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"Joseph" |
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03 Jan 2008 05:29:39 PM |
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Jesus the Immortal ? |
Hello all.
My name is Joseph.
My mom is a Jew, so that makes me a Jew.
I choose to be Messianic because of my faith and love for Yeshua
(Jesus).
Father is italian, (catholic), so from very young, I have been exposed
to
the son of god being the messiah.
A few days ago, a very interesting theory entered my mind space.
True or not true, I choose to offer it to the world community.
Here it is.
----------
Adam and Eve was created to be immortal.
They were given rights to eat of everything in the garden of
eden, except the tree of knowledge and the tree of life.
They were told to stay away from those 2 things.
So before they ate of the tree of knowledge, it is safe to assume
that Adam and Eve were of Perfect DNA (immortal).
When they ate of the tree of knowledge, they were cursed with death
which translates to a modification of their perfect DNA.
(safe assumption).
Now,.
Lets go to the birth of Yeshua.
Yeshua was conceived OUTSIDE of the Adam and Eve curse, meaning,
he was conceived by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary.
This would mean, (safely), that Yeshua was born outside of the Adam
and
Eve death curse, or simply put, Yeshua was immortal.
IF,... this is true, maybe then, it is possible, that he never died on
the cross,
but that he needed 3 days to regenerate (perfect DNA).
If this is possible, can you imagine what this means?
I ask that the world do not attack me on this idea.
It's simply ... an idea.
I do not know if I firmly believe this concept, but I am saying
that it has entered my mind as a possible truth.
What do you all think about it?
Again, I ask that you do not judge to harshly,
but that you go outside of scripture for a tiny moment and explore
the possibility.
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| User: "Apostate" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus the Immortal ? |
03 Jan 2008 07:06:25 PM |
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<fish in a bell jar>
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:29:39 -0800 (PST), Joseph <joe.defranco@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all.
My name is Joseph.
My mom is a Jew, so that makes me a Jew.
I choose to be Messianic because of my faith and love for Yeshua
(Jesus).
Father is italian, (catholic), so from very young, I have been exposed
to
the son of god being the messiah.
A few days ago, a very interesting theory entered my mind space.
True or not true, I choose to offer it to the world community.
Here it is.
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Adam and Eve was created to be immortal.
A "theory", you say?
That entails testable predictions, inter alia.
Can you demonstrate, to begin, that Adam and Eve are not mere figments of allegory, as seems
so clearly true? In case you manage that, what predictions do you offer, and how will you test
them, for this "theory"?
They were given rights to eat of everything in the garden of
eden, except the tree of knowledge and the tree of life.
They were told to stay away from those 2 things.
So before they ate of the tree of knowledge, it is safe to assume
that Adam and Eve were of Perfect DNA (immortal).
You seem awfully promiscuous about "safe" assumptions. Where do you get the warrant to claim
that "perfect DNA", whatever that might be, should confer immortality? Did I miss a molecul;ar
biology chapter in the babble?
When they ate of the tree of knowledge, they were cursed with death
which translates to a modification of their perfect DNA.
(safe assumption).
The hell you say! Show some of your work, for Christ's sake!
How can you presume to make this audacious claim about DNA modification somehow being
EITHER necessary OR sufficient to cause death as a downstream event? Would you care to
tell us about a few key intermediate reactions in this causal chain? (In chemical detail, it
ought to go without saying.)
Now,.
Lets go to the birth of Yeshua.
Yeshua was conceived OUTSIDE of the Adam and Eve curse, meaning,
he was conceived by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary.
You mean that a so-called virgin got fucked by an invisible, massless, odorless, presumably
spermless as well as dickless partner, and conception eventuated? Do fucking tell!
This would mean, (safely), that Yeshua was born outside of the Adam
and
Eve death curse, or simply put, Yeshua was immortal.
Why? You've claimed something rather vaguely specified about DNA molecular changes causing
death as a necessary consequence. How does sex with spooks undo this?
IF,... this is true, maybe then, it is possible, that he never died on
the cross,
but that he needed 3 days to regenerate (perfect DNA).
Well then, you've missed a very important step in your "theory". We need to know about the DNA
repair that followed on from spook-fucking. In the alternative, it seems clear that your
Yeshua is toast, the same as every other DNA-damaged H. sapiens sapiens.
If this is possible, can you imagine what this means?
