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Jesus NOT UNIQUE |
THE DIVINE MASTERS
Most Christians would agree, and correctly so, that
Jesus Christ was a Divine Master, and a projection of
God into the physical world, God Incarnate.
But there are some very important related facts
that Christians are COMPLETELY IGNORANT of, as are
followers of most other world religions.
First, Jesus Christ was NOT unique, John 3:16
NOTWITHSTANDING. There is ALWAYS at least one such
Divine Master (God Incarnate) PHYSICALLY ALIVE in this
world AT ALL TIMES, a continuous succession THROUGHOUT
HISTORY, both before and after the life of Jesus.
The followers of some of these Divine Masters
founded the world's major religions, usually PERVERTING
the teachings of their Master in the process.
Christians, for example, added THREATS of "ETERNAL
DAMNATION" in Hell, and DELETED the teaching of
REincarnation.
Secondly, and more importantly, after a particular
Divine Master physically dies and leaves this world,
there is NOTHING that He can do for ANYbody except for
the relatively few people that He INITIATED while He was
still PHYSICALLY alive, [ ONLY 120 for Jesus Christ,
according to Acts 1:15.]. THIS IS SIMPLY THE WAY GOD
SET THINGS UP IN THE UNIVERSES.
Therefore, all those Christians who worship Jesus,
and pray to Jesus, and expect Jesus to return and save
them from their sins, have allowed themselves to be
DUPED by a religion that was mostly MANUFACTURED by the
Romans.
And emotional "feelings" are a TOTALLY DECEIVING
indicator for religious validity.
These things are similarly true for followers of
most other major world religions, including Islam.
Thirdly, the primary function of each Divine Master
is to tune His Initiates into the "AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM"
or "SOUND CURRENT", (referred to as "THE WORD" in John
1:1-5, and as "The River of Life" in Revelation 22:1),
and to personally guide each of them thru the upper
levels of Heaven while they are still connected to their
living physical bodies by a "silver cord".
TRUE Salvation, which COMPLETES a Soul's cycles of
REincarnation in the physical and psychic planes, is
achieved only by reaching at least the "SOUL PLANE",
which is five major levels or Universes above the
physical universe, and this canNOT be done without the
help of a PHYSICALLY-Living Divine Master.
One such Divine Master physically alive today is a
Tibetan, Rebazar Tarzs, one of five LIVING Masters for
the "Eckankar" organization, now headquartered near
Minneapolis, (P.O. Box 2000, Chanhassen, MN 55317;
1-800-568-3463; http://www.eckankar.org ).
Another Divine Master is Maharaj Gurinder Singh Ji,
now living in Punjab, India, and is associated with the
Radha Soami "Sant Mat" organization. There are others.
One of the classic books on this subject is the
458+ page book "THE PATH OF THE MASTERS", written in
1939 by Dr. Julian P. Johnson, a theologian and surgeon
who spent the last years of his life in India studying
under and closely observing the Sant Mat Master of that
time, Maharaj Sawan Singh Ji. ( ONLY $3.00 PPD. from
Science of the Soul Study Center, 4115 Gillespie St.,
Fayetteville, NC 28306 )
Several of the Eckankar books, including some
authored by Sri Paul Twitchell, can be found in most
public and university libraries and some book stores, or
obtained thru inter-library loan. The two books
"ECKANKAR--THE KEY TO SECRET WORLDS" and "THE TIGER'S
FANG", both written by Sri Paul Twitchell, are ALSO
CLASSICS.
Many Christians are likely to confuse the Divine
Masters with the "Anti-Christ", which is or was to be a
temporary world dictator during the so-called "last
days". But the Masters don't ever rule, even when asked
or expected to do so as Jesus was.
People who continue following Christianity, Islam,
or other orthodox religions with a physically-DEAD
Master, will CONTINUE on their cycles of REincarnation,
between the Psychic Planes and this MISERABLE physical
world, until they finally accept Initiation from a
PHYSICALLY-LIVING Divine Master.
RE-INCARNATION
The book "HERE AND HEREAFTER", by Ruth Montgomery,
describes several kinds of evidence supporting
REincarnation as a FACT OF LIFE, including
HYPNOTIC REGRESSIONS to past lives [about 50% accurate;
the subconscious mind sometimes makes things up,
especially with a bad hypnotist],
SPONTANEOUS RECALL (especially by young children, some
of whom can identify their most recent previous
relatives, homes, possessions, etc.),
DREAM RECALL of past life experiences,
DEJA VU (familiarity with a far off land while travel-
ing there supposedly for the first time on vacation),
the psychic readings of the late EDGAR CAYCE,
and EVEN SUPPORTING STATEMENTS FROM THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE
including Matthew 17:11-13 KJV (John the Baptist was the
RE-INCARNATION of Elias.) and John 9:1-2 KJV (How can a
person POSSIBLY sin before he is born, unless he LIVED
BEFORE ?!). [ Use the "KING JAMES VERSION". Some later
versions are PER-VERSIONS ! ]
Strong INTERESTS, innate TALENTS, strong PHOBIAS,
etc., typically originate from a person's PAST LIVES.
For example, a strong fear of swimming in or traveling
over water usually results from having DROWNED at the
end of a PREVIOUS LIFE. And sometimes a person will
take AN IMMEDIATE DISLIKE to another person being met
for the first time in THIS life, because of a bad
encounter with him or her during a PREVIOUS INCARNATION.
The teaching of REincarnation also includes the LAW
OF KARMA (Galatians 6:7, Revelation 13:10, KJV). People
would behave much better toward each other if they knew
that their actions in the present will surely be reaped
by them in the future, or in a FUTURE INCARNATION !
PLANES OF EXISTENCE
The physical universe is the LOWEST of at least a
DOZEN major levels of existence. Above the Physical
Plane (Pinda) is the Astral Plane (Anda), the Causal
Plane, the Mental Plane, the Etheric Plane (often
counted as the upper part of the Mental Plane), the Soul
Plane, and several higher Spiritual Planes. The Soul
Plane is the FIRST TRUE HEAVEN, (counting upward from
the Physical). The planes between (but NOT including)
the Physical and Soul Planes are called the Psychic
Planes.
It is likely that ESP, telepathy, astrological
influences, radionic/psionic effects, biological
transmutations [See the 1972 book with that title.], and
other phenomena without an apparent physical origin,
result from INTERACTIONS between the Psychic Planes and
the Physical Plane.
