opinions of people who
stroke your ego?
Gastrich brought it on himself. He falls easily for flattery. Won't
listen to anybody but sycophants. And *did try to use Wolf in trying
to ram vanity pages into the Wikipedia.
He made his bed...
The aim of this wiki project of his is to ensure that there is a good
share of christian themes covered from our perspective in Wiki. It is
not about vanity pages.
Pages about Jason Gastrich and JCSM--Jason Gastrich's
organization--written by Jason Gastrich are, by definition, vanity
pages.
Don't lie Davey. You know he tried to influence the AfD by bringing you
and others to the Wikipedia in one off accounts or anonymous IPs. By
the way, those tactics can actually get you banned from the Wikipedia.
I was invited to join, but I don't really have much inspiration to be
a wikipedian myself, and I have a lot of projects not finished as it
is.
Nevertheless, I think it is a good project.
Either Wolf could have made himself useful and joined in, or he could
have acknowledged that it was a good idea but not for him, like I did,
instead of which he has to use it as the next occasion to stab Jason
in the back. His bleating apologies only serve as the reason to remove
the knife from Jason's back so he can stick it in again.
Gastrich brought it on himself.
There were *plenty of indications something like this could easily
happen. But Gastrich doesn't listen to people who don't flatter his ego
and falls too easily for people who do. He was hoist by his own
petard...
In this case, I'm guessing that you're using the French word, pétard.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=petard
Makes for an interesting mental image eh?
<G>
Especially if you factor in a confused expression of Jason's face--all of
the action is happening behind him, so he doesn't even realize the source
of his propulsion.
Oh to be proficient in the use of Photoshop...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
So much for that "storm of the century" excuse
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A3992495C
NO held hostage by oil corporations,
ANWR demanded as ransom
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5C92195C
White House balks at spending on US citizens,
needs more billions for Iraq!
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D93595C
(Tell me again how much we spent bailing out the S&Ls?)
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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| Title: Re: Jason Gastrich confesses to being the FraudBuster in a chat |
26 Dec 2005 03:38:14 PM |
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Uzytkownik "Grinder" <grinder@no.spam.maam.com> napisal w wiadomosci
news:SjXrf.435350$084.203576@attbi_s22...
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <Z7Wrf.434981$084.293443@attbi_s22>, Grinder
<grinder@no.spam.maam.com>
wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <dop05j$fud$0@pita.alt.net>, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote:
Uzytkownik "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> napisal w
wiadomosci news:Ee-dnUSWlPxODzLenZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@megapath.net...
In <doncas$7mf$0@pita.alt.net>, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote:
I am sorry to see Jason used in this way, and his private
conversations flaunted in a platform which he has chosen not to
participate in.
Either you have no integrity, or you are mentally ill.
DUH.
See what happens when you only listen to the opinions of people who
stroke your ego?
Gastrich brought it on himself. He falls easily for flattery. Won't
listen to anybody but sycophants. And *did try to use Wolf in trying
to
ram vanity pages into the Wikipedia.
He made his bed...
The aim of this wiki project of his is to ensure that there is a good
share of christian themes covered from our perspective in Wiki. It is
not about vanity pages.
Pages about Jason Gastrich and JCSM--Jason Gastrich's
organization--written by Jason Gastrich are, by definition, vanity
pages.
Don't lie Davey. You know he tried to influence the AfD by bringing you
and others to the Wikipedia in one off accounts or anonymous IPs. By the
way, those tactics can actually get you banned from the Wikipedia.
I was invited to join, but I don't really have much inspiration to be a
wikipedian myself, and I have a lot of projects not finished as it is.
Nevertheless, I think it is a good project.
Either Wolf could have made himself useful and joined in, or he could
have acknowledged that it was a good idea but not for him, like I did,
instead of which he has to use it as the next occasion to stab Jason in
the back. His bleating apologies only serve as the reason to remove the
knife from Jason's back so he can stick it in again.
Gastrich brought it on himself.
There were *plenty of indications something like this could easily
happen. But Gastrich doesn't listen to people who don't flatter his ego
and falls too easily for people who do. He was hoist by his own
petard...
