Religions > Atheism > JCSM - 100,000 Pages! Now Includes The New Advent Transcrption of the Catholic Encyclopedia?!
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"Therion Ware" |
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11 May 2005 04:41:07 AM |
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JCSM - 100,000 Pages! Now Includes The New Advent Transcrption of the Catholic Encyclopedia?! |
I notice that Jason Gastrich's website is now up to 100,000 pages,
apparently up from 90,000 because of the inclusion of the compete text
of the Catholic Encyclopedia.
It was nice of Mr Knight of New Advent, who owns the copyright to the
online version, to grant Jason permission to include it on the JCSM
website, not least taking into account Jason's view that Roman
Catholics aren't Christians and the sheer effort the transcription of
the original text, over a period of years, took. To hand that over
presumably gratis is simply amazing, and indeed suggests to this
atheist that miracles may well be possible....!
It just goes to show that interfaith dialogue and cooperation is
possible!
Jason's Version:
http://jcsm.org/StudyCenter/Catholic_Encyclopedia/
New Advent Original
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: JCSM - 100,000 Pages! Now Includes The New Advent Transcrption of the Catholic Encyclopedia?! |
11 May 2005 08:29:05 AM |
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In our last episode <gpj38114t25hac6a1e6aaibcghvij59o3q@4ax.com>, Therion
Ware pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
I notice that Jason Gastrich's website is now up to 100,000 pages,
apparently up from 90,000 because of the inclusion of the compete text of
the Catholic Encyclopedia.
Whoa. What'd he do? Buy the CD then just upload their entire body of work?
That could go over like a lead balloon...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: JCSM - 100,000 Pages! Now Includes The New Advent Transcrption of the Catholic Encyclopedia?! |
11 May 2005 06:04:54 AM |
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Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism
I notice that Jason Gastrich's website is now up to 100,000 pages,
apparently up from 90,000 because of the inclusion of the compete text
of the Catholic Encyclopedia.
It was nice of Mr Knight of New Advent, who owns the copyright to the
online version, to grant Jason permission to include it on the JCSM
website, not least taking into account Jason's view that Roman
Catholics aren't Christians and the sheer effort the transcription of
the original text, over a period of years, took. To hand that over
presumably gratis is simply amazing, and indeed suggests to this
atheist that miracles may well be possible....!
It just goes to show that interfaith dialogue and cooperation is
possible!
Jason's Version:
http://jcsm.org/StudyCenter/Catholic_Encyclopedia/
New Advent Original
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/
Wow, it looks like he's stuck his banner ads at the top and bottom of
every one of those 90,000 pages. :)
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: JCSM - 100,000 Pages! Now Includes The New Advent Transcrption of the Catholic Encyclopedia?! |
11 May 2005 06:11:35 AM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:5fp3819kaeld7gp1l0iguhb05rsadrsbu1@4ax.com...
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in alt.atheism
I notice that Jason Gastrich's website is now up to 100,000 pages,
apparently up from 90,000 because of the inclusion of the compete text
of the Catholic Encyclopedia.
It was nice of Mr Knight of New Advent, who owns the copyright to the
online version, to grant Jason permission to include it on the JCSM
website, not least taking into account Jason's view that Roman
Catholics aren't Christians and the sheer effort the transcription of
the original text, over a period of years, took. To hand that over
presumably gratis is simply amazing, and indeed suggests to this
atheist that miracles may well be possible....!
It just goes to show that interfaith dialogue and cooperation is
possible!
Jason's Version:
http://jcsm.org/StudyCenter/Catholic_Encyclopedia/
New Advent Original
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/
Wow, it looks like he's stuck his banner ads at the top and bottom of
every one of those 90,000 pages. :)
Oh well, everyone needs a hobby.
Not like he has a family to pay attention to or anything like that <cough>
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Robyn
Resident Witchpoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Carson West" |
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| Title: Re: JCSM - 100,000 Pages! Now Includes The New Advent Transcrption of the Catholic Encyclopedia?! |
13 May 2005 12:01:46 AM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
[Snip]
It just goes to show that interfaith dialogue and
cooperation is possible!
