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"Jason Spaceman" |
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28 Jan 2006 02:27:48 AM |
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Jerry Falwell: Anti-evolution revolution |
From the article:
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Posted: January 28, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
Darwinian evolution – the theory that is touted as enlightened truth
by education and media elites – is not recognized as fact by many
individuals.
In fact, a new survey from the United Kingdom has found that a
majority of Brits do not believe in evolution. The BBC survey of 2,000
people in a program titled "Horizon: A War on Science" showed that
"more than half the British population does not accept the theory of
evolution."
Further, participants largely favored the teaching of either
creationism or intelligent design in schools, along with evolution.
Poll editor Andrew Cohen told Britain's the Register, "Most people
would have expected the public to go for evolution theory, but it
seems there are lots of people who appear to believe in an alternative
theory for life's origins."
American polls have found similar results.
Last year, 64 percent in a Pew Research Center poll said they believe
creationism should be taught alongside evolution in schools.
Luis Lugo, director of the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life,
said, "What this basically tells us is that in contentious issues,
many people take the default position – teach both sides and let
people make up their own minds."
But the evolution community wants to dictate their values on American
school children. The left frequently talks about "diversity," but they
sanction uniformity of thought when it comes to teaching about the
foundations of the universe. It is a troubling double standard.
Those who embrace biblical teachings on creation are typically
depicted as provincial victims of obsolete views that have not kept up
with modern society. We are told that it's fine to believe in the
Genesis account of creation while we are in our churches, but when we
step out of the church our views should be stifled.
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Read it at http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48536
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| User: "Delaware Dave" |
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28 Jan 2006 10:13:43 AM |
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Falwell said:
"We are told that it's fine to believe in the Genesis account of
creation while we are in our churches, but when we step out of the
church our views should be stifled."
The fact is that the 64 percent don't have a ***** clue about modes
of inquiry or their limits.
The posters that claim evolution is a religion don't have a clue. Same
for the "teach the controversy" crowd. Ditto for Falwell.
Does our so-called education system suck or what?
Cheers,
Delaware Dave
Our "education system" fails to teach what empirical knowledge is and
what it isn't.
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| User: "stoney" |
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29 Jan 2006 04:44:00 PM |
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On 28 Jan 2006 08:13:43 -0800, "Delaware Dave" <dave@dennisonweb.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
Falwell said:
"We are told that it's fine to believe in the Genesis account of
creation while we are in our churches, but when we step out of the
church our views should be stifled."
The fact is that the 64 percent don't have a ***** clue about modes
of inquiry or their limits.
The posters that claim evolution is a religion don't have a clue. Same
for the "teach the controversy" crowd. Ditto for Falwell.
Does our so-called education system suck or what?
What educational system?
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "A.Carlson" |
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28 Jan 2006 11:55:59 AM |
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On 28 Jan 2006 08:13:43 -0800, "Delaware Dave" <dave@dennisonweb.com>
wrote:
Falwell said:
"We are told that it's fine to believe in the Genesis account of
creation while we are in our churches, but when we step out of the
church our views should be stifled."
And yet, even with him being an ignoramus and one of our biggest
horses *****, he was still free to open up his own university to teach
such tripe.
The fact is that the 64 percent don't have a ***** clue about modes
of inquiry or their limits.
Nor, as Falwell's statement indicates, do they have any obligation to
tell the truth when talking about such things.
The posters that claim evolution is a religion don't have a clue. Same
for the "teach the controversy" crowd. Ditto for Falwell.
Does our so-called education system suck or what?
Cheers,
Delaware Dave
Our "education system" fails to teach what empirical knowledge is and
what it isn't.
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| User: "stoney" |
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29 Jan 2006 04:51:13 PM |
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:55:59 -0800, "A.Carlson" <amcarls@hotmail.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On 28 Jan 2006 08:13:43 -0800, "Delaware Dave" <dave@dennisonweb.com>
wrote:
Falwell said:
"We are told that it's fine to believe in the Genesis account of
creation while we are in our churches, but when we step out of the
church our views should be stifled."
And yet, even with him being an ignoramus and one of our biggest
horses *****, he was still free to open up his own university to teach
such tripe.
Of course, and it was placed in Lynchburg for very good reason. Such is
the only honesty involved.
The fact is that the 64 percent don't have a ***** clue about modes
of inquiry or their limits.
Nor, as Falwell's statement indicates, do they have any obligation to
tell the truth when talking about such things.
Christians are their own worst enemies (generality alert) when it comes
to following what they preach. Such is Christian Morality®.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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29 Jan 2006 10:29:59 PM |
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In <03amt11cgqi4080i57r5su9dqsapfpfpn6@4ax.com>, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
But the evolution community wants to dictate their values on American
school children.
Yeah, like that damn math community that keeps dictating that 2 + 2 = 4!
TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!!!!!!!
