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"Hiscoming" |
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08 Apr 2004 06:05:18 PM |
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Jesus refused to save Himself, but died to give us life. |
Mark 15:
30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross.
Jesus chose not to use His power to save Himself.
Matthew 26:
52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all
they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall
presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
Jesus died for us ( human race ) all.
Romans 5:6
For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the
ungodly.
Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners,
Christ died for us.
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| User: "Ph˙ltęr" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus refused to save Himself, but died to give us life. |
09 Apr 2004 06:14:36 AM |
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"Hiscoming" <hiscoming@btopenworld.com> astounded us with:
news:c54lre$f5c$1@titan.btinternet.com:
"Oh woe is Jesus, the world is full of terrible people, what can I do to fix
this?
I know! I'll allow myself to be killed, then they'll be sorry, then, while
they're all crying about me, I'll be brought back to life a few days from
now, that'll fix it".
Who hasn't heard teenagers threaten suicide to curry favour?
--
Ph˙ltęr
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://afjc.clickhalah.com/forum/index.php
Change "freeway" to "hotmail" to respond
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus refused to save Himself, but died to give us life. |
08 Apr 2004 10:58:47 PM |
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"Hiscoming" <hiscoming@btopenworld.com> wrote in
news:c54lre$f5c$1@titan.btinternet.com:
Subject: Jesus refused to save Himself, but died to give us life.
Then he was an idiot. If all of christinanity depended on me, and my being
nailed up and tortured to death was "all that was needed" to save
you...your asses would be on your own.
However...if you want to go that way, I'll sell you the lumber and the
nails. Or the rope.
Buh-bye, punk.
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Dr. Smartass
BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
Q: Why did the chicken cross the Moebius strip?
A: To get to the other...er, um...
[seen on a math jokes site]
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus refused to save Himself, but died to give us life. |
09 Apr 2004 01:32:37 AM |
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"Hiscoming" <hiscoming@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:c54lre$f5c$1@titan.btinternet.com...
Mark 15:
30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross.
Jesus chose not to use His power to save Himself.
But what if YOU could save him? If you could go back in time and
successfully rescue Jesus from the crucifixion, would you do it?
In other words, do you believe your salvation is worth the torture and death
of an innocent person?
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus refused to save Himself, but died to give us life. |
09 Apr 2004 08:23:55 AM |
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In article <c54lre$f5c$1@titan.btinternet.com>, Hiscoming says...
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go tell someone who cares, you spamming fundy boogersnot ;p
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus refused to save Himself, but died to give us life. |
08 Apr 2004 06:15:08 PM |
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In our last episode,
<c54lre$f5c$1@titan.btinternet.com>,
the lovely and talented Hiscoming
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Mark 15:
30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross.
Jesus chose not to use His power to save Himself.
Liar.
--
Rev. Lars Eighner, ULC, Atheist #1965 http://www.io.com/~eighner
"I hope I never get so old I get religious." --Ingmar Bergman
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus refused to save Himself, but died to give us life. |
08 Apr 2004 11:14:13 PM |
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Lars Eighner <eighner@io.com> wrote in
news:slrnc7bn6h.903.eighner@goodwill.io.com:
In our last episode,
<c54lre$f5c$1@titan.btinternet.com>,
the lovely and talented Hiscoming
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Mark 15:
30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross.
Jesus chose not to use His power to save Himself.
Liar.
If I had that sort of power I'd have used it to escape and flatten some
people who needed it. None of this pansy-***** "Oh, woe is me, I'm dying a
slow, agonizing death because I don't have enough backbone to FUCKING STAND
UP TO THE MAN!" *****.
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Dr. Smartass
BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
Q: Why did the chicken cross the Moebius strip?
A: To get to the other...er, um...
[seen on a math jokes site]
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus refused to save Himself, but died to give us life. |
09 Apr 2004 09:16:53 AM |
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 23:05:18 +0000 in episode
<c54lre$f5c$1@titan.btinternet.com> we saw our hero "Hiscoming"
<hiscoming@btopenworld.com>:
Jesus died for us
First, he'd have to exist to have died.
Second, who asked him?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
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| User: "Kronk" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus refused to save Himself, but died to give us life. |
09 Apr 2004 01:13:09 AM |
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On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 23:05:18 +0000 (UTC), "Hiscoming"
<hiscoming@btopenworld.com> wrote:
Mark 15:
30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross.