Jason's Version:
http://jcsm.org/StudyCenter/Catholic_Encyclopedia/
New Advent Original
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/
Wow, it looks like he's stuck his banner ads at the
top and bottom of every one of those 90,000 pages.
:)
Of course. That and "hit count" are all that really matters to Jason.
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| User: "Harvest Dancer" |
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| Title: Re: JCSM - 100,000 Pages! Now Includes The New Advent Transcrption of the Catholic Encyclopedia?! |
13 May 2005 09:49:07 AM |
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Carson West wrote:
Elroy Willis wrote:
[Snip]
It just goes to show that interfaith dialogue and
cooperation is possible!
Jason's Version:
http://jcsm.org/StudyCenter/Catholic_Encyclopedia/
New Advent Original
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/
Wow, it looks like he's stuck his banner ads at the
top and bottom of every one of those 90,000 pages.
:)
Of course. That and "hit count" are all that really matters to
Jason.
I have contacted New Advent. They were unaware of Gastrich's
plagarism. They were also unaware of Gastrich's feelings towards
Catholics. They wanted to know how long he had been plagarizing their
encyclopedia. I told them that one month ago it was not there.
Jason Harvestdancer
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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| Title: Re: JCSM - 100,000 Pages! Now Includes The New Advent Transcrption of the Catholic Encyclopedia?! |
11 May 2005 03:04:27 PM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
I notice that Jason Gastrich's website is now up to 100,000 pages,
apparently up from 90,000 because of the inclusion of the compete text
of the Catholic Encyclopedia.
It was nice of Mr Knight of New Advent, who owns the copyright to the
online version, to grant Jason permission to include it on the JCSM
website, not least taking into account Jason's view that Roman
Catholics aren't Christians and the sheer effort the transcription of
the original text, over a period of years, took. To hand that over
presumably gratis is simply amazing, and indeed suggests to this
atheist that miracles may well be possible....!
It just goes to show that interfaith dialogue and cooperation is
possible!
Jason's Version:
http://jcsm.org/StudyCenter/Catholic_Encyclopedia/
New Advent Original
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/
How does copyright work here? The New Advent version is based on a book
printed in 1913 whose copyright has expired. Maybe Jason thinks that
because the paper version is public domain, the online version is too. I'm
pretty sure it doesn't work like that.
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Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "William McHale" |
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| Title: Re: JCSM - 100,000 Pages! Now Includes The New Advent Transcrption of the Catholic Encyclopedia?! |
12 May 2005 08:40:24 AM |
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In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Kevin Anthoney <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote:
Therion Ware wrote:
I notice that Jason Gastrich's website is now up to 100,000 pages,
apparently up from 90,000 because of the inclusion of the compete text
of the Catholic Encyclopedia.
It was nice of Mr Knight of New Advent, who owns the copyright to the
online version, to grant Jason permission to include it on the JCSM
website, not least taking into account Jason's view that Roman
Catholics aren't Christians and the sheer effort the transcription of
the original text, over a period of years, took. To hand that over
presumably gratis is simply amazing, and indeed suggests to this
atheist that miracles may well be possible....!
It just goes to show that interfaith dialogue and cooperation is
possible!
Jason's Version:
http://jcsm.org/StudyCenter/Catholic_Encyclopedia/
New Advent Original
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/
How does copyright work here? The New Advent version is based on a book
printed in 1913 whose copyright has expired. Maybe Jason thinks that
because the paper version is public domain, the online version is too. I'm
pretty sure it doesn't work like that.
I don't think it has ever been tested in court. That being said, only the
original material specific to the newadvent website would be under copyright.
All the text from the 1913 Encyclopedia is in the Public Domain and being the
person who transcribed it to the Web would not give one any sort of exclusive
right to the text. It would be perfectly acceptable (from a legal standpoint)
to simply write a script that would walk the New Advent Website and gather
all the text from enclopedia and then build my own web page around it.
Now the presentation, the indexing and other features specific to the website
would be under copyright and action could potentially be taken on that.
