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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Grinder"
Date: 02 Feb 2005 01:12:00 AM
Object: "Jefferson's Bible"
I'm breaking this off from the original thread, as it is a
significantly different topic.
Jason Gastrich wrote:

Jefferson wrote his own Bible?! Oh man! Now I know
you're way off . . . off your rocker (with all due
respect).
That Bible wasn't for him. It was an evangelistic
tool for the Indians!

Grinder wrote:

D. James Kennedy tells this lie as well, perhaps that's
where you got it. When I asked him about it, his
handlers could not come up with any reference to that
effect. Can you do any better?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28006
I obtained a copy of the "Jefferson Bible," which is in
an extraction of the gospens in the New Testament only,
from interlibrary loan. The foreword says:
Thomas Jefferson was from early life a close student
of the Bible. It was of the Bible that he wrote:
"There never was a more pure or sublime system of
morality than is to be found in the four Evangelists."
His further interest in it is clearly shown by the
original copy of the so-called "Jefferson Bible," now
preserved with so much care in the National Museum in
Washington, it having been purchased by the U. S.
Government of the author of the Declaration of
Independence and is now a priceless relic of that
great man. It is a little leather-bound volume
resembling in appearance an old account book, and on
its may be read the life of Christ, prepared by
arranging chronologically all of the verses from the
four gospels that pertain to the career of our Lord,
omitting, however, "every verse or paragraph that to
his mind was ambiguous or controversial, and every
statement of fact that would not have been admitted as
evidence in a court of justice."

Jefferson arranged this Life of Christ by cutting
verses or parts of verses from the four Gospels and by
pasting the clippings in their proper order, in a
blank book, made a connected narrative. His original
idea was to have the life and teachings of the Savior,
told in similar excerpts, prepared for the Indians,
thinking that simple would be best adapted for them.
But abandoning the idea, the formal execution of his
plan took this shape, intended for his individual use.

He was an indefatigably zealous student of the Bible,
and was infinitely more conversant with it than the
bulk of professed Christians. The framing of the
Declaration of Independence reveals a strongly
religious mind.

His religious belief has been questioned and yet he
was a member of the Episcopal Church in
Charlottesville, Va., contributing regularily to its
support and serving as a member of its vestry. He
wrote of himself: "I am a Christian in the only sense
Christ wished anyone to be--sincerely attached to His
doctrines in preference to all others."

Jason Gastrich wrote:

These words were quite telling. Weren't they?

Yes. They tell us that the work in question was not designed to be a
tool to evangelize to Native Americans. It also tells us that
Jefferson considered himself a Christian. I doubt, though, that you
would agree as he did not affirm the divinity of Jesus.

I'd like to see some proof, though, that Jefferson decided
to abandon the ministry to the Indians with this Bible of
his. It says that this was his intent. It also says that
he considered himself a Christian. As I said, very telling.

It says that was his *original* intent. It also says that he abandoned
the idea. The fact that the book has Greek and Latin translations
tends to support that notion. Why would you believe part of this
foreword, but not the rest?
The 1904 printing of "The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth
Extracted Textually from the Gospels in Greek, Latin, French and
English" also relates those facts:

'The Morals and Life of Jesus of Nazareth,' extracted
textually from the Gospels in Greek, Latin, French and
English. Title and very full index in his own hand.
Texts were cut by him out of printed copies of Greek,
Latin, French and English Testaments and pasted in this
book of blank pages, which was handsomely bound in red
morocco, ornamented in gilt, and titled on the back in
gilt letters, 'The Morals of Jesus.' His original idea
was to have the life and teachings of the Saviour, told
in similar excerpts, prepared for the Indians, thinking
this simple form would suit them best. But, abandoning
this, the formal execution of his plan took the shape
above described, which was for his individual use. He
used the four languages that he might have the texts in
them side by side, convenient for comparison. In the
book he pasted a map of the ancient world and the Holy
Land, with which he studied the New Testament."

D. James Kennedy casually refers to this work as "abridgement of the
New Testament for the use of the Indians," but no reference nor
explanation could be found for why he might have included that phrase
in quotes. My guess is that it is his colloquialism for the work, much
in the way others refer to it as "Jefferson's Bible."
Can you find any historical source that speaks to the assertion that
Jefferson's book was written to evangelize to Native Americans? I have
sincerely looked. The only sources I can find are comparable to the
excerpt above. Originally Jefferson thought he might extract the
teachings from the gospels, but it turned into a pet project with no
such intent.
Grinder wrote:

It's clear from this introduction that there was some
thought, prior to the execution of the project, that
a portion of the gospels might be prepared for use in
teaching Native Americans. It is equally clear that
was ultimately not what became of his efforts.
Outside of the complete lack of evidence, your claim
is further undermined by the fact that the book was
prepared in four languages: Greek, Latin, French and
English. Why would he need Greek and Latin translations
for an "evangelical tool for the Indians?"

