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"Mike Painter" |
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28 Mar 2005 06:02:06 PM |
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Jason has started |
Jason has started the debate. I hope he was sitting down at the time since
he shot himself in both feet at the start.
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=118609
He does not seem to know there is a difference between evidence and
arguments "I'll be presenting arguments for the existence of God. "
He also has another add up for his web site and here (rimshot) is what he
will be using:
'My argument for God's existence will consist of five main parts. These
include:
1. The Inerrant Bible
2. My Long-term Relationship with God
3. Miracles and the Effects of Prayer
4. Fulfilled Biblical Prophecies
5. Intelligent Design"
I guess he missed school the day ID was explained.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Jason has started |
28 Mar 2005 06:52:54 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:2W02e.16377
$C47.15626@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=118609
Jason:
Perhaps Doug could answer a couple more
questions for me. Why do you think the
majority of the world is over 90% Christian?
Aside from the poor grammar, this is clearly false. The "majority" of
the world's human population is not Christian, "90%" for the human
population is not Christian, and not even "90% of the majority of the
world's population" is Christian. (90% of 51% is 45.9%.)
Jason:
Why do you think the highest concentration
of atheists live in Communist China?
I don't know that this is true, and I don't see that it matters.
Why do you think the strongest and most
successful country in the world is a
Christian country?
So, when Rome was the "strongest and most successful country in the
world", Zeus was real, but he isn't anymore?
Jason:
If you want to challenge the notion that
the U.S. is a Christian country, then
consider the fact that over 80% of its
inhabitants claim to be Christian! If
another country claimed to be even 70%
Muslim, we’d label it a Muslim country
(and we do).
No, we label such countries as "Muslim" because they incorporate that
religion into their legal system and political systems, and they require
religious tests for political office.
Jason:
The Bible answers the important questions
about life. How did we get here? Why are
we here? What are we supposed to do here?
What happens after we die?
The Bible certainly provides answers, but I like my answers to reflect
reality, to be true. The Bible's answers do not reflect reality, and are
often demostratably false.
Jason:
Atheism answers nothing.
Correct. But it provides a "clean slate", a way to begin searching for
answers.
Jason:
It simply denies everything and naysays. It’s
an incredible position based on willful ignorance.
No, it only denies that there is a god or gods. The ignorance is on
Jason's end.
Jason:
The evidence for God is far too compelling
to consider it anything but reasonable.
The evidence for _which_ god is so compelling? Whay are some many people
uncompelled to believe in an all-powerful God?
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplin and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
It is clear that thought is not free if the profession of certain
opinions make it impossible to earn a living.
-- Bertrand Russell
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| User: "Secular Fundamentalist" |
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| Title: Re: Jason has started |
29 Mar 2005 03:50:09 AM |
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I was working in the lab, late one night
when my eyes beheld an eerie sight.
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> from the slab began to
rise
and suddenly, to my surprise, wrote:
Jason has started the debate. I hope he was sitting down at the time since
he shot himself in both feet at the start.
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=118609
He does not seem to know there is a difference between evidence and
arguments "I'll be presenting arguments for the existence of God. "
He also has another add up for his web site and here (rimshot) is what he
will be using:
'My argument for God's existence will consist of five main parts. These
include:
1. The Inerrant Bible
2. My Long-term Relationship with God
3. Miracles and the Effects of Prayer
4. Fulfilled Biblical Prophecies
5. Intelligent Design"
I guess he missed school the day ID was explained.
"Now, naysayers will ask how certain, unverifiable things in the Bible
happened. These things include miracles like the sun standing still,
the Red Sea being parted, etc. These are good questions and questions
we should ask. However, the lack of answers doesn’t prove they didn’t
happen."
ROTFLMAO. Who needs lions?
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
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| User: "Liz" |
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29 Mar 2005 05:52:18 AM |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:50:09 +0100, Secular Fundamentalist
<Bill.Frindall@answersinWisden.org> in news message
<l29i411mnodvpd4a7ht51o47237p6cvppt@4ax.com> wrote:
I was working in the lab, late one night
when my eyes beheld an eerie sight.
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> from the slab began to
rise
and suddenly, to my surprise, wrote:
Jason has started the debate. I hope he was sitting down at the time since
he shot himself in both feet at the start.
