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19 Dec 2003 09:17:25 PM |
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Jesus said: HE is not God |
Jesus said of Himself that He was the"SON OF MAN", and God was never a
"MAN", "nor" a "SON OF MAN"
Num 23:19 "God is not a "MAN", that He should lie, "nor" a "SON OF
MAN",
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21 Dec 2003 07:49:49 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0312191917.5f6eae0a@posting.google.com...
Jesus said of Himself that He was the"SON OF MAN", and God was never a
"MAN", "nor" a "SON OF MAN"
Num 23:19 "God is not a "MAN", that He should lie, "nor" a "SON OF
MAN",
amen.
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http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/
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| User: "j.w." |
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20 Dec 2003 06:08:03 AM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0312191917.5f6eae0a@posting.google.com...
Jesus said of Himself that He was the"SON OF MAN", and God was never a
"MAN", "nor" a "SON OF MAN"
The term "Son of Man" means that Jesus was God.
Jesus said in Matthew 12:8 that "the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."
God said in Exodus 16:29 that "the Lord has given you the sabbath," and in
Deuteronomy 5:14 "but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God."
Since these verses indicate that the Sabbath was established by God and His
holy day, then Jesus claimed to be God by calling Himself the Lord of the
Sabbath.
At His trial, Jesus told the High Priest that He is the "Son of Man who sits
at the right hand of power and will come on the clouds of heaven."
In the Old Testament, the prophet Daniel said that the Son of Man "took His
seat with the Ancient of Days and will come on the clouds of heaven to
establish His kingdom on earth." (Daniel 7)
In Psalm 110:1, it is written "The Lord says to my Lord: 'Sit at My right
hand until I make your enemies a footstool for Your feet." Therefore, the
Ancient of Days and Son of Man are ways to refer to God. And "sitting at
the right hand of power" is a phrase that is addressed to God.
Jesus told the High Priest at His trial that He was the Son of Man who sits
at the Right Hand of Power and will come on the clouds of heaven.
Interestingly, in Psalm 110, God is talking to God, thus indicating that
there is more than one individual of the Godhead.
The High Priest understood Jesus' claim to be God, because He condemned
Jesus for blasphemy.
The prophet Daniel said that the Ancient of Days had "hair like wool," that
his throne was ablaze with flames," that thousands upon thousands were
attending Him, and myriads upon myriads were standing before Him;" The
"hair like wool," fits the description of Jesus Christ in Revelation 1:14.
The description of "thousands upon thousands were attending Him, and myriads
upon myriads were standing before Him," fits perfectly with Revelation
5:11-14 in which it describes Jesus receiving the worship of all creation.
In Revelation 5, it is written:
"...and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and the living
creatures and the elders; and the number of them was myriads of myriads, and
thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice, 'Worthy is the Lamb that
was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and
glory and blessing.' And every created thing which is in heaven and on the
earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard
saying, 'To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and
honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.' And the four living
creatures kept saying, "Amen." And the elders fell down and worshiped."
Jesus is called the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. Here,
we read that He sits on the throne of God and receives worship from all the
angels and every living thing.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus said: HE is not God |
20 Dec 2003 02:44:45 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach j.w.:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0312191917.5f6eae0a@posting.google.com...
Jesus said of Himself that He was the"SON OF MAN", and God was never
a "MAN", "nor" a "SON OF MAN"
The term "Son of Man" means that Jesus was God.
To me the term "son of" means "created by". Yeah, that fits.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart, "There is no God".
The wise man announces it to the world.
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| User: "John W" |
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21 Dec 2003 02:57:20 AM |
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x-no-archive:yes
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:08:03 -0500, "j.w."
<no-spam-jaemtp@paonline.com> wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0312191917.5f6eae0a@posting.google.com...
Jesus said of Himself that He was the"SON OF MAN", and God was never a
"MAN", "nor" a "SON OF MAN"
The term "Son of Man" means that Jesus was God.
Jesus said in Matthew 12:8 that "the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."
God said in Exodus 16:29 that "the Lord has given you the sabbath," and in
Deuteronomy 5:14 "but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God."
Since these verses indicate that the Sabbath was established by God and His
holy day, then Jesus claimed to be God by calling Himself the Lord of the
Sabbath.
Very good!