Mmmm, I'm thinking it means that you have some fairly serious deleterious biochemical
modifications yourself, but not so much cell-nuclear events as excessive blood alcohol levels,
or perhaps toxins from fungus-infested grain.
I ask that the world do not attack me on this idea.
It's simply ... an idea.
It is like hell. It's completely uninformed mental masturbation.
I do not know if I firmly believe this concept, but I am saying
that it has entered my mind as a possible truth.>
What do you all think about it?
I'm still thinking what I said above, as a quite probable truth.
Again, I ask that you do not judge to harshly,
but that you go outside of scripture for a tiny moment and explore
the possibility.
You may safely assume (for once) that I did not consult scripture for my critique of your
theory.
Now 'fess up: is this one of the atheist posters, bored from the holiday fall-off of traffic?
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Apostate a.a. #1931
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| User: "Dag Yo" |
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04 Jan 2008 04:54:32 AM |
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All I could think was "DNA doesn't work that way".
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| User: "Bill Dukenfield" |
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03 Jan 2008 09:21:28 PM |
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Joseph wrote:
Hello all.
My name is Joseph.
My mom is a Jew, so that makes me a Jew.
I choose to be Messianic because of my faith and love for Yeshua
(Jesus).
Father is italian, (catholic), so from very young, I have been exposed
to
the son of god being the messiah.
A few days ago, a very interesting theory entered my mind space.
True or not true, I choose to offer it to the world community.
Here it is.
----------
Adam and Eve was created to be immortal.
They were given rights to eat of everything in the garden of
eden, except the tree of knowledge and the tree of life.
They were told to stay away from those 2 things.
So before they ate of the tree of knowledge, it is safe to assume
that Adam and Eve were of Perfect DNA (immortal).
When they ate of the tree of knowledge, they were cursed with death
which translates to a modification of their perfect DNA.
(safe assumption).
Now,.
Lets go to the birth of Yeshua.
Yeshua was conceived OUTSIDE of the Adam and Eve curse, meaning,
he was conceived by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary.
This would mean, (safely), that Yeshua was born outside of the Adam
and
Eve death curse, or simply put, Yeshua was immortal.
IF,... this is true, maybe then, it is possible, that he never died on
the cross,
but that he needed 3 days to regenerate (perfect DNA).
If this is possible, can you imagine what this means?
I ask that the world do not attack me on this idea.
It's simply ... an idea.
I do not know if I firmly believe this concept, but I am saying
that it has entered my mind as a possible truth.
What do you all think about it?
Again, I ask that you do not judge to harshly,
but that you go outside of scripture for a tiny moment and explore
the possibility.
Trying to make sense of ignorant superstitions is not a good use of your
time or your life.
JAM
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| User: "Mr. B" |
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03 Jan 2008 06:33:31 PM |
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Joseph wrote:
Hello all.
My name is Joseph.
My mom is a Jew, so that makes me a Jew.
No, it does NOT. Do you keep kosher? Do you follow Jewish laws? Do you
celebrate Jewish holidays?
I choose to be Messianic because of my faith and love for Yeshua
(Jesus).
Oh, wait, you're a Christian. Nevermind.
Father is italian, (catholic), so from very young, I have been exposed
to
the son of god being the messiah.
Yu[, Christian. Congratulations on your faith, but why did you lie and
claim to be Jewish?
A few days ago, a very interesting theory entered my mind space.
True or not true, I choose to offer it to the world community.
Not true.
Here it is.
Here I go. Bye!
-- B
P.S. Normally, I am not this sarcastic, but honestly, you are not Jewish,
and the rest of your post did not belong in an atheist newsgroup.
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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03 Jan 2008 05:47:38 PM |
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Joseph wrote:
Hello all.
My name is Joseph.
My mom is a Jew, so that makes me a Jew.
I choose to be Messianic because of my faith and love for Yeshua
(Jesus).
Father is italian, (catholic), so from very young, I have been exposed
to
the son of god being the messiah.
A few days ago, a very interesting theory entered my mind space.
True or not true, I choose to offer it to the world community.
Here it is.
----------
Adam and Eve was created to be immortal.
They were given rights to eat of everything in the garden of
eden, except the tree of knowledge and the tree of life.
They were told to stay away from those 2 things.
So before they ate of the tree of knowledge, it is safe to assume
that Adam and Eve were of Perfect DNA (immortal).
When they ate of the tree of knowledge, they were cursed with death
which translates to a modification of their perfect DNA.