The major planes are also SUB-DIVIDED. For
example, one of the 150 sub-planes of the Astral Plane
is called "Hades", and the Christian Hell occupies a
SMALL part of it, created there LESS THAN 2000 YEARS AGO
by the EARLY CATHOLIC CHURCH by some kind of BLACK MAGIC
or by simply teaching its existence in a THREATENING
manner.
The Christian "Heaven" is located elsewhere on the
Astral Plane. Good Christians will go there for a short
while and then REincarnate back to Earth.
SOUND CURRENT vs. BLIND FAITH
The Christian religion demands of its followers an
extraordinary amount of BLIND FAITH backed up by little
more than GOOD FEELING (which is TOTALLY DECEIVING).
If a person is not HEARING INWARDLY some form of
the "SOUND CURRENT" ("THE WORD", "THE BANI", "THE
SHABDA", "THE AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM"), then his cycles of
REINCARNATION in this MISERABLE world WILL CONTINUE.
The "SOUND CURRENT" manifests differently for
different Initiates, and can sound like ocean waves on
the sea shore, tinkling bells, running water, buzzing
bees, single note of a flute, a rushing wind (as in Acts
2:2 KJV), deep humming sounds, higher pitched buzzing
sounds, many violins, various heavenly music, or other
similar sounds. In Eckankar, Members start hearing it
near the end of their first year as a Member. This and
other experiences (such as "SOUL TRAVEL") REPLACE blind
faith.
ADVANTAGES OF ECKANKAR
Eckankar has several ADVANTAGES over Sant Mat,
including the following:
(1) Eckankar Initiates have the SPECIAL UNIQUE
PRIVILEGE of being able to WORK OFF much of their
negative karma during their DREAM STATES, so it does NOT
disrupt their outer physical lives.
(2) Eckankar requires its members to spend ONLY 20
to 30 MINUTES per day doing Spiritual Contemplation
Exercises. Sant Mat requires two and a half HOURS per
day.
(3) Sant Mat requires a STRICT DAIRY-VEGETARIAN
DIET, and ABSTINENCE from sex except for PROCREATION
within a legal marriage. Eckankar does NOT.
See also http://www.atomworld.org . "ATOM" here
means "Ancient Teachings Of The Masters". Sri Darwin
Gross.
For more information, answers to your questions,
etc., please consult my CITED SOURCES (3 books, 2
addresses, the 800-phone-number, and the web addresses).
Robert E. McElwaine
Eckankar Initiate
http://members.aol.com/rem547 PLUS
http://members.aol.com/rem460
Preserve BOTH on CD-R and PRINT-OUTS
P.S.: PASS IT ON !
"EVERYTHING you know is WRONG."
"The Truth IS stranger than fiction."
"The Truth is ALWAYS the FIRST CASUALTY OF WAR."
"OFFICIAL LIES are ALWAYS the BIGGEST LIES OF ALL."
"The more things change, the more they STAY THE SAME."
.
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| User: "Dore" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus NOT UNIQUE |
09 Nov 2005 12:24:18 AM |
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<rem460@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1131487510.213512.164850@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
THE DIVINE MASTERS
First, Jesus Christ was NOT unique, John 3:16
NOTWITHSTANDING. There is ALWAYS at least one such
Divine Master (God Incarnate) PHYSICALLY ALIVE in this
world AT ALL TIMES, a continuous succession THROUGHOUT
HISTORY, both before and after the life of Jesus.
No, there are not. God does NOT incarnate Himself through ANY other
self-proclaimed Divine Master. That is just one of the many lies of the
newage movement.
cont
The followers of some of these Divine Masters
founded the world's major religions, usually PERVERTING
the teachings of their Master in the process.
Christians, for example, added THREATS of "ETERNAL
DAMNATION" in Hell, and DELETED the teaching of
REincarnation.
Although reincarnation is a fact, souls, who sin against God throughout
their lifetimes, without repentance, when they die, do go to hell, to await
their next incarnation on earth. And when the final judgment is complete and
those souls are still in rebellion and sin, will meet "eternal" damnation,
when all opportunity for forgiveness has been exhausted.
cont
Secondly, and more importantly, after a particular
Divine Master physically dies and leaves this world,
there is NOTHING that He can do for ANYbody except for
the relatively few people that He INITIATED while He was
still PHYSICALLY alive, [ ONLY 120 for Jesus Christ,
according to Acts 1:15.]. THIS IS SIMPLY THE WAY GOD
SET THINGS UP IN THE UNIVERSES.
The reason your false divine masters cannot do anything after they leave
this world is because they are NOT from GOD, but are lies from the devil.
Those who call upon the name of Jesus, will receive responses and
experiences in their own lives according to their prayers.
cont
Therefore, all those Christians who worship Jesus,
and pray to Jesus, and expect Jesus to return and save
them from their sins, have allowed themselves to be
DUPED by a religion that was mostly MANUFACTURED by the
Romans.
The Romans had nothing to do with the testimony, prophecies and works of
Jesus Christ. YOU have been duped by devils, demons and false religion
theology, manufactured by ungodly men.
cont
And emotional "feelings" are a TOTALLY DECEIVING
indicator for religious validity.
Emotions are the reactions of the spirit of men. God is very emotional and
His children will be emotional as well. God is LOVE, which is an emotion, He
gets angry, He is peace, He is joy, happiness, contentment and security etc.
and offers these emotional benefits to His righteous, who are One with Him.
cont
Thirdly, the primary function of each Divine Master
is to tune His Initiates into the "AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM"
or "SOUND CURRENT", (referred to as "THE WORD" in John
1:1-5, and as "The River of Life" in Revelation 22:1),
and to personally guide each of them thru the upper
levels of Heaven while they are still connected to their
living physical bodies by a "silver cord".
No level of heaven is attained until each soul is judged and found worthy,
having built up his treasures to reach their perspective level of heaven,
after they leave this earth. The guide of Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit of
truth, who guides all righteous into all truths, leading them on the
straight and narrow way to heaven. While they are still on the earth, each
righteous soul can attain higher levels of knowledge, wisdom, power,
strength and spiritual gifts from the Holy Spirit while on the earth,
because their souls and spirits dwell in the kingdom of God, while still on
the earth. There is NO silver cord. Their spirits become one with the Spirit
of God.
cont
TRUE Salvation, which COMPLETES a Soul's cycles of
REincarnation in the physical and psychic planes, is
achieved only by reaching at least the "SOUL PLANE",
which is five major levels or Universes above the
physical universe, and this canNOT be done without the
help of a PHYSICALLY-Living Divine Master.