John W
At His trial, Jesus told the High Priest that He is the "Son of Man who sits
at the right hand of power and will come on the clouds of heaven."
In the Old Testament, the prophet Daniel said that the Son of Man "took His
seat with the Ancient of Days and will come on the clouds of heaven to
establish His kingdom on earth." (Daniel 7)
In Psalm 110:1, it is written "The Lord says to my Lord: 'Sit at My right
hand until I make your enemies a footstool for Your feet." Therefore, the
Ancient of Days and Son of Man are ways to refer to God. And "sitting at
the right hand of power" is a phrase that is addressed to God.
Jesus told the High Priest at His trial that He was the Son of Man who sits
at the Right Hand of Power and will come on the clouds of heaven.
Interestingly, in Psalm 110, God is talking to God, thus indicating that
there is more than one individual of the Godhead.
The High Priest understood Jesus' claim to be God, because He condemned
Jesus for blasphemy.
The prophet Daniel said that the Ancient of Days had "hair like wool," that
his throne was ablaze with flames," that thousands upon thousands were
attending Him, and myriads upon myriads were standing before Him;" The
"hair like wool," fits the description of Jesus Christ in Revelation 1:14.
The description of "thousands upon thousands were attending Him, and myriads
upon myriads were standing before Him," fits perfectly with Revelation
5:11-14 in which it describes Jesus receiving the worship of all creation.
In Revelation 5, it is written:
"...and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and the living
creatures and the elders; and the number of them was myriads of myriads, and
thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice, 'Worthy is the Lamb that
was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and
glory and blessing.' And every created thing which is in heaven and on the
earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard
saying, 'To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and
honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.' And the four living
creatures kept saying, "Amen." And the elders fell down and worshiped."
Jesus is called the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. Here,
we read that He sits on the throne of God and receives worship from all the
angels and every living thing.
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| User: "€ R.L. Measures" |
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21 Dec 2003 04:40:32 AM |
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In article <65oauv0b3udsp9cm6oa7l0mlcd9u4r8qka@4ax.com>, John W
<john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
x-no-archive:yes
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:08:03 -0500, "j.w."
<no-spam-jaemtp@paonline.com> wrote:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0312191917.5f6eae0a@posting.google.com...
Jesus said of Himself that He was the"SON OF MAN", and God was never a
"MAN", "nor" a "SON OF MAN"
The term "Son of Man" means that Jesus was God.
Jesus said in Matthew 12:8 that "the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."
God said in Exodus 16:29 that "the Lord has given you the sabbath," and in
Deuteronomy 5:14 "but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God."
Since these verses indicate that the Sabbath was established by God and His
holy day, then Jesus claimed to be God by calling Himself the Lord of the
Sabbath.
Very good!
....
** Good luck.
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| User: "Mooky" |
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19 Dec 2003 11:47:47 PM |
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"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0312191917.5f6eae0a@posting.google.com...
| Jesus said of Himself that He was the"SON OF MAN", and God was never a
| "MAN", "nor" a "SON OF MAN"
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| Num 23:19 "God is not a "MAN", that He should lie, "nor" a "SON OF
| MAN",
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Wrong. Saying "Son of Man" says no such thing. As a matter of fact Jesus
said: "I and my Father are ONE"
So where does that put you?
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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20 Dec 2003 01:31:21 AM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Mooky:
"Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e164e783.0312191917.5f6eae0a@posting.google.com...
| Jesus said of Himself that He was the"SON OF MAN", and God was never
| a "MAN", "nor" a "SON OF MAN"
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| Num 23:19 "God is not a "MAN", that He should lie, "nor" a "SON OF
| MAN",
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Wrong. Saying "Son of Man" says no such thing. As a matter of fact
Jesus said: "I and my Father are ONE"
So where does that put you?
Back to First Grade math?
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart, "There is no God".
The wise man announces it to the world.
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| Title: Re: Jesus said: HE is not God |
20 Dec 2003 03:47:36 PM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9456EF4298AAEvicman@63.240.76.16...
| One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Mooky:
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| > "Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| > news:e164e783.0312191917.5f6eae0a@posting.google.com...
| >| Jesus said of Himself that He was the"SON OF MAN", and God was never
| >| a "MAN", "nor" a "SON OF MAN"
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| >| Num 23:19 "God is not a "MAN", that He should lie, "nor" a "SON OF
| >| MAN",
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| > Wrong. Saying "Son of Man" says no such thing. As a matter of fact
| > Jesus said: "I and my Father are ONE"
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| > So where does that put you?
