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"ArWeGod" |
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02 Aug 2004 03:40:24 AM |
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Jesus was born Jewish, wasn't He? |
So, if I understand it correctly, Jesus was Son of God. Also, Jesus was
Jewish. Therefore the Son of God, who is also God Himself, is a Jew. If one
of the Trinity of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost is Jewish aren't
they all Jewish?
I'm not saying that the Saviour of Mankind, Son of God can't bring new
knowledge to the human race...
But He was born as the perfect son of God, wasn't he born Jewish? Did that
change Him when He preached to others? When he hung out with sinners,
"because that's where the sins are", did He become another religion?
Is Jesus, who never died and never sinned, Jewish?
....and did you have a nice BLT lately?
;-)
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ArWeSinners
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| User: "Paul Abeles" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus was born Jewish, wasn't He? |
15 Aug 2004 09:40:59 AM |
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"ArWeGod" <ArWeGod?@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Y5nPc.5529$AY5.94@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
So, if I understand it correctly, Jesus was Son of God. Also, Jesus was
Jewish. Therefore the Son of God, who is also God Himself, is a Jew. If
one
of the Trinity of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost is Jewish aren't
they all Jewish?
I'm not saying that the Saviour of Mankind, Son of God can't bring new
knowledge to the human race...
But He was born as the perfect son of God, wasn't he born Jewish? Did that
change Him when He preached to others? When he hung out with sinners,
"because that's where the sins are", did He become another religion?
Is Jesus, who never died and never sinned, Jewish?
Under Jewish religious law the person called Jesus in the New Testament was
born Jewish, and died Jewish.
There is some evidence that Jesus existed, there is no evidence that God
exists or existed.
If I called myself the son of God does that make it true?
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| User: "Anachron" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus was born Jewish, wasn't He? |
15 Aug 2004 10:36:09 PM |
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"Paul Abeles" <abeles@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"ArWeGod" <ArWeGod?@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Y5nPc.5529$AY5.94@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
So, if I understand it correctly, Jesus was Son of God. Also, Jesus was
Jewish. Therefore the Son of God, who is also God Himself, is a Jew. If
one
of the Trinity of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost is Jewish
aren't
they all Jewish?
I'm not saying that the Saviour of Mankind, Son of God can't bring new
knowledge to the human race...
But He was born as the perfect son of God, wasn't he born Jewish? Did
that
change Him when He preached to others? When he hung out with sinners,
"because that's where the sins are", did He become another religion?
Is Jesus, who never died and never sinned, Jewish?
Under Jewish religious law the person called Jesus in the New Testament
was
born Jewish, and died Jewish.
There is some evidence that Jesus existed, there is no evidence that God
exists or existed.
If I called myself the son of God does that make it true?
If Jesus believed in himself then he must have been a Jewish heretic. If
*God* appears on Earth in human forms wouldn't his poll ratings be at least
50%?
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Rev. Anachron
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus was born Jewish, wasn't He? |
16 Aug 2004 01:42:00 AM |
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"Anachron" <AnachronNospam@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Paul Abeles" <abeles@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"ArWeGod" <ArWeGod?@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Y5nPc.5529$AY5.94@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
So, if I understand it correctly, Jesus was Son of God. Also, Jesus
was
Jewish. Therefore the Son of God, who is also God Himself, is a Jew.
If
one
of the Trinity of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost is Jewish
aren't
they all Jewish?
I'm not saying that the Saviour of Mankind, Son of God can't bring new
knowledge to the human race...
But He was born as the perfect son of God, wasn't he born Jewish? Did
that
change Him when He preached to others? When he hung out with sinners,
"because that's where the sins are", did He become another religion?
Is Jesus, who never died and never sinned, Jewish?
Under Jewish religious law the person called Jesus in the New Testament
was
born Jewish, and died Jewish.
There is some evidence that Jesus existed, there is no evidence that God
exists or existed.
What evidence is that?
If I called myself the son of God does that make it true?
If Jesus believed in himself then he must have been a Jewish heretic. If
*God* appears on Earth in human forms wouldn't his poll ratings be at
least
50%?
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Rev. Anachron
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| User: "James" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus was born Jewish, wasn't He? |
17 Aug 2004 03:14:00 PM |
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 08:40:24 GMT, "ArWeGod" <ArWeGod?@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
So, if I understand it correctly, Jesus was Son of God. Also, Jesus was
Jewish. Therefore the Son of God, who is also God Himself, is a Jew.
