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15 Jun 2005 10:10:58 AM |
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Jesus and God separate existence? |
Jesus and God separate existence?
Do you expect Jesus and his father to exist as separate entities in
heaven? References to Jesus 'sitting at God's right hand' seem to
suggest that they will, but it's a hard thing to understand.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org
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DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation fro=ADm his own
wrath!(Author unknown)
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| User: "Dore" |
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16 Jun 2005 01:28:40 AM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jesus and God separate existence?
Do you expect Jesus and his father to exist as separate entities in
heaven? References to Jesus 'sitting at God's right hand' seem to
suggest that they will, but it's a hard thing to understand.
You think that being separate entities is difficult to grasp, wait to you
hear this truth. We have the ability to be one and the same person, as well
as separate and unique individuals.
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Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jesus and God separate existence?
Do you expect Jesus and his father to exist as separate entities in
heaven? References to Jesus 'sitting at God's right hand' seem to
suggest that they will, but it's a hard thing to understand.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org
Bumper Sticker
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
wrath!(Author unknown)
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| User: "Jez" |
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16 Jun 2005 07:09:00 PM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jesus and God separate existence?
Do you expect Jesus and his father to exist as separate entities in
heaven? References to Jesus 'sitting at God's right hand' seem to
suggest that they will, but it's a hard thing to understand.
Everything to do with your crappy cult is hard to understand.
I mean, what kind of ***** must one experience to give up rationality ?
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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| User: "kathryn" |
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15 Jun 2005 05:56:01 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1118830258.864019.255710@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Jesus and God separate existence?
Do you expect Jesus and his father to exist as separate entities in
heaven? References to Jesus 'sitting at God's right hand' seem to
suggest that they will, but it's a hard thing to understand.
probably because it's all a steaming pile of ***** :)
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| User: "AnonMoos" |
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15 Jun 2005 04:32:16 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jesus and God separate existence? Do you expect Jesus and his
father to exist as separate entities in heaven? References to Jesus
'sitting at God's right hand' seem to suggest that they will, but
it's a hard thing to understand.
Hey Abu Truthhunter, God is not the same as the Father, to start with!
It's all explained in the "Shield of the Trinity" diagram -- I've even
provided a translation of the diagram into the Arabic language, just
for you, Abu Truthhunter! http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/shield-trinity.htm
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| User: "Rev Ray Charles" |
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15 Jun 2005 10:21:00 AM |
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Hey Truth Hunter are you the same person as The Thruth Squad?
--
Articulate the way we live and cellebrate
John 10:10
The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they
may have life, and have it to the full.
John 10:9-11
"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1118830258.864019.255710@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Jesus and God separate existence?
Do you expect Jesus and his father to exist as separate entities in
heaven? References to Jesus 'sitting at God's right hand' seem to
suggest that they will, but it's a hard thing to understand.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org
Bumper Sticker
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
wrath!(Author unknown)
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| User: "William McHale" |
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16 Jun 2005 08:36:30 PM |
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In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Truth Hunter <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jesus and God separate existence?
Do you expect Jesus and his father to exist as separate entities in
heaven? References to Jesus 'sitting at God's right hand' seem to
suggest that they will, but it's a hard thing to understand.
You expect chairs in heaven? Think it is obvious that this a metaphor.
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Bill
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| User: "icono" |
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16 Jun 2005 09:51:23 PM |
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"William McHale" <mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote in message
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In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Truth Hunter
<hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jesus and God separate existence?
Do you expect Jesus and his father to exist as separate entities in
heaven? References to Jesus 'sitting at God's right hand' seem to
suggest that they will, but it's a hard thing to understand.
You expect chairs in heaven? Think it is obvious that this a metaphor.
Of course there is this great big chair and white haired old man, so large
that millions / billions can see it at one time. Sitting in a equally large
chair at his right is this black bearded Jew called Jesus.
What's wrong with you?
