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"Truth Hunter" |
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02 Sep 2004 07:38:28 AM |
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Jesus paid our sin debt |
Jesus paid our sin debt
Is there a special checkbook I can keep track of this in?
I am not sure if it's a checking account or a savings account. Since
Jesus saves, it is probably a savings account. ;-)
Seriously, there's a problem with the concept of a debt being paid. It
doesn't appear to be clear to whom the debt was supposed to have been
paid, Satan or God?
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| User: "ChuckPFb" |
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02 Sep 2004 08:35:48 AM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Jesus paid our sin debt
Jesus's dad does NOT forgive sin debt. When it comes to sin, He's
a Scrooge.
Is there a special checkbook I can keep track of this in?
Nope. In order to get your sin debt forgiven, you must also give
10% of your income to a Christian cult, take your pick. You will
use your regular checkbook for making those payments.
Seriously, there's a problem with the concept of a debt being paid. It
doesn't appear to be clear to whom the debt was supposed to have been
paid, Satan or God?
The debt has to be paid you *your* god, the old man, Jahweh!
He holds grudges and doesn't forgive easily unless he can taste or smell
some flesh or blood. It used to be, cattle flesh would do the job. Now it
has to be that of his own "son." Apparently He has become more refined
in his tastes.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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02 Sep 2004 02:04:59 PM |
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ChuckPFb <nospam1@nospam2.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Truth Hunter <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Jesus paid our sin debt
Jesus's dad does NOT forgive sin debt. When it comes to sin, He's
a Scrooge.
Is there a special checkbook I can keep track of this in?
Nope. In order to get your sin debt forgiven, you must also give
10% of your income to a Christian cult, take your pick. You will
use your regular checkbook for making those payments.
Seriously, there's a problem with the concept of a debt being paid. It
doesn't appear to be clear to whom the debt was supposed to have been
paid, Satan or God?
The debt has to be paid you *your* god, the old man, Jahweh!
He holds grudges and doesn't forgive easily unless he can taste or smell
some flesh or blood. It used to be, cattle flesh would do the job. Now it
has to be that of his own "son." Apparently He has become more refined
in his tastes.
He's a flip flopper. First he wanted human sacrifices, then animal
sacrifices, then another human sacrifice, and if a third temple is
ever built, it'll be back to animal sacrifices again...
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://www.eapnews.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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03 Sep 2004 10:25:39 AM |
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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 19:04:59 +0000 in episode
<cfrej0ttsf61ie32fqp5kh06bmm7b0h6cj@4ax.com> we saw our hero Elroy Willis
<elo@airmail.net>:
ChuckPFb <nospam1@nospam2.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Truth Hunter <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Jesus paid our sin debt
Jesus's dad does NOT forgive sin debt. When it comes to sin, He's a
Scrooge.
Is there a special checkbook I can keep track of this in?
Nope. In order to get your sin debt forgiven, you must also give 10% of
your income to a Christian cult, take your pick. You will use your
regular checkbook for making those payments.
Seriously, there's a problem with the concept of a debt being paid. It
doesn't appear to be clear to whom the debt was supposed to have been
paid, Satan or God?
The debt has to be paid you *your* god, the old man, Jahweh! He holds
grudges and doesn't forgive easily unless he can taste or smell some
flesh or blood. It used to be, cattle flesh would do the job. Now it
has to be that of his own "son." Apparently He has become more refined
in his tastes.
He's a flip flopper. First he wanted human sacrifices, then animal
sacrifices, then another human sacrifice, and if a third temple is ever
built, it'll be back to animal sacrifices again...
He was for animal sacrifices before he was against it!
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
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| User: "thomas p" |
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04 Sep 2004 10:53:01 AM |
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On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:25:39 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 19:04:59 +0000 in episode
<cfrej0ttsf61ie32fqp5kh06bmm7b0h6cj@4ax.com> we saw our hero Elroy Willis
<elo@airmail.net>:
ChuckPFb <nospam1@nospam2.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Truth Hunter <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Jesus paid our sin debt
Jesus's dad does NOT forgive sin debt. When it comes to sin, He's a
Scrooge.
Is there a special checkbook I can keep track of this in?
Nope. In order to get your sin debt forgiven, you must also give 10% of
your income to a Christian cult, take your pick. You will use your
regular checkbook for making those payments.
Seriously, there's a problem with the concept of a debt being paid. It
doesn't appear to be clear to whom the debt was supposed to have been
paid, Satan or God?
