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Jehovah's Witnesses Stand Firm Against Nazi Assault |
http://www.jw-media.org/
Jehovah's Witnesses Stand Firm Against Nazi Assault
As the Nazi killing machine engulfed Europe with terror, thousands of
Jehovah's Witnesses suffered brutal persecution. In this video, 10
historians from Europe and North America, and more than 20 Witness
survivors, join in relating a story of courage and triumph that must be
told.
Select speed: 28k/56k or ISDN
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21 Jan 2005 06:52:00 PM |
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wrote:
http://www.jw-media.org/
Jehovah's Witnesses Stand Firm Against Nazi Assault
As the Nazi killing machine engulfed Europe with terror, thousands of
Jehovah's Witnesses suffered brutal persecution. In this video, 10
historians from Europe and North America, and more than 20 Witness
survivors, join in relating a story of courage and triumph that must be
told.
Select speed: 28k/56k or ISDN
It might have been more helpful if they inflicted some violence
on the Nazis.
Colin Day
aa #1500
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| User: "cactus" |
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21 Jan 2005 08:23:02 PM |
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Colin Day wrote:
Jabriol@excite.com wrote:
http://www.jw-media.org/
Jehovah's Witnesses Stand Firm Against Nazi Assault
As the Nazi killing machine engulfed Europe with terror, thousands of
Jehovah's Witnesses suffered brutal persecution. In this video, 10
historians from Europe and North America, and more than 20 Witness
survivors, join in relating a story of courage and triumph that must be
told.
Select speed: 28k/56k or ISDN
It might have been more helpful if they inflicted some violence
on the Nazis.
Colin Day
aa #1500
I think that regardless of what one thinks of JWs, one has to admire
their courage.
As to "inflicting violence" remember that most of the people the Nazis
oppressed were civilized; violence was not a natural thing to them.
Besides, the opportunities for effective violence were very rare,
especially in Germany early in WWII.
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22 Jan 2005 01:04:02 AM |
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TV's cactus wrote:
Colin Day wrote:
Jabriol@excite.com wrote:
http://www.jw-media.org/
Jehovah's Witnesses Stand Firm Against Nazi Assault
As the Nazi killing machine engulfed Europe with terror, thousands of
Jehovah's Witnesses suffered brutal persecution. In this video, 10
historians from Europe and North America, and more than 20 Witness
survivors, join in relating a story of courage and triumph that must be
told.
Select speed: 28k/56k or ISDN
It might have been more helpful if they inflicted some violence
on the Nazis.
Colin Day
aa #1500
I think that regardless of what one thinks of JWs, one has to admire
their courage.
As to "inflicting violence" remember that most of the people the Nazis
oppressed were civilized; violence was not a natural thing to them.
Besides, the opportunities for effective violence were very rare,
especially in Germany early in WWII.
Germany was a civilized country in the 1940's, and they were certainly
capable of extreme violence.
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"The Constitution was written on reefer by dudes with wooden teeth" - OG Loc
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| User: "cactus" |
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22 Jan 2005 01:36:34 AM |
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towelie wrote:
TV's cactus wrote:
Colin Day wrote:
Jabriol@excite.com wrote:
http://www.jw-media.org/
Jehovah's Witnesses Stand Firm Against Nazi Assault
As the Nazi killing machine engulfed Europe with terror, thousands of
Jehovah's Witnesses suffered brutal persecution. In this video, 10
historians from Europe and North America, and more than 20 Witness
survivors, join in relating a story of courage and triumph that must be
told.
Select speed: 28k/56k or ISDN
It might have been more helpful if they inflicted some violence
on the Nazis.
Colin Day
aa #1500
I think that regardless of what one thinks of JWs, one has to admire
their courage.
As to "inflicting violence" remember that most of the people the Nazis
oppressed were civilized; violence was not a natural thing to them.
Besides, the opportunities for effective violence were very rare,
especially in Germany early in WWII.