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Bill
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| User: "Terrell D Lewis" |
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16 Jun 2005 09:46:14 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:36:30 GMT, William McHale
<mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote:
In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Truth Hunter <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jesus and God separate existence?
Do you expect Jesus and his father to exist as separate entities in
heaven? References to Jesus 'sitting at God's right hand' seem to
suggest that they will, but it's a hard thing to understand.
You expect chairs in heaven? Think it is obvious that this a metaphor.
Even metaphorically, it denotes some seperation, sitting on the right
hand of a king denoted some favor, but the person was still
subservient. And in the Revelation (which is entirely metaphoric),
Jesus is said to return the rulership of the earth to the Father after
the Millinium.
Jesus is also called in scripture "only begotten" ("begot" meaning
"born") and "firstborn," indicating a beginning of His existance. --
specifically, that He was the first created being, and then
participated in the creation of all other things.
I don't buy the Jehovah's Witnesses contention that He was Michael,
but the Trinity Doctrine was borrowed from pagan religions who have
many trinities. God is described in Scripture as One and as "seven"
(seven being a metaphor for "infinite").
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.lastofall.com
http://lastofall.blogspot.com/
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| User: "William McHale" |
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17 Jun 2005 05:30:37 PM |
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In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Terrell D Lewis <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:36:30 GMT, William McHale
<mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote:
In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Truth Hunter <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jesus and God separate existence?
Do you expect Jesus and his father to exist as separate entities in
heaven? References to Jesus 'sitting at God's right hand' seem to
suggest that they will, but it's a hard thing to understand.
You expect chairs in heaven? Think it is obvious that this a metaphor.
Even metaphorically, it denotes some seperation, sitting on the right
hand of a king denoted some favor, but the person was still
subservient. And in the Revelation (which is entirely metaphoric),
Jesus is said to return the rulership of the earth to the Father after
the Millinium.
I think it depends on how you look at it. The metaphor is not there to
describe the specific relationship between the Father and the Son but
rather to describe the Son's role in relation to the Father. The
Son remains subservient to the Father even if the Son is equal to the
Father.
Jesus is also called in scripture "only begotten" ("begot" meaning
"born") and "firstborn," indicating a beginning of His existance. --
specifically, that He was the first created being, and then
participated in the creation of all other things.
You have to remember that there is the reality of the Son and then the
reality of Son as Jesus. The latter was a fusion of the eternal with
the created.
I don't buy the Jehovah's Witnesses contention that He was Michael,
but the Trinity Doctrine was borrowed from pagan religions who have
many trinities. God is described in Scripture as One and as "seven"
(seven being a metaphor for "infinite").
The Trinity Doctrines of the Pagan Religions I have seen tend to only bear
superficial relationship to the Trinity of God.
--
Bill
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| User: "Terrell D Lewis" |
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17 Jun 2005 06:45:39 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:30:37 GMT, William McHale
<mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote:
I don't buy the Jehovah's Witnesses contention that He was Michael,
but the Trinity Doctrine was borrowed from pagan religions who have
many trinities. God is described in Scripture as One and as "seven"
(seven being a metaphor for "infinite").
The Trinity Doctrines of the Pagan Religions I have seen tend to only bear
superficial relationship to the Trinity of God.
Wow a civil conversation on USENET, don't know if my heart can handle
the shock. -- lol
Possibly, but I think a clear progression is there from more primitive
trinities to the Catholic Trinity, adopted by Protestantism, and the
doctrine is still progressing.
I don't think whether one subscribes to a Oneness doctrine or a
Trinitarian doctrine is crucial to salvation anyway, if it were, I
believe it would be more obviously spelled out in Scripture. In the
Old Testament, there was obviously no such concept, but whether the NT
teaches a Trinity or Oneness is (obviously) debatable.
The one thing I have to go back to as a Mystic is what God told me, as
I debated various issues of doctrine with people back when I was on
"eGroups" (now Yahoo Groups). I just kept hearing God tell me that
there will not be a pop quiz on doctrine at the Judgment Seat - that
we will be judged just on what Jesus said, Did I feed the hungry, did
I visit the sick, did I cloth the naked?