In this case, I'm guessing that you're using the French word, pétard.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=petard
Makes for an interesting mental image eh? <G>
Especially if you factor in a confused expression of Jason's face--all of
the action is happening behind him, so he doesn't even realize the source
of his propulsion.
The term "hoist by one's own petard" is Shakespearian, Hamlet, if memory
serves, and he brought it into English without the acute accent.
Ecoutez, et repetez.
Uncle Davey
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| User: "Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Jason Gastrich confesses to being the FraudBuster in a chat |
26 Dec 2005 10:13:51 AM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
Uzytkownik "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> napisal w wiadomosci
news:Ee-dnUSWlPxODzLenZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@megapath.net...
In <doncas$7mf$0@pita.alt.net>, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote:
I am sorry to see Jason used in this way, and his
private conversations flaunted in a platform which
he has chosen not to participate in.
Either you have no integrity, or you are mentally ill.
DUH.
See what happens when you only listen to the opinions of
people who stroke your ego?
Gastrich brought it on himself. He falls easily for flattery.
Won't listen to anybody but sycophants. And *did try to
use Wolf in trying to ram vanity pages into the Wikipedia.
He made his bed...
The aim of this wiki project of his is to ensure that there is
a good share of christian themes covered from our perspective...
"From our perspective?" That's known as "point of view," and what you
have done is affirmed that Gastrich is trying to engage in "POV
pushing" at Wikipedia. Thanks for the verification.
Snip more "suck up to Gastrich" commentary.
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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26 Dec 2005 03:35:12 PM |
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Uzytkownik "Dave" <horndw@gmail.com> napisal w wiadomosci
news:1135613631.229894.184940@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Uncle Davey wrote:
Uzytkownik "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> napisal w
wiadomosci
news:Ee-dnUSWlPxODzLenZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@megapath.net...
In <doncas$7mf$0@pita.alt.net>, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote:
I am sorry to see Jason used in this way, and his
private conversations flaunted in a platform which
he has chosen not to participate in.
Either you have no integrity, or you are mentally ill.
DUH.
See what happens when you only listen to the opinions of
people who stroke your ego?
Gastrich brought it on himself. He falls easily for flattery.
Won't listen to anybody but sycophants. And *did try to
use Wolf in trying to ram vanity pages into the Wikipedia.
He made his bed...
The aim of this wiki project of his is to ensure that there is
a good share of christian themes covered from our perspective...
"From our perspective?" That's known as "point of view," and what you
have done is affirmed that Gastrich is trying to engage in "POV
pushing" at Wikipedia. Thanks for the verification.
Snip more "suck up to Gastrich" commentary.
All knowledge is presented from one or other perspective.
I live in part of Europe that used to be communist, and I've got communist
dictionaries and encyclopedias which have for words such a "labour"
definitions taken from the texts of Karl Marx.
Now the encyclopedias have the capitalist definitions.
Either way, knowledge is always presented from one or other perspective.
Uncle Davey
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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26 Dec 2005 04:28:00 PM |
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In <dopnpu$u1q$0@pita.alt.net>, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote:
Uzytkownik "Dave" <horndw@gmail.com> napisal w wiadomosci
news:1135613631.229894.184940@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Uncle Davey wrote:
Uzytkownik "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> napisal w
wiadomosci
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In <doncas$7mf$0@pita.alt.net>, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote:
I am sorry to see Jason used in this way, and his private
conversations flaunted in a platform which he has chosen not to
participate in.
Either you have no integrity, or you are mentally ill.
DUH.
See what happens when you only listen to the opinions of people who
stroke your ego?
Gastrich brought it on himself. He falls easily for flattery. Won't
listen to anybody but sycophants. And *did try to use Wolf in trying
to ram vanity pages into the Wikipedia.
He made his bed...
The aim of this wiki project of his is to ensure that there is a good
share of christian themes covered from our perspective...
"From our perspective?" That's known as "point of view," and what you
have done is affirmed that Gastrich is trying to engage in "POV pushing"
at Wikipedia. Thanks for the verification.
Snip more "suck up to Gastrich" commentary.
All knowledge is presented from one or other perspective.