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=118609
He does not seem to know there is a difference between evidence and
arguments "I'll be presenting arguments for the existence of God. "
He also has another add up for his web site and here (rimshot) is what he
will be using:
'My argument for God's existence will consist of five main parts. These
include:
1. The Inerrant Bible
2. My Long-term Relationship with God
3. Miracles and the Effects of Prayer
4. Fulfilled Biblical Prophecies
5. Intelligent Design"
I guess he missed school the day ID was explained.
"Now, naysayers will ask how certain, unverifiable things in the Bible
happened. These things include miracles like the sun standing still,
the Red Sea being parted, etc. These are good questions and questions
we should ask. However, the lack of answers doesn’t prove they didn’t
happen."
My head hurts and it's only 6:40 am. I pity Jason's debate opponent
for how can anyone try to give a serious rebuttal to statements like
the above? It sounds like one of the "proofs of God®" on Dave
Holloway's website. (1)
PROOF FROM BIBLE STORIES
1. The Bible tells of many impossible and unverifiable happenings.
2. You can't prove that these happenings didn't actually happen.
3. Nyah, nyah, nyah.
4. The Bible is without error.
5. Therefore, God® exists.
The mind boggles.
(1) http://myweb.cableone.net/silentdave/tge.htm
Liz #658 BAAWA
I could not believe that anyone who had read this book
would be so foolish as to proclaim that the Bible in every
literal word was the divinely inspired, inerrant word of
God? Have these people simply not read the text? Are they
hopelessly uninformed? Is there a different Bible? Are
they blinded by a combination of ego needs and naivete?
-- Bishop John Shelby Spong!
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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28 Mar 2005 06:49:11 PM |
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In our last episode <2W02e.16377$C47.15626@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>,
Mike Painter pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Jason has started the debate.
Apparently by posting gibberish...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "stoney" |
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30 Mar 2005 05:43:25 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:49:11 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <2W02e.16377$C47.15626@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>,
Mike Painter pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Jason has started the debate.
Apparently by posting gibberish...
That's all he's god.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "David D. aa#2219 thanks to Gastrich" |
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28 Mar 2005 06:20:18 PM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
Jason has started the debate. I hope he was sitting down at the time
since
he shot himself in both feet at the start.
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=118609
He does not seem to know there is a difference between evidence and
arguments "I'll be presenting arguments for the existence of God. "
He also has another add up for his web site and here (rimshot) is
what he
will be using:
'My argument for God's existence will consist of five main parts.
These
include:
1. The Inerrant Bible
2. My Long-term Relationship with God
3. Miracles and the Effects of Prayer
4. Fulfilled Biblical Prophecies
5. Intelligent Design"
I guess he missed school the day ID was explained.
Did you see his conclusions?
START QUOTE Gastrich
Perhaps Doug could answer a couple more questions
for me. Why do you think the majority of the world is
over 90% Christian? Why do you think the highest
concentration of atheists live in Communist China?
Why do you think the strongest and must successful
country in the world is a Christian country?
If you want to challenge the notion that the U.S. is a
Christian country, then consider the fact that over 80%
of its inhabitants claim to be Christian! If another
country claimed to be even 70% Muslim, we'd label it
a Muslim country (and we do).
END QUOTE
I've seen him quote this 90% twice now. Where does he
get these numbers from? I really wonder if he is about
to have a breakdown. He seems to imagine if he states
something it must be so. This is close to a God complex.
David D.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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28 Mar 2005 06:46:02 PM |
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David D. aa#2219 thanks to Gastrich wrote:
<snip>
Did you see his conclusions?
START QUOTE Gastrich
Perhaps Doug could answer a couple more questions
for me. Why do you think the majority of the world is
over 90% Christian? Why do you think the highest
concentration of atheists live in Communist China?
Why do you think the strongest and must successful
country in the world is a Christian country?
If you want to challenge the notion that the U.S. is a
Christian country, then consider the fact that over 80%
of its inhabitants claim to be Christian! If another
country claimed to be even 70% Muslim, we'd label it
a Muslim country (and we do).
END QUOTE
I've seen him quote this 90% twice now. Where does he
get these numbers from? I really wonder if he is about
to have a breakdown. He seems to imagine if he states
something it must be so. This is close to a God complex.
