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"Witchtower Gazette" |
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20 Jan 2005 05:35:10 PM |
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Jehovahs Witness Sees Ghost. |
Waterloo-Cedar Falls Courier
January 11, 2005
Ghost story: Waverly couple believes image captures great beyond
By DENNIS MAGEE, Courier Regional Editor
WAVERLY --- Matt Davenport doesn't want to believe.
His upbringing, in fact, precludes accepting what his eyes see.
Jehovah's Witness reject the notion spirits roam the earth. A
person
dies, they go to heaven. That's what Matt was taught.
"Ghosts are just out of the question," he says.
Matt isn't so certain, though, looking at the moment great-
grandmother
Esther Klein captured with her camera.
The darkened background hints of an ordinary room. The void
suggests
more. Blue wisps shroud a swirling mass of white. Orbs dot the
surrounding space. An empty sleeve extends toward a face,
perhaps a
woman's.
"I still, in my heart, I want to believe there's some kind of
mechanical error that made this photo," Matt says.
Great-grandma Klein could barely work a camera, let alone come
up with
something like this, Matt's wife, Melissa, adds.
The contents may be open to debate. But the extraordinary nature
of the
picture's path to an otherwise ordinary Waverly home can't be
denied.
Great-grandma Klein was a psychic and palm reader. She lived in
California and one of her haunts was the Winchester Mystery
House in
San Jose.
The estate belonged to Sarah Winchester, heiress to a $20 million
fortune created by the Winchester Repeating Arms Co. Her tale
began
when a medium suggested vengeful spirits could be held at bay if
Winchester never finished construction on her mansion.
Work began in 1884. At the time of her death 38 years later, the
structure included 160 rooms, 10,000 windows and 467 doorways ---
but
about 950 doors.
To keep carpenters busy around the clock --- and to confuse any
sinister presence --- stairs were installed that lead nowhere
and doors
opened onto blank walls. One floor contains a window, and one
staircase
has 42 steps but only rises 9 feet.
On a visit to the Mystery House, Klein brought a cheap camera.
Matt and
Melissa know she took at least one photo. Markings stamped on
the back
show the Olympic rings and word KODAK, suggesting the picture was
processed sometime around 1984, the year Los Angeles hosted the
international games.
Klein snapped the image, processed the film and labeled the print
"Ghost --- Winchester House, San Jose, CA." In her worldview,
that was
far from remarkable.
"It was no big deal. It was just in with the rest of her
photos," Matt
says.
Then, in December, she died. Some of her belongings passed to her
daughter. That would be Matt's grandmother, Lorrie Janca, the
witch.
"We're talking pentagram-on-the-floor black magic," Melissa says.
Matt and Melissa asked for the ghost picture and a few other
things.
And then life got interesting for the Waverly couple.
"When I saw the photo the hairs on the back of my neck stood up,"
Melissa says.
Mike Walden hasn't seen great-grandma Klein's photo. But he has
seen a
good many like it. Three or four show up every year.
Walden is one of the owners of Walden Photo, which has stores in
Waterloo, Cedar Falls and Ames. His grandparents, Harold and
Frances
Walden, started the company in 1929. His father, Bob, and uncle,
*****,
then ran the business.
So Mike Walden has been around film and photographs his entire
life.
All that experience adds up to a healthy amount of skepticism
about
Sarah Winchester's apparition being caught on film.
Dozens of suspects are capable of generating otherworldly images.
"It could be as simple as dust on a lens," Walden says.
Damaged film will also produce unnatural results. Long
exposures, smoke
in the air and cheap cameras with plastic lenses can add unique
qualities, too.
"The vast majority of times, it's a fluke that can be explained,"
Walden says.
The couple have two copies of great-grandma Klein's image. One is
darker, revealing more information along the white bottom edge.
On that
print, the space could be interpreted as a window frame. Trying
to take
a photo through glass while using a flash can bend imagination
as well.
Matt and Melissa aren't experts, and they aren't hiding their
interest
in making a few dollars off the images on eBay. The auction
continues
until Wednesday. Whatever money the Davenports make will first
go to
reimburse grandma Janca for funeral costs.
Problems with the plan started, they say, when Matt tried to
scan the
better print into his computer, which doesn't seem to like the
image.