Reincarnation is the benefit of the soul learning, growing and maturing into
the ways of God, but ONLY through the teachings of Jesus Christ and the
power of the Holy Spirit. Their souls retain the knowledge and wisdom, as
well as experiences of previous lives, therefore giving them perspective for
choices in the next incarnation, so that they may choose the correct path to
the ways and will of God. Salvation comes when the soul has obeyed every
word from the mouth of God through the words of Christ, and has achieved
perfection. But even if they are saved, at some previous incarnation, they
may be reincarnated back to the earth to be a guiding force for that
generation. All things are done through the Holy Spirit.
cont
It is likely that ESP, telepathy, astrological
influences, radionic/psionic effects, biological
transmutations [See the 1972 book with that title.], and
other phenomena without an apparent physical origin,
result from INTERACTIONS between the Psychic Planes and
the Physical Plane.
No, it is an interaction with deceiving devils and demons, who provide
information from the spiritual realm.
Everything else snipped because it is nothing but lies and garbage from
ungodly newage nonsense.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
<rem460@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1131487510.213512.164850@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
THE DIVINE MASTERS
Most Christians would agree, and correctly so, that
Jesus Christ was a Divine Master, and a projection of
God into the physical world, God Incarnate.
But there are some very important related facts
that Christians are COMPLETELY IGNORANT of, as are
followers of most other world religions.
First, Jesus Christ was NOT unique, John 3:16
NOTWITHSTANDING. There is ALWAYS at least one such
Divine Master (God Incarnate) PHYSICALLY ALIVE in this
world AT ALL TIMES, a continuous succession THROUGHOUT
HISTORY, both before and after the life of Jesus.
The followers of some of these Divine Masters
founded the world's major religions, usually PERVERTING
the teachings of their Master in the process.
Christians, for example, added THREATS of "ETERNAL
DAMNATION" in Hell, and DELETED the teaching of
REincarnation.
Secondly, and more importantly, after a particular
Divine Master physically dies and leaves this world,
there is NOTHING that He can do for ANYbody except for
the relatively few people that He INITIATED while He was
still PHYSICALLY alive, [ ONLY 120 for Jesus Christ,
according to Acts 1:15.]. THIS IS SIMPLY THE WAY GOD
SET THINGS UP IN THE UNIVERSES.
Therefore, all those Christians who worship Jesus,
and pray to Jesus, and expect Jesus to return and save
them from their sins, have allowed themselves to be
DUPED by a religion that was mostly MANUFACTURED by the
Romans.
And emotional "feelings" are a TOTALLY DECEIVING
indicator for religious validity.
These things are similarly true for followers of
most other major world religions, including Islam.
Thirdly, the primary function of each Divine Master
is to tune His Initiates into the "AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM"
or "SOUND CURRENT", (referred to as "THE WORD" in John
1:1-5, and as "The River of Life" in Revelation 22:1),
and to personally guide each of them thru the upper
levels of Heaven while they are still connected to their
living physical bodies by a "silver cord".
TRUE Salvation, which COMPLETES a Soul's cycles of
REincarnation in the physical and psychic planes, is
achieved only by reaching at least the "SOUL PLANE",
which is five major levels or Universes above the
physical universe, and this canNOT be done without the
help of a PHYSICALLY-Living Divine Master.
One such Divine Master physically alive today is a
Tibetan, Rebazar Tarzs, one of five LIVING Masters for
the "Eckankar" organization, now headquartered near
Minneapolis, (P.O. Box 2000, Chanhassen, MN 55317;
1-800-568-3463; http://www.eckankar.org ).
Another Divine Master is Maharaj Gurinder Singh Ji,
now living in Punjab, India, and is associated with the
Radha Soami "Sant Mat" organization. There are others.
One of the classic books on this subject is the
458+ page book "THE PATH OF THE MASTERS", written in
1939 by Dr. Julian P. Johnson, a theologian and surgeon
who spent the last years of his life in India studying
under and closely observing the Sant Mat Master of that
time, Maharaj Sawan Singh Ji. ( ONLY $3.00 PPD. from
Science of the Soul Study Center, 4115 Gillespie St.,
Fayetteville, NC 28306 )
Several of the Eckankar books, including some
authored by Sri Paul Twitchell, can be found in most
public and university libraries and some book stores, or
obtained thru inter-library loan. The two books
"ECKANKAR--THE KEY TO SECRET WORLDS" and "THE TIGER'S
FANG", both written by Sri Paul Twitchell, are ALSO
CLASSICS.
Many Christians are likely to confuse the Divine
Masters with the "Anti-Christ", which is or was to be a
temporary world dictator during the so-called "last
days". But the Masters don't ever rule, even when asked
or expected to do so as Jesus was.
People who continue following Christianity, Islam,
or other orthodox religions with a physically-DEAD
Master, will CONTINUE on their cycles of REincarnation,
between the Psychic Planes and this MISERABLE physical
world, until they finally accept Initiation from a
PHYSICALLY-LIVING Divine Master.
RE-INCARNATION
The book "HERE AND HEREAFTER", by Ruth Montgomery,
describes several kinds of evidence supporting
REincarnation as a FACT OF LIFE, including
HYPNOTIC REGRESSIONS to past lives [about 50% accurate;
the subconscious mind sometimes makes things up,
especially with a bad hypnotist],
SPONTANEOUS RECALL (especially by young children, some
of whom can identify their most recent previous
relatives, homes, possessions, etc.),
DREAM RECALL of past life experiences,
DEJA VU (familiarity with a far off land while travel-
ing there supposedly for the first time on vacation),
the psychic readings of the late EDGAR CAYCE,
and EVEN SUPPORTING STATEMENTS FROM THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE
including Matthew 17:11-13 KJV (John the Baptist was the
RE-INCARNATION of Elias.) and John 9:1-2 KJV (How can a
person POSSIBLY sin before he is born, unless he LIVED
BEFORE ?!). [ Use the "KING JAMES VERSION". Some later
versions are PER-VERSIONS ! ]
Strong INTERESTS, innate TALENTS, strong PHOBIAS,
etc., typically originate from a person's PAST LIVES.
For example, a strong fear of swimming in or traveling
over water usually results from having DROWNED at the
end of a PREVIOUS LIFE. And sometimes a person will
take AN IMMEDIATE DISLIKE to another person being met
for the first time in THIS life, because of a bad
encounter with him or her during a PREVIOUS INCARNATION.