Germany was a civilized country in the 1940's, and they were certainly
capable of extreme violence.
Civilized in the sense of being a first world country, but the Nazis'
murderous racism reduced their level of civilization far beneath 20th
century standards, certainly far beneath the levels of the people they
were so efficiently murdering.
Most of us are, when sufficiently desperate, capable of extreme
violence. We do manage to control the urges, which differentiates us
from psychopaths.
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| User: "Colin Day" |
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22 Jan 2005 06:54:44 PM |
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cactus wrote:
Colin Day wrote:
Jabriol@excite.com wrote:
http://www.jw-media.org/
Jehovah's Witnesses Stand Firm Against Nazi Assault
As the Nazi killing machine engulfed Europe with terror, thousands of
Jehovah's Witnesses suffered brutal persecution. In this video, 10
historians from Europe and North America, and more than 20 Witness
survivors, join in relating a story of courage and triumph that must be
told.
Select speed: 28k/56k or ISDN
It might have been more helpful if they inflicted some violence
on the Nazis.
Colin Day
aa #1500
I think that regardless of what one thinks of JWs, one has to admire
their courage.
I admire the courage of those who fought the Axis more.
As to "inflicting violence" remember that most of the people the Nazis
oppressed were civilized; violence was not a natural thing to them.
Besides, the opportunities for effective violence were very rare,
especially in Germany early in WWII.
And the US and Britain weren't civilized? They inflicted a lot
of violence on the Axis.
Colin Day
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| User: "cactus" |
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22 Jan 2005 08:54:16 PM |
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Colin Day wrote:
cactus wrote:
Colin Day wrote:
Jabriol@excite.com wrote:
http://www.jw-media.org/
Jehovah's Witnesses Stand Firm Against Nazi Assault
As the Nazi killing machine engulfed Europe with terror, thousands of
Jehovah's Witnesses suffered brutal persecution. In this video, 10
historians from Europe and North America, and more than 20 Witness
survivors, join in relating a story of courage and triumph that must be
told.
Select speed: 28k/56k or ISDN
It might have been more helpful if they inflicted some violence
on the Nazis.
Colin Day
aa #1500
I think that regardless of what one thinks of JWs, one has to admire
their courage.
I admire the courage of those who fought the Axis more.
As to "inflicting violence" remember that most of the people the Nazis
oppressed were civilized; violence was not a natural thing to them.
Besides, the opportunities for effective violence were very rare,
especially in Germany early in WWII.
And the US and Britain weren't civilized? They inflicted a lot
of violence on the Axis.
Colin Day
They were more less uncivilized than the Nazis, in that they did not
murder their own populations, and did not commit crimes against peace
during that time. Sometimes even civilized people must resort to
violence for self-defense.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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22 Jan 2005 11:05:40 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 02:54:16 GMT, cactus
<baldemar.malnariz@ubadlands.edu> said in alt.atheism:
They were more less uncivilized than the Nazis, in that they did not
murder their own populations, and did not commit crimes against peace
during that time. Sometimes even civilized people must resort to
violence for self-defense.
WWII was Germany's attempt to protect itself from the Treaty of
Versailles.
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"I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit
priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies
about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and
have always been an atheist."
- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945,
responding to a rumor that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein
to convert from atheism. Article by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic
magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1997
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| User: "cactus" |
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23 Jan 2005 12:46:46 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 02:54:16 GMT, cactus
<baldemar.malnariz@ubadlands.edu> said in alt.atheism:
They were more less uncivilized than the Nazis, in that they did not
murder their own populations, and did not commit crimes against peace
during that time. Sometimes even civilized people must resort to
violence for self-defense.
WWII was Germany's attempt to protect itself from the Treaty of
Versailles.
That is the argument of demagogues. Germany effectively gutted the
Versailles treaty years before WWII. First came the hyperinflation which
rendered the reparations both valueless and meaningless. Second, with
Hitler's rise to power the army and navy were built up in direct
defiance of the Versailles Treaty provisions. Third, the annexation of
the Sudetenland and Anschluss ended any hope that Germany would abide by
those terms.
