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"Truth Hunter" |
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15 Jan 2004 08:26:08 AM |
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Jesus must have sinned before this |
Jesus must have sinned
1. "John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of
repentance for the remission of sins." Mark 1:4
2. "And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth
of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan." Mark 1:9
3. If Jesus was baptized by John, who was baptizing for the remission
of sins, Jesus was baptized for the remission of his sins.
Therefore, Jesus must have sinned before this.
4. Nowadays Christians baptize in the name Jesus, yet Jesus was
Baptized in the name of God. So WHY switching the practice?
5. If Jesus is a god, how can god retreated to a human (John) to
baptize him in his name?
6. After Jesus baptism, according to the bible, Satan approached him
and tempted Jesus to worship him in return of the earth as a kingdom,
if I recall it correctly. Honestly, are you telling me that Satan
doesn't know God who he met in Heaven, for him to approach Him and try
- only try- to deceive him into as little as the kingdom of earth?
Welcome To What Jews Believe
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| User: "alight" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus must have sinned before this |
15 Jan 2004 07:11:51 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jesus must have sinned
1. "John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of
repentance for the remission of sins." Mark 1:4
2. "And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth
of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan." Mark 1:9
3. If Jesus was baptized by John, who was baptizing for the remission
of sins, Jesus was baptized for the remission of his sins.
Therefore, Jesus must have sinned before this.
4. Nowadays Christians baptize in the name Jesus, yet Jesus was
Baptized in the name of God. So WHY switching the practice?
5. If Jesus is a god, how can god retreated to a human (John) to
baptize him in his name?
6. After Jesus baptism, according to the bible, Satan approached him
and tempted Jesus to worship him in return of the earth as a kingdom,
if I recall it correctly. Honestly, are you telling me that Satan
doesn't know God who he met in Heaven, for him to approach Him and try
- only try- to deceive him into as little as the kingdom of earth?
very good point, for Jesus is the Son of God.
Only a few believe in this, most believe he is God, which is not true.
Welcome To What Jews Believe
http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/
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| User: "Made In America" |
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16 Jan 2004 09:34:26 AM |
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"alight" <sheba7777@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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very good point, for Jesus is the Son of God.
Only a few believe in this, most believe he is God, which is not true.
Matthew 16:19 - And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven:
and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and
whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven
How does Jesus have the Keys?
Mark 6:23 - And he sware unto her, Whatsoever thou shalt ask of me, I will
give it thee, unto the half of my kingdom.
How does he have a kingdom?
John 18:36 - Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom
were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be
delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Where is HIS kingdom?
2 Timothy 4:1 - I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus
Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his
kingdom;
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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15 Jan 2004 09:34:00 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach alight:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0401150626.4c1000bf@posting.google.com...
Jesus must have sinned
1. "John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of
repentance for the remission of sins." Mark 1:4
2. "And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth
of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan." Mark 1:9
3. If Jesus was baptized by John, who was baptizing for the remission
of sins, Jesus was baptized for the remission of his sins.
Therefore, Jesus must have sinned before this.
4. Nowadays Christians baptize in the name Jesus, yet Jesus was
Baptized in the name of God. So WHY switching the practice?
5. If Jesus is a god, how can god retreated to a human (John) to
baptize him in his name?
6. After Jesus baptism, according to the bible, Satan approached him
and tempted Jesus to worship him in return of the earth as a kingdom,
if I recall it correctly. Honestly, are you telling me that Satan
doesn't know God who he met in Heaven, for him to approach Him and try
- only try- to deceive him into as little as the kingdom of earth?
very good point, for Jesus is the Son of God.
Only a few believe in this, most believe he is God, which is not true.
Why?
Other christian sects believe the opposite. Why is your version the
Truth? And not theirs?
This is a "gotcha", a "catch-22", and one of the prime reasons I don't
buy into the nonsense of religion.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart, "There is no God".
The wise man announces it to the world.
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| User: "bob young" |
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16 Jan 2004 12:29:36 AM |
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alight wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0401150626.4c1000bf@posting.google.com...
Jesus must have sinned
1. "John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of
repentance for the remission of sins." Mark 1:4
2. "And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth
of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan." Mark 1:9
3. If Jesus was baptized by John, who was baptizing for the remission
of sins, Jesus was baptized for the remission of his sins.
Therefore, Jesus must have sinned before this.
4. Nowadays Christians baptize in the name Jesus, yet Jesus was
Baptized in the name of God. So WHY switching the practice?
5. If Jesus is a god, how can god retreated to a human (John) to
baptize him in his name?
6. After Jesus baptism, according to the bible, Satan approached him
and tempted Jesus to worship him in return of the earth as a kingdom,
if I recall it correctly. Honestly, are you telling me that Satan
doesn't know God who he met in Heaven, for him to approach Him and try
- only try- to deceive him into as little as the kingdom of earth?
very good point, for Jesus is the Son of God.
Only a few believe in this, most believe he is God, which is not true.
....too bad 'the god' could not show *his* face - wonder why?