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| Back to First Grade math?
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| The fool says in his heart, "There is no God".
| The wise man announces it to the world.
Human or Divine math?
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus said: HE is not God |
23 Dec 2003 07:55:09 AM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Mooky:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9456EF4298AAEvicman@63.240.76.16...
| One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Mooky:
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| > "Truth Hunter" <hunter77099@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| > news:e164e783.0312191917.5f6eae0a@posting.google.com...
| >| Jesus said of Himself that He was the"SON OF MAN", and God was never
| >| a "MAN", "nor" a "SON OF MAN"
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| >| Num 23:19 "God is not a "MAN", that He should lie, "nor" a "SON OF
| >| MAN",
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| > Wrong. Saying "Son of Man" says no such thing. As a matter of fact
| > Jesus said: "I and my Father are ONE"
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| > So where does that put you?
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| Back to First Grade math?
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| Vic Sagerquist
| aa#2011
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| The fool says in his heart, "There is no God".
| The wise man announces it to the world.
Human or Divine math?
What's Divine math? Divining rods?
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aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart "there is no God".
The wise man says it to the world.
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22 Dec 2003 10:47:27 AM |
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(Truth Hunter) wrote in message news:<e164e783.0312191917.5f6eae0a@posting.google.com>...
Jesus said of Himself that He was the"SON OF MAN", and God was never a
"MAN", "nor" a "SON OF MAN"
Num 23:19 "God is not a "MAN", that He should lie, "nor" a "SON OF
MAN",
Given that there was no Jesus to begin with, I submit he wasn't
anything, nor was he even able to say he was anyhting. There's more
evidence supporting the existence of Sasquatch than there is Jesus,
and I don't believe in that either.
Budikka
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22 Dec 2003 12:45:53 PM |
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(Truth Hunter) wrote in message news:<e164e783.0312191917.5f6eae0a@posting.google.com>...
Jesus said of Himself that He was the"SON OF MAN", and God was never a
"MAN", "nor" a "SON OF MAN"
But later after his resurrection He was crowned as the Christ/Messiah
and Christ/Messiah according to the truth revealed to
Paul is God in bodily form.
He make no difference what Jesus said before the Torah observer audience
because they could not accept it anyway as the Torah of Moses forbid
anyone to be called God.
Islam, which advirtizes Moses' Law has already a package for you
if you can not accept Jesus as God.So you better consider it.
Num 23:19 "God is not a "MAN", that He should lie, "nor" a "SON OF
MAN",
Welcome To What Jews Believe
http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/
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19 Dec 2003 10:10:42 PM |
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In article <e164e783.0312191917.5f6eae0a@posting.google.com>,
hunter77099@yahoo.com (Truth Hunter) wrote:
Jesus said of Himself that He was the"SON OF MAN", and God was never a
"MAN", "nor" a "SON OF MAN"
Num 23:19 "God is not a "MAN", that He should lie, "nor" a "SON OF
MAN",
** After ritual cannibalistic was added to Christianity in the 4th
century, Jesus had to become God, or else there would have been no perfect
"sacrfice".
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21 Dec 2003 07:50:45 PM |
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"? R.L. Measures" <+r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:+r-1912032010420001@192.168.1.100...
In article <e164e783.0312191917.5f6eae0a@posting.google.com>,
hunter77099@yahoo.com (Truth Hunter) wrote:
Jesus said of Himself that He was the"SON OF MAN", and God was never a
"MAN", "nor" a "SON OF MAN"
Num 23:19 "God is not a "MAN", that He should lie, "nor" a "SON OF
MAN",
** After ritual cannibalistic was added to Christianity in the 4th
century, Jesus had to become God, or else there would have been no perfect
"sacrfice".
Adam disobeyed God, so we need another man to not sin so we can be forgiven
of our sins by the perfect man who had no sin.
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| User: "Billy Goat" |
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22 Dec 2003 12:24:23 PM |
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"alight" <sheba7777@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bs5il4$5t9$19@mws-stat-syd.cdn.telstra.com.au>...