The teaching of REincarnation also includes the LAW
OF KARMA (Galatians 6:7, Revelation 13:10, KJV). People
would behave much better toward each other if they knew
that their actions in the present will surely be reaped
by them in the future, or in a FUTURE INCARNATION !
PLANES OF EXISTENCE
The physical universe is the LOWEST of at least a
DOZEN major levels of existence. Above the Physical
Plane (Pinda) is the Astral Plane (Anda), the Causal
Plane, the Mental Plane, the Etheric Plane (often
counted as the upper part of the Mental Plane), the Soul
Plane, and several higher Spiritual Planes. The Soul
Plane is the FIRST TRUE HEAVEN, (counting upward from
the Physical). The planes between (but NOT including)
the Physical and Soul Planes are called the Psychic
Planes.
It is likely that ESP, telepathy, astrological
influences, radionic/psionic effects, biological
transmutations [See the 1972 book with that title.], and
other phenomena without an apparent physical origin,
result from INTERACTIONS between the Psychic Planes and
the Physical Plane.
The major planes are also SUB-DIVIDED. For
example, one of the 150 sub-planes of the Astral Plane
is called "Hades", and the Christian Hell occupies a
SMALL part of it, created there LESS THAN 2000 YEARS AGO
by the EARLY CATHOLIC CHURCH by some kind of BLACK MAGIC
or by simply teaching its existence in a THREATENING
manner.
The Christian "Heaven" is located elsewhere on the
Astral Plane. Good Christians will go there for a short
while and then REincarnate back to Earth.
SOUND CURRENT vs. BLIND FAITH
The Christian religion demands of its followers an
extraordinary amount of BLIND FAITH backed up by little
more than GOOD FEELING (which is TOTALLY DECEIVING).
If a person is not HEARING INWARDLY some form of
the "SOUND CURRENT" ("THE WORD", "THE BANI", "THE
SHABDA", "THE AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM"), then his cycles of
REINCARNATION in this MISERABLE world WILL CONTINUE.
The "SOUND CURRENT" manifests differently for
different Initiates, and can sound like ocean waves on
the sea shore, tinkling bells, running water, buzzing
bees, single note of a flute, a rushing wind (as in Acts
2:2 KJV), deep humming sounds, higher pitched buzzing
sounds, many violins, various heavenly music, or other
similar sounds. In Eckankar, Members start hearing it
near the end of their first year as a Member. This and
other experiences (such as "SOUL TRAVEL") REPLACE blind
faith.
ADVANTAGES OF ECKANKAR
Eckankar has several ADVANTAGES over Sant Mat,
including the following:
(1) Eckankar Initiates have the SPECIAL UNIQUE
PRIVILEGE of being able to WORK OFF much of their
negative karma during their DREAM STATES, so it does NOT
disrupt their outer physical lives.
(2) Eckankar requires its members to spend ONLY 20
to 30 MINUTES per day doing Spiritual Contemplation
Exercises. Sant Mat requires two and a half HOURS per
day.
(3) Sant Mat requires a STRICT DAIRY-VEGETARIAN
DIET, and ABSTINENCE from sex except for PROCREATION
within a legal marriage. Eckankar does NOT.
See also http://www.atomworld.org . "ATOM" here
means "Ancient Teachings Of The Masters". Sri Darwin
Gross.
For more information, answers to your questions,
etc., please consult my CITED SOURCES (3 books, 2
addresses, the 800-phone-number, and the web addresses).
Robert E. McElwaine
Eckankar Initiate
http://members.aol.com/rem547 PLUS
http://members.aol.com/rem460
Preserve BOTH on CD-R and PRINT-OUTS
P.S.: PASS IT ON !
"EVERYTHING you know is WRONG."
"The Truth IS stranger than fiction."
"The Truth is ALWAYS the FIRST CASUALTY OF WAR."
"OFFICIAL LIES are ALWAYS the BIGGEST LIES OF ALL."
"The more things change, the more they STAY THE SAME."
.
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| Title: Re: Jesus NOT UNIQUE |
09 Nov 2005 04:19:01 PM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message news:Skbcf.16994
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No, there are not. God does NOT incarnate Himself through ANY other
self-proclaimed Divine Master. That is just one of the many lies of the
newage movement.
Yeah, right. Thanks, Jesus Part Deux. Now, go take your meds.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus NOT UNIQUE |
09 Nov 2005 02:42:28 AM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Dore
(dorewilliamson@verizon.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
Although reincarnation is a fact,
Then you should have no trouble proving it to those of us who can't just
take your word for it.
souls,
What's a soul?
who sin against God
throughout their lifetimes, without repentance, when they die, do go
to hell, to await their next incarnation on earth.
Ah, so hell is not eternal, like everyone else says? Are you right?
Why?
And when the final
judgment is complete and those souls are still in rebellion and sin,
will meet "eternal" damnation, when all opportunity for forgiveness
has been exhausted.
Oh, so there's a second chance. Interesting - did you write a new bible
too?
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
----
"The world is only 5-6 thousand years old does not mean the planet
earth is only 5-6 thousand years old. There have been many worlds
created and destroyed on this planet. The creation of the planet is
described in Genesis 1. The creation of the world is described in
Genesis 2. Two different kind of creations." --Eric Brze
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus NOT UNIQUE |
09 Nov 2005 04:19:50 PM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9708BE4F8332Dvicman@216.196.97.136...
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Dore
(dorewilliamson@verizon.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
Although reincarnation is a fact,
Then you should have no trouble proving it to those of us who can't just
take your word for it.
C'mon! Aren't you aware that Dore is Jebus reincarnated? That's what she
claims, anyway ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus NOT UNIQUE |
09 Nov 2005 07:59:10 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Robibnikoff
(witchypoo@broomstick.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9708BE4F8332Dvicman@216.196.97.136...
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Dore
(dorewilliamson@verizon.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
Although reincarnation is a fact,
Then you should have no trouble proving it to those of us who can't
just take your word for it.
C'mon! Aren't you aware that Dore is Jebus reincarnated? That's what
she claims, anyway ;)
Yup. She's the one that barged into Georgann's kitchen, right?
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
----
"The world is only 5-6 thousand years old does not mean the planet
earth is only 5-6 thousand years old. There have been many worlds
created and destroyed on this planet. The creation of the planet is
described in Genesis 1. The creation of the world is described in
Genesis 2. Two different kind of creations." --Eric Brze
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09 Nov 2005 08:48:58 PM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Robibnikoff
(witchypoo@broomstick.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9708BE4F8332Dvicman@216.196.97.136...