Who knows. He does not seem to think Catholics are christian and that puts
True Christians (TM) closer to the ten percent mark.
A few minutes after my original post a thought hit me about death and Jason.
No matter how expected it is, death always comes as a surprise to most
people.
Even if they have been told to expect it in the next few hours, they don't
expect it.
I *knew* Jason was going to do something like what he did. All the evidence
pointed to it, yet when he did it, it was a surprise.
But he did answer my question about having learned anything.
The answer was no.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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28 Mar 2005 06:50:29 PM |
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In our last episode <ez12e.2609$FN4.742@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, Mike
Painter pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
David D. aa#2219 thanks to Gastrich wrote:
<snip>
Did you see his conclusions?
START QUOTE Gastrich
Perhaps Doug could answer a couple more questions for me. Why do you
think the majority of the world is over 90% Christian? Why do you think
the highest concentration of atheists live in Communist China? Why do
you think the strongest and must successful country in the world is a
Christian country?
If you want to challenge the notion that the U.S. is a Christian
country, then consider the fact that over 80% of its inhabitants claim
to be Christian! If another country claimed to be even 70% Muslim, we'd
label it a Muslim country (and we do).
END QUOTE
I've seen him quote this 90% twice now. Where does he get these numbers
from? I really wonder if he is about to have a breakdown. He seems to
imagine if he states something it must be so. This is close to a God
complex.
Who knows. He does not seem to think Catholics are christian and that puts
True Christians (TM) closer to the ten percent mark.
A few minutes after my original post a thought hit me about death and
Jason.
No matter how expected it is, death always comes as a surprise to most
people.
Even if they have been told to expect it in the next few hours, they don't
expect it.
I *knew* Jason was going to do something like what he did. All the
evidence pointed to it, yet when he did it, it was a surprise.
But he did answer my question about having learned anything. The answer
was no.
Trying to wade through the babble he posted, it struck me he's regressing...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "David D. aa#2219 thanks to Gastrich" |
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28 Mar 2005 06:56:31 PM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
David D. aa#2219 thanks to Gastrich wrote:
<snip>
Did you see his conclusions?
START QUOTE Gastrich
Perhaps Doug could answer a couple more questions
for me. Why do you think the majority of the world is
over 90% Christian? Why do you think the highest
concentration of atheists live in Communist China?
Why do you think the strongest and must successful
country in the world is a Christian country?
If you want to challenge the notion that the U.S. is a
Christian country, then consider the fact that over 80%
of its inhabitants claim to be Christian! If another
country claimed to be even 70% Muslim, we'd label it
a Muslim country (and we do).
END QUOTE
I've seen him quote this 90% twice now. Where does he
get these numbers from? I really wonder if he is about
to have a breakdown. He seems to imagine if he states
something it must be so. This is close to a God complex.
Who knows. He does not seem to think Catholics are christian and that
puts
True Christians (TM) closer to the ten percent mark.
A few minutes after my original post a thought hit me about death and
Jason.
No matter how expected it is, death always comes as a surprise to
most
people.
Even if they have been told to expect it in the next few hours, they
don't
expect it.
I *knew* Jason was going to do something like what he did. All the
evidence
pointed to it, yet when he did it, it was a surprise.
But he did answer my question about having learned anything.
The answer was no.
Learn is a dirty word to Jason. Apparently he
prefers to repeat his mistakes again and again.
His humiliation is total and yet he always claims
victory? He seems to have been cursed to live
through these debates for ever.
Could God be so cruel as to let him suffer this way?
I suppose in this case God is like morphine since
gastrich seems to show no signs of pain. Not to
mention great eyesight!
David D.
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| User: "Harvest Dancer" |
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28 Mar 2005 07:13:22 PM |
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David D. aa#2219 thanks to Gastrich wrote:
Did you see his conclusions?
START QUOTE Gastrich
Perhaps Doug could answer a couple more questions
for me. Why do you think the majority of the world is
over 90% Christian? Why do you think the highest
concentration of atheists live in Communist China?
Why do you think the strongest and must successful
country in the world is a Christian country?
If you want to challenge the notion that the U.S. is a
Christian country, then consider the fact that over 80%
of its inhabitants claim to be Christian! If another
country claimed to be even 70% Muslim, we'd label it
a Muslim country (and we do).