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Mark K. Bilbo
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| User: "John C. Randolph" |
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30 Jan 2006 03:22:33 AM |
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On 2006-01-29 20:29:59 -0800, "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> said:
In <03amt11cgqi4080i57r5su9dqsapfpfpn6@4ax.com>, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
But the evolution community wants to dictate their values on American
school children.
Yeah, like that damn math community that keeps dictating that 2 + 2 = 4!
TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!!!!!!!
Actually, the bible-thumper's big sticking point is the value of Pi.
You could even say that they're irrational about it.
-jcr
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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30 Jan 2006 10:58:19 AM |
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In <2006013001223342612%jcrnospam@nospammaccom>, "John C. Randolph"
<jcr.nospam@nospam.mac.com> wrote:
On 2006-01-29 20:29:59 -0800, "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster>
said:
In <03amt11cgqi4080i57r5su9dqsapfpfpn6@4ax.com>, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
But the evolution community wants to dictate their values on American
school children.
Yeah, like that damn math community that keeps dictating that 2 + 2 = 4!
TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!!!!!!!
Actually, the bible-thumper's big sticking point is the value of Pi. You
could even say that they're irrational about it.
You *could say that but you'd be risking a firm thwap upside the head with
a rubber chicken...
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| User: "John C. Randolph" |
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30 Jan 2006 03:18:52 AM |
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Isn't this Jerry Falwell, the traitor who sees eye-to-eye with Al Queda
when it comes to proclaiming divine retribution against America?
-jcr
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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28 Jan 2006 03:23:09 AM |
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Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in
news:03amt11cgqi4080i57r5su9dqsapfpfpn6@4ax.com:
Flawell said the following:
Those who embrace biblical teachings on creation are typically
depicted as provincial victims of obsolete views that have not kept up
with modern society. We are told that it's fine to believe in the
Genesis account of creation while we are in our churches, but when we
step out of the church our views should be stifled.
..
..
What JS missed was the end where Jerry Flawell says, "In the meantime, I
will continue to stand against the evolutionary and secularist tides by
proclaiming that God spoke the heavens and the earth into existence in six
literal days. "
That's nice Jerry. Keep spreading the lies.
And that concludes our show for today. Come back next week for another
adventure in "Irrational Delusions of the Fundamentalist Christian" where
we show you how some attempt to spread "***** for the Ages".
pierce
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| User: "jacob navia" |
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28 Jan 2006 03:39:15 AM |
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Jason Spaceman a écrit :
From the article:
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Posted: January 28, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
Darwinian evolution – the theory that is touted as enlightened truth
by education and media elites – is not recognized as fact by many
individuals.
So what?
There are a billion flies that eat *****, and find it delicious.
No reason for me to do the same...
jacob
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| User: "Ye Old One" |
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28 Jan 2006 04:10:30 AM |
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:39:15 +0100, jacob navia
<jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
Jason Spaceman a écrit :
From the article:
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Posted: January 28, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
Darwinian evolution – the theory that is touted as enlightened truth
by education and media elites – is not recognized as fact by many
individuals.
So what?
There are a billion flies that eat *****, and find it delicious.
No reason for me to do the same...
jacob
This has got to be considered for a Post Of The Month award.
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Bob.
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| User: "erikc" |
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28 Jan 2006 10:17:07 PM |
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:10:30 GMT, Ye Old One <usenet@mcsuk.net> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:39:15 +0100, jacob navia
<jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
Jason Spaceman a écrit :
From the article:
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Posted: January 28, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
Darwinian evolution – the theory that is touted as enlightened truth
by education and media elites – is not recognized as fact by many
individuals.
So what?
There are a billion flies that eat *****, and find it delicious.
No reason for me to do the same...
jacob
This has got to be considered for a Post Of The Month award.
I would consider it but I've heard that said since I was a kid.
Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil."
BAAWA Knight (retired) | "The Truth against the World."
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| User: "Les Hemmings" |
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28 Jan 2006 02:17:43 PM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
In fact, a new survey from the United Kingdom has found that a
majority of Brits do not believe in evolution. The BBC survey of 2,000
people in a program titled "Horizon: A War on Science" showed that
"more than half the British population does not accept the theory of
evolution."
If you go to the BBC page below you'll find the following article. The
only poll mentioned is the Gallup poll conducted in the US. I think you have
your countries mixed up. As a UK resident, it is an absurd statement to say
that half our largely non religious population would want creationism taught
in schools. Most people here see the inside of churches for weddings and
funerals only (and then not always, registry office weddings and crematoria
are much more likely than a church nowadays). Churches are in declline
nationwide and most schools have given up any kind of theist activity.
Now, if you had said that half the UK population hadn't a clue what
evolution was and couldn't care less anyway, I may have believed you. As for
you theist nutjobs in the US, it is a form of mild amusement to most here.
And causes a few of us to look on in stunned amazement and shame that anyone
who calls themselves human could hold such damned silly beliefs.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/war.shtml
A War on Science
The theory of evolution is under attack from a controversial new idea called
intelligent design. But is it science?