"? R.L. Measures" <+r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:+r-1912032010420001@192.168.1.100...
In article <e164e783.0312191917.5f6eae0a@posting.google.com>,
hunter77099@yahoo.com (Truth Hunter) wrote:
Jesus said of Himself that He was the"SON OF MAN", and God was never a
"MAN", "nor" a "SON OF MAN"
Num 23:19 "God is not a "MAN", that He should lie, "nor" a "SON OF
MAN",
** After ritual cannibalistic was added to Christianity in the 4th
century, Jesus had to become God, or else there would have been no perfect
"sacrfice".
Adam disobeyed God, so we need another man to not sin so we can be forgiven
of our sins by the perfect man who had no sin.
If *Adam* disobeyed God, why didn't God just forgive *Adam*? Why do
*we* need to be forgiven for *Adam's* disobedience? Can't God tell us
apart?
--Billy
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24 Dec 2003 08:49:36 AM |
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"Billy Goat" <ericvonl@my-deja.com> wrote in message
If *Adam* disobeyed God, why didn't God just forgive *Adam*? Why do
*we* need to be forgiven for *Adam's* disobedience? Can't God tell us
apart?
Good question! Obviously, God, just like his deluded followers, is a moron.
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23 Dec 2003 06:48:42 AM |
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In article <6bd3c70a.0312221024.4dfbc03e@posting.google.com>,
ericvonl@my-deja.com (Billy Goat) wrote:
"alight" <sheba7777@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<bs5il4$5t9$19@mws-stat-syd.cdn.telstra.com.au>...
"? R.L. Measures" <+r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:+r-1912032010420001@192.168.1.100...
In article <e164e783.0312191917.5f6eae0a@posting.google.com>,
hunter77099@yahoo.com (Truth Hunter) wrote:
Jesus said of Himself that He was the"SON OF MAN", and God was never a
"MAN", "nor" a "SON OF MAN"
Num 23:19 "God is not a "MAN", that He should lie, "nor" a "SON OF
MAN",
** After ritual cannibalistic was added to Christianity in the 4th
century, Jesus had to become God, or else there would have been no perfect
"sacrfice".
Adam disobeyed God, so we need another man to not sin so we can be forgiven
of our sins by the perfect man who had no sin.
If *Adam* disobeyed God, why didn't God just forgive *Adam*? Why do
*we* need to be forgiven for *Adam's* disobedience? Can't God tell us
apart?
** The more I learn about "God", the more he seems to be like a
narcissistic, jealous, petty. control-freak human being.
cheers, Billy
- "You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image, when
it turns out that God hates all the same people you do."
-- Anne Lamott
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In article <bs5il4$5t9$19@mws-stat-syd.cdn.telstra.com.au>, "alight"
<sheba7777@hotmail.com> wrote:
"? R.L. Measures" <+r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:+r-1912032010420001@192.168.1.100...
In article <e164e783.0312191917.5f6eae0a@posting.google.com>,
hunter77099@yahoo.com (Truth Hunter) wrote:
Jesus said of Himself that He was the"SON OF MAN", and God was never a
"MAN", "nor" a "SON OF MAN"
Num 23:19 "God is not a "MAN", that He should lie, "nor" a "SON OF
MAN",
** After ritual cannibalistic was added to Christianity in the 4th
century, Jesus had to become God, or else there would have been no perfect
"sacrfice".
Adam disobeyed God, so we need another man to not sin so we can be forgiven
of our sins by the perfect man who had no sin.
** In Hebrew, adam means mankind. Thus, the Genesis story is an allegory.
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23 Dec 2003 07:09:12 PM |
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:44:54 -0800, +r@somis.org (€ R.L. Measures)
wrote:
In article <bs5il4$5t9$19@mws-stat-syd.cdn.telstra.com.au>, "alight"
<sheba7777@hotmail.com> wrote:
Adam disobeyed God, so we need another man to not sin so we can be forgiven
of our sins by the perfect man who had no sin.
** In Hebrew, adam means mankind. Thus, the Genesis story is an allegory.
An allegory of what?
William
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23 Dec 2003 09:28:36 PM |
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In article <3fe8d800.3997116@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk>,
telige@mail.clara.fl.com (William) wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:44:54 -0800, +r@somis.org (€ R.L. Measures)
wrote:
In article <bs5il4$5t9$19@mws-stat-syd.cdn.telstra.com.au>, "alight"
<sheba7777@hotmail.com> wrote:
Adam disobeyed God, so we need another man to not sin so we can be forgiven
of our sins by the perfect man who had no sin.