END QUOTE
I've seen him quote this 90% twice now. Where does he
get these numbers from? I really wonder if he is about
to have a breakdown. He seems to imagine if he states
something it must be so. This is close to a God complex.
David D.
I think Gastrich is either confusing the United States statistic with
the World statistic, or thinks the United States is the world.
Jason Harvestdancer
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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29 Mar 2005 12:08:50 AM |
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"Harvest Dancer" <harvestdancer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1112058802.481338.43550@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
David D. aa#2219 thanks to Gastrich wrote:
Did you see his conclusions?
START QUOTE Gastrich
Perhaps Doug could answer a couple more questions
for me. Why do you think the majority of the world is
over 90% Christian? Why do you think the highest
concentration of atheists live in Communist China?
Why do you think the strongest and must successful
country in the world is a Christian country?
If you want to challenge the notion that the U.S. is a
Christian country, then consider the fact that over 80%
of its inhabitants claim to be Christian! If another
country claimed to be even 70% Muslim, we'd label it
a Muslim country (and we do).
END QUOTE
I've seen him quote this 90% twice now. Where does he
get these numbers from? I really wonder if he is about
to have a breakdown. He seems to imagine if he states
something it must be so. This is close to a God complex.
David D.
I think Gastrich is either confusing the United States statistic with
the World statistic, or thinks the United States is the world.
Jason Harvestdancer
And, for him to deliberately use such incorrect figures in a
debate shows exactly how dishonest he is. He is going to
get creamed. The actual worldwide figure for Christianity is
probably a lot closer to maybe 40%, considering that it was
only a little over 33% in 1994. And, I think it's starting to
go down again.
http://www.irfwp.org/content/archives/000085.shtml
http://www.religioustolerance.org/rel_coun.htm
http://www.noharmm.org/religiouspop.htm
http://encyclopedia.lockergnome.com/s/b/List_of_religious_populations
http://www.zpub.com/un/pope/relig.html
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^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
alt.atheism atheist/agnostic list name collector
BAAWA Knight & EAC Bible thumper thumper
http://questioner.www2.50megs.com
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| User: "David D. aa#2219 thanks to Gastrich" |
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29 Mar 2005 12:14:40 AM |
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Michelle Malkin wrote:
"Harvest Dancer" <harvestdancer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1112058802.481338.43550@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
David D. aa#2219 thanks to Gastrich wrote:
Did you see his conclusions?
START QUOTE Gastrich
Perhaps Doug could answer a couple more questions
for me. Why do you think the majority of the world is
over 90% Christian? Why do you think the highest
concentration of atheists live in Communist China?
Why do you think the strongest and must successful
country in the world is a Christian country?
If you want to challenge the notion that the U.S. is a
Christian country, then consider the fact that over 80%
of its inhabitants claim to be Christian! If another
country claimed to be even 70% Muslim, we'd label it
a Muslim country (and we do).
END QUOTE
I've seen him quote this 90% twice now. Where does he
get these numbers from? I really wonder if he is about
to have a breakdown. He seems to imagine if he states
something it must be so. This is close to a God complex.
David D.
I think Gastrich is either confusing the United States statistic
with
the World statistic, or thinks the United States is the world.
Jason Harvestdancer
And, for him to deliberately use such incorrect figures in a
debate shows exactly how dishonest he is. He is going to
get creamed. The actual worldwide figure for Christianity is
probably a lot closer to maybe 40%, considering that it was
only a little over 33% in 1994. And, I think it's starting to
go down again.
http://www.irfwp.org/content/archives/000085.shtml
http://www.religioustolerance.org/rel_coun.htm
http://www.noharmm.org/religiouspop.htm
http://encyclopedia.lockergnome.com/s/b/List_of_religious_populations
http://www.zpub.com/un/pope/relig.html
I went back and found a thread where he had
mentioned this stat before:
( http://tinyurl.com/69jxl ).
START Gastrich Quote
Gastrich wrote
Steve Hutchison wrote:
David Sienkiewicz wrote:
You know, Jason, HarvestDancer is right. When
you presume to pray to a supernatural entity to
override the wishes of an individual, you are as
much as cursing that person.