[snipped physical description of the book]

http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=6040
His efforts basically amount to scrubbing all divinity
from the gospels. There are no traces of miracles, virgin
birth, angels or prophecy -- it's just the teachings of
*a man* named Jesus. A PBS special reported Jefferson to
have said of Jesus:
"a man, of illegitimate birth, of a benevolent heart,
(and an) enthusiastic mind, who set out without pretensions
of divinity, ended in believing them, and was punished
capitally for sedition by being gibbeted according to the
Roman law."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/jesus/jefferson.html

Here are some online copies for your perusal:
http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible/
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/JefJesu.html

.

User: ""

Title: Re: "Jefferson's Bible" 02 Feb 2005 02:31:29 AM
I own a copy of _Jefferson's "Bible" The Life and Morals of Jesus of
Nazareth_. Here's a bit from he introduction, by Judd W. Patton (1996):
[quote]
The first version in 1804 had a different primary purpose from the
later version. The purpose of the earlier version is apparent in its
complete title: _The Philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth extracted from the
account of his life and doctrines given by Matthew, Markm Luke, and
John: Being an Abridgement of the New Testament for the use of the
Indians unimbarrassed with matters of fact or faith beyond their
comprehensions_. The fact that this first version was originally "for
the use of the Indians" is almost always overlooked by most
commentators today. On April 26, 1802, Jefferson signed into law the
Act of Congress that funded the Society of the United Brethren "for
Propagating the Gospel among the Heathen" in the Northwest territory.
This Act [funded churches, schools, missionaries for the Indians]. In
October 1803, Jefferson submitted to the U.S. Senate his plan to
purchase the Louisiana Territory...[and] also submitted the first of
three treaties with Indian tribes living in the territory that again
included federal money for paying the salaries of missionaries and
clergymen, but also for constructing churches for the Indians..
In this light, Jefferson's motivation for making his first abridgement
of the Gospels comes more clearly into focus. In the few monthes
following these treaties, he took the time to cut out from two New
Testaments the teachings and sayings of Jesus Christ...[I'm skipping a
bit about how it's meant to be portable, cheap, easily understood and
readily translated]...In 1803, prior to writing his abridgement,
Jefferson wrote a _Syllabus of the Merits of the Doctrines of Jesus_
that he sent to Joseph Priestly. Jefferson urged Priestly to make "a
digestt of his (Christ's) moral doctrines, extracted in his own words
from the Evangelists, and leaving out everything relative to his
personal history and character." This was an explanation for what would
be included in Jefferson first abridgement: the teachings of Jesus
only.
Interestingly, the _Philosophy of Jesus_ has never been found! What has
survived is a copy of the front page, a table of Sciptures and two New
Testaments from which he clipped out the verses for his work. It was
thus possible for historian Dickinson W. Adams to reconstruct
Jefferson's _Philosohpy of Jesus...for use of the Indians. He did so in
1983 and it shows that, unlike Jefferson's later version, it still
retained a few miracles such as the healing on the Sabbath in Luke
14:1-6 and the commsion of Jesus in Matthew 10 to go and heal the sick
and raise the dead.
[/quote]
And so much more. Jefferson eventual made an expanded version of the
the book (the original 'Indian' version was 46 pages; my copy of the
'modern' version is 81 p.) & had it printed for his own use. Congress
authorized the printing of 9,000 copies in 1904, and ever since it has
traditionally been given to members of Congress after the swearing in.
.
User: "Michelle Malkin"

Title: Re: "Jefferson's Bible" 03 Feb 2005 06:26:21 AM
<brent23@aintitcoolmail.com> wrote in message
news:1107311488.950181.162060@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