When Charles Darwin published his theory of evolution nearly 150 years
ago, he shattered the dominant belief of his day - that humans were the
product of divine creation. Through his observations of nature, Darwin
proposed the theory of evolution by natural selection. This caused uproar.
After all, if the story of creation could be doubted, so too could the
existence of the creator. Ever since its proposal, this cornerstone of
biology has sustained wave after wave of attack. Now some scientists fear it
is facing the most formidable challenge yet: a controversial new theory
called intelligent design.
In the late 1980s Phillip Johnson, a renowned lawyer and born-again
Christian, began to develop a strategy to challenge Darwin. To Johnson, the
evidence for natural selection was poor. He also believed that by explaining
the world only through material processes was inherently atheistic. If there
was a god, science would never be able to discover it.
Johnson recruited other Darwin doubters, including biochemist
Professor Michael Behe, mathematician Dr William Dembski, and philosopher of
science Dr Stephen Meyer. These scientists developed the theory of
intelligent design (ID) which claims that certain features of the natural
world are best explained as the result of an intelligent being. To him, the
presence of miniature machines and digital information found in living cells
are evidence of a supernatural creator. Throughout the 90s, the ID movement
took to disseminating articles, books and DVDs and organising conferences
all over the world.
To its supporters, intelligent design heralds a revolution in science
and the movement is fast gaining political clout. Not only does it have the
support of the President of the United States, it is on the verge of being
introduced to science classes across the nation. However, its many critics,
including Professor Richard Dawkins and Sir David Attenborough, fear that it
cloaks a religious motive - to replace science with god.
Throughout the 20th century Christian groups resisted the theory of
evolution. Many US states did not teach it until 1968 when the Supreme Court
ruled that banning the teaching of evolution contravened the first amendment
of the constitution of America, the separation of church and state. It was
however still legal to teach religion as part of science class until the
Edwards vs. Aguillard case in 1987, where mentioning a theory called
'creation science' in biology lessons was also deemed unconstitutional. This
left evolution as the only theory of biological origin that science teachers
were allowed to teach.
In 2005, the school board of Dover, a small farming community in
western Pennsylvania, became the first in America to adopt the theory of
intelligent design. The move divided the community and the small town became
the centre of national attention. The school board voted to teach the ninth
grade biology class that there are gaps and problems with the theory of
evolution and to present intelligent design as an alternative.
Dover science teacher Bryan Rehm and his wife Christy believed that
this new policy was not only anti-science, but religious and therefore
unconstitutional. By promoting religion it was a violation of the law passed
in 1987. The Rehms and nine other parents and teachers filed a law suit
against the school board. Neighbour was pitted against neighbour in the
first legal challenge to intelligent design.
After 40 days of trial, Judge John E Jones III ruled against the
school board, stating: "We have addressed the seminal question of whether ID
is science. We have concluded that it is not, and moreover that ID cannot
uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents."
Evolution supporters heralded this victory as the damning blow to the
intelligent design movement. However, as history shows, law suits have
little effect on the support for creationism in a country where over 50% of
citizens believe that God created humans in their present form, the way the
bible describes it.*
*Gallup national poll September 2005
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Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
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| User: "lensman1955" |
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28 Jan 2006 04:11:49 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Posted: January 28, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
Darwinian evolution - the theory that is touted as enlightened truth
by education and media elites - is not recognized as fact by many
individuals.
In fact, a new survey from the United Kingdom has found that a
majority of Brits do not believe in evolution. The BBC survey of 2,000
people in a program titled "Horizon: A War on Science" showed that
"more than half the British population does not accept the theory of
evolution."
Further, participants largely favored the teaching of either
creationism or intelligent design in schools, along with evolution.
Poll editor Andrew Cohen told Britain's the Register, "Most people
would have expected the public to go for evolution theory, but it
seems there are lots of people who appear to believe in an alternative
theory for life's origins."
American polls have found similar results.
Last year, 64 percent in a Pew Research Center poll said they believe
creationism should be taught alongside evolution in schools.
Luis Lugo, director of the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life,
said, "What this basically tells us is that in contentious issues,
many people take the default position - teach both sides and let
people make up their own minds."
But the evolution community wants to dictate their values on American
school children. The left frequently talks about "diversity," but they
sanction uniformity of thought when it comes to teaching about the
foundations of the universe. It is a troubling double standard.
Those who embrace biblical teachings on creation are typically
depicted as provincial victims of obsolete views that have not kept up
with modern society. We are told that it's fine to believe in the
Genesis account of creation while we are in our churches, but when we
step out of the church our views should be stifled.
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Read it at http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48536
If you could show verifiable evidence of a seven-day creation and all
animal life (including man and woman) being made whole and as they
currently are, then you'd have a case. I've never seen any evidence
actually SUPPORT creation. The most I've seen is people saying; "Look,
I can't believe this portion of evolution, therefore creation is the
only other option!"