Excellent point there. I hadn't really thought of it in
that way. Kind of fun to critisise their point of view
isn't it :-)
Atheists unite across the world to defeat the wicked
Christians and the evil they have wrought upon their
fellow human beings ......
That being said; the awful Jews and the wretched
Muslims are no better.
Perhaps we should send them all to an island
somewhere and they can kill each other off.
We make up 91.3% of the island we call Earth.
END Gastrich Quote
Given the context it appears he is saying over 90%
believe in a god of some sort. It is possible that
Gastrich has become so obsessed with attacking
atheists he confused the stats of 'being Christian' with
'believing in a god' as he rushed to post his opening
statement. It will be interesting to see if he will clarify
this point.
David D.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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29 Mar 2005 12:16:09 AM |
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Michelle Malkin wrote:
And, for him to deliberately use such incorrect figures in a
debate shows exactly how dishonest he is. He is going to
get creamed. The actual worldwide figure for Christianity is
probably a lot closer to maybe 40%, considering that it was
only a little over 33% in 1994. And, I think it's starting to
go down again.
Worse than that. Jason says that Catholics are not christian, that more than
half of what the rest call christian.
He also excludes all those that don't subscribe to *his* version. That
eliminates all of main stream prodestants and most everybody else.
I'd be mazed if there were .1 percent that are christian by his views.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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29 Mar 2005 12:59:27 AM |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 06:16:09 GMT in alt.atheism, Mike Painter ("Mike
Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Michelle Malkin wrote:
And, for him to deliberately use such incorrect figures in a
debate shows exactly how dishonest he is. He is going to
get creamed. The actual worldwide figure for Christianity is
probably a lot closer to maybe 40%, considering that it was
only a little over 33% in 1994. And, I think it's starting to
go down again.
Worse than that. Jason says that Catholics are not christian, that more than
half of what the rest call christian.
He also excludes all those that don't subscribe to *his* version. That
eliminates all of main stream prodestants and most everybody else.
I'd be mazed if there were .1 percent that are christian by his views.
Given Jason's idiosyncratic "theology," I very much suspect the actual
percentage is nearer to 1.6666666666666666666666666666667e-8,
or 1 in 6 billion.
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| User: "stoney" |
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30 Mar 2005 05:42:37 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 06:16:09 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
And, for him to deliberately use such incorrect figures in a
debate shows exactly how dishonest he is. He is going to
get creamed. The actual worldwide figure for Christianity is
probably a lot closer to maybe 40%, considering that it was
only a little over 33% in 1994. And, I think it's starting to
go down again.
Worse than that. Jason says that Catholics are not christian, that more than
half of what the rest call christian.
He also excludes all those that don't subscribe to *his* version. That
eliminates all of main stream prodestants and most everybody else.
I'd be mazed if there were .1 percent that are christian by his views.
Jason, of course, is the only True Christian®.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "stoney" |
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30 Mar 2005 05:41:23 PM |
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On 28 Mar 2005 17:13:22 -0800, "Harvest Dancer"
<harvestdancer@hotmail.com> wrote:
David D. aa#2219 thanks to Gastrich wrote:
Did you see his conclusions?
START QUOTE Gastrich
Perhaps Doug could answer a couple more questions
for me. Why do you think the majority of the world is
over 90% Christian? Why do you think the highest
concentration of atheists live in Communist China?
Why do you think the strongest and must successful
country in the world is a Christian country?
If you want to challenge the notion that the U.S. is a
Christian country, then consider the fact that over 80%
of its inhabitants claim to be Christian! If another
country claimed to be even 70% Muslim, we'd label it
a Muslim country (and we do).
END QUOTE
I've seen him quote this 90% twice now. Where does he
get these numbers from? I really wonder if he is about
to have a breakdown. He seems to imagine if he states
something it must be so. This is close to a God complex.
David D.
I think Gastrich is either confusing the United States statistic with
the World statistic, or thinks the United States is the world.
The latter, however 'think' and gassy are diametric opposites.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Grinder" |
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28 Mar 2005 06:35:59 PM |
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David D. aa#2219 thanks to Gastrich wrote:
Mike Painter wrote:
Jason has started the debate. I hope he was sitting down at the time
since
he shot himself in both feet at the start.