Hello,
The Bible does not say that Jesus is God. Jesus himself clearly said
that God was greater than he was. Joh 14:28,
"You heard me say, `I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If
you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the
Father is greater than I." (NIV)
Also, if Jesus was God, then God's mind must be suffer from a multiple
personality disorder, since one part of His mind wouldn't know what
another part is doing. Mt 24:36,
"But of that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of heaven,
nor the Son, but the Father alone." (NAB)
No, God is 100% mentally stable, and always knows what every part of
Him is doing.
If one
of the Trinity of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost is Jewish aren't
they all Jewish?
As the couple of sample scriptures above show, Jesus is not God, thus
God does not exist as 'three', but rather as the Bible says, is "one".
De 6:4,
"Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God is one Lord:" (KJV)
Thus the truth based on God's written word the Bible is:
(a) Jesus as a human was born Jewish. Jesus was God's son, not ‘God
the Son'.
(b) God has no nationality since He was never born. (Ps 90:2) God is
"one".
(c) The Holy Spirit has no nationality since it is NOT a person. For
example, a person can be "filled" with it, (Lu 1:41) "baptized" with
it, (Mt 3:11) and "anointed" with it. (Acts 10:38)
The fact that it is personified no more makes it a person, than does
wisdom having "children", (Lu 7:35) or that water and blood can
"testify". (1 John 5:6-8)
Since one of the definitions of the original words "ruach" (Hebrew)
and "pneuma" (Greek) is:
'a force in motion'
Then it is in this way that the scriptures apply God's Holy Spirit. It
is the all-powerful force that He has to accomplish His will, whether
it is bringing about creation, or fulfilling prophecies, etc.
Yes, the Trinity doctrine has no foundation in Scripture. As this
encyclopedia states:
"Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears
in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to
contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord
our God is one Lord' (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed
gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . .
By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took
substantially the form it has maintained ever since." (1976, The New
Encyclopædia Britannica, Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.)
Sincerely, James
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I'm not saying that the Saviour of Mankind, Son of God can't bring new
knowledge to the human race...
But He was born as the perfect son of God, wasn't he born Jewish? Did that
change Him when He preached to others? When he hung out with sinners,
"because that's where the sins are", did He become another religion?
Is Jesus, who never died and never sinned, Jewish?
...and did you have a nice BLT lately?
;-)
--
ArWeSinners
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| User: "Cardinal Vertigo" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus was born Jewish, wasn't He? |
03 Aug 2004 10:08:54 AM |
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ArWeGod wrote:
So, if I understand it correctly, Jesus was Son of God. Also, Jesus was
Jewish. Therefore the Son of God, who is also God Himself, is a Jew. If one
of the Trinity of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost is Jewish aren't
they all Jewish?
I'm not saying that the Saviour of Mankind, Son of God can't bring new
knowledge to the human race...
But He was born as the perfect son of God, wasn't he born Jewish? Did that
change Him when He preached to others? When he hung out with sinners,
"because that's where the sins are", did He become another religion?
Is Jesus, who never died and never sinned, Jewish?
He was born Jewish, but practiced Christianity.
--
"I recognize that many physicists are smarter than I am... I console
myself with the thought that although they may be smarter and may be
deeper thinkers than I am, I have broader interests than they have."
- Linus Pauling
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus was born Jewish, wasn't He? |
02 Aug 2004 05:00:57 AM |
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In article <Y5nPc.5529$AY5.94@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
"ArWeGod" <ArWeGod?@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
So, if I understand it correctly, Jesus was Son of God. Also, Jesus was
Jewish. Therefore the Son of God, who is also God Himself, is a Jew. If one
of the Trinity of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost is Jewish aren't
they all Jewish?
The syllogism works logically, but it means nothing. You're dealing
exclusively in the realm of myth, which is simply stories that have no
factual basis. Figuring out the logic of the Bible is like reading "Lord
of the Rings" and deciding who Gandalf's brother was.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Liz" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus was born Jewish, wasn't He? |
02 Aug 2004 06:09:52 AM |
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 08:40:24 GMT, "ArWeGod" <ArWeGod?@sbcglobal.net>
in news message <Y5nPc.5529$AY5.94@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com> wrote:
So, if I understand it correctly, Jesus was Son of God. Also, Jesus was
Jewish. Therefore the Son of God, who is also God Himself, is a Jew. If one
of the Trinity of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost is Jewish aren't
they all Jewish?