I own a copy of _Jefferson's "Bible" The Life and Morals of Jesus of
Nazareth_. Here's a bit from he introduction, by Judd W. Patton (1996):
[quote]
The first version in 1804 had a different primary purpose from the
later version. The purpose of the earlier version is apparent in its
complete title: _The Philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth extracted from the
account of his life and doctrines given by Matthew, Markm Luke, and
John: Being an Abridgement of the New Testament for the use of the
Indians unimbarrassed with matters of fact or faith beyond their
comprehensions_. The fact that this first version was originally "for
the use of the Indians" is almost always overlooked by most
commentators today. On April 26, 1802, Jefferson signed into law the
Act of Congress that funded the Society of the United Brethren "for
Propagating the Gospel among the Heathen" in the Northwest territory.
This Act [funded churches, schools, missionaries for the Indians]. In
October 1803, Jefferson submitted to the U.S. Senate his plan to
purchase the Louisiana Territory...[and] also submitted the first of
three treaties with Indian tribes living in the territory that again
included federal money for paying the salaries of missionaries and
clergymen, but also for constructing churches for the Indians..
In this light, Jefferson's motivation for making his first abridgement
of the Gospels comes more clearly into focus. In the few monthes
following these treaties, he took the time to cut out from two New
Testaments the teachings and sayings of Jesus Christ...[I'm skipping a
bit about how it's meant to be portable, cheap, easily understood and
readily translated]...In 1803, prior to writing his abridgement,
Jefferson wrote a _Syllabus of the Merits of the Doctrines of Jesus_
that he sent to Joseph Priestly. Jefferson urged Priestly to make "a
digestt of his (Christ's) moral doctrines, extracted in his own words
from the Evangelists, and leaving out everything relative to his
personal history and character." This was an explanation for what would
be included in Jefferson first abridgement: the teachings of Jesus
only.
Interestingly, the _Philosophy of Jesus_ has never been found! What has
survived is a copy of the front page, a table of Sciptures and two New
Testaments from which he clipped out the verses for his work. It was
thus possible for historian Dickinson W. Adams to reconstruct
Jefferson's _Philosohpy of Jesus...for use of the Indians. He did so in
1983 and it shows that, unlike Jefferson's later version, it still
retained a few miracles such as the healing on the Sabbath in Luke
14:1-6 and the commsion of Jesus in Matthew 10 to go and heal the sick
and raise the dead.
[/quote]

Who found this copy of the first page? And, has it been examined by
scientists to see if it is what it says it is and not just a forgery trying
to make it look like Jefferson believed in miracles - which he didn't?
How odd that such a thing that sounds totally unlike Jefferson should
mysteriously show up - just that one page. And, who is there to prove
that the snipped bits from the two bibles weren't snipped by someone
else, rather than Jefferson. It all sounds totally iffy to me. In fact, it
sounds
likethe kind of thing that fundamentalist Christians would do to try to
convince their sheep-like followers that Jefferson was something that he
definitely wasn't - a Christian. He was a deist.


And so much more. Jefferson eventual made an expanded version of the
the book (the original 'Indian' version was 46 pages; my copy of the
'modern' version is 81 p.) & had it printed for his own use. Congress
authorized the printing of 9,000 copies in 1904, and ever since it has
traditionally been given to members of Congress after the swearing in.

.

User: "Richard Clayton"

Title: Re: "Jefferson's Bible" 02 Feb 2005 04:54:02 AM
wrote:

I own a copy of _Jefferson's "Bible" The Life and Morals of Jesus of
Nazareth_. Here's a bit from he introduction, by Judd W. Patton (1996):

[quote snipped

And so much more. Jefferson eventual made an expanded version of the
the book (the original 'Indian' version was 46 pages; my copy of the
'modern' version is 81 p.) & had it printed for his own use. Congress
authorized the printing of 9,000 copies in 1904, and ever since it has
traditionally been given to members of Congress after the swearing in.

I also own a copy; it's excellent reading, and I think every student of
United States history should read it. But it's pretty clear that
Jefferson was NOT a Christian in the Jason Gastrich sense-- he's excised
all miracles, focusing on the teachings of Christ rather than his divine
status. The Jefferson Bible ends with Jesus entombed and un-arisen.
--
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Richard Clayton
"During wars laws are silent." -- Cicero
.
User: "Kate "

Title: Re: "Jefferson's Bible" 02 Feb 2005 03:00:05 PM
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:54:02 -0500, Richard Clayton
<reZIGclayZIGton@verizon.net> wrote:

brent23@aintitcoolmail.com wrote:

I own a copy of _Jefferson's "Bible" The Life and Morals of Jesus of
Nazareth_. Here's a bit from he introduction, by Judd W. Patton (1996):


[quote snipped

And so much more. Jefferson eventual made an expanded version of the
the book (the original 'Indian' version was 46 pages; my copy of the
'modern' version is 81 p.) & had it printed for his own use. Congress
authorized the printing of 9,000 copies in 1904, and ever since it has
traditionally been given to members of Congress after the swearing in.


I also own a copy; it's excellent reading, and I think every student of
United States history should read it. But it's pretty clear that
Jefferson was NOT a Christian in the Jason Gastrich sense-- he's excised
all miracles, focusing on the teachings of Christ rather than his divine
status. The Jefferson Bible ends with Jesus entombed and un-arisen.

From the biography on Jefferson I read, he rewrote the bible to take
out Christianity since he felt that the instructional moral stories
were good, but that the magic parts were silly. Later on there were,
I believe, many quotes from his writings putting down Christianity.
.


User: "Grinder"

Title: Re: "Jefferson's Bible" 02 Feb 2005 06:17:30 AM
That's good information, thanks for taking the time to type up the
introduction. Although D. James Kennedy's discussion of this work
still amounts to an obfuscation, your remarks mitigates his statements
greatly. It's unfortunate that he (or his handlers) could not offer
this reference, and that I did not have the acuity to find it.
.



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