I live in part of Europe that used to be communist,
Oh here we go again.
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Mark K. Bilbo
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So much for that "storm of the century" excuse
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A3992495C
NO held hostage by oil corporations,
ANWR demanded as ransom
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5C92195C
White House balks at spending on US citizens,
needs more billions for Iraq!
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D93595C
(Tell me again how much we spent bailing out the S&Ls?)
http://www.nola.com
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26 Dec 2005 05:02:33 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
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I live in part of Europe that used to be communist,
Oh here we go again.
Yep...more of the same.
It'll all end soon, though. But watch all the brave noises up until
then. Then watch him run...just like he always does...
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| User: "David Horn" |
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26 Dec 2005 03:42:32 PM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
Snip
Tick, tock, tick, tock...
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26 Dec 2005 04:37:46 PM |
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Uzytkownik "David Horn" <nospam@devnull.com> napisal w wiadomosci
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Uncle Davey wrote:
Snip
Tick, tock, tick, tock...
Always jam tomorrow, never jam today.
Uncle Davey
www.usenetposts.com
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| User: "Dave" |
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26 Dec 2005 04:40:53 PM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
Uzytkownik "David Horn" <nospam@devnull.com> napisal w wiadomosci
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Uncle Davey wrote:
Snip
Tick, tock, tick, tock...
Always jam tomorrow, never jam today.
Always lie today...why wait until tomorrow?
Tick, tock, tick tock...
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| User: "Dave" |
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25 Dec 2005 07:22:52 PM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
I am sorry to see Jason used in this way, and his private
conversations flaunted in a platform which he has chosen
not to participate in.
I think that what you are sorry to see is Gastrich exposed, yet again,
as a liar and a fraud--this time by one of your own.
But it won't matter, in the end. You have your own problems--integrity
being the least of them.
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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26 Dec 2005 08:43:54 AM |
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Zazu wrote:
Uncle Davey wrote:
I am sorry to see Jason used in this way, and his private
conversations flaunted in a platform which he has chosen
not to participate in.
I think that what you are sorry to see is Gastrich exposed, yet again,
as a liar and a fraud--this time by one of your own.
But it won't matter, in the end. You have your own problems--integrity
being the least of them.
Good morning, Zazu. Nice to see you in good form, after your beak, sorry ...
break. I was a bit worried for you as you hadn't said you were gonna be a
way so long. I thought you might have flown into a tree or something.
Thank you for admitting that integrity is the least of my problems. From the
opposition such compliments are always worth having.
I was wondering this morning about carbon -14 isotope. Until Libby
discovered this in the 1940s there was no basis in the first near century of
evolution belief to posit lengthy dates for the fossils of living things,
and so the grateful atheists gave him a Nobel prize for his half-baked idea.
I wanted to ask you, as someone who happily "takes on the action" of
alledged holes in evolutionary thinking, if you can answer these carbon -14
related questions, which I shall attempt to formulate as precisely as
possible because I know that will be the first think you will use to get out
of it if I'm not careful. Either that or you will digress onto my
shortcomings in your eyes, refer me to some other lliterature which won't
actually answer the questions, or not be drawn on the matter at all.
Q1. If carbon -14 does not appear in non-living things, then where do living
organisms get it from
Q2. How do the living organisms produce it?
Q3. What is its functionality - why do they bother to produce it?
Q4. How do we know that the isotope has always been produced, and is not
something which occured only after some large natural catastrophe, such as
the K/T event?
One of my New Years resolutions is drastically to cut down participation in
Usenet and the Infidelguy.com forum, although I will still be on my
usenetposts.com forum and the Foreigners in Poland forum on gazeta.pl, so
answering by then will give us the chance for a more active discussion about
it.
Since your answering of my earlier 12 questions on evolution was so
pathetically poor, I am not expecting much. To my knowledge Professor Norman
has not responded yet to my rebuttal of his salinity article, in which I
showed that he raised more questions about evolution than he answered, but
that's cool as it took me 6 months to respond to him. I'm just reminding you
about it, however, as you continually reminded me to write back to Prof.
Norman.
Best,
Uncle Davey
www.usenetposts.com
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| User: "Grinder" |
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26 Dec 2005 12:14:38 PM |
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I'll try to be helpful here.