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28 Jan 2006 08:20:22 PM |
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On 28 Jan 2006 02:11:49 -0800, "lensman1955" <lensman1955@hotmail.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Posted: January 28, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
Darwinian evolution - the theory that is touted as enlightened truth
by education and media elites - is not recognized as fact by many
individuals.
[]
Those who embrace biblical teachings on creation are typically
depicted as provincial victims of obsolete views that have not kept up
with modern society. We are told that it's fine to believe in the
Genesis account of creation while we are in our churches, but when we
step out of the church our views should be stifled.
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Read it at http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48536
If you could show verifiable evidence of a seven-day creation and all
animal life (including man and woman) being made whole and as they
currently are, then you'd have a case. I've never seen any evidence
actually SUPPORT creation. The most I've seen is people saying; "Look,
I can't believe this portion of evolution, therefore creation is the
only other option!"
There's no objective supporting evidence the universe was manufactured.
The Bible is definative evidence it was well beyond the drooling idiocy
of the Christian brand deity. After all, with all its 'power' and
'intellect' it was soundly defeated on a level plain by primitive
chariots. The reason for the defeat? They were made or *iron.*
Now that's some hefty irony!
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "NashtOn" |
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28 Jan 2006 06:02:43 AM |
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lensman1955 wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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Posted: January 28, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
Darwinian evolution - the theory that is touted as enlightened truth
by education and media elites - is not recognized as fact by many
individuals.
In fact, a new survey from the United Kingdom has found that a
majority of Brits do not believe in evolution. The BBC survey of 2,000
people in a program titled "Horizon: A War on Science" showed that
"more than half the British population does not accept the theory of
evolution."
Further, participants largely favored the teaching of either
creationism or intelligent design in schools, along with evolution.
Poll editor Andrew Cohen told Britain's the Register, "Most people
would have expected the public to go for evolution theory, but it
seems there are lots of people who appear to believe in an alternative
theory for life's origins."
American polls have found similar results.
Last year, 64 percent in a Pew Research Center poll said they believe
creationism should be taught alongside evolution in schools.
Luis Lugo, director of the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life,
said, "What this basically tells us is that in contentious issues,
many people take the default position - teach both sides and let
people make up their own minds."
But the evolution community wants to dictate their values on American
school children. The left frequently talks about "diversity," but they
sanction uniformity of thought when it comes to teaching about the
foundations of the universe. It is a troubling double standard.
Those who embrace biblical teachings on creation are typically
depicted as provincial victims of obsolete views that have not kept up
with modern society. We are told that it's fine to believe in the
Genesis account of creation while we are in our churches, but when we
step out of the church our views should be stifled.
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Read it at http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48536
If you could show verifiable evidence of a seven-day creation and all
animal life (including man and woman) being made whole and as they
currently are, then you'd have a case. I've never seen any evidence
actually SUPPORT creation. The most I've seen is people saying; "Look,
I can't believe this portion of evolution, therefore creation is the
only other option!"
A lot of what I've seen people saying is that the ToE is a crock,
therefore science isn't at a stage to provide us with any answers.
Lumping people in this manner and tarring them with the same wide brush
to fit your prejudices is disingenuous, dishonest and a sign of mental
midgets.
--
Nicolas
"The reason the theory of evolution is so controversial is that it is
the main scientific prop for scientific naturalism. Students first learn
that "evolution is a fact," and then they gradually learn more and more
about what that "fact" means. It means that all living things are the
product of mindless material forces such as chemical laws, natural
selection, and random variation. So God is totally out of the picture,
and humans (like everything else) are the accidental product of a
purposeless universe. Do you wonder why a lot of people suspect that
these claims go far beyond the available evidence?" Phillip E.Johnson,
The Church Of Darwin
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| User: "Chris Thompson" |
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28 Jan 2006 07:09:02 AM |
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NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote in
news:D3JCf.2666$VV4.73544@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:
Lumping people in this manner and tarring them with the same wide
brush to fit your prejudices is disingenuous, dishonest and a sign of
mental midgets.
And you must have titanium bands around your head, if your hypocrisy
hasn't made it explode by now.
Chris
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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28 Jan 2006 01:52:17 PM |
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NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote in news:D3JCf.2666$VV4.73544@ursa-
nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:
A lot of what I've seen people saying is that the ToE is a crock,
therefore science isn't at a stage to provide us with any answers.
Lumping people in this manner and tarring them with the same wide brush
to fit your prejudices is disingenuous, dishonest and a sign of mental
midgets.
You are absolutely correct. Many creationsts consider having a pat answer
for everything is admirable and in the contest between science and faith it
then declares faith the winner. This causes the creationist to have an air
of smugness about him/her that is quite revolting.
I love the Dawkin's video when he interviewed one fundie preacher. The
preacher says "If you only heard the books I know and if you only knew the
scientists I do, you would be great like me." Then in the next sentence he
says "Don't be arrogant". Great like me? Don't be arrogant? The irony of
this interview is astounding.