Though I imagine even that would be hard to do (else the sites that archive
the web could also be shut down).
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Bill
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: JCSM - 100,000 Pages! Now Includes The New Advent Transcrption of the Catholic Encyclopedia?! |
12 May 2005 02:24:20 AM |
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Kevin Anthoney wrote:
Therion Ware wrote:
I notice that Jason Gastrich's website is now up to 100,000 pages,
apparently up from 90,000 because of the inclusion of the compete text
of the Catholic Encyclopedia.
It was nice of Mr Knight of New Advent, who owns the copyright to the
online version, to grant Jason permission to include it on the JCSM
website, not least taking into account Jason's view that Roman
Catholics aren't Christians and the sheer effort the transcription of
the original text, over a period of years, took. To hand that over
presumably gratis is simply amazing, and indeed suggests to this
atheist that miracles may well be possible....!
It just goes to show that interfaith dialogue and cooperation is
possible!
Jason's Version:
http://jcsm.org/StudyCenter/Catholic_Encyclopedia/
New Advent Original
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/
How does copyright work here? The New Advent version is based on a book
printed in 1913 whose copyright has expired. Maybe Jason thinks that
because the paper version is public domain, the online version is too.
I'm pretty sure it doesn't work like that.
You cannot copyright the 1913 work.
But you can copyright your own particular version of it,
in this case Mr. Knight may very well copyright his HTML version.
It is copyright, though not the 1913 work itself.
If Jason took it and stripped the 1913 version out, reformatted and removed
the HTML tags Mr. Knight had inserted, he could do that, unless, Mr. Knight
had translated that work or had enlarged it considerably with commentary,
editorial changes additions, foot notes et al. He'd have to remove those
also.
--
When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Grinder" |
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| Title: Re: JCSM - 100,000 Pages! Now Includes The New Advent Transcrptionof the Catholic Encyclopedia?! |
11 May 2005 12:43:38 PM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
I notice that Jason Gastrich's website is now up to 100,000 pages,
apparently up from 90,000 because of the inclusion of the compete text
of the Catholic Encyclopedia.
It was nice of Mr Knight of New Advent, who owns the copyright to the
online version, to grant Jason permission to include it on the JCSM
website, not least taking into account Jason's view that Roman
Catholics aren't Christians ...
[snip]
That's not the only philosophical difference.
| Here are the top 25 Catholic websites in the world,
| ranked in order of popularity according to Alexa's
| TrafficRank software. This is a list of the busiest
| Catholic websites, which are not necessarily the
| best Catholic websites.
http://www.newadvent.org/
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: JCSM - 100,000 Pages! Now Includes The New Advent Transcrption of the Catholic Encyclopedia?! |
11 May 2005 12:59:55 PM |
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On Wed, 11 May 2005 17:43:38 GMT in alt.atheism, Grinder (Grinder
<grinder@no.spam.maam.net>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
Therion Ware wrote:
I notice that Jason Gastrich's website is now up to 100,000 pages,
apparently up from 90,000 because of the inclusion of the compete text
of the Catholic Encyclopedia.
It was nice of Mr Knight of New Advent, who owns the copyright to the
online version, to grant Jason permission to include it on the JCSM
website, not least taking into account Jason's view that Roman
Catholics aren't Christians ...
[snip]
That's not the only philosophical difference.
Mind you he hasn't taken it all. On the preface page
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/ there are three informational links
The Making of the Catholic Encyclopedia (1917)
Byte by Byte, Catholic Encyclopedia Launched into Cyberspace (1997)
To the Knights of Columbus and Their Friends
Oddly enough, this one:
"Byte by Byte, Catholic Encyclopedia Launched into Cyberspace (1997) "
isn't working on Jason's version.
| Here are the top 25 Catholic websites in the world,
| ranked in order of popularity according to Alexa's
| TrafficRank software. This is a list of the busiest
| Catholic websites, which are not necessarily the
| best Catholic websites.
http://www.newadvent.org/
True. I find it a very useful resource.
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