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The Story of the New Jersey Doctor Who Helped Kill Prisoners at
Buchenwald in the Name of Eugenics
By Edwin Black
Mr. Black is the author of IBM and the Holocaust and the just released
War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a
Master Race.
The "Little Camp"-the isolation and quarantine section of Buchenwald.
Block 57. One morning in late May 1944.
Three-tiered geometric wooden boxes lined the barrack. Each shelf
housed as many as sixteen emaciated humans. A thirsty and exhausted
Frenchman named Oliv struggled to climb down from the top for his
day's work. But he was too weak. As Oliv lay limp, a fat, well-fed
inmate doctor walked in.
The other French prisoners pleaded with the doctor that Oliv was too
ill to work and suffered from severe rheumatism. He needed medical
attention. A small infirmary, stocked with medicines and called "the
hospital," had been established in the Little Camp. The doctor
controlled access to the facility and the drugs. Those admitted to the
hospital could be excused from work until nursed back to working
strength-and thereby live another day.
But the doctor, himself a prisoner yet reviled as a barbaric stooge of
the SS, was known for refusing admission to the hospital except to
those he favored--or those who could bribe their way in with relief
packets. Most of all, the doctor hated the French communists. They--
and their diseases--were everywhere in the Little Camp. The doctor
believed that each inferior national group was a carrier of its own
specific set of diseases. Frenchmen, he thought, brought in diphtheria
and related throat diseases as well as scarlet fever. Simply put, the
Little Camp doctor was unwilling to use his limited hospital to lessen
the prisoners' loads, extend their lives or relieve their suffering.
The prisoners' job was to work. His job was to ensure they kept
working--until they could work no more.
Furious and impatient, the Little Camp doctor pushed the others out of
the way, stepped onto the lowest of the three tiers, reached up and
grabbed Oliv's foot as it dangled over the edge. He then yanked Oliv
over the short sideboard and down the eight feet to the floor. Oliv
tumbled to the floor like a doll, cracking his skull. Blood soaked
down the back of his shirt. As the life seeped out of Oliv, his
comrades hauled him onto the lowest bunk, and then hurried out to
their backbreaking labors at the quarry. When they came back to Block
57 that night, Oliv was dead. Next to the bathroom was a makeshift
morgue; they moved his body there. Later, Oliv's body waited its turn
at the crematorium.
The French inmates of the Little Camp never forgot the brutality the
doctor showed them, while exhibiting seemingly incongruous medical
compassion to others. They never forgot that while most of them were
worked and starved into skeletons, the doctor ate well. Many prisoners
lost 40 percent of their weight shortly after arriving in the Little
Camp. But the doctor arrived at Buchenwald fat and stayed fat. No one
could understand how a talented physician could render his skills so
effectively to some, while allowing others to die horrible deaths.
After Buchenwald was liberated in April of 1945, the stories about Dr.
Edwin Katzen-Ellenbogen emerged. He was accused of murdering a
thousand prisoners by injection.
The United States military conducted war crimes trials at Dachau for a
variety of lesser-known concentration camp Nazis and their inmate
collaborators, especially the medical killers. Katzen-Ellenbogen was
among them, and was found guilty of war crimes, right along with the
other so-called "butchers of Buchenwald." He was sentenced to a long
term in prison. The court finding, however, was not an easy one. It
was complicated by conflicting stories of Katzen-Ellenbogen's
outstanding academic background and prewar record.
Many found Dr. Katzen-Ellenbogen and the many lives he led
incomprehensible. How could he alternately function as a gifted
psychiatrist and as a murderous man of medicine? At the time, none
understood that Katzen-Ellenbogen viewed humanity with multiple
standards. He was an American eugenicist. Nor was he just any
eugenicist. Katzen-Ellenbogen was a founding member of the prestigious
but pro-Nazi Eugenics Research Association headquartered at the
Carnegie Institution and the chief eugenicist of New Jersey under then-
Governor Woodrow Wilson.