Several of those moves IMO violated international law, but do not rate
as uncivilized. The uncivilized aspects were the inhumane treatment of
the infirm, the handicapped, the Jews, the Rom (Gypsies), homosexuals,
Jehovah's Witnesses, political dissidents, Russians, Balts and others.
Crimes against humanity are uncivilized. The vicious attacks against
Poland, France and the Low Countries were crimes against peace, also
uncivilized. I could continue, but I hope the idea comes into focus a
bit more.
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| User: "William Daffer" |
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23 Jan 2005 11:26:59 AM |
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cactus <baldemar.malnariz@ubadlands.edu> writes:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 02:54:16 GMT, cactus
<baldemar.malnariz@ubadlands.edu> said in alt.atheism:
They were more less uncivilized than the Nazis, in that they did
not murder their own populations, and did not commit crimes against
peace during that time. Sometimes even civilized people must
resort to violence for self-defense.
WWII was Germany's attempt to protect itself from the Treaty of
Versailles.
That is the argument of demagogues. Germany effectively gutted the
Versailles treaty years before WWII. First came the hyperinflation
which rendered the reparations both valueless and meaningless. Second,
with Hitler's rise to power the army and navy were built up in direct
defiance of the Versailles Treaty provisions. Third, the annexation
of the Sudetenland and Anschluss ended any hope that Germany would
abide by those terms.
You missed the reoccupation of the Rhineland (1936), the industrial
heartland of Germany. This would have been a cassus belli under the
treaty, German troops were specifically prohibited from that
area. Parts of the area were occupied by French troops so direct
confrontation was possible. At that time Germany's military was no
match for France's, so much so that Hitler's generals were very much
against the reoccupation. So the whole war could have been averted
had France acted. Hitler might very well have fallen since he would
have been unmasked as a military adventurer, something many of the
General's were saying anyway.
But France wanted help from Britain and it (led by Chamberlain)
wanted to negotiate. So no one did anything and Hitler started
gaining a reputation that he could bluff these two powers into
giving Germany concessions, a reputation that only gained in power
with the Anschluss (Mar, 38) followed by Munich (Sept 1938)
whd
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The faster you go, the shorter you are.
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| User: "cactus" |
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23 Jan 2005 12:08:19 PM |
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William Daffer wrote:
cactus <baldemar.malnariz@ubadlands.edu> writes:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 02:54:16 GMT, cactus
<baldemar.malnariz@ubadlands.edu> said in alt.atheism:
They were more less uncivilized than the Nazis, in that they did
not murder their own populations, and did not commit crimes against
peace during that time. Sometimes even civilized people must
resort to violence for self-defense.
WWII was Germany's attempt to protect itself from the Treaty of
Versailles.
That is the argument of demagogues. Germany effectively gutted the
Versailles treaty years before WWII. First came the hyperinflation
which rendered the reparations both valueless and meaningless. Second,
with Hitler's rise to power the army and navy were built up in direct
defiance of the Versailles Treaty provisions. Third, the annexation
of the Sudetenland and Anschluss ended any hope that Germany would
abide by those terms.
You missed the reoccupation of the Rhineland (1936), the industrial
heartland of Germany. This would have been a cassus belli under the
treaty, German troops were specifically prohibited from that
area. Parts of the area were occupied by French troops so direct
confrontation was possible. At that time Germany's military was no
match for France's, so much so that Hitler's generals were very much
against the reoccupation. So the whole war could have been averted
had France acted. Hitler might very well have fallen since he would
have been unmasked as a military adventurer, something many of the
General's were saying anyway.
But France wanted help from Britain and it (led by Chamberlain)
wanted to negotiate. So no one did anything and Hitler started
gaining a reputation that he could bluff these two powers into
giving Germany concessions, a reputation that only gained in power
with the Anschluss (Mar, 38) followed by Munich (Sept 1938)
whd
Right. Thank you.