Idea, let's tell 'em all that Jesus is his son, that's the next best
thing....! It should keem 'em happy for another thousand years or so!
Grow up
Bob
A Brit. in Hong Kong
All gods are homemade, and it is we who pull their strings, and so, give
them the power to pull ours.
[Aldous Huxley 1894-1963]
Welcome To What Jews Believe
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| User: "JamesL" |
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15 Jan 2004 10:07:13 AM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jesus must have sinned
1. "John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of
repentance for the remission of sins." Mark 1:4
Yes
2. "And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth
of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan." Mark 1:9
Yes
3. If Jesus was baptized by John, who was baptizing for the remission
of sins, Jesus was baptized for the remission of his sins.
No, Jesus was baptized for the remission of mankinds sins.
Therefore, Jesus must have sinned before this.
No, see above.
4. Nowadays Christians baptize in the name Jesus, yet Jesus was
Baptized in the name of God. So WHY switching the practice?
NO, We baptize in the name of Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The
three persona's of one God
5. If Jesus is a god, how can god retreated to a human (John) to
baptize him in his name?
Jesus was the Son of God. John baptized him in the name of his Father.
6. After Jesus baptism, according to the bible, Satan approached him
and tempted Jesus to worship him in return of the earth as a kingdom,
if I recall it correctly. Honestly, are you telling me that Satan
doesn't know God who he met in Heaven, for him to approach Him and try
- only try- to deceive him into as little as the kingdom of earth?
Another one of your High School attempts to postulate a proof. You have
tried this before. You are not good at it. Keep practicing, you might get
better.
James L.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus must have sinned before this |
15 Jan 2004 09:02:33 PM |
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:07:13 GMT, "JamesL"
<forgeddaboudit@spamblock.duh> wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0401150626.4c1000bf@posting.google.com...
Jesus must have sinned
1. "John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of
repentance for the remission of sins." Mark 1:4
Yes
2. "And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth
of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan." Mark 1:9
Yes
3. If Jesus was baptized by John, who was baptizing for the remission
of sins, Jesus was baptized for the remission of his sins.
No, Jesus was baptized for the remission of mankinds sins.
Thus, his suicide was entirely useless.
Therefore, Jesus must have sinned before this.
No, see above.
Yes, do see above.
4. Nowadays Christians baptize in the name Jesus, yet Jesus was
Baptized in the name of God. So WHY switching the practice?
NO, We baptize in the name of Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The
three persona's of one God
True, but it does not proof anything.
5. If Jesus is a god, how can god retreated to a human (John) to
baptize him in his name?
Jesus was the Son of God. John baptized him in the name of his Father.
The father of John?
6. After Jesus baptism, according to the bible, Satan approached him
and tempted Jesus to worship him in return of the earth as a kingdom,
if I recall it correctly. Honestly, are you telling me that Satan
doesn't know God who he met in Heaven, for him to approach Him and try
- only try- to deceive him into as little as the kingdom of earth?
Another one of your High School attempts to postulate a proof.
Unlike your kindergarten attempt to proof nothing at all.
You have
tried this before. You are not good at it. Keep practicing, you might get
better.
Why is it that all you xtians cannot proof a thing? None of you ever
do.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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15 Jan 2004 12:56:08 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach JamesL:
[...]
No, Jesus was baptized for the remission of mankinds sins.
What exactly does the immersion in water do, other than get you wet? I
mean in reality, of course.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart "there is no God".
The wise man says it to the world.
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| User: "dgillesp" |
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15 Jan 2004 08:52:39 PM |
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Vic Sagerquist wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach JamesL:
[...]
No, Jesus was baptized for the remission of mankinds sins.
What exactly does the immersion in water do, other than get you wet? I
mean in reality, of course.
A few answers from The Book:
"For by one Spirit we were all baptized into __one body__--Jews or
Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit." 1
Cor. 12:13
"Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ
for the __forgiveness__ of your sins; and you shall receive the __gift
of the Holy Spirit__." Acts 2:38
"Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus
were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by
baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead...we too
might walk in newness of life." Romans 6:3
"For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there
is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Gal.
3:27-28
methodios
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart "there is no God".
The wise man says it to the world.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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15 Jan 2004 09:31:11 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach dgillesp:
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach JamesL:
[...]
No, Jesus was baptized for the remission of mankinds sins.
What exactly does the immersion in water do, other than get you wet?
I mean in reality, of course.
A few answers from The Book:
"For by one Spirit we were all baptized into __one body__--Jews or
Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit." 1
Cor. 12:13
"Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ
for the __forgiveness__ of your sins; and you shall receive the __gift
of the Holy Spirit__." Acts 2:38
"Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ
Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him
by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead...we
too might walk in newness of life." Romans 6:3
"For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there
is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
Gal. 3:27-28
Sounds magical to me. And all your answers are from the Book. I
specifically asked what *reality* had to do with it.
I would have to assume it could also be related to the practice of
"dunking" witches - back in the Dark Ages. Like the water could decide
between good and evil. (As if witches were actually evil...)
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart, "There is no God".