A Superior Species
In the first years of the twentieth century, American eugenics
crusaded to create a superior species. The superior species the
eugenics movement sought was not just tall, strong, talented people.
In a throwback to the pre-Civil War era, eugenicists craved the blond,
blue-eyed Nordic types who had settled America in the previous
century. This group alone was fit to inherit the earth. In the
process, the movement intended to subtract Negroes, Indians,
Hispanics, East Europeans, Jews, dark-haired hill folk, poor people,
the infirm and really anyone classified outside the gentrified genetic
lines drawn up by American raceologists. After racist eugenics became
entrenched in American law and national health policy, including the
forced sterilization of thousands of Americans, the idea was
transplanted to Germany by the Rockefeller Foundation and other
American philanthropies intent on ethnic cleansing. Hitler discovered
American race politics and made it the scientific and juridical basis
of genocidal Nazi eugenics.
Katzen-Ellenbogen was a classic eugenicist. Viewing humanity through a
eugenic prism, he was capable of exhibiting great compassion toward
those he saw as superior, and great cruelty toward those he considered
genetically unfit. In Buchenwald, the French, with their Mediterranean
and African mixtures, were eugenically among the lowest, not really
worthy of life. At the same time, in Katzen-Ellenbogen's view, those
of Nordic or Aryan descent were treasured--to be helped and even
saved.
How did one of America's pioneer eugenicists wend his way from New
Jersey to Buchenwald's notorious Little Camp? The story begins in late
nineteenth-century Poland. Katzen-Ellenbogen was the name of a famous
line of Polish and Czech rabbis going back centuries. However, he--or
perhaps his immediate branch of the family--obscured any connection
with a Jewish heritage. Like many European Jews who had drifted from
tradition, he spelled his last name numerous ways, hyphenated and
unhyphenated, and sometimes even signed his name "Edwin K.
Ellenbogen." He was probably born as Edwin Wladyslaw Katzen-Ellenbogen
in approximately 1882, in Stanislawow, in Austrian-occupied Poland.
Katzen-Ellenbogen first studied at a Jesuit high school in Poland.
Then he attended the University of Leipzig, where he secured his
medical degree in 1905. While in medical school, he became engaged to
a girl from Massachusetts, Marie A. Pierce, daughter of a judge and
scion of a prominent family of Americans dating back to the Minutemen.
In 1905, Katzen-Ellenbogen sailed for America, settling briefly in
Massachusetts, where he married Marie. He added "Marie" to his various
middle names, and utilized her family's connections to further his
academic pursuits. Various letters of introduction were provided, as
was the money Katzen-Ellenbogen needed to continue his university work
in Europe. There he studied psychiatry with some of the best names in
the field, during the formative years of the profession, and he also
learned the mystifying medical art of hypnosis.
In 1907, Katzen-Ellenbogen returned to the United States, where he was
naturalized as a citizen and started work in state institutions, such
as the Danvers State Hospital of Massachusetts. One of the early
exponents of Freud in America, Katzen-Ellenbogen became a Harvard
lecturer in abnormal psychology. He developed expertise on fake
symptoms, authoring an article on the topic in the Journal of Abnormal
Psychology.
His expert testimony was pivotal in convicting a murderer who claimed
diminished capacity due to an epileptic attack; the convicted man was
electrocuted in 1912. Epilepsy became one of his specialties, and he
was appointed co-editor the international quarterly, Epilepsia.
In 1911, Woodrow Wilson became governor of New Jersey. Katzen-
Ellenbogen was asked to become scientific director of the State
Village for Epileptics at Skillman, New Jersey. It was there that he
would develop his eugenic interests. "While there," recalled Katzen-
Ellenbogen, "I particularly studied...the hereditary background of
epilepsy." As the state's leading expert, Katzen-Ellenbogen was then
asked by Wilson to draft New Jersey's law to forcibly sterilize
epileptics and defectives. In the process, Katzen-Ellenbogen became an
expert on legal and legislative safeguards and jurisprudence.