Maternity, not paternity, is the determination of Jewishness.
Therefore, since Mary was a Jew, her offspring were Jews. This, of
course, only applies to the incarnate portion of the Godhead®. (I
love the word Godhead® for some reason.) Since the Father® and the
HS, who was purportedly the proximate cause of Mary's pregnancy, but
is not considered the Father®, were not corporeal beings they didn't
have a Jewish mother and are consequently not Jewish. However, since
Jesus *was Jewish, at least one-third of the Godhead® (there's that
word again) was technically Jewish although I'm not sure that one
could actually pinpoint the Jewish parts, other than Jesus'
circumcised penis, of course, which, according to the Gospels, wasn't
used for anything very interesting.
I'm not saying that the Saviour of Mankind, Son of God can't bring new
knowledge to the human race...
. . . or do anything much else for that matter. But let's not talk
about that right now.
But He was born as the perfect son of God, wasn't he born Jewish? Did that
change Him when He preached to others? When he hung out with sinners,
"because that's where the sins are", did He become another religion?
God®s can do whatever their followers want, it seems.
Is Jesus, who never died and never sinned, Jewish?
What religion was Zeus?
...and did you have a nice BLT lately?
;-)
Liz #658 BAAWA
There is no way, even in principle, to distinguish one
supernatural explanation from another. -- "Hiero5ant"
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus was born Jewish, wasn't He? |
02 Aug 2004 06:45:48 AM |
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"Liz" <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 08:40:24 GMT, "ArWeGod" <ArWeGod?@sbcglobal.net>
in news message <Y5nPc.5529$AY5.94@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com> wrote:
So, if I understand it correctly, Jesus was Son of God. Also, Jesus was
Jewish. Therefore the Son of God, who is also God Himself, is a Jew. If
one
of the Trinity of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost is Jewish
aren't
they all Jewish?
Maternity, not paternity, is the determination of Jewishness.
Therefore, since Mary was a Jew, her offspring were Jews. This, of
course, only applies to the incarnate portion of the Godhead®. (I
love the word Godhead® for some reason.) Since the Father® and the
HS, who was purportedly the proximate cause of Mary's pregnancy, but
is not considered the Father®, were not corporeal beings they didn't
have a Jewish mother and are consequently not Jewish. However, since
Jesus *was Jewish, at least one-third of the Godhead® (there's that
word again) was technically Jewish although I'm not sure that one
could actually pinpoint the Jewish parts, other than Jesus'
circumcised penis, of course, which, according to the Gospels, wasn't
used for anything very interesting.
I'm not saying that the Saviour of Mankind, Son of God can't bring new
knowledge to the human race...
. . . or do anything much else for that matter. But let's not talk
about that right now.
But He was born as the perfect son of God, wasn't he born Jewish? Did
that
change Him when He preached to others? When he hung out with sinners,
"because that's where the sins are", did He become another religion?
God®s can do whatever their followers want, it seems.
Is Jesus, who never died and never sinned, Jewish?
What religion was Zeus?
Hmmm Greek? =P
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| User: "Mike Vanecek" |
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02 Aug 2004 07:42:08 AM |
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 11:09:52 GMT, Liz wrote:
However, since
Jesus *was Jewish, at least one-third of the Godhead® (there's that
word again) was technically Jewish although I'm not sure that one
could actually pinpoint the Jewish parts, other than Jesus'
circumcised penis, of course, which, according to the Gospels, wasn't
used for anything very interesting.
Uhm, I thought he married Mary and had a daughter Sarah?
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Thanks, Mike.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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02 Aug 2004 09:02:51 PM |
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On 2 Aug 2004 07:42:08 -0500, Mike Vanecek <MikeV99@privacy.net>
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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 11:09:52 GMT, Liz wrote:
However, since
Jesus *was Jewish, at least one-third of the Godhead® (there's that
word again) was technically Jewish although I'm not sure that one
could actually pinpoint the Jewish parts, other than Jesus'
circumcised penis, of course, which, according to the Gospels, wasn't
used for anything very interesting.
Uhm, I thought he married Mary and had a daughter Sarah?
No, that was Jesus' brother Bob.