Fundies. They might make reaonable bait for gators.
pierce
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29 Jan 2006 04:42:14 PM |
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 19:52:17 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote in alt.atheism
NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote in news:D3JCf.2666$VV4.73544@ursa-
nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:
A lot of what I've seen people saying is that the ToE is a crock,
therefore science isn't at a stage to provide us with any answers.
Lumping people in this manner and tarring them with the same wide brush
to fit your prejudices is disingenuous, dishonest and a sign of mental
midgets.
You are absolutely correct. Many creationsts consider having a pat answer
for everything is admirable and in the contest between science and faith it
then declares faith the winner. This causes the creationist to have an air
of smugness about him/her that is quite revolting.
I love the Dawkin's video when he interviewed one fundie preacher. The
preacher says "If you only heard the books I know and if you only knew the
scientists I do, you would be great like me."
That's Christian Humility®.
On the other hand the preacher is GREAT! Great pig ignorant.
Then in the next sentence he
says "Don't be arrogant". Great like me? Don't be arrogant? The irony of
this interview is astounding.
Fundies. They might make reaonable bait for gators.
What did gators ever do to you to cause you to be so cruel to them?
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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28 Jan 2006 07:16:33 PM |
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R. Pierce Butler wrote:
NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote in news:D3JCf.2666$VV4.73544@ursa-
nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:
A lot of what I've seen people saying is that the ToE is a crock,
therefore science isn't at a stage to provide us with any answers.
Lumping people in this manner and tarring them with the same wide brush
to fit your prejudices is disingenuous, dishonest and a sign of mental
midgets.
You are absolutely correct. Many creationsts consider having a pat answer
for everything is admirable and in the contest between science and faith it
then declares faith the winner. This causes the creationist to have an air
of smugness about him/her that is quite revolting.
I love the Dawkin's video when he interviewed one fundie preacher. The
preacher says "If you only heard the books I know and if you only knew the
scientists I do, you would be great like me." Then in the next sentence he
says "Don't be arrogant". Great like me? Don't be arrogant? The irony of
this interview is astounding.
Fundies. They might make reaonable bait for gators.
pierce
So Pierce is basing his assumptions about Christianity on an interview
he viewed showcasing a fundamentalist.
According to his twisted logic, all Christians *must* and *do* behave in
this manner.
If you would only read your sorry excuses for posts before you send them
off, it would save you the embarrassment of looking like a complete dolt.
--
Nicolas
"The reason the theory of evolution is so controversial is that it is
the main scientific prop for scientific naturalism. Students first learn
that "evolution is a fact," and then they gradually learn more and more
about what that "fact" means. It means that all living things are the
product of mindless material forces such as chemical laws, natural
selection, and random variation. So God is totally out of the picture,
and humans (like everything else) are the accidental product of a
purposeless universe. Do you wonder why a lot of people suspect that
these claims go far beyond the available evidence?" Phillip E.Johnson,
The Church Of Darwin
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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28 Jan 2006 07:37:22 PM |
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NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote in
news:RHUCf.3076$VV4.82899@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:
R. Pierce Butler wrote:
NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote in news:D3JCf.2666$VV4.73544@ursa-
nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:
A lot of what I've seen people saying is that the ToE is a crock,
therefore science isn't at a stage to provide us with any answers.
Lumping people in this manner and tarring them with the same wide brush
to fit your prejudices is disingenuous, dishonest and a sign of mental
midgets.
You are absolutely correct. Many creationsts consider having a pat
answer for everything is admirable and in the contest between science
and faith it then declares faith the winner. This causes the
creationist to have an air of smugness about him/her that is quite
revolting.
I love the Dawkin's video when he interviewed one fundie preacher. The
preacher says "If you only heard the books I know and if you only knew
the scientists I do, you would be great like me." Then in the next
sentence he says "Don't be arrogant". Great like me? Don't be
arrogant? The irony of this interview is astounding.
Fundies. They might make reaonable bait for gators.
pierce
So Pierce is basing his assumptions about Christianity on an interview
he viewed showcasing a fundamentalist.
According to his twisted logic, all Christians *must* and *do* behave in
this manner.
If you would only read your sorry excuses for posts before you send them
off, it would save you the embarrassment of looking like a complete
dolt.
Did I or did I not make a reference to a fundie also known as a
fundametalist/extremist? Also bundled in the funamentalist crowd is the
creationist. Now if you can show where anything I wrote equates to all
Chistians, I would like to see it.
pierce
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| User: "stoney" |
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29 Jan 2006 04:43:16 PM |
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 01:37:22 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote in alt.atheism
NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote in
news:RHUCf.3076$VV4.82899@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:
R. Pierce Butler wrote:
NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote in news:D3JCf.2666$VV4.73544@ursa-
nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:
A lot of what I've seen people saying is that the ToE is a crock,
therefore science isn't at a stage to provide us with any answers.
Lumping people in this manner and tarring them with the same wide brush
to fit your prejudices is disingenuous, dishonest and a sign of mental
midgets.