(safe assumption).
Now,.
Lets go to the birth of Yeshua.
Yeshua was conceived OUTSIDE of the Adam and Eve curse, meaning,
he was conceived by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary.
This would mean, (safely), that Yeshua was born outside of the Adam
and
Eve death curse, or simply put, Yeshua was immortal.
IF,... this is true, maybe then, it is possible, that he never died on
the cross,
but that he needed 3 days to regenerate (perfect DNA).
If this is possible, can you imagine what this means?
I ask that the world do not attack me on this idea.
It's simply ... an idea.
I do not know if I firmly believe this concept, but I am saying
that it has entered my mind as a possible truth.
What do you all think about it?
Again, I ask that you do not judge to harshly,
but that you go outside of scripture for a tiny moment and explore
the possibility.
I think you need to go preach fairy tales to an xtian group and leave us
atheists alone.
Or do you think you have a snowballs chance in Phoenix of making
converts here?
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.secularity.com/ktayloraz
A.A #1143 http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "cactus" |
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04 Jan 2008 11:36:46 AM |
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Joseph wrote:
Hello all.
My name is Joseph.
My mom is a Jew, so that makes me a Jew.
I choose to be Messianic because of my faith and love for Yeshua
(Jesus).
Father is italian, (catholic), so from very young, I have been exposed
to
the son of god being the messiah.
Christianity's loss is Judaism's gain. Arkansas principle.
A few days ago, a very interesting theory entered my mind space.
True or not true, I choose to offer it to the world community.
Here it is.
----------
Adam and Eve was created to be immortal.
They were given rights to eat of everything in the garden of
eden, except the tree of knowledge and the tree of life.
They were told to stay away from those 2 things.
So before they ate of the tree of knowledge, it is safe to assume
that Adam and Eve were of Perfect DNA (immortal).
When they ate of the tree of knowledge, they were cursed with death
which translates to a modification of their perfect DNA.
(safe assumption).
Now,.
Lets go to the birth of Yeshua.
Yeshua was conceived OUTSIDE of the Adam and Eve curse, meaning,
he was conceived by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary.
This would mean, (safely), that Yeshua was born outside of the Adam
and
Eve death curse, or simply put, Yeshua was immortal.
IF,... this is true, maybe then, it is possible, that he never died on
the cross,
but that he needed 3 days to regenerate (perfect DNA).
If this is possible, can you imagine what this means?
I ask that the world do not attack me on this idea.
It's simply ... an idea.
I do not know if I firmly believe this concept, but I am saying
that it has entered my mind as a possible truth.
What do you all think about it?
Again, I ask that you do not judge to harshly,
but that you go outside of scripture for a tiny moment and explore
the possibility.
The nicest thing I can say about it is that it is as good a theory as
Christianity has to offer. I suggest you proclaim it from the walls of
the Vatican, and see what happens.
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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03 Jan 2008 07:38:10 PM |
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Last time that great scribe Joseph <joe.defranco@gmail.com> chipped away
at his/her stone these gems of wisdom for posterity ...
Hello all.
My name is Joseph.
My mom is a Jew, so that makes me a Jew.
I choose to be Messianic because of my faith and love for Yeshua
(Jesus).
Father is italian, (catholic), so from very young, I have been exposed
to
the son of god being the messiah.
A few days ago, a very interesting theory entered my mind space.
True or not true, I choose to offer it to the world community.
Here it is.
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Adam and Eve was created to be immortal.
This is where it all went wrong - for your argument, not mankind.
Garbage in!
They were given rights to eat of everything in the garden of
eden, except the tree of knowledge and the tree of life.
They were told to stay away from those 2 things.
So before they ate of the tree of knowledge, it is safe to assume
that Adam and Eve were of Perfect DNA (immortal).
2nd input. Also garbage.
When they ate of the tree of knowledge, they were cursed with death
which translates to a modification of their perfect DNA.
(safe assumption).
Now,.
Lets go to the birth of Yeshua.
3rd input. Still more garbage.
Yeshua was conceived OUTSIDE of the Adam and Eve curse, meaning,
he was conceived by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary.
This would mean, (safely), that Yeshua was born outside of the Adam
and
Eve death curse, or simply put, Yeshua was immortal.
Some output. Logically consistent with input but unfortunately input was
garbage.