The wise man announces it to the world.
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| User: "dgillesp" |
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16 Jan 2004 01:04:55 PM |
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Vic Sagerquist wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach dgillesp:
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach JamesL:
[...]
No, Jesus was baptized for the remission of mankinds sins.
What exactly does the immersion in water do, other than get you wet?
I mean in reality, of course.
A few answers from The Book:
"For by one Spirit we were all baptized into __one body__--Jews or
Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit." 1
Cor. 12:13
"Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ
for the __forgiveness__ of your sins; and you shall receive the __gift
of the Holy Spirit__." Acts 2:38
"Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ
Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him
by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead...we
too might walk in newness of life." Romans 6:3
"For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there
is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
Gal. 3:27-28
Sounds magical to me. And all your answers are from the Book. I
specifically asked what *reality* had to do with it.
Not magical, but mystical, yes. However the narrow view of reality
which excludes everything beyond what the five senses are able to
apprehend, analyze, manipulate and utilize will always be stone-blind to
reality's deeper dimensions. Why do intuition, imagination, art, music
and poetry exist? They don't fit very well into the dogmatically
narrow, one-dimensional view of reality either.
I would have to assume it could also be related to the practice of
"dunking" witches - back in the Dark Ages. Like the water could decide
between good and evil. (As if witches were actually evil...)
All things ultimately are related, either distantly or closely, directly
or indirectly, as cause and effect, or by pure accident. You pays your
money and you takes your pick. Shall I assume atheism is also related
to Stalinist atrosities and the murder of 60 million people? But that
would be guilt by association, wouldn't it?
methodios
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart, "There is no God".
The wise man announces it to the world.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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17 Jan 2004 10:31:25 PM |
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:04:55 -0500, dgillesp <dgillesp@pemtel.net>
posted in alt.atheism:
Not magical, but mystical, yes. However the narrow view of reality
which excludes everything beyond what the five senses are able to
apprehend, analyze, manipulate and utilize will always be stone-blind to
reality's deeper dimensions. Why do intuition, imagination, art, music
and poetry exist?
All lying within the 5 senses.
I would have to assume it could also be related to the practice of
"dunking" witches - back in the Dark Ages. Like the water could decide
between good and evil. (As if witches were actually evil...)
All things ultimately are related, either distantly or closely, directly
or indirectly, as cause and effect, or by pure accident. You pays your
money and you takes your pick. Shall I assume atheism is also related
to Stalinist atrosities and the murder of 60 million people?
If you can show how lack of belief is a motivator.
But that would be guilt by association, wouldn't it?
No, it would just be a baseless assertion.
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"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus (2nd century C.E.)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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16 Jan 2004 02:53:47 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach dgillesp:
Sounds magical to me. And all your answers are from the Book. I
specifically asked what *reality* had to do with it.
Not magical, but mystical, yes.
Ooooeeeeooooooooooooooooooo
However the narrow view of reality
which excludes everything beyond what the five senses are able to
apprehend, analyze, manipulate and utilize will always be stone-blind to
reality's deeper dimensions. Why do intuition, imagination, art, music
and poetry exist? They don't fit very well into the dogmatically
narrow, one-dimensional view of reality either.
They, or the results of them, can be sensed. Can't do that with your god.
<snip>
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart "there is no God".
The wise man says it to the world.
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| User: "bob young" |
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17 Jan 2004 05:53:10 AM |
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dgillesp wrote:
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach dgillesp:
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach JamesL:
[...]
No, Jesus was baptized for the remission of mankinds sins.
What exactly does the immersion in water do, other than get you wet?
I mean in reality, of course.
A few answers from The Book:
"For by one Spirit we were all baptized into __one body__--Jews or
Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit." 1
Cor. 12:13
"Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ
for the __forgiveness__ of your sins; and you shall receive the __gift
of the Holy Spirit__." Acts 2:38
"Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ
Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him
by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead...we
too might walk in newness of life." Romans 6:3
"For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there
is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
Gal. 3:27-28
Sounds magical to me. And all your answers are from the Book. I
specifically asked what *reality* had to do with it.
Not magical, but mystical, yes. However the narrow view of reality
which excludes everything beyond what the five senses are able to
apprehend, analyze, manipulate and utilize will always be stone-blind to
reality's deeper dimensions. Why do intuition, imagination, art, music
and poetry exist? They don't fit very well into the dogmatically
narrow, one-dimensional view of reality either.
I would have to assume it could also be related to the practice of
"dunking" witches - back in the Dark Ages. Like the water could decide
between good and evil. (As if witches were actually evil...)
All things ultimately are related, either distantly or closely, directly
or indirectly, as cause and effect, or by pure accident. You pays your
money and you takes your pick. Shall I assume atheism is also related
to Stalinist atrosities and the murder of 60 million people? But that
would be guilt by association, wouldn't it?
Not really. Stalin and Mau Tse Tung were revered almost as gods. It is the
old human frailty thing again.
See below.
Bob
hong Kong
"Religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
[Woden]
methodios
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart, "There is no God".