The debt has to be paid you *your* god, the old man, Jahweh! He holds
grudges and doesn't forgive easily unless he can taste or smell some
flesh or blood. It used to be, cattle flesh would do the job. Now it
has to be that of his own "son." Apparently He has become more refined
in his tastes.
He's a flip flopper. First he wanted human sacrifices, then animal
sacrifices, then another human sacrifice, and if a third temple is ever
built, it'll be back to animal sacrifices again...
He was for animal sacrifices before he was against it!
But he is eternal and never-changing. Don't worry; as soon as you
give up your reason (as Clark obviously has), it will all become
clear.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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04 Sep 2004 10:57:13 AM |
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On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 17:53:01 +0200 in episode
<l6pjj05abpt80ivcpkc8q334i4v8pt9or5@4ax.com> we saw our hero thomas p
<thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk>:
On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:25:39 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 19:04:59 +0000 in episode
<cfrej0ttsf61ie32fqp5kh06bmm7b0h6cj@4ax.com> we saw our hero Elroy Willis
<elo@airmail.net>:
ChuckPFb <nospam1@nospam2.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Truth Hunter <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Jesus paid our sin debt
Jesus's dad does NOT forgive sin debt. When it comes to sin, He's a
Scrooge.
Is there a special checkbook I can keep track of this in?
Nope. In order to get your sin debt forgiven, you must also give 10%
of your income to a Christian cult, take your pick. You will use your
regular checkbook for making those payments.
Seriously, there's a problem with the concept of a debt being paid.
It doesn't appear to be clear to whom the debt was supposed to have
been paid, Satan or God?
The debt has to be paid you *your* god, the old man, Jahweh! He holds
grudges and doesn't forgive easily unless he can taste or smell some
flesh or blood. It used to be, cattle flesh would do the job. Now it
has to be that of his own "son." Apparently He has become more
refined in his tastes.
He's a flip flopper. First he wanted human sacrifices, then animal
sacrifices, then another human sacrifice, and if a third temple is ever
built, it'll be back to animal sacrifices again...
He was for animal sacrifices before he was against it!
But he is eternal and never-changing. Don't worry; as soon as you give up
your reason (as Clark obviously has), it will all become clear.
But... but... to be like Clark, I'd have to hit myself in the head with
big rocks and that *hurts!
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "thomas p" |
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05 Sep 2004 05:10:44 AM |
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On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 10:57:13 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 17:53:01 +0200 in episode
<l6pjj05abpt80ivcpkc8q334i4v8pt9or5@4ax.com> we saw our hero thomas p
<thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk>:
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He was for animal sacrifices before he was against it!
But he is eternal and never-changing. Don't worry; as soon as you give up
your reason (as Clark obviously has), it will all become clear.
But... but... to be like Clark, I'd have to hit myself in the head with
big rocks and that *hurts!
Just think how good it will feel when you stop.
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| User: "kathryn" |
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02 Sep 2004 02:18:12 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0409020438.1825f211@posting.google.com...
Jesus paid our sin debt
Is there a special checkbook I can keep track of this in?
I am not sure if it's a checking account or a savings account. Since
Jesus saves, it is probably a savings account. ;-)
Seriously, there's a problem with the concept of a debt being paid. It
doesn't appear to be clear to whom the debt was supposed to have been
paid, Satan or God?
Jesus saves sinners (and cashes them in for big prizes)
Kathryn
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04 Sep 2004 04:19:53 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0409020438.1825f211@posting.google.com...
l============================================================================l> DIVINE INSANITY> God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own> wrath !>l============================================================================l>================================================================ DIVINE BARBARITYGod ordered Moses to have the first born of little babiesmurdered so that he could save his creation!=========================================================PeterT
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| User: "Midjis" |
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02 Sep 2004 09:13:37 AM |
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(Truth Hunter) wrote:
Seriously, there's a problem with the concept of a debt being paid. It
doesn't appear to be clear to whom the debt was supposed to have been
paid, Satan or God?
Since God created Satan and set him up as the great Adversary then the debt
can only have been owed to God. So God decided what sin was going to be,
created us, designed us to sin, demanded sacrifice from us to pay for the
sin that He had built into our design, then had His own Son killed in order
to pay for the sin that He designed and built into us.
All makes perfect sense now, does it not?
--
Midjis
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| User: "Steve O" |
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02 Sep 2004 09:51:29 AM |
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Midjis wrote:
Since God created Satan and set him up as the great Adversary then
the debt can only have been owed to God. So God decided what sin was
going to be, created us, designed us to sin, demanded sacrifice from
us to pay for the sin that He had built into our design, then had His
own Son killed in order to pay for the sin that He designed and built
into us.