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Dore
(dorewilliamson@verizon.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
Although reincarnation is a fact,
Then you should have no trouble proving it to those of us who can't
just take your word for it.
C'mon! Aren't you aware that Dore is Jebus reincarnated? That's what
she claims, anyway ;)
Yup. She's the one that barged into Georgann's kitchen, right?
Oh my. Would have loved to have been a fly on that wall ;)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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10 Nov 2005 12:26:33 AM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
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Yup. She's the one that barged into Georgann's kitchen, right?
Who's Georgann and what happened in her kitchen?
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns970979EEFADE3vicman@216.196.97.136...
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Robibnikoff
(witchypoo@broomstick.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9708BE4F8332Dvicman@216.196.97.136...
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Dore
(dorewilliamson@verizon.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
Although reincarnation is a fact,
Then you should have no trouble proving it to those of us who can't
just take your word for it.
C'mon! Aren't you aware that Dore is Jebus reincarnated? That's what
she claims, anyway ;)
Yup. She's the one that barged into Georgann's kitchen, right?
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
----
"The world is only 5-6 thousand years old does not mean the planet
earth is only 5-6 thousand years old. There have been many worlds
created and destroyed on this planet. The creation of the planet is
described in Genesis 1. The creation of the world is described in
Genesis 2. Two different kind of creations." --Eric Brze
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10 Nov 2005 03:58:02 PM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns970979EEFADE3vicman@216.196.97.136...
Yup. She's the one that barged into Georgann's kitchen, right?
Who's Georgann and what happened in her kitchen?
Strange lady who believes that Jesus visited her in her kitchen. Has
devoted her life to the creation of a diagram which she thinks will prove
the existence of your god. Used to have it on a website until someone
pointed out an error.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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11 Nov 2005 02:00:01 AM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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Strange lady who believes that Jesus visited her in her kitchen. Has
devoted her life to the creation of a diagram which she thinks will prove
the existence of your god. Used to have it on a website until someone
pointed out an error.
Oh, thanks.
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Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns970979EEFADE3vicman@216.196.97.136...
Yup. She's the one that barged into Georgann's kitchen, right?
Who's Georgann and what happened in her kitchen?
Strange lady who believes that Jesus visited her in her kitchen. Has
devoted her life to the creation of a diagram which she thinks will prove
the existence of your god. Used to have it on a website until someone
pointed out an error.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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10 Nov 2005 12:26:34 AM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
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Then you should have no trouble proving it to those of us who can't just
take your word for it.
I don't have to prove anything to anyone. It is truth and if you don't want
to believe me, oh well.
cont
What's a soul?
Your soul is what gives you life. It is your spiritual essence that is
eternal.
cont
cont
Ah, so hell is not eternal, like everyone else says? Are you right?
Why?
Not until the final judgment. Because that is the mercy of God.
cont
Oh, so there's a second chance. Interesting - did you write a new bible
too?
Actually, there are and/or have been numerous chances depending how many
times the Father incarnates each soul. Most souls do not spend more than 50
years in hell and most of them less.
I had a hand in writing the first Bible, don't need another one, it has
always been this way.
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Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9708BE4F8332Dvicman@216.196.97.136...
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Dore
(dorewilliamson@verizon.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
Although reincarnation is a fact,
Then you should have no trouble proving it to those of us who can't just
take your word for it.
souls,
What's a soul?
who sin against God
throughout their lifetimes, without repentance, when they die, do go
to hell, to await their next incarnation on earth.
Ah, so hell is not eternal, like everyone else says? Are you right?
Why?
And when the final
judgment is complete and those souls are still in rebellion and sin,
will meet "eternal" damnation, when all opportunity for forgiveness
has been exhausted.
Oh, so there's a second chance. Interesting - did you write a new bible
too?
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
----
"The world is only 5-6 thousand years old does not mean the planet
earth is only 5-6 thousand years old. There have been many worlds
created and destroyed on this planet. The creation of the planet is
described in Genesis 1. The creation of the world is described in
Genesis 2. Two different kind of creations." --Eric Brze
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10 Nov 2005 03:50:08 PM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9708BE4F8332Dvicman@216.196.97.136...
Then you should have no trouble proving it to those of us who can't just
take your word for it.
I don't have to prove anything to anyone. It is truth and if you don't
want to believe me, oh well.
I guess you'll just have to take my word that I was abuducted by aliens,
there are pixies at the bottom of my garden and that they really are out to
get me.
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11 Nov 2005 02:04:06 AM |
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"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in message
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I guess you'll just have to take my word that I was abuducted by aliens,
there are pixies at the bottom of my garden and that they really are out
to get me.
Except there are no aliens and there are no pixies. Alien abductions are
actually demonic deceptions, and if you do think that pixies are in your
garden, they are demonic deceptions as well, and yes, they ARE out to get
you. But I get the point, you don't believe.
You know, I don't expect you to believe me, but I have to speak the truth
anyway.
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Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in message
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9708BE4F8332Dvicman@216.196.97.136...
Then you should have no trouble proving it to those of us who can't just
take your word for it.
I don't have to prove anything to anyone. It is truth and if you don't
want to believe me, oh well.
I guess you'll just have to take my word that I was abuducted by aliens,
there are pixies at the bottom of my garden and that they really are out
to get me.
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11 Nov 2005 02:09:54 AM |
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"Dore" wrote
: Except there are no aliens and there are no pixies.
Prove it! There's a troll on top of my TV watching over the apartment.
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Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
It is the right and the duty of every person to rationally and skeptically
examine a proposition before accepting it, and if that proposition turns out
to not be supported by logic or evidence, it is the mark of a mature mind to
be able to set it aside and face life as it really is.
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11 Nov 2005 03:08:49 PM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in message
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"Dore" wrote
: Except there are no aliens and there are no pixies.
Prove it! There's a troll on top of my TV watching over the apartment.
Cool! I've got a gargoyle sitting on a bookshelf ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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11 Nov 2005 03:05:37 AM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Bear
(bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
"Dore" wrote
: Except there are no aliens and there are no pixies.
Prove it! There's a troll on top of my TV watching over the apartment.
There's a penguin on mine.
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Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
----
"The world is only 5-6 thousand years old does not mean the planet
earth is only 5-6 thousand years old. There have been many worlds
created and destroyed on this planet. The creation of the planet is
described in Genesis 1. The creation of the world is described in
Genesis 2. Two different kind of creations." --Eric Brze
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10 Nov 2005 11:15:22 PM |
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Op Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:50:08 +0100 schreef kathryn <nospam@here.com>:
"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9708BE4F8332Dvicman@216.196.97.136...