You are absolutely correct. Many creationsts consider having a pat
answer for everything is admirable and in the contest between science
and faith it then declares faith the winner. This causes the
creationist to have an air of smugness about him/her that is quite
revolting.
I love the Dawkin's video when he interviewed one fundie preacher. The
preacher says "If you only heard the books I know and if you only knew
the scientists I do, you would be great like me." Then in the next
sentence he says "Don't be arrogant". Great like me? Don't be
arrogant? The irony of this interview is astounding.
Fundies. They might make reaonable bait for gators.
pierce
So Pierce is basing his assumptions about Christianity on an interview
he viewed showcasing a fundamentalist.
According to his twisted logic, all Christians *must* and *do* behave in
this manner.
If you would only read your sorry excuses for posts before you send them
off, it would save you the embarrassment of looking like a complete
dolt.
Did I or did I not make a reference to a fundie also known as a
fundametalist/extremist? Also bundled in the funamentalist crowd is the
creationist. Now if you can show where anything I wrote equates to all
Chistians, I would like to see it.
Fundies are the only TTTTTTTTTTTTTRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Christians, don't ya know.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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29 Jan 2006 04:57:04 PM |
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stoney wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 01:37:22 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote in alt.atheism
NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote in
news:RHUCf.3076$VV4.82899@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:
R. Pierce Butler wrote:
NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote in news:D3JCf.2666$VV4.73544@ursa-
nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:
A lot of what I've seen people saying is that the ToE is a crock,
therefore science isn't at a stage to provide us with any answers.
Lumping people in this manner and tarring them with the same wide brush
to fit your prejudices is disingenuous, dishonest and a sign of mental
midgets.
You are absolutely correct. Many creationsts consider having a pat
answer for everything is admirable and in the contest between science
and faith it then declares faith the winner. This causes the
creationist to have an air of smugness about him/her that is quite
revolting.
I love the Dawkin's video when he interviewed one fundie preacher. The
preacher says "If you only heard the books I know and if you only knew
the scientists I do, you would be great like me." Then in the next
sentence he says "Don't be arrogant". Great like me? Don't be
arrogant? The irony of this interview is astounding.
Fundies. They might make reaonable bait for gators.
pierce
So Pierce is basing his assumptions about Christianity on an interview
he viewed showcasing a fundamentalist.
According to his twisted logic, all Christians *must* and *do* behave in
this manner.
If you would only read your sorry excuses for posts before you send them
off, it would save you the embarrassment of looking like a complete
dolt.
Did I or did I not make a reference to a fundie also known as a
fundametalist/extremist? Also bundled in the funamentalist crowd is the
creationist. Now if you can show where anything I wrote equates to all
Chistians, I would like to see it.
Fundies are the only TTTTTTTTTTTTTRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Christians, don't ya know.
Och, aye!
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
Servum tui ero, ipse vespera
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Jerry Falwell: Anti-evolution revolution |
28 Jan 2006 10:58:31 PM |
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 01:16:33 GMT, NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote:
R. Pierce Butler wrote:
NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote in news:D3JCf.2666$VV4.73544@ursa-
nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:
A lot of what I've seen people saying is that the ToE is a crock,
therefore science isn't at a stage to provide us with any answers.
Lumping people in this manner and tarring them with the same wide brush
to fit your prejudices is disingenuous, dishonest and a sign of mental
midgets.
You are absolutely correct. Many creationsts consider having a pat answer
for everything is admirable and in the contest between science and faith it
then declares faith the winner. This causes the creationist to have an air
of smugness about him/her that is quite revolting.
I love the Dawkin's video when he interviewed one fundie preacher. The
preacher says "If you only heard the books I know and if you only knew the
scientists I do, you would be great like me." Then in the next sentence he
says "Don't be arrogant". Great like me? Don't be arrogant? The irony of
this interview is astounding.
Fundies. They might make reaonable bait for gators.
pierce
So Pierce is basing his assumptions about Christianity on an interview
he viewed showcasing a fundamentalist.
According to his twisted logic, all Christians *must* and *do* behave in
this manner.
actually, it's fairly common among creationists to have them say they
are the only true xtians
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| User: "Jesus H Christ" |
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| Title: Re: Jerry Falwell: Anti-evolution revolution |
29 Jan 2006 06:49:02 AM |
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NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote in news:D3JCf.2666$VV4.73544@ursa-
nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:
lensman1955 wrote:
A lot of what I've seen people saying is that the ToE is a crock,
If you only watch fundie home primer DVD's on creationism, you mean.
therefore science isn't at a stage to provide us with any answers.
Like Science doesn't have any answers about, say, the evolution of HIV or
the 1918 influenza pandemic?
You idiot, you're sounding stupider and more ignorant every fucking time
you open your mouth.
Lumping people in this manner and tarring them with the same wide brush
to fit your prejudices is disingenuous, dishonest and a sign of mental
midgets.
At least they're mental midgets, as opposed to downright liars like you,
assclown.