IF,... this is true, maybe then, it is possible, that he never died on
the cross,
Flawed logic. It is possible he never died on the cross AND that he was
not immortal.
but that he needed 3 days to regenerate (perfect DNA).
I thought perfect DNA would regenerate instantly. The perfect DNA I can
imagine does just that.
If this is possible, can you imagine what this means?
Garbage in, garbage out.
I ask that the world do not attack me on this idea.
You come to aa (alt.ATHEISM), tout some crack pot theory about some
supernatural event and expect to be taken as anything but the complete
and utter looney that you are.
It's simply ... an idea.
Not a very good one.
I do not know if I firmly believe this concept, but I am saying
that it has entered my mind as a possible truth.
How about a giant cosmic cat that coughed up the whole universe as a fur
ball?
What do you all think about it?
I think you should go back to school and complete your education. You
obviously don't have clue.
Again, I ask that you do not judge to harshly,
I have taken your ideas and treated them as merit deserved. You can't
complain.
but that you go outside of scripture for a tiny moment and explore
the possibility.
GIGO
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Remove both YOUR_SHOES before replying
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make
you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
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| User: "sleepykit" |
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03 Jan 2008 06:21:19 PM |
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On Jan 3, 4:29 pm, Joseph <joe.defra...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all.
My name is Joseph.
My mom is a Jew, so that makes me a Jew.
I choose to be Messianic because of my faith and love for Yeshua
(Jesus).
Father is italian, (catholic), so from very young, I have been exposed
to
the son of god being the messiah.
A few days ago, a very interesting theory entered my mind space.
True or not true, I choose to offer it to the world community.
Here it is.
----------
Adam and Eve was created to be immortal.
They were given rights to eat of everything in the garden of
eden, except the tree of knowledge and the tree of life.
They were told to stay away from those 2 things.
So before they ate of the tree of knowledge, it is safe to assume
that Adam and Eve were of Perfect DNA (immortal).
When they ate of the tree of knowledge, they were cursed with death
which translates to a modification of their perfect DNA.
(safe assumption).
Now,.
Lets go to the birth of Yeshua.
Yeshua was conceived OUTSIDE of the Adam and Eve curse, meaning,
he was conceived by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary.
This would mean, (safely), that Yeshua was born outside of the Adam
and
Eve death curse, or simply put, Yeshua was immortal.
IF,... this is true, maybe then, it is possible, that he never died on
the cross,
but that he needed 3 days to regenerate (perfect DNA).
If this is possible, can you imagine what this means?
I ask that the world do not attack me on this idea.
It's simply ... an idea.
I do not know if I firmly believe this concept, but I am saying
that it has entered my mind as a possible truth.
What do you all think about it?
Again, I ask that you do not judge to harshly,
but that you go outside of scripture for a tiny moment and explore
the possibility.
Your hypothesis is based on the false assumption that some deity
created two people in a garden (DNA aside) and from them came the rest
of humanity. I think we can safely stop there.
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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03 Jan 2008 05:58:40 PM |
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On Jan 3, 4:29=A0pm, Joseph <joe.defra...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all.
Hi there.
My name is Joseph.
I'm Brenda, pleased to meet you.
My mom is a Jew, so that makes me a Jew.
I'm an atheist. My parents were devout christians.
I choose to be Messianic because of my faith and love for Yeshua
(Jesus).
Who is, in all probability, a fictional character.
Don't you know that faith is not a virtue, but a character flaw? A
bad one?
Father is italian, (catholic), so from very young, I have been exposed
to
the son of god being the messiah.
Ewwww. Where did he expose himself to you? Don't they have laws
against that where you are?
Okay, okay, I know. Cheap shot. But I couldn't resist.
A few days ago, a very interesting theory entered my mind space.
True or not true, I choose to offer it to the world community.
I'm all a-quiver.
Here it is.
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Adam and Eve was created
By who or what?
to be immortal.
They were given rights to eat of everything in the garden of
eden, except the tree of knowledge and the tree of life.
They were told to stay away from those 2 things.
When does the "interesting" part start?
So before they ate of the tree of knowledge, it is safe to assume
that Adam and Eve were of Perfect DNA (immortal).
Why would you assume anything about two characters out of mythology?
When they ate of the tree of knowledge, they were cursed with death
which translates to a modification of their perfect DNA.
(safe assumption).
Oh, please. This is neither interesting, nor original.