"Well, like right now, my printer doesn't work," Matt says.
"Error
message after error message shows up."
The machine is only 6 months old and Matt recently installed a
new ink
cartridge. Then, a power supply adapter burned up and the monitor
developed a habit of blacking out.
Minor concerns as it turns out. Melissa says she recently had the
sensation of someone sitting on the couple's bed. She assumed it
was
Matt, but he was still at work.
"It was weird. It still gives me the creeps," Melissa says.
The final straw followed an incident involving the couple's
infant son,
Ethan.
"All of a sudden he started panting like he was having a panic
attack,"
Melissa says. "That shouldn't happen in a 7-month-old."
Melissa says she took Ethan to an emergency room where physicians
determined nothing was wrong. At that point, she demanded her
husband
remove the photo.
"I told him, 'It does not come back in this house.'"
Matt put the picture in his van's glove compartment --- which he
says
started smelling like sulfur. The computer room smells, too.
The couple understands those who may doubt the image and their
experiences. They also know what they believe --- even though
they'd
rather not.
"Too many strange things have happened," Melissa says.
"To me it looks like a ghost," Matt says.
.......
Click to view close-ups of the photos:
http://www.wcfcourier.com/ghost/
-=-
This message was sent via two or more anonymous remailing services.
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| User: "le ténébreux" |
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| Title: Re: Jehovahs Witness Sees Ghost. |
20 Jan 2005 10:43:37 PM |
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(Witchtower Gazette) wrote:
WAVERLY --- Matt Davenport doesn't want to believe.
His upbringing, in fact, precludes accepting what his eyes see.
Jehovah's Witness reject the notion spirits roam the earth. A
person
dies, they go to heaven. That's what Matt was taught.
"Ghosts are just out of the question," he says.
Hmmm... something's not quite right about this. Not only do
Jehovah's Witnesses NOT believe they will go to heaven, they
DO believe in "ghost" phenomena (demonic spirits).
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| User: "sSs P@P" |
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| Title: Re: Jehovahs Witness Sees Ghost = Yes, Mr MMM |
21 Jan 2005 11:34:41 AM |
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"le ténébreux" <prince.d'aquitaine@tour.abolie> wrote in message
news:41f08d29@duster.adelaide.on.net...
Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header (Witchtower Gazette) wrote:
WAVERLY --- Matt Davenport doesn't want to believe.
His upbringing, in fact, precludes accepting what his eyes see.
Jehovah's Witness reject the notion spirits roam the earth. A
person
dies, they go to heaven. That's what Matt was taught.
"Ghosts are just out of the question," he says.
Hmmm... something's not quite right about this. Not only do
Jehovah's Witnesses NOT believe they will go to heaven, they
DO believe in "ghost" phenomena (demonic spirits).
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One of the guys posting most of these messages is not and never was a JW.
He is a sympathizer though. He was once in love with a JW women who wanted
no part of him. Probably because he was married, had a few kids, and she
didn't want to waste her time. He would go to KH meetings just to be near
this woman. He posted here for awhile but left when no one would reply to
his long boring repetitious pro-JW posts.
He also admitted to having a drinking problem.
--
Katzio...
Wise men stare at the unknown, and boldly asks, WHY?
Others... fall on their hands and knees, and start mumbling...
(God did it! God did it!)
~ Thus Spake God's Creator ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~><> ><>
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| User: "israel t" |
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| Title: Re: Jehovahs Witness Sees Ghost = Yes, Mr MMM |
21 Jan 2005 03:09:58 PM |
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"sSs" <P@P> writes:
He was once in love with a JW women who wanted
no part of him. Probably because he was married, had a few kids, and she
didn't want to waste her time. He also admitted to having a drinking problem.
Mr Right !
LOL
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| User: "le ténébreux" |
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| Title: Re: Jehovahs Witness Sees Ghost = Yes, Mr MMM |
21 Jan 2005 12:00:10 PM |
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"sSs" <P@P> wrote:
One of the guys posting most of these messages is not and never was a
JW. He is a sympathizer though. He was once in love with a JW women
who wanted no part of him. Probably because he was married, had a few
kids, and she didn't want to waste her time. He would go to KH
meetings just to be near this woman. He posted here for awhile but
left when no one would reply to his long boring repetitious pro-JW
posts.