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.lastofall.com
http://lastofall.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Apostle Keith Williams" |
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17 Jun 2005 07:49:43 PM |
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Brethren, we don't have to speculate. God and His Son Jesus Christ
are two like you and I are two,
and They have made appearances to people throughout the years ever since the
first century AD, even until
our days, like in the Book of Acts. God is a now God, and Jesus Christ
appeared to and talked with even me.
We don't have to speculate. You who haven't seen Him yet can ask the Holy
Spirit.
Apostle Keith Williams.
"Terrell D Lewis" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:30:37 GMT, William McHale
<mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote:
I don't buy the Jehovah's Witnesses contention that He was Michael,
but the Trinity Doctrine was borrowed from pagan religions who have
many trinities. God is described in Scripture as One and as "seven"
(seven being a metaphor for "infinite").
The Trinity Doctrines of the Pagan Religions I have seen tend to only
bear
superficial relationship to the Trinity of God.
Wow a civil conversation on USENET, don't know if my heart can handle
the shock. -- lol
Possibly, but I think a clear progression is there from more primitive
trinities to the Catholic Trinity, adopted by Protestantism, and the
doctrine is still progressing.
I don't think whether one subscribes to a Oneness doctrine or a
Trinitarian doctrine is crucial to salvation anyway, if it were, I
believe it would be more obviously spelled out in Scripture. In the
Old Testament, there was obviously no such concept, but whether the NT
teaches a Trinity or Oneness is (obviously) debatable.
The one thing I have to go back to as a Mystic is what God told me, as
I debated various issues of doctrine with people back when I was on
"eGroups" (now Yahoo Groups). I just kept hearing God tell me that
there will not be a pop quiz on doctrine at the Judgment Seat - that
we will be judged just on what Jesus said, Did I feed the hungry, did
I visit the sick, did I cloth the naked?
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.lastofall.com
http://lastofall.blogspot.com/
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17 Jun 2005 09:36:13 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:49:43 -0400, "Apostle Keith Williams"
<apostlekeithwilliams@juno.com> wrote:
God and His Son Jesus Christ
are two like you and I are two,
and They have made appearances to people throughout the years ever since the
first century AD, even until
our days, like in the Book of Acts. God is a now God, and Jesus Christ
appeared to and talked with even me.
We don't have to speculate. You who haven't seen Him yet can ask the Holy
Spirit.
Seeing them is not an issue. I have heard their voices and have seen
them. Well, I have seen Jesus, of the Father, I have only seen the
Throne where I was permitted a question and that He answered.
The first time I saw Jesus, I was praying before heading for a
Wednesday night service. Suddenly, there was a large group of people
obviously in difficulty, sick and so forth, and they were all blaming
God for their troubles, saying, "Why? Why?" Then Jesus appeared. He
was dressed as Arabs do today, with a blue headscarf, dark skin and
eyes that seemed like they could see right through me. He was
standing beside a large flat rock. Then he said, "Why? I have given
you the power and authority, why?" At that moment, I became aware but
did not see, that there were a large number of people behind me.
The Throne. I was in a prayer meeting when the leader suggested we
all pray quietly in a prostrate position, as we prayed, I looked up
and the Throne appeared in front of me, I knew more than saw that
someone was sitting on it and I stood up to face it. I was impressed
to ask a question. At the time it concerned me that the church was to
isolated and I asked, "How do we get what the church has out into the
world." At which point, I was literally pushed to my knees, and my
head was pushed to the floor between my knees - similar to the
description of how Elijah prayed for rain.
There have been other times, but that's sufficient for now.
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.lastofall.com
http://lastofall.blogspot.com/
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| User: "William McHale" |
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20 Jun 2005 09:52:56 PM |
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In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Terrell D Lewis <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:30:37 GMT, William McHale
<mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote:
I don't buy the Jehovah's Witnesses contention that He was Michael,
but the Trinity Doctrine was borrowed from pagan religions who have
many trinities. God is described in Scripture as One and as "seven"
(seven being a metaphor for "infinite").