But that behavior was civilized. The fact remains that their murderous
racism and criminal aggression against non-aggressive neighbors was
uncivilized.
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22 Jan 2005 07:49:06 AM |
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Colin Day wrote:
It might have been more helpful if they inflicted some violence
on the Nazis.
Colin Day
aa #1500
should they have inflicted violence on the Allies as well?
they were imprisoned in Germany because they refuse to fight in a war.
It was due to their political neutrality based on thier biblical
beliefs.
In the USA, they were also sent to Prison for the same reason.
they are the only known "christian" that refuse to fight on both side
of the fence.. how many catholics and protestants can say the same?
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| User: "Hokey Pokey P@P" |
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22 Jan 2005 12:10:48 PM |
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<Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1106401746.138329.209240@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Colin Day wrote:
It might have been more helpful if they inflicted some violence
on the Nazis.
Colin Day
aa #1500
should they have inflicted violence on the Allies as well?
they were imprisoned in Germany because they refuse to fight in a war.
It was due to their political neutrality based on thier biblical
beliefs.
In the USA, they were also sent to Prison for the same reason.
they are the only known "christian" that refuse to fight on both side
of the fence.. how many catholics and protestants can say the same?
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If it wasn't for Catholics and Protestants we'd all be speaking German and
there wouldn't be one Jew left alive on the earth. As a sick defective
disabled person *YOU* would be put out of your misery. But then your cult
couldn't care less about what happened to the Jews, gypsies, disabled etc.
during that war. You wont "fight" because you know someone else will go in
your place.
Kitty....
"Jabriol wants to be loved; failing this, to be admired; failing this, to be
feared; failing even this, to be hated and despised. Jabriol wants to
arouse
some sort of feeling in people. The soul shrinks from the void and wants
contact at any price." ~ Hjalmar Soderberg ~
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| User: "Gerard van Wilgen" |
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21 Jan 2005 07:19:49 PM |
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wrote:
http://www.jw-media.org/
Jehovah's Witnesses Stand Firm Against Nazi Assault
As the Nazi killing machine engulfed Europe with terror, thousands of
Jehovah's Witnesses suffered brutal persecution. In this video, 10
historians from Europe and North America, and more than 20 Witness
survivors, join in relating a story of courage and triumph that must be
told.
Is it courage to let yourself be killed if you are convinced that you
will be resurrected and live forever in Paradise? I do not think so!
Knowing that you can be tortured and killed, that you will be dead
forever and that your killers may never be punished and may even live
happily for many years after you have died, and nevertheless taking the
risk to fight the enemy, that would be real courage!
Gerard van Wilgen
www.majstro.com
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| User: "o.X.o P@P" |
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21 Jan 2005 08:15:21 PM |
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"Gerard van Wilgen" <gvanwilgen@planet.nl> wrote in message
news:cssaij$4pi$1@reader11.wxs.nl...
Jabriol@excite.com wrote:
http://www.jw-media.org/
Jehovah's Witnesses Stand Firm Against Nazi Assault
As the Nazi killing machine engulfed Europe with terror, thousands of
Jehovah's Witnesses suffered brutal persecution. In this video, 10
historians from Europe and North America, and more than 20 Witness
survivors, join in relating a story of courage and triumph that must be
told.
Is it courage to let yourself be killed if you are convinced that you
will be resurrected and live forever in Paradise? I do not think so!
## JWs place no value on human life because of this Watchtower Paradise
nonsense.
Knowing that you can be tortured and killed, that you will be dead
forever and that your killers may never be punished and may even live
happily for many years after you have died, and nevertheless taking the
risk to fight the enemy, that would be real courage!
## JWs wont even protect their loved ones no less themselves. The refuse to
stand up to their abusive leaders. They're a pathetic group of people
clinging to straws.....
Gerard van Wilgen
www.majstro.com
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Xooo...