All makes perfect sense now, does it not?
Yeah.. God's a loan shark.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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02 Sep 2004 02:12:53 PM |
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Steve O <stevobo@aol.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Midjis wrote:
Since God created Satan and set him up as the great Adversary then
the debt can only have been owed to God. So God decided what sin was
going to be, created us, designed us to sin, demanded sacrifice from
us to pay for the sin that He had built into our design, then had His
own Son killed in order to pay for the sin that He designed and built
into us.
All makes perfect sense now, does it not?
Yeah.. God's a loan shark.
Churches and temples were the first banks according to some
of the articles I've read.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://www.eapnews.com
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| User: "mclark" |
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02 Sep 2004 08:09:20 PM |
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Steve O <stevobo@aol.com> wrote:
Midjis wrote:
Since God created Satan and set him up as the great Adversary then
the debt can only have been owed to God. So God decided what sin was
going to be, created us, designed us to sin, demanded sacrifice from
us to pay for the sin that He had built into our design, then had His
own Son killed in order to pay for the sin that He designed and built
into us.
All makes perfect sense now, does it not?
Yeah.. God's a loan shark.
When the serpent tempted Eve in the garden of Eden, she could have said
no.
M. Clark
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon" |
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05 Sep 2004 08:34:02 PM |
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(mclark) wrote in
news:1gjhrpn.1600rn914xfizzN%:
Steve O <stevobo@aol.com> wrote:
Midjis wrote:
Since God created Satan and set him up as the great Adversary then
the debt can only have been owed to God. So God decided what sin
was going to be, created us, designed us to sin, demanded sacrifice
from us to pay for the sin that He had built into our design, then
had His own Son killed in order to pay for the sin that He designed
and built into us.
All makes perfect sense now, does it not?
Yeah.. God's a loan shark.
When the serpent tempted Eve in the garden of Eden, she could have
said no.
So what were talking serpents doing loose in this perfect garden?.
Gardener gone AWOL perhaps? Or pehaps the garden was a bit shonky and
not as good as advertised. Would you let your children run around in a
garden with dangerous snakes about?
LK.
M. Clark
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| User: "•R.L.Measures" |
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06 Sep 2004 05:34:50 AM |
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In article <Xns955C8A036D4D7llanzlanllurdiaxorbg@203.97.37.6>, Llanzlan
Klazmon <llanzlan@llurdiaxorb.gov> wrote:
idontreply@toemail.com (mclark) wrote in
news:1gjhrpn.1600rn914xfizzN%idontreply@toemail.com:
Steve O <stevobo@aol.com> wrote:
Midjis wrote:
Since God created Satan and set him up as the great Adversary then
the debt can only have been owed to God. So God decided what sin
was going to be, created us, designed us to sin, demanded sacrifice
from us to pay for the sin that He had built into our design, then
had His own Son killed in order to pay for the sin that He designed
and built into us.
All makes perfect sense now, does it not?
Yeah.. God's a loan shark.
When the serpent tempted Eve in the garden of Eden, she could have
said no.
So what were talking serpents doing loose in this perfect garden?.
Gardener gone AWOL perhaps? Or pehaps the garden was a bit shonky and
not as good as advertised. Would you let your children run around in a
garden with dangerous snakes about?
• Excellent logic. The intrinsic problem with the Garden of Eden story
is that it was human guesswork.
--
€ R.L.Measures, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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| User: "Midjis" |
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03 Sep 2004 02:19:05 AM |
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(mclark) wrote:
When the serpent tempted Eve in the garden of Eden, she could have said
no.
It is, of course, most unlikely that there was a Garden of Eden, an Eve, or
a tempting serpent. Which clearly renders the concept of sin against God
somewhat unreliable - although obviously it does not invalidate the notion
of the existence of God per se.
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Midjis
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| User: "bob young" |
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03 Sep 2004 07:59:08 AM |
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Midjis wrote:
idontreply@toemail.com (mclark) wrote:
When the serpent tempted Eve in the garden of Eden, she could have said
no.
It is, of course, most unlikely that there was a Garden of Eden, an Eve, or
a tempting serpent. Which clearly renders the concept of sin against God
somewhat unreliable - although obviously it does not invalidate the notion
of the existence of God per se
....no...all that needs is a small dose of
.........common sense
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Midjis
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| User: "ChuckPFb" |
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03 Sep 2004 09:05:06 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
Midjis wrote:
....no...all that needs is a small dose of
........common sense
If common sense was available in pill form at local drugstores,
we'd see some big changes around here!