Uncle Davey wrote:
Q1. If carbon -14 does not appear in non-living things, then
where do living organisms get it from
Plants respirate carbon-14, and animals, in turn, ingest it when they
eat those plants.
Q2. How do the living organisms produce it?
They don't--see Q1.
Q3. What is its functionality - why do they bother to produce
it?
None, and they don't--see Q1.
Q4. How do we know that the isotope has always been produced,
and is not something which occured only after some large natural
catastrophe, such as the K/T event?
Well, for one, the half-life of carbon-14 is only around 5000 years.
So, if none has been generated in the last 65 million years there would
be vanishingly small quantities.
Also, the chemical reaction that produces carbon-14 (from nitrogen-14)
is not particularily extraordinary. Nitrogen-14 in the upper atmosphere
has abundant access to the sorts of cosmic rays needed to transform it
into Carbon-14. These reactions have also been produced in the lab, as
well as on a larger scale by atomic testing.
- - - - - -
It is fair disclosure that in answering these questions, I have made no
attempt to mitigate any lies told by physical chemists in their attempts
to destroy God.
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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26 Dec 2005 04:05:28 PM |
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Uzytkownik "Grinder" <grinder@no.spam.maam.com> napisal w wiadomosci
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I'll try to be helpful here.
Uncle Davey wrote:
Q1. If carbon -14 does not appear in non-living things, then where do
living organisms get it from
Plants respirate carbon-14, and animals, in turn, ingest it when they eat
those plants.
Q2. How do the living organisms produce it?
They don't--see Q1.
Q3. What is its functionality - why do they bother to produce it?
None, and they don't--see Q1.
Q4. How do we know that the isotope has always been produced, and is not
something which occured only after some large natural
catastrophe, such as the K/T event?
Well, for one, the half-life of carbon-14 is only around 5000 years. So,
if none has been generated in the last 65 million years there would be
vanishingly small quantities.
Also, the chemical reaction that produces carbon-14 (from nitrogen-14) is
not particularily extraordinary. Nitrogen-14 in the upper atmosphere has
abundant access to the sorts of cosmic rays needed to transform it into
Carbon-14. These reactions have also been produced in the lab, as well as
on a larger scale by atomic testing.
- - - - - -
It is fair disclosure that in answering these questions, I have made no
attempt to mitigate any lies told by physical chemists in their attempts
to destroy God.
Thank you for this, and for saving Zazu's plumey tail.
I do have further questions on it, that arise very naturally out of your
reply.
Why do the plants produce the carbon-14?
From what I remember of basic photosynthesis, plants take 6CO2 and 6H2O and,
in the presence of chlorophyll use solar energy to produce 1C6H12O6 and 6O2.
I can't see the letter N in that equation.
I can understand they might take N for protein building, but how that works
I am not too sure of.
So I still don't see how and why they make an isotope of carbon that would
not otherwise be there.
You say that N-14 will change under the influence of cosmic rays to C14?
Then why were people so sure that it could only take place in a living
system?
Maybe there is more C14 around because of global warming in the post
industrial age, and since if this were true there would have been less
before, people could have simply assumed that things are older than they
are.
Uncle Davey
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| User: "Grinder" |
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26 Dec 2005 08:16:49 PM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
Maybe there is more C14 around because of global warming in the post
industrial age, and since if this were true there would have been less
before, people could have simply assumed that things are older than they
are.
Maybe. That's why the calibration is so important. By carbon dating
materials that can be associated with other dating methods (varves, tree
rings, etc.) an index has been built that accounts for variations in
carbon-14 supply. These comparisons have been made in many places
throughout the world, and they are substantially in agreement. So, your
implicit assumption that radiometric dating relies upon the assumption
of a constant rate of carbon-14 generation is mistaken.
It does appear that you have a desire for these methods of dating to be
inaccurate. I can't really come up with a rational argument for you,
but you might consider discrediting it as lies told by an atheistic
conspiracy.
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| User: "Grinder" |
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26 Dec 2005 07:52:43 PM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
Uzytkownik "Grinder" <grinder@no.spam.maam.com> napisal w wiadomosci
news:iqWrf.434998$084.7836@attbi_s22...