He also admitted to having a drinking problem.
Mean Mister Mustard??? He's back?
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| User: "Wysong *~ P@P" |
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| Title: Re: Jehovahs Witness Sees Ghost = Yes, Mr MMM |
21 Jan 2005 12:57:20 PM |
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"le ténébreux" <prince.d'aquitaine@tour.abolie> wrote in message
news:41f147da@duster.adelaide.on.net...
"sSs" <P@P> wrote:
One of the guys posting most of these messages is not and never was a
JW. He is a sympathizer though. He was once in love with a JW women
who wanted no part of him. Probably because he was married, had a few
kids, and she didn't want to waste her time. He would go to KH
meetings just to be near this woman. He posted here for awhile but
left when no one would reply to his long boring repetitious pro-JW
posts.
He also admitted to having a drinking problem.
Mean Mister Mustard??? He's back?
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It looks that way - yes, or it's someone doing a good impersonation of him.
:-)
--
sSs........
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation Email list:
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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| Title: Re: Jehovahs Witness Sees Ghost = Yes, Mr MMM |
21 Jan 2005 03:06:27 PM |
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In article <IoCdnZGOsc8QzWzcRVn-2w@heartoftn.net>, "Wysong *~" <P@P>
wrote:
"le ténébreux" <prince.d'aquitaine@tour.abolie> wrote in message
news:41f147da@duster.adelaide.on.net...
"sSs" <P@P> wrote:
One of the guys posting most of these messages is not and never was a
JW. He is a sympathizer though. He was once in love with a JW women
who wanted no part of him. Probably because he was married, had a few
kids, and she didn't want to waste her time. He would go to KH
meetings just to be near this woman. He posted here for awhile but
left when no one would reply to his long boring repetitious pro-JW
posts.
He also admitted to having a drinking problem.
Mean Mister Mustard??? He's back?
================================
It looks that way - yes, or it's someone doing a good impersonation of him.
:-)
Anyone here ready to cut the Mustard?
--
Guns don't kill people; automobiles kill people.
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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| Title: Re: Jehovahs Witness Sees Ghost = Yes, Mr MMM |
21 Jan 2005 03:05:53 PM |
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In article <3tGdnfxBGoGwoGzcRVn-hA@heartoftn.net>, "sSs" <P@P> wrote:
"le ténébreux" <prince.d'aquitaine@tour.abolie> wrote in message
news:41f08d29@duster.adelaide.on.net...
Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header (Witchtower Gazette) wrote:
WAVERLY --- Matt Davenport doesn't want to believe.
His upbringing, in fact, precludes accepting what his eyes see.
Jehovah's Witness reject the notion spirits roam the earth. A
person
dies, they go to heaven. That's what Matt was taught.
"Ghosts are just out of the question," he says.
Hmmm... something's not quite right about this. Not only do
Jehovah's Witnesses NOT believe they will go to heaven, they
DO believe in "ghost" phenomena (demonic spirits).
====================================
One of the guys posting most of these messages is not and never was a JW.
He is a sympathizer though. He was once in love with a JW women who wanted
no part of him. Probably because he was married, had a few kids, and she
didn't want to waste her time. He would go to KH meetings just to be near
this woman. He posted here for awhile but left when no one would reply to
his long boring repetitious pro-JW posts.
He also admitted to having a drinking problem.
Ah, a 3 time loser.
--
Guns don't kill people; automobiles kill people.
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| User: "o.X.o P@P" |
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| Title: Re: Jehovahs Witness Sees Ghost = Yes, Mr MMM |
21 Jan 2005 03:09:33 PM |
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"Walter Bushell" <proto@panix.com> wrote in message
news:proto-6B0D84.16055321012005@reader2.panix.com...
In article <3tGdnfxBGoGwoGzcRVn-hA@heartoftn.net>, "sSs" <P@P> wrote:
He also admitted to having a drinking problem.
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Ah, a 3 time loser.
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You could say that. Some of the other posts are from Precision, who got
himself a remailer and is going hog wild with it. :-)
--
OooOoo...
--Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. "
- George Santayana, The Life of Reason, Volume 1, 1905.
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