The whole Adam and Eve thing is fiction, but for the sake of argument
(and fun), let's for a moment treat it *as if* it actually happened.
*If* Adam and Eve lacked the knowledge of the difference between good
and evil (that is to say, right and wrong), then they had no concept
of *disobedience*, because the notion of disobeying an authority
figure is contingent upon knowing right from wrong.
*Therefore*, Adam and Eve had no free will, and god's punishment of
them - by making them mortal - was unfair, evil, and premediated.
(After all, "god" is supposed to be omniscient; he *had* to know that
two innocents lacking function knowledge of right and wrong would be
unable to obey commands.)
*Therefore*, god set the whole scenario up with malice aforethought.
There, wasn't that *fun*?
Now,.
Lets go to the birth of Yeshua.
Something that's *also* mythical.
Yeshua was conceived OUTSIDE of the Adam and Eve curse, meaning,
he was conceived by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary.
Hold on, hold on, hold on. Before you start talking about gods and
virgins and conception, you need to provide evidence (1) that there
*is* such a thing as a "god," (2) that there *was* such a person as
"Mary," (3) that Mary was, indeed, a virgin (good luck with that), and
that (4) she got pregnant not by human means, but by divine fiat.
By the way, you *do* know that it's possible for human females to
conceive babies without actually having intercourse, don't you? (It
happened to a friend of mine.)
This would mean, (safely), that Yeshua was born outside of the Adam
and
Eve death curse, or simply put, Yeshua was immortal.
IF,... this is true, maybe then, it is possible, that he never died on
the cross,
but that he needed 3 days to regenerate (perfect DNA).
If this is possible,
=2E..which it isn't...
can you imagine what this means?
It means your mom and dad need to get you to a good psychiatrist.
I ask that the world do not attack me on this idea.
It's simply ... an idea.
And one that's neither original or interesting, as I noted above.
I do not know if I firmly believe this concept,
Oh, I hope not. There are enough idiots in the world as it is.
but I am saying
that it has entered my mind as a possible truth.
No, it's entered your mind as a fantasy. It bears no resemblance to
truth (as in "fact"). For it to be possible fact, you need to provide
evidence for the four conditions that I listed above.
What do you all think about it?
I think you need a girlfriend.
Again, I ask that you do not judge to harshly,
This is alt.*atheism*. You don't get a free ride for your fantasies
here. Sorry, kiddo.
but that you go outside of scripture for a tiny moment and explore
the possibility.
Again, this is alt.*atheism*. We lack belief in any god or gods
because there is no evidence that such things exist. What you refer
to as "scripture" is, to us, nothing more than folk mythology.
And be warned: most of the alt.atheism regulars know the bible *way*
better than you do.
Now run along and try to think rationally about these things, okay?
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "Vlad the accountant" |
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04 Jan 2008 05:14:38 AM |
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On Jan 3, 11:58=A0pm, skyeyes <skye...@dakotacom.net> wrote:
By the way, you *do* know that it's possible for human females to
conceive babies without actually having intercourse, don't you? =A0(It
happened to a friend of mine.)
whoa there, now you have really got my attention!
was the lavatory seat forced to marry her?
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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04 Jan 2008 06:19:13 AM |
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On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 03:14:38 -0800 (PST), Vlad the accountant
<vlad.the.accountant@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Jan 3, 11:58 pm, skyeyes <skye...@dakotacom.net> wrote:
By the way, you *do* know that it's possible for human females to
conceive babies without actually having intercourse, don't you? (It
happened to a friend of mine.)
whoa there, now you have really got my attention!
was the lavatory seat forced to marry her?
No, the turkey baster.
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| User: "Olrik" |
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03 Jan 2008 10:49:08 PM |
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On Jan 3, 6:29 pm, Joseph <joe.defra...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all.
My name is Joseph.
Wrong A.A....
Olrik
<snipped for brevity>
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| User: "Syd M." |
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04 Jan 2008 03:39:34 PM |
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On Jan 3, 11:49 pm, Olrik <olrik...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 3, 6:29 pm, Joseph <joe.defra...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all.
My name is Joseph.
Wrong A.A....
Olrik
<snipped for brevity>
LOL!!!
PDW
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| User: "raven1" |
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03 Jan 2008 11:38:58 PM |
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On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 20:49:08 -0800 (PST), Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Jan 3, 6:29 pm, Joseph <joe.defra...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all.
My name is Joseph.
Wrong A.A....