Then you should have no trouble proving it to those of us who can't
just
take your word for it.
I don't have to prove anything to anyone. It is truth and if you don't
want to believe me, oh well.
I guess you'll just have to take my word that I was abuducted by aliens,
there are pixies at the bottom of my garden and that they really are out
to
get me.
Yes, we are! You can run, but you can't hide, we'll find you eventually.
;-)
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aa #2221
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10 Nov 2005 04:00:15 AM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Dore
(dorewilliamson@verizon.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
Actually, there are and/or have been numerous chances depending how
many times the Father incarnates each soul. Most souls do not spend
more than 50 years in hell and most of them less.
They must be very durable. What are they made of?
I had a hand in writing the first Bible, don't need another one, it
has always been this way.
You're very entertaining.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
----
"The world is only 5-6 thousand years old does not mean the planet
earth is only 5-6 thousand years old. There have been many worlds
created and destroyed on this planet. The creation of the planet is
described in Genesis 1. The creation of the world is described in
Genesis 2. Two different kind of creations." --Eric Brze
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11 Nov 2005 02:01:27 AM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
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They must be very durable. What are they made of?
Spirit. The spiritual realm is far greater, is more powerful, more complex,
and has more abilities than anything imaginable on the earth.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9709CB7F2E998vicman@216.196.97.136...
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Dore
(dorewilliamson@verizon.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
Actually, there are and/or have been numerous chances depending how
many times the Father incarnates each soul. Most souls do not spend
more than 50 years in hell and most of them less.
They must be very durable. What are they made of?
I had a hand in writing the first Bible, don't need another one, it
has always been this way.
You're very entertaining.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
----
"The world is only 5-6 thousand years old does not mean the planet
earth is only 5-6 thousand years old. There have been many worlds
created and destroyed on this planet. The creation of the planet is
described in Genesis 1. The creation of the world is described in
Genesis 2. Two different kind of creations." --Eric Brze
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11 Nov 2005 03:04:45 AM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Dore
(dorewilliamson@verizon.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9709CB7F2E998vicman@216.196.97.136...
They must be very durable. What are they made of?
Spirit. The spiritual realm is far greater, is more powerful, more
complex, and has more abilities than anything imaginable on the earth.
Can Superman kill a spirit?
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Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
----
"The world is only 5-6 thousand years old does not mean the planet
earth is only 5-6 thousand years old. There have been many worlds
created and destroyed on this planet. The creation of the planet is
described in Genesis 1. The creation of the world is described in
Genesis 2. Two different kind of creations." --Eric Brze
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wrote:
THE DIVINE MASTERS
Most Christians would agree, and correctly so, that
Jesus Christ was a Divine Master, and a projection of
God into the physical world, God Incarnate.
Did you meet another Christ/Messiah elsewhere?
You are talking about Jesus but we are proclaiming
Jesus the unique CHRIST/MESSIAH.
Perhaps you don't know the meaning of Christ.Messiah.
Therefore,We give you the benefit of doubt.
But there are some very important related facts
that Christians are COMPLETELY IGNORANT of, as are
followers of most other world religions.
First, Jesus Christ was NOT unique, John 3:16
NOTWITHSTANDING. There is ALWAYS at least one such
Divine Master (God Incarnate) PHYSICALLY ALIVE in this
world AT ALL TIMES, a continuous succession THROUGHOUT
HISTORY, both before and after the life of Jesus.
The followers of some of these Divine Masters
founded the world's major religions, usually PERVERTING
the teachings of their Master in the process.
Christians, for example, added THREATS of "ETERNAL
DAMNATION" in Hell, and DELETED the teaching of
REincarnation.
Secondly, and more importantly, after a particular
Divine Master physically dies and leaves this world,
there is NOTHING that He can do for ANYbody except for
the relatively few people that He INITIATED while He was
still PHYSICALLY alive, [ ONLY 120 for Jesus Christ,
according to Acts 1:15.]. THIS IS SIMPLY THE WAY GOD
SET THINGS UP IN THE UNIVERSES.
Therefore, all those Christians who worship Jesus,
and pray to Jesus, and expect Jesus to return and save
them from their sins, have allowed themselves to be
DUPED by a religion that was mostly MANUFACTURED by the
Romans.
And emotional "feelings" are a TOTALLY DECEIVING
indicator for religious validity.
These things are similarly true for followers of
most other major world religions, including Islam.
Thirdly, the primary function of each Divine Master
is to tune His Initiates into the "AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM"
or "SOUND CURRENT", (referred to as "THE WORD" in John
1:1-5, and as "The River of Life" in Revelation 22:1),
and to personally guide each of them thru the upper
levels of Heaven while they are still connected to their
living physical bodies by a "silver cord".
TRUE Salvation, which COMPLETES a Soul's cycles of
REincarnation in the physical and psychic planes, is
achieved only by reaching at least the "SOUL PLANE",
which is five major levels or Universes above the
physical universe, and this canNOT be done without the
help of a PHYSICALLY-Living Divine Master.
One such Divine Master physically alive today is a
Tibetan, Rebazar Tarzs, one of five LIVING Masters for
the "Eckankar" organization, now headquartered near
Minneapolis, (P.O. Box 2000, Chanhassen, MN 55317;
1-800-568-3463; http://www.eckankar.org ).
Another Divine Master is Maharaj Gurinder Singh Ji,
now living in Punjab, India, and is associated with the
Radha Soami "Sant Mat" organization. There are others.
One of the classic books on this subject is the
458+ page book "THE PATH OF THE MASTERS", written in
1939 by Dr. Julian P. Johnson, a theologian and surgeon
who spent the last years of his life in India studying
under and closely observing the Sant Mat Master of that
time, Maharaj Sawan Singh Ji. ( ONLY $3.00 PPD. from
Science of the Soul Study Center, 4115 Gillespie St.,
Fayetteville, NC 28306 )
Several of the Eckankar books, including some
authored by Sri Paul Twitchell, can be found in most
public and university libraries and some book stores, or
obtained thru inter-library loan. The two books
"ECKANKAR--THE KEY TO SECRET WORLDS" and "THE TIGER'S
FANG", both written by Sri Paul Twitchell, are ALSO
CLASSICS.
Many Christians are likely to confuse the Divine
Masters with the "Anti-Christ", which is or was to be a
temporary world dictator during the so-called "last
days". But the Masters don't ever rule, even when asked
or expected to do so as Jesus was.