WASH MY FEET, FUNDIE!
JEEEEEEEEEEEEESUS!
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Jerry Falwell: Anti-evolution revolution |
29 Jan 2006 06:41:05 AM |
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Jesus H Christ wrote:
NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote in news:D3JCf.2666$VV4.73544@ursa-
nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:
lensman1955 wrote:
A lot of what I've seen people saying is that the ToE is a crock,
If you only watch fundie home primer DVD's on creationism, you mean.
therefore science isn't at a stage to provide us with any answers.
Like Science doesn't have any answers about, say, the evolution of HIV or
the 1918 influenza pandemic?
You idiot, you're sounding stupider and more ignorant every fucking time
you open your mouth.
If you're going to call people names, let's get the creditataion right.
"lensman1955" did not write the stuff you're responding to.
WASH MY FEET, FUNDIE!
JEEEEEEEEEEEEESUS!
....and now you're just getting offensive. Are you secretly Penn
Gillette?
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| User: "Jesus H Christ" |
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29 Jan 2006 08:57:28 PM |
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wrote in
news:1138538465.351449.211970@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Jesus H Christ wrote:
NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote in news:D3JCf.2666$VV4.73544@ursa-
nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:
lensman1955 wrote:
A lot of what I've seen people saying is that the ToE is a crock,
If you only watch fundie home primer DVD's on creationism, you mean.
therefore science isn't at a stage to provide us with any answers.
Like Science doesn't have any answers about, say, the evolution of
HIV or the 1918 influenza pandemic?
You idiot, you're sounding stupider and more ignorant every fucking
time you open your mouth.
If you're going to call people names, let's get the creditataion
right. "lensman1955" did not write the stuff you're responding to.
You need to either fix your feed, your newsreader or your glasses, buddy,
since the line and the post I'm replying to came from Nast0n - at least
in my part of the world.
WASH MY FEET, FUNDIE!
JEEEEEEEEEEEEESUS!
...and now you're just getting offensive.
Hey, ***** you if you don't have a sense of humour.
Sorry, was that offensive?
Bugger! ;-)
Are you secretly Penn Gillette?
No. But after reading his commentary on NPR on being an atheist I think
his position on religion's commendable.
"Believing there is no God gives me more room for belief in family,
people, love, truth, beauty, sex, Jell-O and all the other things I can
prove and that make this life the best life I will ever have."
( http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5015557 )
jesus!
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| User: "" |
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30 Jan 2006 04:20:54 AM |
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Jesus H Christ wrote:
edrhodes@hotmail.com wrote in
news:1138538465.351449.211970@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Jesus H Christ wrote:
NashtOn <nana@na.ca> wrote in news:D3JCf.2666$VV4.73544@ursa-
nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:
lensman1955 wrote:
A lot of what I've seen people saying is that the ToE is a crock,
If you only watch fundie home primer DVD's on creationism, you mean.
therefore science isn't at a stage to provide us with any answers.
Like Science doesn't have any answers about, say, the evolution of
HIV or the 1918 influenza pandemic?
You idiot, you're sounding stupider and more ignorant every fucking
time you open your mouth.
If you're going to call people names, let's get the creditataion
right. "lensman1955" did not write the stuff you're responding to.
You need to either fix your feed, your newsreader or your glasses, buddy,
since the line and the post I'm replying to came from Nast0n - at least
in my part of the world.
You're right, the post does say "NastOn." But for some reason, it also
says; "lensman1955 wrote" before NastOn's comments. I just wanted to
make it clear that I did not write that.
WASH MY FEET, FUNDIE!
JEEEEEEEEEEEEESUS!
...and now you're just getting offensive.
Hey, ***** you if you don't have a sense of humour.
Sorry, was that offensive?
Bugger! ;-)
"I was just joking" is always the first response of the bully.
Are you secretly Penn Gillette?
No. But after reading his commentary on NPR on being an atheist I think
his position on religion's commendable.
"Believing there is no God gives me more room for belief in family,
people, love, truth, beauty, sex, Jell-O and all the other things I can
prove and that make this life the best life I will ever have."
( http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5015557 )
It also gives him time for nasty sight gags like being dragged into a
room on a cross while Teller pretends to felliate him!
You don't want to believe, that's fine. This isn't the 14th Century and
we don't put people to the question nowadays. But don't pretend there's
anything particularly noble in trashing people who do have faith in
something higher than themselves.
(People who try to use that belief to opress others or create political
change to make the world follow their beliefs, Hell yeah, trash them
all you want!)
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| User: "Jesus H Christ" |
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30 Jan 2006 06:27:10 AM |
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wrote in
news:1138616454.528034.256880@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
You need to either fix your feed, your newsreader or your glasses,
buddy, since the line and the post I'm replying to came from Nast0n -
at least in my part of the world.
You're right, the post does say "NastOn." But for some reason, it also
says; "lensman1955 wrote" before NastOn's comments. I just wanted to
make it clear that I did not write that.