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| User: "bob young" |
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16 Jan 2004 12:25:15 AM |
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Vic Sagerquist wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach dgillesp:
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach JamesL:
[...]
No, Jesus was baptized for the remission of mankinds sins.
What exactly does the immersion in water do, other than get you wet?
I mean in reality, of course.
A few answers from The Book:
"For by one Spirit we were all baptized into __one body__--Jews or
Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit." 1
Cor. 12:13
"Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ
for the __forgiveness__ of your sins; and you shall receive the __gift
of the Holy Spirit__." Acts 2:38
"Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ
Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him
by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead...we
too might walk in newness of life." Romans 6:3
"For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there
is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
Gal. 3:27-28
Sounds magical to me. And all your answers are from the Book. I
specifically asked what *reality* had to do with it.
I would have to assume it could also be related to the practice of
"dunking" witches - back in the Dark Ages. Like the water could decide
between good and evil. (As if witches were actually evil...)
water was very important to early man as without it he perished. It
quenched his thirst, made his crops grow and cleansed his children.
when they dreamed up gods and religion it was a natural development to make
water a prime part of the scam. Afterwards came wine, incence and to keep
everyone pulling together 'chanting'
Bob
A Brit. in Hong Kong
"Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a
dose of common sense."
Chapman Cohen
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Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "dgillesp" |
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16 Jan 2004 01:18:51 PM |
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bob young wrote:
<snip>
"Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a
dose of common sense."
Chapman Cohen
Life itself is a fragile thing; it may be instantly killed by a whiff of
science or a lethal dose of modern technology. What's fragility got to
do with it?
methodios
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| User: "CharliePF1" |
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16 Jan 2004 07:50:11 PM |
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"dgillesp" <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote in message news:4008391B.1DA447DB@pemtel.net...
bob young wrote:
<snip>
"Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a
dose of common sense."
Chapman Cohen
Life itself is a fragile thing; it may be instantly killed by a whiff of
science or a lethal dose of modern technology. What's fragility got to
do with it?
We expect our gods to be mightly, thundering entities with bold,
robust voices, powerful and charismatic personalities. Instead,
we get nothing, not even a mousey little squeak from the Judeo-Christian
God. He won't show up.
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| User: "bob young" |
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17 Jan 2004 05:48:09 AM |
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CharliePF1 wrote:
"dgillesp" <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote in message news:4008391B.1DA447DB@pemtel.net...
bob young wrote:
<snip>
"Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a
dose of common sense."
Chapman Cohen
Life itself is a fragile thing; it may be instantly killed by a whiff of
science or a lethal dose of modern technology. What's fragility got to
do with it?
We expect our gods to be mightly, thundering entities with bold,
robust voices, powerful and charismatic personalities. Instead,
we get nothing, not even a mousey little squeak from the Judeo-Christian
God. He won't show up.
....do *any* gods show up, not on your life!
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| User: "Woden" |
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15 Jan 2004 09:42:24 PM |
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dgillesp <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote in
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Vic Sagerquist wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach JamesL:
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No, Jesus was baptized for the remission of mankinds sins.
What exactly does the immersion in water do, other than get you wet?
I
mean in reality, of course.
A few answers from The Book:
"For by one Spirit we were all baptized into __one body__--Jews or
Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit." 1
Cor. 12:13
"Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ
for the __forgiveness__ of your sins; and you shall receive the __gift
of the Holy Spirit__." Acts 2:38
"Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ
Jesus
were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by
baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead...we too
might walk in newness of life." Romans 6:3
"For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there
is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Gal.
3:27-28
Nice try Dennie, but he asked what it did in reality, not what does an
ancient book of myths say about it.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| Title: Re: Jesus must have sinned before this |
15 Jan 2004 09:05:37 AM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jesus must have sinned
1. "John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of
repentance for the remission of sins." Mark 1:4
Yup
2. "And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth
of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan." Mark 1:9
Yup
3. If Jesus was baptized by John, who was baptizing for the remission
of sins, Jesus was baptized for the remission of his sins.
WRONG. Now lets look at in WHOLE.
Mark 1:
7 And John preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the
latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. 8 I indeed
have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of
Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. 10 And straightway coming up
out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove
descending upon him: 11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art
my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased
Therefore, Jesus must have sinned before this.
No, Jesus was allowing John to do what God told John to do....baptize.
4. Nowadays Christians baptize in the name Jesus, yet Jesus was
Baptized in the name of God. So WHY switching the practice?
There is no switching. There is Jesus. Read the above paragraph.
5. If Jesus is a god, how can god retreated to a human (John) to
baptize him in his name?
Jesus was a human, the SON of God. Read the above paragrap.
6. After Jesus baptism, according to the bible, Satan approached him
and tempted Jesus to worship him in return of the earth as a kingdom,
if I recall it correctly. Honestly, are you telling me that Satan
doesn't know God who he met in Heaven, for him to approach Him and try
- only try- to deceive him into as little as the kingdom of earth?
Mark 1
11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in
whom I am well pleased. 12 And immediately the spirit driveth him into the
wilderness. 13 And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of
Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.
