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"Carol Lee Smith" |
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15 Oct 2003 09:23:30 PM |
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Jefferson quotation |
"We confide in our strength, without boasting of it; we respect that of
others, without fearing it." --Thomas Jefferson
Does anyone know the context of this quotation and perhaps a complete
citation.
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| User: "Dogon Sereht" |
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| Title: Re: Jefferson quotation |
16 Oct 2003 12:17:01 AM |
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"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1031015212224.5958H-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
"We confide in our strength, without boasting of it; we respect that of
others, without fearing it." --Thomas Jefferson
Does anyone know the context of this quotation and perhaps a complete
citation.
Below is the link to the Library of Congress, Thomas Jefferson Papers.
Theses are photo copies and hard to read but if you look near the top of
most pages you will see the transcription link.
Check out the Jefferson quotes from Christian websites and see how they are
misused.
Copy the quote and enter it in keyword search, then read what he really
said.
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/mtjhtml/mtjhome.html
Search by key word
Thomas Jefferson to William Carmichael and William Short, June 30, 1793
The quote you seek is near the bottom of the page
Dogon
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| User: "Dogon Sereht" |
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| Title: Re: Jefferson quotation |
16 Oct 2003 11:38:25 AM |
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"Dogon Sereht" <dogon52@notmail.com> wrote in message
news:vosahl3ros4hfe@corp.supernews.com...
"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1031015212224.5958H-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
"We confide in our strength, without boasting of it; we respect that of
others, without fearing it." --Thomas Jefferson
Does anyone know the context of this quotation and perhaps a complete
citation.
Below is the link to the Library of Congress, Thomas Jefferson Papers.
Theses are photo copies and hard to read but if you look near the top of
most pages you will see the transcription link.
Check out the Jefferson quotes from Christian websites and see how they
are
misused.
Copy the quote and enter it in keyword search, then read what he really
said.
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/mtjhtml/mtjhome.html
Search by key word
Thomas Jefferson to William Carmichael and William Short, June 30, 1793
The quote you seek is near the bottom of the page
Dogon
I case you have trouble finding the letter to Carmichael and Short, here are
a couple of paragraphs, with the quote. Hope this helps.
" And lastly, these gentlemen say that on a view of these proceedings of the
United States with respect to Spain and the Indians, their allies, they
foresee that our peace with Spain is very problematical in future. The
principal object of the letter being our supposed excitements of the
Chickasaws against the Creeks, and their protection of the latter, are we to
understand from this, that if we arm to repulse the attacks of the Creeks on
ourselves, it will disturb our peace with Spain? That if we will not fold
our arms and let them butcher us without resistance, Spain will consider it
as a cause of war? This is, indeed, so serious an intimation, that the
President has thought it could no longer be treated with subordinate
characters, but that his sentiments should be conveyed to the government of
Spain itself, through you.
We love and we value peace; we know its blessings from experience. We abhor
the follies of war, and are not untried in its distresses and calamities.
Unmeddling with the affairs of other nations, we had hoped that our distance
and our dispositions would have left us free, in the example and indulgence
of peace with all the world. We had, with sincere and particular
dispositions, courted and cultivated the friendship of Spain. We have made
to it great sacrifices of time and interest, and were disposed to believe
she would see her interests also in a perfect coalition and good
understanding with us. Cherishing still the same sentiments, we have chosen,
in the present instance, to ascribe the intimations in this letter to the
particular character of the writers, displayed in the peculiarity of the
style of their communications, and therefore, we have removed the cause from
them to their sovereign, in whose justice and love of peace we have
confidence. If we are disappointed in this appeal, if we are to be forced
into a contrary order of things, our mind is made up. We shall meet it with
firmness. The necessity of our position will supersede all appeal to
calculation now, as it has done heretofore. We confide in our own strength,
without boasting of it; we respect that of others, without fearing it. If we
cannot otherwise prevail on the Creeks to discontinue their depredations, we
will attack them in force. If Spain chooses to consider our defence against
savage butchery as a cause of war to her, we must meet her also in war, with
regret, but without fear; and we shall be happier, to the last moment, to
repair with her to the tribunal of peace and reason."
Dogon Sereht
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| User: "Carol Lee Smith" |
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| Title: Re: Jefferson quotation |
16 Oct 2003 04:26:05 PM |
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thanks, Dogon, you are a hero.
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Dogon Sereht wrote:
"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
"We confide in our strength, without boasting of it; we respect that of
others, without fearing it." --Thomas Jefferson
Does anyone know the context of this quotation and perhaps a complete
citation.
Below is the link to the Library of Congress, Thomas Jefferson Papers.
Theses are photo copies and hard to read but if you look near the top of
most pages you will see the transcription link.
Check out the Jefferson quotes from Christian websites and see how they are
misused.
Copy the quote and enter it in keyword search, then read what he really
said.
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/mtjhtml/mtjhome.html
Search by key word
Thomas Jefferson to William Carmichael and William Short, June 30, 1793
The quote you seek is near the bottom of the page
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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| Title: Re: Jefferson quotation |
15 Oct 2003 10:07:05 PM |
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"We confide in our strength, without boasting of it; we respect that of
others, without fearing it." --Thomas Jefferson
Does anyone know the context of this quotation and perhaps a complete
citation.
It is from a 1793 letter to Carmichael and Short. I do not know the context nor
who Carmichael and Short were. I found the reference from the University of
Virginia's Electronic Text Center's website which contains the Jefferson
library.
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/foleyx-browse?id=818
The Jefferson digital archive can be found here:
http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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