The Trinity Doctrines of the Pagan Religions I have seen tend to only bear
superficial relationship to the Trinity of God.
Wow a civil conversation on USENET, don't know if my heart can handle
the shock. -- lol
Possibly, but I think a clear progression is there from more primitive
trinities to the Catholic Trinity, adopted by Protestantism, and the
doctrine is still progressing.
Maybe, but I don't think it has changed all that much in the last thousand
years or so. There is not much that the Catholic Church or the Protestant
churches teach about the Trinity now that can't be found within the
Nicean Creed and in the writings of Aquinas, Augustine, Abelard, Eckhert and
others.
I don't think whether one subscribes to a Oneness doctrine or a
Trinitarian doctrine is crucial to salvation anyway, if it were, I
believe it would be more obviously spelled out in Scripture. In the
Old Testament, there was obviously no such concept, but whether the NT
teaches a Trinity or Oneness is (obviously) debatable.
The one thing I have to go back to as a Mystic is what God told me, as
I debated various issues of doctrine with people back when I was on
"eGroups" (now Yahoo Groups). I just kept hearing God tell me that
there will not be a pop quiz on doctrine at the Judgment Seat - that
we will be judged just on what Jesus said, Did I feed the hungry, did
I visit the sick, did I cloth the naked?
I think that is probably wiser words than many. So many of us have gotten
so worried about little points of belief that we forgot that the two
commandments that Jesus gave us were to Love God and to Love our brothers.
I think it ultimately comes down to the fact that how can we fulfill either
commandment without fulfilling both.
--
Bill
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20 Jun 2005 10:33:06 PM |
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"William McHale" <mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote in message
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In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Terrell D Lewis
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:30:37 GMT, William McHale
<mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote:
The one thing I have to go back to as a Mystic is what God told me, as
I debated various issues of doctrine with people back when I was on
"eGroups" (now Yahoo Groups). I just kept hearing God tell me that
there will not be a pop quiz on doctrine at the Judgment Seat - that
we will be judged just on what Jesus said, Did I feed the hungry, did
I visit the sick, did I cloth the naked?
I think that is probably wiser words than many. So many of us have gotten
so worried about little points of belief that we forgot that the two
commandments that Jesus gave us were to Love God and to Love our brothers.
I think it ultimately comes down to the fact that how can we fulfill
either
commandment without fulfilling both.
--
Bill
I don't think you can, a genuine love of God will express itself in love for
neighbor.
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Terrell D Lewis
http://www.lastofall.com
http://lastofall.blogspot.com/
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21 Jun 2005 10:36:53 AM |
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In article <CuHte.1624$lv.885@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>, "Terrell D
Lewis" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"William McHale" <mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote in message
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In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Terrell D Lewis
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:30:37 GMT, William McHale
<mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote:
The one thing I have to go back to as a Mystic is what God told me, as
I debated various issues of doctrine with people back when I was on
"eGroups" (now Yahoo Groups). I just kept hearing God tell me that
there will not be a pop quiz on doctrine at the Judgment Seat - that
we will be judged just on what Jesus said, Did I feed the hungry, did
I visit the sick, did I cloth the naked?
I think that is probably wiser words than many. So many of us have gotten
so worried about little points of belief that we forgot that the two
commandments that Jesus gave us were to Love God and to Love our brothers.
I think it ultimately comes down to the fact that how can we fulfill
either
commandment without fulfilling both.
--
Bill
I don't think you can, a genuine love of God will express itself in love for
neighbor.
• Indeed, Terrell. Damn good point.