*Snarf!*
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"Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to skyscrapers..."
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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04 Jan 2008 12:03:26 AM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> bloodied us up with
this:
On Jan 3, 6:29 pm, Joseph <joe.defra...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all.
My name is Joseph.
Wrong A.A....
Olrik
<snipped for brevity>
Glug-glug-glug.... spurt-snarf... whaaaa?
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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03 Jan 2008 07:28:11 PM |
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On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:29:39 -0800, Joseph wrote:
Hello all.
My name is Joseph.
My mom is a Jew, so that makes me a Jew.
I choose to be Messianic because of my faith and love for Yeshua
(Jesus).
Father is italian, (catholic), so from very young, I have been exposed
to
the son of god being the messiah.
A few days ago, a very interesting theory entered my mind space.
True or not true, I choose to offer it to the world community.
Here it is.
<snip> ----------
You have done a wonderful job of illustrating why a little knowledge can
be a dangerous thing.
"The enemy of knowledge is not ignorance. The enemy of knowledge is the
illusion of knowledge." -- Stephen Hawking, an astrophysicist of some
note.
--
MarkA
(This space accidentally filled in)
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus the Immortal ? |
04 Jan 2008 05:16:53 AM |
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On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:28:11 -0500, MarkA <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:29:39 -0800, Joseph wrote:
Hello all.
My name is Joseph.
My mom is a Jew, so that makes me a Jew.
I choose to be Messianic because of my faith and love for Yeshua
(Jesus).
Father is italian, (catholic), so from very young, I have been exposed
to
the son of god being the messiah.
A few days ago, a very interesting theory entered my mind space.
True or not true, I choose to offer it to the world community.
Here it is.
<snip> ----------
You have done a wonderful job of illustrating why a little knowledge can
be a dangerous thing.
"The enemy of knowledge is not ignorance. The enemy of knowledge is the
illusion of knowledge." -- Stephen Hawking, an astrophysicist of some
note.
That could only come from a listener to the "Skeptic's Guide to the
Universe"!
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| User: "MarkA" |
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04 Jan 2008 07:08:17 AM |
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On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:46:53 +1030, Michael Gray wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:28:11 -0500, MarkA <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:29:39 -0800, Joseph wrote:
Hello all.
My name is Joseph.
My mom is a Jew, so that makes me a Jew.
I choose to be Messianic because of my faith and love for Yeshua
(Jesus).
Father is italian, (catholic), so from very young, I have been exposed
to
the son of god being the messiah.
A few days ago, a very interesting theory entered my mind space.
True or not true, I choose to offer it to the world community.
Here it is.
<snip> ----------
You have done a wonderful job of illustrating why a little knowledge can
be a dangerous thing.
"The enemy of knowledge is not ignorance. The enemy of knowledge is the
illusion of knowledge." -- Stephen Hawking, an astrophysicist of some
note.
That could only come from a listener to the "Skeptic's Guide to the
Universe"!
I collect the podcasts on my mp3 player, so I'm usually listening to them
about a month after they air. I am a little sad that they have stopped
the tradition of referring to the person being quoted as a <blank> "of
some note." I think it would be a nice way to honor the memory of Perry.
--
MarkA
(My OTHER sig line is clever)
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus the Immortal ? |
04 Jan 2008 07:30:17 AM |
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On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:08:17 -0500, MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:46:53 +1030, Michael Gray wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:28:11 -0500, MarkA <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:29:39 -0800, Joseph wrote:
Hello all.
My name is Joseph.
My mom is a Jew, so that makes me a Jew.
I choose to be Messianic because of my faith and love for Yeshua
(Jesus).
Father is italian, (catholic), so from very young, I have been exposed
to
the son of god being the messiah.
A few days ago, a very interesting theory entered my mind space.
True or not true, I choose to offer it to the world community.
Here it is.
<snip> ----------
You have done a wonderful job of illustrating why a little knowledge can
be a dangerous thing.
"The enemy of knowledge is not ignorance. The enemy of knowledge is the
illusion of knowledge." -- Stephen Hawking, an astrophysicist of some
note.
That could only come from a listener to the "Skeptic's Guide to the
Universe"!
I collect the podcasts on my mp3 player, so I'm usually listening to them
about a month after they air. I am a little sad that they have stopped
the tradition of referring to the person being quoted as a <blank> "of
some note." I think it would be a nice way to honor the memory of Perry.