People who continue following Christianity, Islam,
or other orthodox religions with a physically-DEAD
Master, will CONTINUE on their cycles of REincarnation,
between the Psychic Planes and this MISERABLE physical
world, until they finally accept Initiation from a
PHYSICALLY-LIVING Divine Master.
RE-INCARNATION
The book "HERE AND HEREAFTER", by Ruth Montgomery,
describes several kinds of evidence supporting
REincarnation as a FACT OF LIFE, including
HYPNOTIC REGRESSIONS to past lives [about 50% accurate;
the subconscious mind sometimes makes things up,
especially with a bad hypnotist],
SPONTANEOUS RECALL (especially by young children, some
of whom can identify their most recent previous
relatives, homes, possessions, etc.),
DREAM RECALL of past life experiences,
DEJA VU (familiarity with a far off land while travel-
ing there supposedly for the first time on vacation),
the psychic readings of the late EDGAR CAYCE,
and EVEN SUPPORTING STATEMENTS FROM THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE
including Matthew 17:11-13 KJV (John the Baptist was the
RE-INCARNATION of Elias.) and John 9:1-2 KJV (How can a
person POSSIBLY sin before he is born, unless he LIVED
BEFORE ?!). [ Use the "KING JAMES VERSION". Some later
versions are PER-VERSIONS ! ]
Strong INTERESTS, innate TALENTS, strong PHOBIAS,
etc., typically originate from a person's PAST LIVES.
For example, a strong fear of swimming in or traveling
over water usually results from having DROWNED at the
end of a PREVIOUS LIFE. And sometimes a person will
take AN IMMEDIATE DISLIKE to another person being met
for the first time in THIS life, because of a bad
encounter with him or her during a PREVIOUS INCARNATION.
The teaching of REincarnation also includes the LAW
OF KARMA (Galatians 6:7, Revelation 13:10, KJV). People
would behave much better toward each other if they knew
that their actions in the present will surely be reaped
by them in the future, or in a FUTURE INCARNATION !
PLANES OF EXISTENCE
The physical universe is the LOWEST of at least a
DOZEN major levels of existence. Above the Physical
Plane (Pinda) is the Astral Plane (Anda), the Causal
Plane, the Mental Plane, the Etheric Plane (often
counted as the upper part of the Mental Plane), the Soul
Plane, and several higher Spiritual Planes. The Soul
Plane is the FIRST TRUE HEAVEN, (counting upward from
the Physical). The planes between (but NOT including)
the Physical and Soul Planes are called the Psychic
Planes.
It is likely that ESP, telepathy, astrological
influences, radionic/psionic effects, biological
transmutations [See the 1972 book with that title.], and
other phenomena without an apparent physical origin,
result from INTERACTIONS between the Psychic Planes and
the Physical Plane.
The major planes are also SUB-DIVIDED. For
example, one of the 150 sub-planes of the Astral Plane
is called "Hades", and the Christian Hell occupies a
SMALL part of it, created there LESS THAN 2000 YEARS AGO
by the EARLY CATHOLIC CHURCH by some kind of BLACK MAGIC
or by simply teaching its existence in a THREATENING
manner.
The Christian "Heaven" is located elsewhere on the
Astral Plane. Good Christians will go there for a short
while and then REincarnate back to Earth.
SOUND CURRENT vs. BLIND FAITH
The Christian religion demands of its followers an
extraordinary amount of BLIND FAITH backed up by little
more than GOOD FEELING (which is TOTALLY DECEIVING).
If a person is not HEARING INWARDLY some form of
the "SOUND CURRENT" ("THE WORD", "THE BANI", "THE
SHABDA", "THE AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM"), then his cycles of
REINCARNATION in this MISERABLE world WILL CONTINUE.
The "SOUND CURRENT" manifests differently for
different Initiates, and can sound like ocean waves on
the sea shore, tinkling bells, running water, buzzing
bees, single note of a flute, a rushing wind (as in Acts
2:2 KJV), deep humming sounds, higher pitched buzzing
sounds, many violins, various heavenly music, or other
similar sounds. In Eckankar, Members start hearing it
near the end of their first year as a Member. This and
other experiences (such as "SOUL TRAVEL") REPLACE blind
faith.
ADVANTAGES OF ECKANKAR
Eckankar has several ADVANTAGES over Sant Mat,
including the following:
(1) Eckankar Initiates have the SPECIAL UNIQUE
PRIVILEGE of being able to WORK OFF much of their
negative karma during their DREAM STATES, so it does NOT
disrupt their outer physical lives.
(2) Eckankar requires its members to spend ONLY 20
to 30 MINUTES per day doing Spiritual Contemplation
Exercises. Sant Mat requires two and a half HOURS per
day.
(3) Sant Mat requires a STRICT DAIRY-VEGETARIAN
DIET, and ABSTINENCE from sex except for PROCREATION
within a legal marriage. Eckankar does NOT.
See also http://www.atomworld.org . "ATOM" here
means "Ancient Teachings Of The Masters". Sri Darwin
Gross.
For more information, answers to your questions,
etc., please consult my CITED SOURCES (3 books, 2
addresses, the 800-phone-number, and the web addresses).
Robert E. McElwaine
Eckankar Initiate
http://members.aol.com/rem547 PLUS
http://members.aol.com/rem460
Preserve BOTH on CD-R and PRINT-OUTS
P.S.: PASS IT ON !
"EVERYTHING you know is WRONG."
"The Truth IS stranger than fiction."
"The Truth is ALWAYS the FIRST CASUALTY OF WAR."
"OFFICIAL LIES are ALWAYS the BIGGEST LIES OF ALL."
"The more things change, the more they STAY THE SAME."
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| User: "Scott Richter" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus NOT UNIQUE |
09 Nov 2005 04:39:41 PM |
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<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:
Did you meet another Christ/Messiah elsewhere?
You are talking about Jesus but we are proclaiming
Jesus the unique CHRIST/MESSIAH.
Perhaps you don't know the meaning of Christ.Messiah.
Not clear here: is it "Jesus", "Christ/Messiah", "CHRIST/MESSIAH", or
"Christ.Messiah"? Any good marketing executive will tell you that when
when using product names, it's very important not to confuse customers
by inconsistencies like these.
Therefore,We give you the benefit of doubt.
And what's with the royal "We"?