Satan knows God because God CREATED him...he didn't just meet him. Satan
also knew Jesus was comming and since he knew Jesus was God, but also a man,
he tried to work the tempation of men. Since Jesus was on earth and NOT in
heaven, Satan took a shot and Jesus PROVED God right and Satan wrong.
IMHO
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| User: "alight" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus must have sinned before this |
15 Jan 2004 07:18:09 PM |
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"Made In America" <Just@Ask.com> wrote in message
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jesus must have sinned
1. "John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of
repentance for the remission of sins." Mark 1:4
Yup
2. "And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth
of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan." Mark 1:9
Yup
3. If Jesus was baptized by John, who was baptizing for the remission
of sins, Jesus was baptized for the remission of his sins.
WRONG. Now lets look at in WHOLE.
Mark 1:
7 And John preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me,
the
latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. 8 I
indeed
have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy
Ghost.
9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of
Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. 10 And straightway coming up
out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove
descending upon him: 11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou
art
my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased
Therefore, Jesus must have sinned before this.
No, Jesus was allowing John to do what God told John to do....baptize.
4. Nowadays Christians baptize in the name Jesus, yet Jesus was
Baptized in the name of God. So WHY switching the practice?
There is no switching. There is Jesus. Read the above paragraph.
5. If Jesus is a god, how can god retreated to a human (John) to
baptize him in his name?
Jesus was a human, the SON of God. Read the above paragrap.
6. After Jesus baptism, according to the bible, Satan approached him
and tempted Jesus to worship him in return of the earth as a kingdom,
if I recall it correctly. Honestly, are you telling me that Satan
doesn't know God who he met in Heaven, for him to approach Him and try
- only try- to deceive him into as little as the kingdom of earth?
Mark 1
11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in
whom I am well pleased. 12 And immediately the spirit driveth him into the
wilderness. 13 And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of
Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.
Satan knows God because God CREATED him...he didn't just meet him. Satan
also knew Jesus was comming and since he knew Jesus was God, but also a
man,
If is said you are saying the truth then I would be a liar like you, and
what does scripture
say, it doesnt say Satan knew he was God!!!
READ
Matthew 4:3 The tempter came and said to him, "If you are the Son of God,
command these stones to become loaves of bread."
Matthew 4:6 saying to him, "If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down;
for it is written,
'He will command his angels concerning you,'
and 'On their hands they will bear you up,
so that you will not dash your foot against a stone.' "
Satan was tempting him, "if you are THE SON OF GOD"
now stop spreading lies, and talk truth in the name of Jesus Christ!
he tried to work the tempation of men. Since Jesus was on earth and NOT in
heaven, Satan took a shot and Jesus PROVED God right and Satan wrong.
wrong wrong wrong!!!
Jesus was created, read Revelation 3:14.
IMHO
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| User: "Made In America" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus must have sinned before this |
16 Jan 2004 08:59:48 AM |
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"alight" <sheba7777@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Made In America" <Just@Ask.com> wrote in message
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jesus must have sinned
1. "John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of
repentance for the remission of sins." Mark 1:4
Yup
2. "And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth
of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan." Mark 1:9
Yup
3. If Jesus was baptized by John, who was baptizing for the remission
of sins, Jesus was baptized for the remission of his sins.
WRONG. Now lets look at in WHOLE.
Mark 1:
7 And John preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me,
the
latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. 8 I
indeed
have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy
Ghost.
9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of
Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. 10 And straightway coming
up
out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove
descending upon him: 11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou
art
my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased
Therefore, Jesus must have sinned before this.
No, Jesus was allowing John to do what God told John to do....baptize.
4. Nowadays Christians baptize in the name Jesus, yet Jesus was
Baptized in the name of God. So WHY switching the practice?
There is no switching. There is Jesus. Read the above paragraph.
5. If Jesus is a god, how can god retreated to a human (John) to
baptize him in his name?
Jesus was a human, the SON of God. Read the above paragrap.
6. After Jesus baptism, according to the bible, Satan approached him
and tempted Jesus to worship him in return of the earth as a kingdom,
if I recall it correctly. Honestly, are you telling me that Satan
doesn't know God who he met in Heaven, for him to approach Him and try
- only try- to deceive him into as little as the kingdom of earth?
Mark 1
11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son,
in
whom I am well pleased. 12 And immediately the spirit driveth him into
the
wilderness. 13 And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of
Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.
Satan knows God because God CREATED him...he didn't just meet him. Satan
also knew Jesus was comming and since he knew Jesus was God, but also a
man,
If is said you are saying the truth then I would be a liar like you, and
what does scripture
say, it doesnt say Satan knew he was God!!!
A LIAR? What a fool for such an accusation. You not recognizing Jesus and
his proper role tells me you are WRONG. Are you saying God did not make
Satan? Or are you saying Satan did not know Jesus was the son of God ?Are
you saying God did not give Jesus the power of Judgement over YOU? Are you
saying you will enter heaven without going through Jesus Christ? What
exactly are you saying I am lying about since you made an accusation?