I'll try to be helpful here.
Uncle Davey wrote:
Q1. If carbon -14 does not appear in non-living things, then where do
living organisms get it from
Plants respirate carbon-14, and animals, in turn, ingest it when they eat
those plants.
Q2. How do the living organisms produce it?
They don't--see Q1.
Q3. What is its functionality - why do they bother to produce it?
None, and they don't--see Q1.
Q4. How do we know that the isotope has always been produced, and is not
something which occured only after some large natural
catastrophe, such as the K/T event?
Well, for one, the half-life of carbon-14 is only around 5000 years. So,
if none has been generated in the last 65 million years there would be
vanishingly small quantities.
Also, the chemical reaction that produces carbon-14 (from nitrogen-14) is
not particularily extraordinary. Nitrogen-14 in the upper atmosphere has
abundant access to the sorts of cosmic rays needed to transform it into
Carbon-14. These reactions have also been produced in the lab, as well as
on a larger scale by atomic testing.
- - - - - -
It is fair disclosure that in answering these questions, I have made no
attempt to mitigate any lies told by physical chemists in their attempts
to destroy God.
Thank you for this, and for saving Zazu's plumey tail.
I do have further questions on it, that arise very naturally out of your
reply.
Why do the plants produce the carbon-14?
The plants do not produce it. They respirate carbon-14 that is produced
by chemical reactions in the upper atmosphere.
From what I remember of basic photosynthesis, plants take 6CO2 and 6H2O and,
in the presence of chlorophyll use solar energy to produce 1C6H12O6 and 6O2.
I can't see the letter N in that equation.
I can understand they might take N for protein building, but how that works
I am not too sure of.
So I still don't see how and why they make an isotope of carbon that would
not otherwise be there.
They don't. They simply absorb it from the environment in an incidental
way.
You say that N-14 will change under the influence of cosmic rays to C14?
Then why were people so sure that it could only take place in a living
system?
I don't how to be more clear about this. Living system do not produce
carbon-14, they only ingest it. Non-living systems do not ingest
anything--that is the distinction you're noting.
Maybe there is more C14 around because of global warming in the post
industrial age, and since if this were true there would have been less
before, people could have simply assumed that things are older than they
are.
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26 Dec 2005 08:01:03 PM |
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Grinder wrote:
Snip
You say that N-14 will change under the influence of
cosmic rays to C14? Then why were people so sure
that it could only take place in a living system?
I don't how to be more clear about this. Living system
do not produce carbon-14, they only ingest it.
And so on.
One of the reasons I'm saving my rebuttal for my series of rebuttals and
refutations is because I have no real plans to try to convince Davey of
anything. He's an omphalist and he also, by hook or by crook, simply
cannot follow the kinds of details that you have provided. Davey has
confused the issues with respect to radioactive dating before, and some
pretty well-qualified people have responded. The result is usually that
Davey disappears from the discussion, and then shows up later, making the
same claims and asking the same questions. Included in my "carpet-bombing"
to come is the idea that I would post my refutations, save the links for
future reference, and then use them if and when the subject comes up,
again.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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26 Dec 2005 12:52:13 PM |
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In <doovmn$dto$0@pita.alt.net>, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote:
One of my New Years resolutions is drastically to cut down participation
in Usenet
Promises, promises...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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So much for that "storm of the century" excuse
http://makeashorterlink.com/?A3992495C
NO held hostage by oil corporations,
ANWR demanded as ransom
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5C92195C
White House balks at spending on US citizens,
needs more billions for Iraq!
http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D93595C
(Tell me again how much we spent bailing out the S&Ls?)
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Dave" |
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26 Dec 2005 10:59:49 AM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
....not one word about Gastrich's deception and fraud.
Notice how quickly the sycophant comes out, after a significant time
during which there was little posting, at all, and what prompted the
emergence? Why, the mention of Gastrich. How tight IS that leash,
anyway?
And Davey, while trying to divert attention from the points, can't help
but lie and promote himself at the same time, either, just like
Gastrich:
Since your answering of my earlier 12 questions on evolution
was so pathetically poor, I am not expecting much.