"Beware of 'organization.' It is wholly un-necessary. The
Bible will be the only rules you need. Do not seek to bind
other consciences, and do not permit others to bind yours.
Believe and obey so far as you can understand God's word
today, and so continue to growing in grace and knowledge
day by day." - Zion's Watch Tower, 1895, p. 216
~~<~~{@
The WTS treat the sheep like mushrooms....keep them in the dark and feed
them
bullsh!t..... (Cedit to Dizz)
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22 Jan 2005 07:50:54 AM |
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Gerard van Wilgen wrote:
Is it courage to let yourself be killed if you are convinced that you
will be resurrected and live forever in Paradise? I do not think so!
Knowing that you can be tortured and killed, that you will be dead
forever and that your killers may never be punished and may even live
happily for many years after you have died, and nevertheless taking
the
risk to fight the enemy, that would be real courage!
Gerard van Wilgen
www.majstro.com
It worked for Jesus.
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22 Jan 2005 11:29:31 AM |
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wrote:
Gerard van Wilgen wrote:
Is it courage to let yourself be killed if you are convinced that you
will be resurrected and live forever in Paradise? I do not think so!
Knowing that you can be tortured and killed, that you will be dead
forever and that your killers may never be punished and may even live
happily for many years after you have died, and nevertheless taking
the
risk to fight the enemy, that would be real courage!
Gerard van Wilgen
www.majstro.com
It worked for Jesus.
And look at the problems he caused!
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22 Jan 2005 11:56:13 PM |
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wrote:
Gerard van Wilgen wrote:
Is it courage to let yourself be killed if you are convinced that you
will be resurrected and live forever in Paradise? I do not think so!
Knowing that you can be tortured and killed, that you will be dead
forever and that your killers may never be punished and may even live
happily for many years after you have died, and nevertheless taking
the
risk to fight the enemy, that would be real courage!
Gerard van Wilgen
www.majstro.com
It worked for Jesus.
you have no idea whether jesus was:
an itinerant preacher who actually lived, projected to the flock as the
son of a god
an imaginary myth written years after his so called death
a story that was bandied about at the time, based on many similar stories
from mythology of those earlydays.
Neither can you tell me what JC was supposed to have been doing from his
first birthday to his twentieth birthday. [the son of a god lives in
obscurity for twenty years!]
Bob
Humansit Brit.
Hong Kong
Quote:
Another Greek god figure that joined to human community was god
Prometheus. The center of his teaching is fire, the useful side of it. He
gave fire to humans. Jesus also spoke about fire, the dangerous side of
it. Jesus spoke about eternal fire in hell. Fate of both god's was
similar. Phrometheus was hanged on the mountain. Jesus was hanged
on the cross. I can not resist to the opinion that "Jesus the God" story
is just an adaptation of the similar Greek/Roman stories.
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23 Jan 2005 07:17:31 AM |
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It worked for Jesus.
[en]
I am willing to consider the possibility that a person known as Jesus of
Nazareth was actually executed some 2,000 years ago, but according to my
experience dead people stay that way. I have no reason to believe that
Jesus was an exception to this rule.
[eo]
Mi volas konsideri la eblon ke persono konata kiel Jezuo de Nazareto
fakte estis mortigita proksimume antaÅ 2.000 jaroj, sed laÅ mia spertado
la mortintaj restas tia. Mi ne havas kialon kredi ke Jezuo estis escepto
je tiu regulo.
Gerard van Wilgen
www.majstro.com
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| User: "bob young" |
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24 Jan 2005 04:46:05 AM |
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Gerard van Wilgen wrote:
It worked for Jesus.
[en]
I am willing to consider the possibility that a person known as Jesus of
Nazareth was actually executed some 2,000 years ago, but according to my
experience dead people stay that way. I have no reason to believe that
Jesus was an exception to this rule.
I agree. The Resurrection was a clever ruse, it perpetrated the belief for
thousands of years. Whoever thought up the story was well ahead of his
time. He'd make a fortune on the stock markets today!