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| User: "Rev. 11D Ricardo MadGello" |
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02 Aug 2004 06:26:19 AM |
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y'all are so fucked-up...
Bajeezuss Was Fucking Booish!
All those fucked-up translators of DUH BIBBLE
Had their B's and J's totally mixed up.
So, now we're on the same page.
GOD isn't spelled GOD
GOD is spelled BOG!
And, in retrospect, "BOB" isn't spelled "BOB" either!
Can you say 4/1/2005?
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| User: "kathryn" |
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02 Aug 2004 06:45:51 AM |
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"Rev. 11D Ricardo MadGello" <visualize.whirled.peas@sweet.*****.juice> wrote
in message news:vxpPc.13430$UN2.439@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
y'all are so fucked-up...
Bajeezuss Was Fucking Booish!
All those fucked-up translators of DUH BIBBLE
Had their B's and J's totally mixed up.
So, now we're on the same page.
GOD isn't spelled GOD
GOD is spelled BOG!
And, in retrospect, "BOB" isn't spelled "BOB" either!
Can you say 4/1/2005?
Do you mean 4 January or 1 April?
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| User: "Rev. 11D Ricardo MadGello" |
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02 Aug 2004 07:06:22 AM |
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"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote in message
news:cel9hd$bpl$2@titan.btinternet.com...
"Rev. 11D Ricardo MadGello" <visualize.whirled.peas@sweet.*****.juice>
wrote
in message news:vxpPc.13430$UN2.439@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
y'all are so fucked-up...
Bajeezuss Was Fucking Booish!
All those fucked-up translators of DUH BIBBLE
Had their B's and J's totally mixed up.
So, now we're on the same page.
GOD isn't spelled GOD
GOD is spelled BOG!
And, in retrospect, "BOB" isn't spelled "BOB" either!
Can you say 4/1/2005?
Do you mean 4 January or 1 April?
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| User: "Merlin" |
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02 Aug 2004 11:16:02 AM |
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racism in europe and anti semetism is rome created christianity out of
the jewish religion separate and different seeming to the christian
racists that created christianity. changing the worship day from
sunday on purpose and insisting that people worship a man and someone
other than yahway by tricking people into saying that this new god was
the old god in disquise, when these jesus laws of the jews were broken
the tie to jesus is rended useless for the lack of understanding of what
made jesus jesus. this is how we have come to see christianity as a
warrior religion and not one of peace and love as jesus message might
suggest.
in love,
merlin
In article <Y5nPc.5529$AY5.94@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
"ArWeGod" <ArWeGod?@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
So, if I understand it correctly, Jesus was Son of God. Also, Jesus was
Jewish. Therefore the Son of God, who is also God Himself, is a Jew. If one
of the Trinity of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost is Jewish aren't
they all Jewish?
I'm not saying that the Saviour of Mankind, Son of God can't bring new
knowledge to the human race...
But He was born as the perfect son of God, wasn't he born Jewish? Did that
change Him when He preached to others? When he hung out with sinners,
"because that's where the sins are", did He become another religion?
Is Jesus, who never died and never sinned, Jewish?
...and did you have a nice BLT lately?
;-)
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| User: "mrmalins" |
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03 Aug 2004 10:24:37 AM |
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"Merlin" <Merlin@tuna.net> wrote in message
news:Merlin-179335.12160202082004@pat.cis.cuny.edu...
In article <Y5nPc.5529$AY5.94@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
"ArWeGod" <ArWeGod?@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
So, if I understand it correctly, Jesus was Son of God. Also, Jesus was
Jewish. Therefore the Son of God, who is also God Himself, is a Jew. If
one
of the Trinity of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost is Jewish
aren't
they all Jewish?
I'm not saying that the Saviour of Mankind, Son of God can't bring new
knowledge to the human race...
But He was born as the perfect son of God, wasn't he born Jewish? Did
that
change Him when He preached to others? When he hung out with sinners,
"because that's where the sins are", did He become another religion?
Is Jesus, who never died and never sinned, Jewish?
...and did you have a nice BLT lately?
;-) since you have brought up the subject of Jesus being Jewish, I
often wonder why he has always been portrayed in the west,as a tall blond
rather effeminate figure,when in fact as a Jewish carpenter he would have
been like any other building worker of that time, short, dark haired,well
built with hands that could lift up heavy timbers.which of course he did
when carrying the cross to his crucifixion john.m
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