** In Hebrew, adam means mankind. Thus, the Genesis story is an allegory.
An allegory of what?
** abstract ideas
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24 Dec 2003 05:02:50 PM |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:28:36 -0800, +r@somis.org (€ R.L. Measures)
wrote:
Adam disobeyed God, so we need another man to not sin so we can be forgiven
of our sins by the perfect man who had no sin.
** In Hebrew, adam means mankind. Thus, the Genesis story is an allegory.
An allegory of what?
** abstract ideas
So we have an abstract of an abstract. Do these things have any value
in imparting knowledge?
William
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24 Dec 2003 09:37:12 PM |
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In article <3fea0b9d.24021921@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk>,
telige@mail.clara.fl.com (William) wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:28:36 -0800, +r@somis.org (€ R.L. Measures)
wrote:
Adam disobeyed God, so we need another man to not sin so we can be
forgiven
of our sins by the perfect man who had no sin.
** In Hebrew, adam means mankind. Thus, the Genesis story is an
allegory.
An allegory of what?
** abstract ideas
So we have an abstract of an abstract. Do these things have any value
in imparting knowledge?
** The goal wasn't knowledge, it was thought-control and reaping respect
for priestcrafter/scam-meisters -- i. e., by professing to have divine
knowledge, such men hoped to control others. This plan worked better in
the beginning than of late. Abe was right: "You can fool some of the
people some of the time".
cheers, William
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21 Dec 2003 08:43:22 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach alight:
Jesus said of Himself that He was the"SON OF MAN", and God was
never a "MAN", "nor" a "SON OF MAN"
Num 23:19 "God is not a "MAN", that He should lie, "nor" a "SON OF
MAN",
** After ritual cannibalistic was added to Christianity in the 4th
century, Jesus had to become God, or else there would have been no
perfect "sacrfice".
Adam disobeyed God, so we need another man to not sin so we can be
forgiven of our sins by the perfect man who had no sin.
Evolution shows Adam & Eve never existed, therefore there was no original
sin, no downfall of mankind, no fall from grace, no need for saviors or
salvation, no need for religion's control of mankind.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart, "There is no God".
The wise man announces it to the world.
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| User: "CharliePFL" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus said: HE is not God |
29 Dec 2003 01:08:07 PM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
Evolution shows Adam & Eve never existed,
You don't need a scientific theory to postulate that Adam and Eve
never existed. How about just using common sense? Cultists
are naturally lacking in that department, it's the first thing they give
up when they join (or lose after being brainwashed).
therefore there was no original
sin, no downfall of mankind, no fall from grace, no need for saviors or
salvation, no need for religion's control of mankind.
The human race is defective in certain ways, one primary defect is
the presence of tyranny. Religious control of mankind is
one manifestation of this defect.
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| User: "M. Clark" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus said: HE is not God |
29 Dec 2003 02:57:00 PM |
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CharliePFL <CharliePFL@Ihatespam.com> wrote:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
Evolution shows Adam & Eve never existed,
You don't need a scientific theory to postulate that Adam and Eve
never existed. How about just using common sense? Cultists
are naturally lacking in that department, it's the first thing they give
up when they join (or lose after being brainwashed).
Whatever you assert about Adam and Eve, please prove it.
therefore there was no original
sin, no downfall of mankind, no fall from grace, no need for saviors or
salvation, no need for religion's control of mankind.
Thank you for your opinion about Adam and Eve.
M. Clark
The human race is defective in certain ways, one primary defect is
the presence of tyranny. Religious control of mankind is
one manifestation of this defect.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus said: HE is not God |
30 Dec 2003 10:09:30 PM |
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On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:57:00 -0700, (M. Clark)
posted to alt.atheism:
CharliePFL <CharliePFL@Ihatespam.com> wrote:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
Evolution shows Adam & Eve never existed,
You don't need a scientific theory to postulate that Adam and Eve
never existed. How about just using common sense? Cultists
are naturally lacking in that department, it's the first thing they give
up when they join (or lose after being brainwashed).
Whatever you assert about Adam and Eve, please prove it.