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| User: "•R. Measures" |
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03 Sep 2004 12:32:09 PM |
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In article <mS_Zc.548590$Gx4.296971@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"ChuckPFb" <nospam1@nospam2.com> wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
Midjis wrote:
....no...all that needs is a small dose of
........common sense
If common sense was available in pill form at local drugstores,
we'd see some big changes around here!
• For some, it would take 50cc horse syringe injection of the stuff.
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€ R. Measures, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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03 Sep 2004 10:24:55 AM |
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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 19:09:20 -0600 in episode
<1gjhrpn.1600rn914xfizzN%idontreply@toemail.com> we saw our hero
idontreply@toemail.com (mclark):
Steve O <stevobo@aol.com> wrote:
Midjis wrote:
Since God created Satan and set him up as the great Adversary then the
debt can only have been owed to God. So God decided what sin was
going to be, created us, designed us to sin, demanded sacrifice from
us to pay for the sin that He had built into our design, then had His
own Son killed in order to pay for the sin that He designed and built
into us.
All makes perfect sense now, does it not?
Yeah.. God's a loan shark.
When the serpent tempted Eve in the garden of Eden, she could have said
no.
Why would she? She didn't have, at the time, the "knowledge of good and
evil." So she couldn't have known it was wrong...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "bob young" |
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03 Sep 2004 09:21:31 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 19:09:20 -0600 in episode
<1gjhrpn.1600rn914xfizzN%idontreply@toemail.com> we saw our hero
idontreply@toemail.com (mclark):
Steve O <stevobo@aol.com> wrote:
Midjis wrote:
Since God created Satan and set him up as the great Adversary then the
debt can only have been owed to God. So God decided what sin was
going to be, created us, designed us to sin, demanded sacrifice from
us to pay for the sin that He had built into our design, then had His
own Son killed in order to pay for the sin that He designed and built
into us.
All makes perfect sense now, does it not?
Yeah.. God's a loan shark.
When the serpent tempted Eve in the garden of Eden, she could have said
no.
Why would she? She didn't have, at the time, the "knowledge of good and
evil." So she couldn't have known it was wrong...
.....the writer need not bother, his audience were far too simple in those days
to think that thru.
some still are! Come to think of it!
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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03 Sep 2004 07:25:36 AM |
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On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:09:20 -0600, (mclark)
wrote:
Steve O <stevobo@aol.com> wrote:
Midjis wrote:
Since God created Satan and set him up as the great Adversary then
the debt can only have been owed to God. So God decided what sin was
going to be, created us, designed us to sin, demanded sacrifice from
us to pay for the sin that He had built into our design, then had His
own Son killed in order to pay for the sin that He designed and built
into us.
All makes perfect sense now, does it not?
Yeah.. God's a loan shark.
When the serpent tempted Eve in the garden of Eden, she could have said
no.
Pardon me for interrupting. Am I correct to understand you believe
snakes can talk? (For argument's sake, we exclude GW Scumbag.)
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| User: "bob young" |
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03 Sep 2004 01:09:27 AM |
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mclark wrote:
Steve O <stevobo@aol.com> wrote:
Midjis wrote:
Since God created Satan and set him up as the great Adversary then
the debt can only have been owed to God. So God decided what sin was
going to be, created us, designed us to sin, demanded sacrifice from
us to pay for the sin that He had built into our design, then had His
own Son killed in order to pay for the sin that He designed and built
into us.
All makes perfect sense now, does it not?
Yeah.. God's a loan shark.
When the serpent tempted Eve in the garden of Eden, she could have said
no.
Or ...........'***** off you sex pervert"
M. Clark
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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03 Sep 2004 10:24:24 AM |
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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:13:37 +0000 in episode
<Xns95589AF623775TEMPERANTIALIBERTASE@217.32.252.50> we saw our hero
Midjis < @ . >:
hunter77099@yahoo.com (Truth Hunter) wrote:
Seriously, there's a problem with the concept of a debt being paid. It
doesn't appear to be clear to whom the debt was supposed to have been
paid, Satan or God?
Since God created Satan and set him up as the great Adversary then the
debt can only have been owed to God. So God decided what sin was going to
be, created us, designed us to sin, demanded sacrifice from us to pay for
the sin that He had built into our design, then had His own Son killed in
order to pay for the sin that He designed and built into us.