My original "summary response" may be found here:
http://groups.google.com/group/maleboge/msg/6a73e89e040ae7dd
In that summary, I exposed most of Davey's 12 "holes" as little more
than meaningless, ignorant drivel. I promised more detailed responses,
and they will be posted--very soon--at a time of my choosing, along
with several other articles that expose not only Davey's intellectual,
psychological, educational, and spiritual deficiencies, but his
overwhelming need to play sycophant to one, Jason Gastrich, B.A., M.A.,
P.h.-oh-en-why.
And it's interesting that, at a time when I've explained, in no
uncertain terms, that I'm about to carpet-bomb Davey out of Usenet, he
tells us that one of his resolutions for the New Year is to cut back on
his participation.
Regardless, the countdown has begun.
Tick, tock. Tick, tock.
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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26 Dec 2005 03:55:33 PM |
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Zazu squawked:
Uncle Davey wrote:
...not one word about Gastrich's deception and fraud.
Notice how quickly the sycophant comes out, after a significant time
during which there was little posting, at all, and what prompted the
emergence? Why, the mention of Gastrich. How tight IS that leash,
anyway?
And Davey, while trying to divert attention from the points, can't help
but lie and promote himself at the same time, either, just like
Gastrich:
Since your answering of my earlier 12 questions on evolution
was so pathetically poor, I am not expecting much.
My original "summary response" may be found here:
http://groups.google.com/group/maleboge/msg/6a73e89e040ae7dd
In that summary, I exposed most of Davey's 12 "holes" as little more
than meaningless, ignorant drivel. I promised more detailed responses,
and they will be posted--very soon--at a time of my choosing, along
with several other articles that expose not only Davey's intellectual,
psychological, educational, and spiritual deficiencies, but his
overwhelming need to play sycophant to one, Jason Gastrich, B.A., M.A.,
P.h.-oh-en-why.
And it's interesting that, at a time when I've explained, in no
uncertain terms, that I'm about to carpet-bomb Davey out of Usenet, he
tells us that one of his resolutions for the New Year is to cut back on
his participation.
Regardless, the countdown has begun.
Tick, tock. Tick, tock.
It's always jam tomorrow with you, Zazu, never jam today.
You talk about carpet bombing me as though you had technical solutions at
your fingertips that I don't have.
OK, you may know Unix, but all that means is, if we do have internecine war,
you pay with time, I pay with money, and we see who spends more...
Uncle Davey
www.usenetposts.com
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26 Dec 2005 04:41:42 PM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
Snip brave talk, because that's all it ever is...
Tick, tock, tick, tock...
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26 Dec 2005 04:50:16 PM |
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Zazu:
Uncle Davey wrote:
Snip brave talk, because that's all it ever is...
from you, Zazu.
Tick, tock, tick, tock...
Male menopause issues, Zazu?
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| User: "Dave" |
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26 Dec 2005 04:59:37 PM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
Snip
Tick, tock, tick, tock...
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28 Dec 2005 06:08:13 AM |
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Uzytkownik "Dave" <horndw@gmail.com> napisal w wiadomosci
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Uncle Davey wrote:
Snip
Tick, tock, tick, tock...
Ticky tocky took
Zazu is a kook
A cop, they say he was before
But never caught a crook
That's why he spends his time now
Looking out for "frauds"
Which means things done by theists
Which - in atheists - he applauds.
Zazu threatens Davey with
A "carpetbomb" assault
But Davey takes tomorrow's jam
With a pinch of salt.
Best,
Uncle Davey
www.usenetposts.com
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| User: "Dave" |
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28 Dec 2005 10:07:53 AM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
Snip
Tick, tock, tick, tock...
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26 Dec 2005 10:15:04 AM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
Snip complete dodging of the points.
Tick, tock, tick tock...
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26 Dec 2005 04:06:36 PM |
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Uzytkownik "Dave" <horndw@gmail.com> napisal w wiadomosci
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Uncle Davey wrote:
Snip complete dodging of the points.
Tick, tock, tick tock...
For "snip" read "perform". You just dodged my points. Just like I said you
would.
Uncle Davey
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