Jesus chose not to use His power to save Himself.
Then it's a clear case of suicide--which seems odd, because I thought
suicide was supposed to be a sin.
So here are some obvious questions: If some suicide prophet kills
himself to save you from the monster god central to some other
religion, would you feel indebted to him? Would you consider that
proof that the monster god is real? Would you consider his suicide a
good reason to switch religions and worship both the suicide guy *and*
his monster god? If it turned out the suicide guy was actually just a
sock puppet of the monster god, and further that the whole suicide
show was a special-effects fake-up, would you still feel indebtedness
to the sock-puppet?
Actually, nevermind what you would do. What do you think a person
with any sense at all would do?
Kronk
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus refused to save Himself, but died to give us life. |
08 Apr 2004 07:29:58 PM |
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On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 23:05:18 +0000 (UTC), "Hiscoming"
<hiscoming@btopenworld.com> wrote:
Mark 15:
30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross.
Jesus chose not to use His power to save Himself.
Matthew 26:
52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all
they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall
presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
Jesus died for us ( human race ) all.
Romans 5:6
For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the
ungodly.
Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners,
Christ died for us.
As I've said before, a sacrifice is not a sacrifice by definition if
you get back what you supposedly sacrificed. At most, Jesus can be
said to have been temporarily inconvenienced for your sins.
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| User: "georgann" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus refused to save Himself, but died to give us life. |
08 Apr 2004 07:45:40 PM |
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"raven1" wrote:
As I've said before, a sacrifice is not a sacrifice by definition if
you get back what you supposedly sacrificed. At most, Jesus can be
said to have been temporarily inconvenienced for your sins.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you consider being beaten to a bloody pulp a temporary inconvenience as
well?
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus refused to save Himself, but died to give us life. |
09 Apr 2004 10:03:35 AM |
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In article <BC9B6A73.3537B984%chenault@mindspring.com>, georgann says...
"raven1" wrote:
As I've said before, a sacrifice is not a sacrifice by definition if
you get back what you supposedly sacrificed. At most, Jesus can be
said to have been temporarily inconvenienced for your sins.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you consider being beaten to a bloody pulp a temporary inconvenience as
well?
Absolutely. My dad's in constant pain, has been so for well over a year, is now
bedridden and will live out his remaining years in complete and utter misery.
According to your myth, what Jesus went through only lasted a couple of hours.
Big deal.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus refused to save Himself, but died to give us life. |
08 Apr 2004 10:55:08 PM |
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In our last episode,
<BC9B6A73.3537B984%chenault@mindspring.com>,
the lovely and talented georgann
broadcast on alt.atheism:
"raven1" wrote:
As I've said before, a sacrifice is not a sacrifice by definition if
you get back what you supposedly sacrificed. At most, Jesus can be
said to have been temporarily inconvenienced for your sins.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you consider being beaten to a bloody pulp a temporary inconvenience as
well?
Small potatoes compared to what has been done to real people
by by believers in the Jesus fantasy.
--
Rev. Lars Eighner, ULC, Atheist #1965 http://www.io.com/~eighner
"I hope I never get so old I get religious." --Ingmar Bergman
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus refused to save Himself, but died to give us life. |
09 Apr 2004 01:51:53 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:45:40 GMT, a stranger
called by some georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
Do you consider being beaten to a bloody pulp a temporary inconvenience as
well?
Going through months of chemotherapy, three operations, and endless
weeks of vomiting and hair loss was horrible. But it ended. I beat
my cancer, my hair grew back, and I'm back at my pre-cancer level of
health.
That was worse than a day of being beaten. It was, in fact, a
temporary incovenience. I giot better, it took years, but I got
better.
The Jesus myth has him suffering for *one day* and dying. A really
bad day, to be sure, but he got better. Hell, he became God according
to the myth! Compare that to what I, or any cancer patient, endures
just to be human again.
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus refused to save Himself, but died to give us life. |
09 Apr 2004 09:17:27 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:45:40 +0000 in episode
<BC9B6A73.3537B984%chenault@mindspring.com> we saw our hero georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com>:
"raven1" wrote:
As I've said before, a sacrifice is not a sacrifice by definition if you
get back what you supposedly sacrificed. At most, Jesus can be said to
have been temporarily inconvenienced for your sins.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you consider being beaten to a bloody pulp a temporary inconvenience as
well?