Ah, I see - it's my bad. You're right, it's a badly snipped quotation
line.
My apologies.
WASH MY FEET, FUNDIE!
JEEEEEEEEEEEEESUS!
...and now you're just getting offensive.
Hey, ***** you if you don't have a sense of humour.
Sorry, was that offensive?
Bugger! ;-)
"I was just joking" is always the first response of the bully.
If I simply said youre an anal retentive assclown with no sense of humour,
would *that* be bullying?
Are you secretly Penn Gillette?
No. But after reading his commentary on NPR on being an atheist I
think his position on religion's commendable.
"Believing there is no God gives me more room for belief in family,
people, love, truth, beauty, sex, Jell-O and all the other things I
can prove and that make this life the best life I will ever have."
( http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5015557 )
It also gives him time for nasty sight gags like being dragged into a
room on a cross while Teller pretends to felliate him!
Television, huh? Next thing, they'll be showing simulated sex on TV and
making fun of religion.
Oh, that's right. They do already.
Sounds like they achieved *exactly* the result they wanted out of you.
You don't want to believe, that's fine. This isn't the 14th Century
and we don't put people to the question nowadays.
14th century my *****. Are you fucking ignorant or are you just some kind
of apologist intent on distorting the truth?
The scientist Giardino Bruno was burned to death by the Catholic church in
1600.
Persecution of ideas contrary to the Catholic church's specific brand of
spiritualistic religious dogma persisted well into the 19th century.
But don't pretend
there's anything particularly noble in trashing people who do have
faith in something higher than themselves.
They're free to believe whatever unsupported dumb-***** moronic
spiritualistic ***** they want.
That's the advantage of living in the modern age; there's plenty of people
to do the thinking for you, leaving you free to engage in whatever deluded
spiritualistic religious fantasy you like.
(People who try to use that belief to opress others or create
political change to make the world follow their beliefs, Hell yeah,
trash them all you want!)
*EXACTLY* my sentiment.
I leave the fundies discussing how many angels can dance on the head of a
pin well enough alone.
But when they cross-over into telling me that their particular flavour of
spiritualistic religious dogma is based on objective scientific facts, they
deserve what they get.
jesus!
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| User: "" |
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30 Jan 2006 06:13:27 PM |
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Jesus H Christ wrote:
edrhodes@hotmail.com wrote in
news:1138616454.528034.256880@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
You need to either fix your feed, your newsreader or your glasses,
buddy, since the line and the post I'm replying to came from Nast0n -
at least in my part of the world.
You're right, the post does say "NastOn." But for some reason, it also
says; "lensman1955 wrote" before NastOn's comments. I just wanted to
make it clear that I did not write that.
Ah, I see - it's my bad. You're right, it's a badly snipped quotation
line.
My apologies.
WASH MY FEET, FUNDIE!
JEEEEEEEEEEEEESUS!
...and now you're just getting offensive.
Hey, ***** you if you don't have a sense of humour.
Sorry, was that offensive?
Bugger! ;-)
"I was just joking" is always the first response of the bully.
If I simply said youre an anal retentive assclown with no sense of humour,
would *that* be bullying?
Are you secretly Penn Gillette?
No. But after reading his commentary on NPR on being an atheist I
think his position on religion's commendable.
"Believing there is no God gives me more room for belief in family,
people, love, truth, beauty, sex, Jell-O and all the other things I
can prove and that make this life the best life I will ever have."
( http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5015557 )
It also gives him time for nasty sight gags like being dragged into a
room on a cross while Teller pretends to felliate him!
Television, huh? Next thing, they'll be showing simulated sex on TV and
making fun of religion.
Oh, that's right. They do already.
Sounds like they achieved *exactly* the result they wanted out of you.
You don't want to believe, that's fine. This isn't the 14th Century
and we don't put people to the question nowadays.
14th century my *****. Are you fucking ignorant or are you just some kind
of apologist intent on distorting the truth?
The scientist Giardino Bruno was burned to death by the Catholic church in
1600.
Persecution of ideas contrary to the Catholic church's specific brand of
spiritualistic religious dogma persisted well into the 19th century.
But don't pretend
there's anything particularly noble in trashing people who do have
faith in something higher than themselves.
They're free to believe whatever unsupported dumb-***** moronic
spiritualistic ***** they want.
That's the advantage of living in the modern age; there's plenty of people
to do the thinking for you, leaving you free to engage in whatever deluded
spiritualistic religious fantasy you like.
(People who try to use that belief to opress others or create
political change to make the world follow their beliefs, Hell yeah,
trash them all you want!)
*EXACTLY* my sentiment.
I leave the fundies discussing how many angels can dance on the head of a
pin well enough alone.
But when they cross-over into telling me that their particular flavour of
spiritualistic religious dogma is based on objective scientific facts, they
deserve what they get.
Problem is, too many people seem to feel anyone who acknowledges a
faith in a higher power is fair game to be verbally nuked!
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