Whatever your bible asserts about Adam and Eve, please prove it.
--
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of
themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
- Bertrand Russell
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "€ R.L. Measures" |
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30 Dec 2003 06:08:32 AM |
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In article <rY_Hb.557112$0v4.22685259@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"CharliePFL" <CharliePFL@Ihatespam.com> wrote:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
Evolution shows Adam & Eve never existed,
You don't need a scientific theory to postulate that Adam and Eve
never existed. How about just using common sense? ...
** Oh no, they can't do that. The heirarchy is supposed to do the thinking.
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€ R.L. Measures, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org. + in adr = spam trap
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| User: "€ R.L. Measures" |
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30 Dec 2003 04:51:17 AM |
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In article <rY_Hb.557112$0v4.22685259@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"CharliePFL" <CharliePFL@Ihatespam.com> wrote:
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
Evolution shows Adam & Eve never existed,
You don't need a scientific theory to postulate that Adam and Eve
never existed. How about just using common sense? Cultists
are naturally lacking in that department, it's the first thing they give
up when they join (or lose after being brainwashed).
therefore there was no original
sin, no downfall of mankind, no fall from grace, no need for saviors or
salvation, no need for religion's control of mankind.
The human race is defective in certain ways, one primary defect is
the presence of tyranny. Religious control of mankind is
one manifestation of this defect.
** Indeed. It's just one facet of megalomania and it's twin brother, the
lust of dominion. Maybe the trouble has got something to do with
testosterone?
--
€ R.L. Measures, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org. + in adr = spam trap
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| User: "Polly Peck" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus said: HE is not God |
29 Dec 2003 01:33:33 PM |
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Not True - check the art of genetic mapping -
What a charlie !
"CharliePFL" <CharliePFL@Ihatespam.com> wrote in message
news:rY_Hb.557112$0v4.22685259@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
Evolution shows Adam & Eve never existed,
You don't need a scientific theory to postulate that Adam and Eve
never existed. How about just using common sense? Cultists
are naturally lacking in that department, it's the first thing they give
up when they join (or lose after being brainwashed).
therefore there was no original
sin, no downfall of mankind, no fall from grace, no need for saviors or
salvation, no need for religion's control of mankind.
The human race is defective in certain ways, one primary defect is
the presence of tyranny. Religious control of mankind is
one manifestation of this defect.
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| User: "€ R.L. Measures" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus said: HE is not God |
22 Dec 2003 12:47:26 AM |
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In article <Xns9458BE7008147vicman@63.240.76.16>, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach alight:
Jesus said of Himself that He was the"SON OF MAN", and God was
never a "MAN", "nor" a "SON OF MAN"
Num 23:19 "God is not a "MAN", that He should lie, "nor" a "SON OF
MAN",
** After ritual cannibalistic was added to Christianity in the 4th
century, Jesus had to become God, or else there would have been no
perfect "sacrfice".
Adam disobeyed God, so we need another man to not sin so we can be
forgiven of our sins by the perfect man who had no sin.
Evolution shows Adam & Eve never existed, therefore there was no original
sin, no downfall of mankind, no fall from grace, no need for saviors or
salvation, no need for religion's control of mankind.
** In the good old days, you could have been burning alive by the Holy
Office of the Inquisition.
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€ R.L. Measures, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org. + in adr = spam trap
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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22 Dec 2003 07:46:23 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach € R.L. Measures:
In article <Xns9458BE7008147vicman@63.240.76.16>, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach alight:
Jesus said of Himself that He was the"SON OF MAN", and God was
never a "MAN", "nor" a "SON OF MAN"
Num 23:19 "God is not a "MAN", that He should lie, "nor" a "SON
OF MAN",
** After ritual cannibalistic was added to Christianity in the
4th century, Jesus had to become God, or else there would have
been no perfect "sacrfice".
Adam disobeyed God, so we need another man to not sin so we can be
forgiven of our sins by the perfect man who had no sin.
Evolution shows Adam & Eve never existed, therefore there was no
original sin, no downfall of mankind, no fall from grace, no need for
saviors or salvation, no need for religion's control of mankind.
** In the good old days, you could have been burning alive by the
Holy Office of the Inquisition.
Heh - love is all around.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart, "There is no God".
The wise man announces it to the world.
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