[eo]
Mi volas konsideri la eblon ke persono konata kiel Jezuo de Nazareto
fakte estis mortigita proksimume antaÅ? 2.000 jaroj, sed laÅ? mia spertado
la mortintaj restas tia. Mi ne havas kialon kredi ke Jezuo estis escepto
je tiu regulo.
Gerard van Wilgen
www.majstro.com
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23 Jan 2005 08:37:47 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:17:31 +0100, Gerard van Wilgen
<gvanwilgen@planet.nl> said in alt.atheism:
It worked for Jesus.
I am willing to consider the possibility that a person known as Jesus of
Nazareth was actually executed some 2,000 years ago
What's now Nazareth was then a small village graveyard, so I doubt
that there was anyone known as Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus the Nazarene,
maybe, but that has nothing to do with a place name. (It refers to
the Netzorim, a sect of Essenes.)
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"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their
numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion,
only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
-A. Einstein (Letter to Edgar Meyer, Jan. 2, 1915)
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rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Mrs. Henschel P@P" |
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23 Jan 2005 10:19:25 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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I am willing to consider the possibility that a person known as Jesus of
Nazareth was actually executed some 2,000 years ago
What's now Nazareth was then a small village graveyard, so I doubt
that there was anyone known as Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus the Nazarene,
maybe, but that has nothing to do with a place name. (It refers to
the Netzorim, a sect of Essenes.)
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How do the fundies and bible thumpers explain this fact away? Jesus surely
wasn't born on a tombstone....
--
Henn....
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
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The best defense to logic is ignorance
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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24 Jan 2005 12:33:44 AM |
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:19:25 -0600, "Mrs. Henschel" <P@P> said in
alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:ion8v0pd8gossd59mdabl50m7cf1nsdpq3@4ax.com...
I am willing to consider the possibility that a person known as Jesus of
Nazareth was actually executed some 2,000 years ago
What's now Nazareth was then a small village graveyard, so I doubt
that there was anyone known as Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus the Nazarene,
maybe, but that has nothing to do with a place name. (It refers to
the Netzorim, a sect of Essenes.)
How do the fundies and bible thumpers explain this fact away? Jesus surely
wasn't born on a tombstone....
Some ignore it. Some claim it's wrong. I guess others have other
'explanations'. Christian apologetics isn't known for the truth of
its assertions.
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| Title: Re: Jehovah's Witnesses Stand Firm Against Nazi Assault |
21 Jan 2005 11:07:58 PM |
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Gerard van Wilgen wrote:
Jabriol@excite.com wrote:
http://www.jw-media.org/
Jehovah's Witnesses Stand Firm Against Nazi Assault
As the Nazi killing machine engulfed Europe with terror, thousands of
Jehovah's Witnesses suffered brutal persecution. In this video, 10
historians from Europe and North America, and more than 20 Witness
survivors, join in relating a story of courage and triumph that must be
told.
Is it courage to let yourself be killed if you are convinced that you
will be resurrected and live forever in Paradise? I do not think so!
The loonies do it eveyday in Irak, blow themselves up in the name of their
imaginary god.
Evolution gave us freak brains and some humans just cannot give up trying to
prove it!
Knowing that you can be tortured and killed, that you will be dead
forever and that your killers may never be punished and may even live
happily for many years after you have died, and nevertheless taking the
risk to fight the enemy, that would be real courage!
Gerard van Wilgen
www.majstro.com
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| User: "towelie" |
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22 Jan 2005 01:04:22 AM |
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TV's wrote:
http://www.jw-media.org/
Jehovah's Witnesses Stand Firm Against Nazi Assault
As the Nazi killing machine engulfed Europe with terror, thousands of
Jehovah's Witnesses suffered brutal persecution. In this video, 10
historians from Europe and North America, and more than 20 Witness
survivors, join in relating a story of courage and triumph that must be
told.
But they're still kooks.
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