READ
Matthew 4:3 The tempter came and said to him, "If you are the Son of God,
command these stones to become loaves of bread."
SO, you are saying because Jesus didn't do a parlor trick for Satan, he was
not the Messiah?
Matthew 4:6 saying to him, "If you are the Son of God, throw yourself
down;
for it is written,
'He will command his angels concerning you,'
and 'On their hands they will bear you up,
so that you will not dash your foot against a stone.' "
Satan was tempting him, "if you are THE SON OF GOD"
How many sons of god are there? What is their role? Do you have to recignize
them are the ONLY way to heaven too? Without Jesus Christ, you DO NOT get in
heaven. Period, end of story. GOD placed this role on HIS SON.
now stop spreading lies, and talk truth in the name of Jesus Christ!
Your truth? I still have no idea what your truth IS.
he tried to work the tempation of men. Since Jesus was on earth and NOT
in
heaven, Satan took a shot and Jesus PROVED God right and Satan wrong.
wrong wrong wrong!!!
Jesus was created, read Revelation 3:14.
Where did I say Jesus WAS NOT CREATED? You're an idiot! Maybe if Jesus fell
to his knees and worshipped Satan as Satan requested, that would PROVE he
was the son of GOD. You are a twisted Christian or no Christian at all!
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| User: "alight" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus must have sinned before this |
27 Jan 2004 04:47:31 PM |
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i take it all back, meant for someone else.
"Made In America" <Just@Ask.com> wrote in message
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jesus must have sinned
1. "John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of
repentance for the remission of sins." Mark 1:4
Yup
2. "And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth
of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan." Mark 1:9
Yup
3. If Jesus was baptized by John, who was baptizing for the
remission
of sins, Jesus was baptized for the remission of his sins.
WRONG. Now lets look at in WHOLE.
Mark 1:
7 And John preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after
me,
the
latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. 8 I
indeed
have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy
Ghost.
9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of
Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. 10 And straightway coming
up
out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a
dove
descending upon him: 11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying,
Thou
art
my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased
Therefore, Jesus must have sinned before this.
No, Jesus was allowing John to do what God told John to do....baptize.
4. Nowadays Christians baptize in the name Jesus, yet Jesus was
Baptized in the name of God. So WHY switching the practice?
There is no switching. There is Jesus. Read the above paragraph.
5. If Jesus is a god, how can god retreated to a human (John) to
baptize him in his name?
Jesus was a human, the SON of God. Read the above paragrap.
6. After Jesus baptism, according to the bible, Satan approached him
and tempted Jesus to worship him in return of the earth as a
kingdom,
if I recall it correctly. Honestly, are you telling me that Satan
doesn't know God who he met in Heaven, for him to approach Him and
try
- only try- to deceive him into as little as the kingdom of earth?
Mark 1
11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved
Son,
in
whom I am well pleased. 12 And immediately the spirit driveth him into
the
wilderness. 13 And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted
of
Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto
him.
Satan knows God because God CREATED him...he didn't just meet him.
Satan
also knew Jesus was comming and since he knew Jesus was God, but also
a
man,
If is said you are saying the truth then I would be a liar like you, and
what does scripture
say, it doesnt say Satan knew he was God!!!
A LIAR? What a fool for such an accusation. You not recognizing Jesus and
his proper role tells me you are WRONG. Are you saying God did not make
Satan? Or are you saying Satan did not know Jesus was the son of God ?Are
you saying God did not give Jesus the power of Judgement over YOU? Are you
saying you will enter heaven without going through Jesus Christ? What
exactly are you saying I am lying about since you made an accusation?
READ
Matthew 4:3 The tempter came and said to him, "If you are the Son of
God,
command these stones to become loaves of bread."
SO, you are saying because Jesus didn't do a parlor trick for Satan, he
was
not the Messiah?
Matthew 4:6 saying to him, "If you are the Son of God, throw yourself
down;
for it is written,
'He will command his angels concerning you,'
and 'On their hands they will bear you up,
so that you will not dash your foot against a stone.' "
Satan was tempting him, "if you are THE SON OF GOD"
How many sons of god are there? What is their role? Do you have to
recignize
them are the ONLY way to heaven too? Without Jesus Christ, you DO NOT get
in
heaven. Period, end of story. GOD placed this role on HIS SON.
now stop spreading lies, and talk truth in the name of Jesus Christ!
Your truth? I still have no idea what your truth IS.
he tried to work the tempation of men. Since Jesus was on earth and
NOT
in
heaven, Satan took a shot and Jesus PROVED God right and Satan wrong.
wrong wrong wrong!!!
Jesus was created, read Revelation 3:14.
Where did I say Jesus WAS NOT CREATED? You're an idiot! Maybe if Jesus
fell
to his knees and worshipped Satan as Satan requested, that would PROVE he
was the son of GOD. You are a twisted Christian or no Christian at all!
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus must have sinned before this |
16 Jan 2004 12:11:19 AM |
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Made In America wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0401150626.4c1000bf@posting.google.com...