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus NOT UNIQUE |
09 Nov 2005 01:55:55 PM |
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On 8 Nov 2005 14:05:10 -0800, spake thusly:
THE DIVINE MASTERS
Most Christians would agree, and correctly so, that
Jesus Christ was a Divine Master, and a projection of
God into the physical world, God Incarnate.
But there are some very important related facts
that Christians are COMPLETELY IGNORANT of, as are
followers of most other world religions.
First, Jesus Christ was NOT unique,
A load of crap.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ
http://home.tampabay.rr.com/1stcentury
What shall I render to the Lord
for all His benefits toward me?
I will take up the cup of salvation
and call upon the name of the Lord.
- Psalm 116:12-13
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus NOT UNIQUE |
09 Nov 2005 02:28:28 PM |
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On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 13:55:55 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On 8 Nov 2005 14:05:10 -0800, spake thusly:
THE DIVINE MASTERS
Most Christians would agree, and correctly so, that
Jesus Christ was a Divine Master, and a projection of
God into the physical world, God Incarnate.
But there are some very important related facts
that Christians are COMPLETELY IGNORANT of, as are
followers of most other world religions.
First, Jesus Christ was NOT unique,
A load of crap.
There is nothing wrong to consider Jesus Christ one of the stars in
heaven. There are countless stars in the long night of human
suffering. Jesus is the bright morning star. That's why he is special.
Nevertheless, he is still just a star that is no different from all
the other stars shining in the sky with the light of God.
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| User: "Dore" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus NOT UNIQUE |
10 Nov 2005 12:20:13 AM |
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"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
news:nf14n15d4em59p9ctli3io9r7tepbljo8j@4ax.com...
There is nothing wrong to consider Jesus Christ one of the stars in
heaven. There are countless stars in the long night of human
suffering. Jesus is the bright morning star. That's why he is special.
Nevertheless, he is still just a star that is no different from all
the other stars shining in the sky with the light of God.
Actually, stars is a symbolic term for angels.
Rev 1:20-2:1
20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and
the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven
churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven
churches.
KJV
Christ being the bright morning star is that the fact that He is Michael the
Archangel, which means, " as is God".
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
news:nf14n15d4em59p9ctli3io9r7tepbljo8j@4ax.com...
On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 13:55:55 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On 8 Nov 2005 14:05:10 -0800, spake thusly:
THE DIVINE MASTERS
Most Christians would agree, and correctly so, that
Jesus Christ was a Divine Master, and a projection of
God into the physical world, God Incarnate.
But there are some very important related facts
that Christians are COMPLETELY IGNORANT of, as are
followers of most other world religions.
First, Jesus Christ was NOT unique,
A load of crap.
There is nothing wrong to consider Jesus Christ one of the stars in
heaven. There are countless stars in the long night of human
suffering. Jesus is the bright morning star. That's why he is special.
Nevertheless, he is still just a star that is no different from all
the other stars shining in the sky with the light of God.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus NOT UNIQUE |
10 Nov 2005 03:44:57 PM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:1nwcf.7210$AF6.1940@trndny08...
"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
news:nf14n15d4em59p9ctli3io9r7tepbljo8j@4ax.com...
There is nothing wrong to consider Jesus Christ one of the stars in
heaven. There are countless stars in the long night of human
suffering. Jesus is the bright morning star. That's why he is special.
Nevertheless, he is still just a star that is no different from all
the other stars shining in the sky with the light of God.
Actually, stars is a symbolic term for angels.
Oh my. Kook fight! ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus NOT UNIQUE |
11 Nov 2005 02:53:19 AM |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:44:57 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:1nwcf.7210$AF6.1940@trndny08...
"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
news:nf14n15d4em59p9ctli3io9r7tepbljo8j@4ax.com...
There is nothing wrong to consider Jesus Christ one of the stars in
heaven. There are countless stars in the long night of human
suffering. Jesus is the bright morning star. That's why he is special.
Nevertheless, he is still just a star that is no different from all
the other stars shining in the sky with the light of God.
Actually, stars is a symbolic term for angels.
Oh my. Kook fight! ;)
I love Kook fights! It's like the Special Olympics, and you're
allowed to laugh.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus NOT UNIQUE |
11 Nov 2005 03:25:03 PM |
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"Steve Knight" <wooly@sonic.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:44:57 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:1nwcf.7210$AF6.1940@trndny08...
"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
news:nf14n15d4em59p9ctli3io9r7tepbljo8j@4ax.com...
There is nothing wrong to consider Jesus Christ one of the stars in
heaven. There are countless stars in the long night of human
suffering. Jesus is the bright morning star. That's why he is
special.
Nevertheless, he is still just a star that is no different from all
the other stars shining in the sky with the light of God.
Actually, stars is a symbolic term for angels.
Oh my. Kook fight! ;)
I love Kook fights! It's like the Special Olympics, and you're
allowed to laugh.
LOL! Well put ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus NOT UNIQUE |
15 Nov 2005 02:14:21 PM |
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Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Dore <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
There is nothing wrong to consider Jesus Christ one of the stars in
heaven. There are countless stars in the long night of human
suffering. Jesus is the bright morning star. That's why he is special.
Nevertheless, he is still just a star that is no different from all
the other stars shining in the sky with the light of God.
Actually, stars is a symbolic term for angels.
Oh my. Kook fight! ;)
I actually agree with Dore about something. Imagine that...
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Bear" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus NOT UNIQUE |
10 Nov 2005 12:30:33 AM |
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"Dore" wrote
: Christ being the bright morning star is that the fact that He is Michael
the
: Archangel, which means, " as is God".
Don't you mean Lucifer?
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
It is the right and the duty of every person to rationally and skeptically
examine a proposition before accepting it, and if that proposition turns out
to not be supported by logic or evidence, it is the mark of a mature mind to
be able to set it aside and face life as it really is.
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| User: "Dore" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus NOT UNIQUE |
10 Nov 2005 01:53:52 AM |
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"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in message
news:eoGdnVo5D4YmCe_enZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com...
Don't you mean Lucifer?
No, Lucifer means "light bearer". Why do you think his name got changed to
Satan? Because he no longer brings light, but darkness.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote in message
news:eoGdnVo5D4YmCe_enZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Dore" wrote
: Christ being the bright morning star is that the fact that He is Michael
the
: Archangel, which means, " as is God".
Don't you mean Lucifer?
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
It is the right and the duty of every person to rationally and skeptically
examine a proposition before accepting it, and if that proposition turns
out
to not be supported by logic or evidence, it is the mark of a mature mind
to
be able to set it aside and face life as it really is.
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