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=118609
He does not seem to know there is a difference between evidence and
arguments "I'll be presenting arguments for the existence of God. "
He also has another add up for his web site and here (rimshot) is
what he
will be using:
'My argument for God's existence will consist of five main parts.
These
include:
1. The Inerrant Bible
2. My Long-term Relationship with God
3. Miracles and the Effects of Prayer
4. Fulfilled Biblical Prophecies
5. Intelligent Design"
I guess he missed school the day ID was explained.
Did you see his conclusions?
START QUOTE Gastrich
Perhaps Doug could answer a couple more questions
for me. Why do you think the majority of the world is
over 90% Christian? Why do you think the highest
concentration of atheists live in Communist China?
Why do you think the strongest and must successful
country in the world is a Christian country?
If you want to challenge the notion that the U.S. is a
Christian country, then consider the fact that over 80%
of its inhabitants claim to be Christian! If another
country claimed to be even 70% Muslim, we'd label it
a Muslim country (and we do).
END QUOTE
I've seen him quote this 90% twice now. Where does he
get these numbers from? I really wonder if he is about
to have a breakdown. He seems to imagine if he states
something it must be so. This is close to a God complex.
What does it mean for someone to be "90% Christian?"
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| User: "Liz" |
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28 Mar 2005 06:48:15 PM |
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On 28 Mar 2005 16:20:18 -0800, "David D. aa#2219 thanks to Gastrich"
<daycd@hotmail.com> in news message
<1112055618.195281.182460@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Mike Painter wrote:
Jason has started the debate. I hope he was sitting down at the time
since
he shot himself in both feet at the start.
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=118609
[----]
Did you see his conclusions?
START QUOTE Gastrich
Perhaps Doug could answer a couple more questions
for me. Why do you think the majority of the world is
over 90% Christian?
[---]
END QUOTE
I've seen him quote this 90% twice now. Where does he
get these numbers from? I really wonder if he is about
to have a breakdown. He seems to imagine if he states
something it must be so. This is close to a God complex.
I've tried to parse his claim. He seems to be saying that the
majority (greater than 51%) of the world is 90% Christian, therefore
(doing the math) 46% of the world is Christian, which I think is
fairly close albeit an awkward way of phrasing the assertion.
However, if he meant the 90% of the world is Christian, or that 90% of
the United States is Christian, then he is just wrong. The truth of
the matter may be that Jason lives in his own little world where he
doesn't notice people who aren't Christian, except for praying from a
purloined list for atheists who he claims actually believe "deep down"
in God® but are just too stubborn to admit it.
Liz #658 BAAWA
I find it absolutely incredible that a creator god and his savior son
would, instead of coming down to earth and handing us their message
personally, choose to communicate with mankind through cheese sandwiches.
- Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: Jason has started |
29 Mar 2005 12:55:14 AM |
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TV's David D. aa#2219 thanks to Gastrich wrote:
Mike Painter wrote:
Jason has started the debate. I hope he was sitting down at the time
since
he shot himself in both feet at the start.
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=118609
He does not seem to know there is a difference between evidence and
arguments "I'll be presenting arguments for the existence of God. "
He also has another add up for his web site and here (rimshot) is what he
will be using:
'My argument for God's existence will consist of five main parts. These
include:
1. The Inerrant Bible
2. My Long-term Relationship with God
3. Miracles and the Effects of Prayer
4. Fulfilled Biblical Prophecies
5. Intelligent Design"
I guess he missed school the day ID was explained.
Did you see his conclusions?
START QUOTE Gastrich
Perhaps Doug could answer a couple more questions
for me. Why do you think the majority of the world is
over 90% Christian? Why do you think the highest
concentration of atheists live in Communist China?
Why do you think the strongest and must successful
country in the world is a Christian country?
If you want to challenge the notion that the U.S. is a
Christian country, then consider the fact that over 80%
of its inhabitants claim to be Christian! If another
country claimed to be even 70% Muslim, we'd label it
a Muslim country (and we do).
END QUOTE
I've seen him quote this 90% twice now. Where does he
get these numbers from? I really wonder if he is about
to have a breakdown. He seems to imagine if he states
something it must be so. This is close to a God complex.