Jesus must have sinned
1. "John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of
repentance for the remission of sins." Mark 1:4
Yup
2. "And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth
of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan." Mark 1:9
Yup
3. If Jesus was baptized by John, who was baptizing for the remission
of sins, Jesus was baptized for the remission of his sins.
WRONG. Now lets look at in WHOLE.
Mark 1:
7 And John preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the
latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. 8 I indeed
have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of
Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. 10 And straightway coming up
out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove
descending upon him: 11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art
my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased
Therefore, Jesus must have sinned before this.
No, Jesus was allowing John to do what God told John to do....baptize.
If god told John to 'baptise' how come that self same god ain't talking to me
as well. i mean 'with words', just like the bible shows?
4. Nowadays Christians baptize in the name Jesus, yet Jesus was
Baptized in the name of God. So WHY switching the practice?
There is no switching. There is Jesus. Read the above paragraph.
5. If Jesus is a god, how can god retreated to a human (John) to
baptize him in his name?
Jesus was a human, the SON of God. Read the above paragrap.
6. After Jesus baptism, according to the bible, Satan approached him
and tempted Jesus to worship him in return of the earth as a kingdom,
if I recall it correctly. Honestly, are you telling me that Satan
doesn't know God who he met in Heaven, for him to approach Him and try
- only try- to deceive him into as little as the kingdom of earth?
Mark 1
11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in
whom I am well pleased. 12 And immediately the spirit driveth him into the
wilderness. 13 And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of
Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.
Satan knows God because God CREATED him...he didn't just meet him. Satan
also knew Jesus was comming and since he knew Jesus was God, but also a man,
he tried to work the tempation of men. Since Jesus was on earth and NOT in
heaven, Satan took a shot and Jesus PROVED God right and Satan wrong.
IMHO
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16 Jan 2004 09:32:54 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
If god told John to 'baptise' how come that self same god ain't talking to me
as well. i mean 'with words', just like the bible shows?
God doesn't have time for you, He's too busy talking to Pat Robberson.
Mr. Robberson says that the latest thing God has told him is that Bush will be
reelected.
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| User: "Made In America" |
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16 Jan 2004 09:03:15 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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Made In America wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0401150626.4c1000bf@posting.google.com...
Jesus must have sinned
1. "John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of
repentance for the remission of sins." Mark 1:4
Yup
2. "And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth
of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan." Mark 1:9
Yup
3. If Jesus was baptized by John, who was baptizing for the remission
of sins, Jesus was baptized for the remission of his sins.
WRONG. Now lets look at in WHOLE.
Mark 1:
7 And John preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me,
the
latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. 8 I
indeed
have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy
Ghost.
9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of
Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. 10 And straightway coming
up
out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove
descending upon him: 11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou
art
my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased
Therefore, Jesus must have sinned before this.
No, Jesus was allowing John to do what God told John to do....baptize.
If god told John to 'baptise' how come that self same god ain't talking to
me
as well. i mean 'with words', just like the bible shows?
I don't think YOU fall into the category of John....now do you? On the other
hand, if God has a specific role for you and feels the need to talk to you
in verbal words, then I guess he will. He may also continue to use your free
will so YOU DECIDE.
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| User: "dgillesp" |
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16 Jan 2004 08:59:20 AM |
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bob young wrote:
<snip>
If god told John to 'baptise' how come that self same god ain't talking to me
as well. i mean 'with words', just like the bible shows?
Some possible scenarios:
"Now Samuel did not yet know the Lord, and the word of the Lord had not
yet been revealed to him. And the Lord called Samuel again the third
time. And he arose and went to Eli and said, 'Here I am, for you called
me.' Then Eli perceived that the Lord was calling the boy. Therefore
Eli said to Samuel, 'Go, lie down; and if he calls you, you shall say,
'Speak, Lord for thy servant hears.'" 1 Samuel 3:7ff
"And this will come to pass, if you will diligently obey the voice of
the Lord your God." Zechariah 6:15b
"For this people's heart has grown dull, and their ears are heavy of
hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should perceive with
their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart,
and turn for me to heal them." Matthew 13:14-15
methodios
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus must have sinned before this |
15 Jan 2004 12:53:28 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Made In America:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0401150626.4c1000bf@posting.google.com...
Jesus must have sinned
1. "John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of
repentance for the remission of sins." Mark 1:4
Yup
2. "And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth
of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan." Mark 1:9
Yup
3. If Jesus was baptized by John, who was baptizing for the remission
of sins, Jesus was baptized for the remission of his sins.
WRONG. Now lets look at in WHOLE.
Mark 1:
7 And John preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me,
the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. 8
I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the
Holy Ghost. 9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from
Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. 10 And
straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and
the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: 11 And there came a voice
from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased
Therefore, Jesus must have sinned before this.
No, Jesus was allowing John to do what God told John to do....baptize.
4. Nowadays Christians baptize in the name Jesus, yet Jesus was
Baptized in the name of God. So WHY switching the practice?