When one is a god? Sure. It's utterly trivial.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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09 Apr 2004 01:53:01 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 09 Apr 2004 09:17:27 -0500, a stranger
called by some "Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:45:40 +0000 in episode
<BC9B6A73.3537B984%chenault@mindspring.com> we saw our hero georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com>:
"raven1" wrote:
As I've said before, a sacrifice is not a sacrifice by definition if you
get back what you supposedly sacrificed. At most, Jesus can be said to
have been temporarily inconvenienced for your sins.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you consider being beaten to a bloody pulp a temporary inconvenience as
well?
When one is a god? Sure. It's utterly trivial.
Considering there are myths where gods die and are reborn every year.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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09 Apr 2004 03:31:22 PM |
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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 18:53:01 +0000 in episode
<j7sd70dubd4lqe23aaqo928aoj2er1o6kh@4ax.com> we saw our hero Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>:
Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 09 Apr 2004 09:17:27 -0500, a stranger called
by some "Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> came forth and told this tale
in alt.atheism
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:45:40 +0000 in episode
<BC9B6A73.3537B984%chenault@mindspring.com> we saw our hero georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com>:
"raven1" wrote:
As I've said before, a sacrifice is not a sacrifice by definition if
you get back what you supposedly sacrificed. At most, Jesus can be
said to have been temporarily inconvenienced for your sins.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you consider being beaten to a bloody pulp a temporary inconvenience
as well?
When one is a god? Sure. It's utterly trivial.
Considering there are myths where gods die and are reborn every year.
Sure.
But say this Jeebus guy really was what loony woman says he was. A being
of infinite extent in space and time would be bothered by some small human
body sized part of it being beaten by some puny humans for a brief period
of time?
I mean... well, the analogy of an ant biting an elephant can't even *begin
to match the differential in magnitude...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus refused to save Himself, but died to give us life. |
08 Apr 2004 11:14:44 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:BC9B6A73.3537B984%chenault@mindspring.com:
"raven1" wrote:
As I've said before, a sacrifice is not a sacrifice by definition if
you get back what you supposedly sacrificed. At most, Jesus can be
said to have been temporarily inconvenienced for your sins.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you consider being beaten to a bloody pulp a temporary
inconvenience as well?
He got better. Right?
--
Dr. Smartass
BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
Q: Why did the chicken cross the Moebius strip?
A: To get to the other...er, um...
[seen on a math jokes site]
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| User: "Claytie the Umpire Slayer" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus refused to save Himself, but died to give us life. |
09 Apr 2004 02:23:16 AM |
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"Doc Smartass" <gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94C5ED2F62EE0askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:BC9B6A73.3537B984%chenault@mindspring.com:
"raven1" wrote:
As I've said before, a sacrifice is not a sacrifice by definition if
you get back what you supposedly sacrificed. At most, Jesus can be
said to have been temporarily inconvenienced for your sins.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you consider being beaten to a bloody pulp a temporary
inconvenience as well?
He got better. Right?
Looks like G-twit thinks Mel's movie is a documentary. Can you imagine
her... sitting there watching it, crying and shouting at the screen, until
she gets dragged, out ripping her clothes.
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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08 Apr 2004 08:08:03 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
"raven1" wrote:
As I've said before, a sacrifice is not a sacrifice by definition if
you get back what you supposedly sacrificed. At most, Jesus can be
said to have been temporarily inconvenienced for your sins.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Do you consider being beaten to a bloody pulp a temporary inconvenience as
well?
He got over it and later ascended, whole and healed, into heaven.
That is the very definition of "temporary".
--
L. Raymond
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| User: "TCS" |
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09 Apr 2004 07:59:12 AM |
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On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 23:05:18 +0000 (UTC), Hiscoming <hiscoming@btopenworld.com> wrote:
<babble snipped; nothing left>
Don't you ever wish you had more intelligence than a parrot?
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| User: "Ph˙ltęr" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus refused to save Himself, but died to give us life. |
09 Apr 2004 10:39:01 AM |
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TCS <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> astounded us with:
news:slrnc7d7gv.nak.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.client.comcast.net:
On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 23:05:18 +0000 (UTC), Hiscoming
<hiscoming@btopenworld.com> wrote: <babble snipped; nothing left>
Don't you ever wish you had more intelligence than a parrot?
Heeeey, no 'dissin parrots, they're smarter than christers!
--
Ph˙ltęr
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://afjc.clickhalah.com/forum/index.php
Change "freeway" to "hotmail" to respond
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