All makes perfect sense now, does it not?
If you hit yourself on the head with a hammer seven times seventy times...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "jw no" |
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16 Sep 2004 09:36:19 AM |
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Debt is somewhat misleading. We didn't borrow anything from God.
We violated His righteous laws and his holiness. His perfect justice
demanded a penalty for our breaking the law. But, because He is infinitely
holy and pure, his penalty for us would have to be eternal punishment and
separation from Him.
Because God loves us, and did not want to have to execute this penalty
against us, He offered us a plan of salvation whereby His justice could be
satisfied and we could be forgiven. However, the only way that could be
accomplished would be for a sinless substitute to die on our behalf. The
only sinless substitute was God Himself.
Jesus Christ, the eternal God the Son, equal with the Father in every way,
became a sinless man by being born through the miracle of virgin conception.
Because He had no human father, he could inherit a human body without
incurring the sin nature that has been passed on to us from our forefather,
Adam. Because He is the sinless Son of God and Lord, He qualified to pay
for the sins of humanity. And because God is infinite, His death satisfied
God's justice for every sin of every person in all of human history - past,
present, and future.
His resurrection from the dead demonstrates that His sacrifice of His life
satisfied God's justice once and for all. Therefore, He now offers
forgiveness of sins and eternal life as a free gift, the only condition He
places upon us to receive it is to believe on Jesus Christ, and acknowledge
our need of Him to God and invite Him into our lives to be our Lord and
Savior.
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0409020438.1825f211@posting.google.com...
Jesus paid our sin debt
Is there a special checkbook I can keep track of this in?
I am not sure if it's a checking account or a savings account. Since
Jesus saves, it is probably a savings account. ;-)
Seriously, there's a problem with the concept of a debt being paid. It
doesn't appear to be clear to whom the debt was supposed to have been
paid, Satan or God?
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq-tr.html
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"jw" <no spam_j.aemtp@pa0nline.c0m> wrote in message
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His resurrection from the dead demonstrates that His sacrifice of His life
satisfied God's justice once and for all. Therefore, He now offers
forgiveness of sins and eternal life as a free gift, the only condition He
places upon us to receive it is to believe on Jesus Christ, and
acknowledge
our need of Him to God and invite Him into our lives to be our Lord and
Savior.
If He is your Lord and Savior, then you are REQUIRED to DO everything that
He said.
Luke 6:46
46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
KJV
Matt 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the
kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in
heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in
thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many
wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye
that work iniquity.
KJV
1 John 3:2-10
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we
shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for
we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is
pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the
transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no
sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him,
neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is
righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the
beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might
destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in
him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil:
whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not
his brother.
KJV
Luke 13:3
3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
KJV
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Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"jw" <no spam_j.aemtp@pa0nline.c0m> wrote in message
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Debt is somewhat misleading. We didn't borrow anything from God.
We violated His righteous laws and his holiness. His perfect justice
demanded a penalty for our breaking the law. But, because He is
infinitely
holy and pure, his penalty for us would have to be eternal punishment and
separation from Him.
Because God loves us, and did not want to have to execute this penalty
against us, He offered us a plan of salvation whereby His justice could be
satisfied and we could be forgiven. However, the only way that could be
accomplished would be for a sinless substitute to die on our behalf. The
only sinless substitute was God Himself.
Jesus Christ, the eternal God the Son, equal with the Father in every way,
became a sinless man by being born through the miracle of virgin
conception.
Because He had no human father, he could inherit a human body without
incurring the sin nature that has been passed on to us from our
forefather,
Adam. Because He is the sinless Son of God and Lord, He qualified to pay
for the sins of humanity. And because God is infinite, His death satisfied
God's justice for every sin of every person in all of human history -
past,
present, and future.
His resurrection from the dead demonstrates that His sacrifice of His life
satisfied God's justice once and for all. Therefore, He now offers
forgiveness of sins and eternal life as a free gift, the only condition He
places upon us to receive it is to believe on Jesus Christ, and
acknowledge
our need of Him to God and invite Him into our lives to be our Lord and
Savior.
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jesus paid our sin debt
Is there a special checkbook I can keep track of this in?
I am not sure if it's a checking account or a savings account. Since
Jesus saves, it is probably a savings account. ;-)
Seriously, there's a problem with the concept of a debt being paid. It
doesn't appear to be clear to whom the debt was supposed to have been
paid, Satan or God?