There is no switching. There is Jesus. Read the above paragraph.
5. If Jesus is a god, how can god retreated to a human (John) to
baptize him in his name?
Jesus was a human, the SON of God. Read the above paragrap.
Yup. Jesus of the bible is the son of god because it says so right here in
the bible.
And Harry Potter is a real wizard, cause it says so in this here Harry
Potter book.
6. After Jesus baptism, according to the bible, Satan approached him
and tempted Jesus to worship him in return of the earth as a kingdom,
if I recall it correctly. Honestly, are you telling me that Satan
doesn't know God who he met in Heaven, for him to approach Him and try
- only try- to deceive him into as little as the kingdom of earth?
Mark 1
11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son,
in whom I am well pleased. 12 And immediately the spirit driveth him
into the wilderness. 13 And he was there in the wilderness forty days,
tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels
ministered unto him.
Satan knows God because God CREATED him...he didn't just meet him. Satan
also knew Jesus was comming and since he knew Jesus was God, but also a
man, he tried to work the tempation of men. Since Jesus was on earth and
NOT in heaven, Satan took a shot and Jesus PROVED God right and Satan
wrong.
Satan, God, Jesus, Holy ghost, Angels... they sure had a big part of the
civilization in the Middle East a few thousand years ago, according to your
"history" book. Nobody sees any of them today - without the men in white
coats coming to get them. Have you ever wondered why? Do you think it's
possible your "history" book is a ***** lie?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart "there is no God".
The wise man says it to the world.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus must have sinned before this |
16 Jan 2004 12:16:05 AM |
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Vic Sagerquist wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Made In America:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0401150626.4c1000bf@posting.google.com...
Jesus must have sinned
1. "John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of
repentance for the remission of sins." Mark 1:4
Yup
2. "And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth
of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan." Mark 1:9
Yup
3. If Jesus was baptized by John, who was baptizing for the remission
of sins, Jesus was baptized for the remission of his sins.
WRONG. Now lets look at in WHOLE.
Mark 1:
7 And John preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me,
the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. 8
I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the
Holy Ghost. 9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from
Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. 10 And
straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and
the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: 11 And there came a voice
from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased
Therefore, Jesus must have sinned before this.
No, Jesus was allowing John to do what God told John to do....baptize.
4. Nowadays Christians baptize in the name Jesus, yet Jesus was
Baptized in the name of God. So WHY switching the practice?
There is no switching. There is Jesus. Read the above paragraph.
5. If Jesus is a god, how can god retreated to a human (John) to
baptize him in his name?
Jesus was a human, the SON of God. Read the above paragrap.
Yup. Jesus of the bible is the son of god because it says so right here in
the bible.
And Harry Potter is a real wizard, cause it says so in this here Harry
Potter book.
6. After Jesus baptism, according to the bible, Satan approached him
and tempted Jesus to worship him in return of the earth as a kingdom,
if I recall it correctly. Honestly, are you telling me that Satan
doesn't know God who he met in Heaven, for him to approach Him and try
- only try- to deceive him into as little as the kingdom of earth?
Mark 1
11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son,
in whom I am well pleased. 12 And immediately the spirit driveth him
into the wilderness. 13 And he was there in the wilderness forty days,
tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels
ministered unto him.
Satan knows God because God CREATED him...he didn't just meet him. Satan
also knew Jesus was comming and since he knew Jesus was God, but also a
man, he tried to work the tempation of men. Since Jesus was on earth and
NOT in heaven, Satan took a shot and Jesus PROVED God right and Satan
wrong.
Satan, God, Jesus, Holy ghost, Angels... they sure had a big part of the
civilization in the Middle East a few thousand years ago, according to your
"history" book. Nobody sees any of them today - without the men in white
coats coming to get them. Have you ever wondered why? Do you think it's
possible your "history" book is a ***** lie?
...and 600 years before that Virgil and other Greek authors told of gods that
spoke to others by the roadside, they even had sex with some of them, the
lucky beleivers! Was this all too much to accept a few thousand years on,
just like it's too much to accept now?
Bob
A Brit in Hong Kong
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart "there is no God".
The wise man says it to the world.
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| User: "Mark Gerard Miller" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus must have sinned before this |
16 Jan 2004 01:30:01 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jesus must have sinned
(snip)
He was human.
Mark
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus must have sinned before this |
15 Jan 2004 09:34:30 AM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jesus must have sinned
One other thing, Heime -
Your web site is not a statement of beliefs - it is a statement of *un*
beliefs. Every point has the word *not* in it.
That's not a profession of faith. So change your web site from
"whatjewsbelieve.org" to "whatjewsdontbelieve.org"
You have no beliefs. If you do, profess them.
Tell the truth. Don't be a Pharisee.
BAM
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| User: "bam" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus must have sinned before this |
15 Jan 2004 09:30:40 AM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0401150626.4c1000bf@posting.google.com...
Jesus must have sinned - blah, blah, blah
Imagine all the hub-bub if Jesus *hadn't* been baptized.
BAM
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