In 1913, Katzen-Ellenbogen became charter member #14 of the Eugenics
Research Association at the Carnegie Institution's Cold Spring Harbor
lab complex. The eugenics movement, spearheaded by the Eugenics
Research Association, campaigned around the world to create a master
Nordic race and sterilize or segregate all other humans out of
existence. The doctor continued his active membership in the ERA even
after he sailed for Russia in 1915, never to return to the United
States.
Katzen-Ellenbogen bounced around the capitals of Europe for the next
few years. He was about to board a ship in Holland when he received a
telegram informing him that his only son had died in America after
falling from a roof. Katzen-Ellenbogen was never the same. He became
morose and introspective, questioning the value of human life, at
least his own. "I contemplated to offer myself as physician to the
leprosy colony in the upper State of New York," he recounted. He also
considered suicide.
In 1925, Katzen-Ellenbogen developed a relationship with a woman named
Olga. She described him as "the companion of my life." He described
her as "my old housekeeper." By any measure, Katzen-Ellenbogen
developed deep parental feelings for Olga's two orphaned grandsons,
and raised them as though they were his own.
They were living in Germany when Hitler rose to power. Despite his
Catholic observances, after the 1935 Nuremberg Laws Katzen-Ellenbogen
found himself defined as Jewish. Like many practicing Christians of
Jewish ancestry, he followed a typical route of flight evading fascist
persecution. First, he crossed into Czechoslovakia, then Italy, then
France. After war broke out in September of 1939, he escaped to
France. But when the Nazis bifurcated France in 1940, Katzen-
Ellenbogen was caught in the occupied zone in Paris. Like many
foreigners living in Nazi-occupied Paris, Katzen-Ellenbogen was
ultimately arrested several times for questioning. The final knock on
the door came at six in the morning, in the late summer of 1943, when
Nazi security agents came for him.
Many eugenicists considered Nazi racial policies a biological ideal.
Katzen-Ellenbogen discounted his Jewish ancestry, considering himself
a eugenicist first and foremost. This made him different, and almost
appealing to the Gestapo. The war-stretched Nazis needed doctors,
especially in occupied lands. As a distinguished physician and
psychiatrist who spoke German and also enjoyed American citizenship,
Katzen-Ellenbogen became very useful to both the Gestapo and the
Wehrmacht. Though a prisoner, he was twice brought to the Reich
military prison in France to examine a German soldier suffering from
mental problems. Katzen-Ellenbogen even testified as an expert at the
soldier's court martial.
Katzen-Ellenbogen found himself in a somewhat unique position. "I was
the only doctor in France, a psychiatrist," he recalled, "who was
[also] qualified in Germany as a doctor, and they didn't have anybody
[with those skills] in the army." Eventually, the overworked regular
German army doctor visiting the military prison asked Katzen-
Ellenbogen, "As you speak French anyway and other languages, relieve
me here. And when something very important happens, they can telephone
for me." Thus, Katzen-Ellenbogen became a general practitioner for the
German military in Paris even as he remained in custody. Eventually,
Katzen-Ellenbogen's services were requested for German military men
outside the prison. But in September of 1943, when orders came from
Berlin to transfer prisoners in France to slave labor camps in the
Reich, Katzen-Ellenbogen was put on a train and shipped to the dreaded
Buchenwald.
Buchenwald functioned for two purposes: to inflict cruelty on the
Nazis' enemies and to systematically work its inmates to death in
service of the Reich--in that order. In the hierarchy of Hell,
Buchenwald was considered among the worst of Nazi labor camps.
Hundreds, often thousands, of people died within its confines each
week from beatings, disease, starvation, exhaustion or execution.
Cruel and painful medical experiments were conducted at Buchenwald,
especially in Block 46, known for its frosted windows and restricted
access. Nazi physicians deliberately infected prisoners with typhus,
converting their bodies into so many living test tubes, kept alive
only as convenient hosts for the virus. Doctors then carefully
observed the progress of the disease in order to help evaluate
potential vaccines. Some six hundred men died from such infections. In
addition, Russian POWs were deliberately burned with phosphorus to
observe their reactions to drugs. Those who survived these heinous
tests, or otherwise outlived their usefulness, were often murdered
with injections of phenol.