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Rich. 805.386.3734
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| User: "ۥ R. L. Measures" |
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21 Jun 2005 10:35:37 AM |
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In article <YUGte.14$Ca6.454@news.abs.net>, William McHale
<mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote:
In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Terrell D Lewis
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:30:37 GMT, William McHale
<mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote:
I don't buy the Jehovah's Witnesses contention that He was Michael,
but the Trinity Doctrine was borrowed from pagan religions who have
many trinities. God is described in Scripture as One and as "seven"
(seven being a metaphor for "infinite").
The Trinity Doctrines of the Pagan Religions I have seen tend to only bear
superficial relationship to the Trinity of God.
Wow a civil conversation on USENET, don't know if my heart can handle
the shock. -- lol
Possibly, but I think a clear progression is there from more primitive
trinities to the Catholic Trinity, adopted by Protestantism, and the
doctrine is still progressing.
Maybe, but I don't think it has changed all that much in the last thousand
years or so. There is not much that the Catholic Church or the Protestant
churches teach about the Trinity now that can't be found within the
Nicean Creed and in the writings of Aquinas, Augustine, Abelard, Eckhert and
others.
• Indeed, Bill. The Nicaean Council was the great divide between the
simple teachings of the guy who called himself 'the Son of man' and the
juggernaut that became so powerful that, by 1870, it succeeded in
convincing itself that it was absolutely infallible -- a truly remarkable
feat for an organization that, up until 1830, conducted public executions
of heretics and witches.
Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum. ("How suasive is religion to our bane.")
Lucretius, (96?-55? B.C.):
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Rich. 805.386.3734
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16 Jun 2005 03:47:09 AM |
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On 15 Jun 2005 03:10:58 -0700, "Truth Hunter"
<hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Do you expect Jesus and his father to exist as separate entities in
heaven? References to Jesus 'sitting at God's right hand' seem to
suggest that they will, but it's a hard thing to understand.
If Jesus is god's right hand I expect to find him jerking the big guy
off.
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| User: "georgann" |
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15 Jun 2005 12:20:27 PM |
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Truth Hunter wrote:
Do you expect Jesus and his father to exist as separate entities in
heaven? References to Jesus 'sitting at God's right hand' seem to
suggest that they will, but it's a hard thing to understand.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
No, I don't expect them to be distinctly separate entities in heaven because
of what Jesus said to the disciples. John 14:7 "If you had known Me, you
would have known my Father also; from now on you know Him and have seen
Him."
The operative words are "from now on".
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«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
"As Benjamin Franklin left the State House in Philadelphia
on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'
http://www.boingboing.net/images/Purple-USA.jpg
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
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| User: "Witziges Rätsel" |
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15 Jun 2005 01:06:07 PM |
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Do you expect Jesus and his father to exist as separate entities in
heaven? References to Jesus 'sitting at God's right hand' seem to
suggest that they will, but it's a hard thing to understand.
No, I don't expect them to be distinctly separate entities in heaven
because
of what Jesus said to the disciples. John 14:7 "If you had known Me, you
would have known my Father also; from now on you know Him and have seen
Him."
The operative words are "from now on".
In your bible, "to know" means "to have sex with", right?
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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15 Jun 2005 02:34:07 PM |
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on 15 Jun 2005 in alt.atheism, georgann dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:
Truth Hunter wrote:
Do you expect Jesus and his father to exist as separate entities in
heaven? References to Jesus 'sitting at God's right hand' seem to
suggest that they will, but it's a hard thing to understand.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
No, I don't expect them to be distinctly separate entities in heaven
because of what Jesus said to the disciples. John 14:7 "If you had
known Me, you would have known my Father also; from now on you know
Him and have seen Him."
The operative words are "from now on".
Row row row your boat....
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
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As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| Title: Re: Jesus and God separate existence? |
15 Jun 2005 02:32:50 PM |
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on 15 Jun 2005 in alt.atheism, Truth Hunter dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:
Jesus and God separate existence?
Do you expect Jesus and his father to exist as separate entities in
heaven? References to Jesus 'sitting at God's right hand' seem to
suggest that they will, but it's a hard thing to understand.
There is no evidence to suggest that either exist at all. And that's easy
to understand.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
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As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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