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq-tr.html
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17 Sep 2004 07:42:36 AM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"jw" <no spam_j.aemtp@pa0nline.c0m> wrote in message
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His resurrection from the dead demonstrates that His sacrifice of His
life
satisfied God's justice once and for all. Therefore, He now offers
forgiveness of sins and eternal life as a free gift, the only condition
He
places upon us to receive it is to believe on Jesus Christ, and
acknowledge
our need of Him to God and invite Him into our lives to be our Lord and
Savior.
If He is your Lord and Savior, then you are REQUIRED to DO everything that
He said.
Then why don't you?
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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| User: "Clayton May Appear To Be Closer Than He Actually Is" |
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17 Sep 2004 08:35:19 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"jw" <no spam_j.aemtp@pa0nline.c0m> wrote in message
news:gbednX6PmdEVONTcRVn-gg@paonline.com...
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His resurrection from the dead demonstrates that His sacrifice of His
life
satisfied God's justice once and for all. Therefore, He now offers
forgiveness of sins and eternal life as a free gift, the only condition
He
places upon us to receive it is to believe on Jesus Christ, and
acknowledge
our need of Him to God and invite Him into our lives to be our Lord and
Savior.
If He is your Lord and Savior, then you are REQUIRED to DO everything
that
He said.
Then why don't you?
Don't forget...SHE'S Jesus...so she does what ever she wants and still obeys
Jesus!
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17 Sep 2004 09:23:47 PM |
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"Clayton May Appear To Be Closer Than He Actually Is"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"jw" <no spam_j.aemtp@pa0nline.c0m> wrote in message
news:gbednX6PmdEVONTcRVn-gg@paonline.com...
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His resurrection from the dead demonstrates that His sacrifice of His
life
satisfied God's justice once and for all. Therefore, He now offers
forgiveness of sins and eternal life as a free gift, the only
condition
He
places upon us to receive it is to believe on Jesus Christ, and
acknowledge
our need of Him to God and invite Him into our lives to be our Lord
and
Savior.
If He is your Lord and Savior, then you are REQUIRED to DO everything
that
He said.
Then why don't you?
Don't forget...SHE'S Jesus...so she does what ever she wants and still
obeys
Jesus!
She's a freakin' full-blown looney toon. At least, her daughter knows what
to look out for should she ever try to have children of her own.
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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18 Sep 2004 02:41:20 AM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Clayton May Appear To Be Closer Than He Actually Is"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote in message
news:414b9002$0$23895$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:2r04drF14k0u8U1@uni-berlin.de...
"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:OSp2d.5932$VV2.3957@trndny06...
"jw" <no spam_j.aemtp@pa0nline.c0m> wrote in message
news:gbednX6PmdEVONTcRVn-gg@paonline.com...
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His resurrection from the dead demonstrates that His sacrifice of
His
life
satisfied God's justice once and for all. Therefore, He now offers
forgiveness of sins and eternal life as a free gift, the only
condition
He
places upon us to receive it is to believe on Jesus Christ, and
acknowledge
our need of Him to God and invite Him into our lives to be our Lord
and
Savior.
If He is your Lord and Savior, then you are REQUIRED to DO everything
that
He said.
Then why don't you?
Don't forget...SHE'S Jesus...so she does what ever she wants and still
obeys
Jesus!
She's a freakin' full-blown looney toon. At least, her daughter knows what
to look out for should she ever try to have children of her own.
We still haven't worked out if Skypher is her real daughter....just too much
similarity there to be a coincidence!
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| Title: Re: Jesus paid our sin debt --- OH YES!!! HE DID!!!! |
09 Oct 2004 11:17:48 AM |
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Peace All !
His resurrection from the dead demonstrates that His sacrifice of His
life satisfied God's justice once and for all.
--- Good!
Therefore, He now offers forgiveness of sins and eternal
life as a free gift, the only condition He places upon us to
receive it is to believe on Jesus Christ, and
acknowledge our need of Him to God and invite Him into our lives
to be our Lord and Savior.
--- Accepted! I'm entering Heaven!
If He is your Lord and Savior, then you are REQUIRED to DO everything
that He said.
The problem is that Jesus says: "Love your enemies...."
but... those who call themselves Christians cannot get that....
even after 2000 years...
But don't worry, it's ok if you don't understand anything now... you
eventually will... in Hell....
Because what you do is disgrace of Jesus Christ and His sacrifice.
If you have anything to add please e-mail me, I'm always happy to meat
nice people.
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Prince of Darkness,
Legal Executor of Satan
Yuri@
emu86.com
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