Jason says "the majority of the world is over 90% Christian."I don't quite
understand. Are you saying the majority of the earth's inhabitants only
consider themselves 9/10ths Christian?
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Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning.
A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing.
- Maynard James Keenan
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: Jason has started |
28 Mar 2005 07:14:56 PM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
Jason has started the debate. I hope he was sitting down at the time since
he shot himself in both feet at the start.
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=118609
He does not seem to know there is a difference between evidence and
arguments "I'll be presenting arguments for the existence of God. "
He also has another add up for his web site and here (rimshot) is what he
will be using:
'My argument for God's existence will consist of five main parts. These
include:
1. The Inerrant Bible
2. My Long-term Relationship with God
3. Miracles and the Effects of Prayer
Boing! After my ribbing him about prayer's
inability to convert Atheists, he makes THIS claim!
What a schmoe.
4. Fulfilled Biblical Prophecies
5. Intelligent Design"
I guess he missed school the day ID was explained.
--
When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "duke" |
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29 Mar 2005 05:29:29 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:14:56 -0600, wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
1. The Inerrant Bible
2. My Long-term Relationship with God
3. Miracles and the Effects of Prayer
Boing! After my ribbing him about prayer's
inability to convert Atheists, he makes THIS claim!
What a schmoe.
Your error is that prayer compels conversion. Only an atheist believes that.
Geez but you guys are easy.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Jason has started |
29 Mar 2005 08:55:55 PM |
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In our last episode <m4pj41t3uv96qjj7d4cc4ft3icmoqqvu8i@4ax.com>, duke
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:14:56 -0600, wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
1. The Inerrant Bible
2. My Long-term Relationship with God 3. Miracles and the Effects of
Prayer
Boing! After my ribbing him about prayer's inability to convert
Atheists, he makes THIS claim! What a schmoe.
Your error is that prayer compels conversion. Only an atheist believes
that.
Geez but you guys are easy.
Oh what would you know? Gastrich says Catholics aren't Real Christians
anyway...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "duke" |
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30 Mar 2005 05:49:29 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:55:55 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster>
wrote:
Your error is that prayer compels conversion. Only an atheist believes
that.
Geez but you guys are easy.
Oh what would you know? Gastrich says Catholics aren't Real Christians
anyway...
Like I care what he thinks. I believe Christ first.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Jason has started |
29 Mar 2005 07:22:18 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:14:56 -0600, wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
1. The Inerrant Bible
2. My Long-term Relationship with God
3. Miracles and the Effects of Prayer
Boing! After my ribbing him about prayer's
inability to convert Atheists, he makes THIS claim!
What a schmoe.
Your error is that prayer compels conversion. Only an atheist
believes that.
Geez but you guys are easy.
Tell that to Jason. he's the one making the claim.
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: Jason has started |
29 Mar 2005 01:20:54 AM |
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TV's wcb wrote:
Mike Painter wrote:
Jason has started the debate. I hope he was sitting down at the time
since
he shot himself in both feet at the start.
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=118609
He does not seem to know there is a difference between evidence and
arguments "I'll be presenting arguments for the existence of God. "
He also has another add up for his web site and here (rimshot) is what he
will be using:
'My argument for God's existence will consist of five main parts. These
include:
1. The Inerrant Bible
2. My Long-term Relationship with God
3. Miracles and the Effects of Prayer
Boing! After my ribbing him about prayer's
inability to convert Atheists, he makes THIS claim!
What a schmoe.
Some preacher told some story in a sermon which is proof enough for Gassy.
He doesn't understand we have higher standards.
--
Beliefs are dangerous. Beliefs allow the mind to stop functioning.
A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing.
- Maynard James Keenan
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Jason has started |
30 Mar 2005 05:43:59 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:20:54 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
TV's wcb wrote:
Mike Painter wrote:
Jason has started the debate. I hope he was sitting down at the time
since
he shot himself in both feet at the start.
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=118609
He does not seem to know there is a difference between evidence and
arguments "I'll be presenting arguments for the existence of God. "
He also has another add up for his web site and here (rimshot) is what he
will be using:
'My argument for God's existence will consist of five main parts. These
include:
1. The Inerrant Bible
2. My Long-term Relationship with God
3. Miracles and the Effects of Prayer
Boing! After my ribbing him about prayer's
inability to convert Atheists, he makes THIS claim!