Yes. I have a similar sad disappointment.
To the point where I here myself appending that phrase after each
"quote".
Michael Gray: a *****, of some note!
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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03 Jan 2008 07:21:49 PM |
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On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:29:39 -0800, Joseph wrote:
What do you all think about it?
That you're in the *wrong* newsgroup.
This is alt.atheism, we're atheists. We don't believe in any gods. We
don't believe in the "Adam and Eve" myth. We don't believe in "Yeshua".
And we don't believe in your "scripture".
Sorry, wrong room...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who
understand binary and those who don't...
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus the Immortal ? |
04 Jan 2008 05:15:37 AM |
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On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:29:39 -0800 (PST), Joseph
<joe.defranco@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all.
Hullo.
My name is Joseph.
My name is Michael.
My mom is a Jew, so that makes me a Jew.
You are a spineless cretin.
I choose to be Messianic because of my faith and love for Yeshua
(Jesus).
You are a delusional moron.
Father is italian, (catholic), so from very young, I have been exposed
to
the son of god being the messiah.
*****, mental midget.
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| User: "raven1" |
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03 Jan 2008 08:35:09 PM |
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On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:29:39 -0800 (PST), Joseph
<joe.defranco@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all.
My name is Joseph.
My mom is a Jew, so that makes me a Jew.
I choose to be Messianic because of my faith and love for Yeshua
(Jesus).
Father is italian, (catholic), so from very young, I have been exposed
to
the son of god being the messiah.
And you expect atheists to care why?
---
"Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to skyscrapers..."
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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03 Jan 2008 06:43:58 PM |
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On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:29:39 -0800 (PST), in alt.atheism
Joseph <joe.defranco@gmail.com> wrote in
<0cc39ff4-7544-44f1-9c2a-e96a800a4d66@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>:
Hello all.
My name is Joseph.
My mom is a Jew, so that makes me a Jew.
I choose to be Messianic because of my faith and love for Yeshua
(Jesus).
Father is italian, (catholic), so from very young, I have been exposed
to
the son of god being the messiah.
So you have rejected Judaism.
A few days ago, a very interesting theory entered my mind space.
True or not true, I choose to offer it to the world community.
Here it is.
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Adam and Eve was created to be immortal.
Nope.
They were given rights to eat of everything in the garden of
eden, except the tree of knowledge and the tree of life.
Clearly they were not created to be immortal then, were they.
They were told to stay away from those 2 things.
So before they ate of the tree of knowledge, it is safe to assume
that Adam and Eve were of Perfect DNA (immortal).
Since the story doesn't square with any actual evidence, it doesn't
matter.
When they ate of the tree of knowledge, they were cursed with death
which translates to a modification of their perfect DNA.
(safe assumption).
No.
Now,.
Lets go to the birth of Yeshua.
Yeshua was conceived OUTSIDE of the Adam and Eve curse, meaning,
he was conceived by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary.
So, Mary wasn't human.
This would mean, (safely), that Yeshua was born outside of the Adam
and
Eve death curse, or simply put, Yeshua was immortal.
IF,... this is true, maybe then, it is possible, that he never died on
the cross,
but that he needed 3 days to regenerate (perfect DNA).
You should write comic books.
If this is possible, can you imagine what this means?
I ask that the world do not attack me on this idea.
It's simply ... an idea.
I do not know if I firmly believe this concept, but I am saying
that it has entered my mind as a possible truth.
What do you all think about it?
Again, I ask that you do not judge to harshly,
but that you go outside of scripture for a tiny moment and explore
the possibility.
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| User: "Mr. B" |
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03 Jan 2008 06:48:27 PM |
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Free Lunch wrote:
This would mean, (safely), that Yeshua was born outside of the Adam
and
Eve death curse, or simply put, Yeshua was immortal.
IF,... this is true, maybe then, it is possible, that he never died on
the cross,
but that he needed 3 days to regenerate (perfect DNA).
You should write comic books.
Somebody beat him to it:
http://www.chick.com/
-- B
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus the Immortal ? |
03 Jan 2008 10:08:25 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, Joseph <joe.defranco@gmail.com> bloodied us up
with this:
If this is possible, can you imagine what this means?
Not a damn thing outside of your imagination. Think about it. An
imaginary creator creates an imaginary son, who is also himself, and who
did or did not die an imaginary death upon an imaginary cross in the
imaginations of believers... What does this have to do with reality?
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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