What a schmoe.
Some preacher told some story in a sermon which is proof enough for Gassy.
He doesn't understand we have higher standards.
Correction, we have standards.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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| Title: Re: Jason has started |
28 Mar 2005 07:23:05 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 00:02:06 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Jason has started the debate. I hope he was sitting down at the time since
he shot himself in both feet at the start.
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=118609
He does not seem to know there is a difference between evidence and
arguments "I'll be presenting arguments for the existence of God. "
He also has another add up for his web site and here (rimshot) is what he
will be using:
'My argument for God's existence will consist of five main parts. These
include:
1. The Inerrant Bible
2. My Long-term Relationship with God
3. Miracles and the Effects of Prayer
4. Fulfilled Biblical Prophecies
5. Intelligent Design"
Given the premises, I'm surprised anyone would bother to debate
him. Somebody must have a high powered rifle and scope and wants to
shoot cows.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "Kate " |
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28 Mar 2005 09:50:03 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:23:05 GMT, Steve Knight <wooly@sonic.net>
wrote:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 00:02:06 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Jason has started the debate. I hope he was sitting down at the time since
he shot himself in both feet at the start.
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=118609
He does not seem to know there is a difference between evidence and
arguments "I'll be presenting arguments for the existence of God. "
He also has another add up for his web site and here (rimshot) is what he
will be using:
'My argument for God's existence will consist of five main parts. These
include:
1. The Inerrant Bible
2. My Long-term Relationship with God
3. Miracles and the Effects of Prayer
4. Fulfilled Biblical Prophecies
5. Intelligent Design"
Given the premises, I'm surprised anyone would bother to debate
him. Somebody must have a high powered rifle and scope and wants to
shoot cows.
I question why people would want to encourage someone who is obviously
mentally ill.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Jason has started |
29 Mar 2005 12:46:47 AM |
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On 28 Mar 2005 21:50:03 -0600 in free.christians, Kate
(cobalt@newscene.com (Kate )) said, directing the reply to
free.christians
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:23:05 GMT, Steve Knight <wooly@sonic.net>
wrote:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 00:02:06 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Jason has started the debate. I hope he was sitting down at the time since
he shot himself in both feet at the start.
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=118609
He does not seem to know there is a difference between evidence and
arguments "I'll be presenting arguments for the existence of God. "
He also has another add up for his web site and here (rimshot) is what he
will be using:
'My argument for God's existence will consist of five main parts. These
include:
1. The Inerrant Bible
2. My Long-term Relationship with God
3. Miracles and the Effects of Prayer
4. Fulfilled Biblical Prophecies
5. Intelligent Design"
Given the premises, I'm surprised anyone would bother to debate
him. Somebody must have a high powered rifle and scope and wants to
shoot cows.
I question why people would want to encourage someone who is obviously
mentally ill.
Think of it as occupational therapy. And of course, if he's here, he's
not doing damage in the real world.
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| User: "Kate " |
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29 Mar 2005 09:05:04 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:46:47 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 28 Mar 2005 21:50:03 -0600 in free.christians, Kate
(cobalt@newscene.com (Kate )) said, directing the reply to
free.christians
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:23:05 GMT, Steve Knight <wooly@sonic.net>
wrote:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 00:02:06 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Jason has started the debate. I hope he was sitting down at the time since
he shot himself in both feet at the start.
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=118609
He does not seem to know there is a difference between evidence and
arguments "I'll be presenting arguments for the existence of God. "
He also has another add up for his web site and here (rimshot) is what he
will be using:
'My argument for God's existence will consist of five main parts. These
include:
1. The Inerrant Bible
2. My Long-term Relationship with God
3. Miracles and the Effects of Prayer
4. Fulfilled Biblical Prophecies
5. Intelligent Design"
Given the premises, I'm surprised anyone would bother to debate
him. Somebody must have a high powered rifle and scope and wants to
shoot cows.
I question why people would want to encourage someone who is obviously
mentally ill.
Think of it as occupational therapy. And of course, if he's here, he's
not doing damage in the real world.
No, I won't think of it as therapy. It's not cool any more than it's
cool to pick on and laugh at the villiage idiot.
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