Large electric lifts continuously shuttled corpses to waiting
crematoria, which operated ten hours a day and produced prodigious
heaps of white ash. Death was an hourly event at Buchenwald--
ultimately more than 50,000 perished. But before the victims were
burned, they performed additional service to the Reich. Pathologists
in Block 2 dissected some 35,000 corpses so their body parts could be
studied and then stored in various jars on shelves.
Nuremberg Trial judges denounced "conditions so ghastly that they defy
description. The proof...would shame the most primitive race of savage
barbarians. All the instincts of human decency, which distinguished
men from beasts were forgotten, and the law of the jungle took
command. If there is such a thing as a crime against humanity, here we
have it repeated a million times over."
Most new arrivals at Buchenwald were instantly shocked by the camp's
brutality and the physical cruelty heaped upon them by the guards. But
Katzen-Ellenbogen seemed fascinated. Recalling his first moments in
the camp, he said, "I was really amazed about the efficiency and
quickness about everything that happened there." He added, "We were
treated not badly there." Katzen-Ellenbogen was in fact privileged
from the moment he entered the camp. While other prisoners at that
time were forced into tattered zebra-stripe uniforms, the doctor was
permitted to wear civilian attire, including a three-piece suit and
tie. Yet he complained that the shirt with its button-down collar was
too small, and the trousers too long. His warm furry hat and medical
armband gave him a distinctive look as he toured the barracks.
Early on, Buchenwald administrators learned through the prisoner
grapevine about Katzen-Ellenbogen's helpfulness to the Gestapo in
France. He quickly became a trusted prisoner to the camp's medical
staff, as well as its SS officers, especially chief camp doctor
Gerhard Schiedlausky. Katzen-Ellenbogen announced to everyone that he
was an American doctor from New Jersey, and a skilled hypnotist to
boot. None of this failed to impress the camp administrators, who
often referred to him by the name Dr. K. Ellenbogen. One senior Nazi
medic dared Katzen-Ellenbogen to demonstrate his skill as a hypnotist.
A test subject was brought over, and within five minutes Katzen-
Ellenbogen successfully placed him in a trance.
Thereafter, Katzen-Ellenbogen was assigned to the hospital at the
Little Camp, which functioned as the segregated new prisoner intake
unit. Unlike the other inmates who slept sixteen-deep on stark wooden
shelves and were fed starvation rations, Katzen-Ellenbogen enjoyed a
private room with a real bed shared with only one other block trustee.
He ate plenty of vegetables and even meat purchased through black
market sources in Weimar. From time to time, he even cooked his own
meals, an almost unimaginable prisoner luxury. The doctor was able to
count SS and Gestapo officers among his friends even as fellow
prisoners detested him and despised their Nazi taskmasters. He was
widely believed to be a Gestapo spy.
One day in mid-1944, the camp doctor, Schiedlausky, summoned Katzen-
Ellenbogen to the SS hospital. "You're a hypnotizer," said
Schiedlausky with distress, "You're a psychotherapist. Save me." In
the midst of the human depravity he oversaw, Schiedlausky had become
unable to sleep. Self-administered drugs were no help. Katzen-
Ellenbogen replied, "I can help you only, Doctor, if you will forget
that I am a prisoner and you are the SS doctor." Schiedlausky
collegially replied, "Naturally."
As Katzen-Ellenbogen analyzed Schiedlausky's dreams, he concluded that
the SS doctor's mind was troubled by a great burden. "Unless you are
willing to tell me what it is," Katzen-Ellenbogen told him, "no
further treatment would be of value." Schiedlausky answered, "You're
right, but I can't tell you." At one point Katzen-Ellenbogen came upon
Schiedlausky weeping uncontrollably and consoled the man. Katzen-
Ellenbogen continued to treat Schiedlausky, whose mental state
deteriorated. Soon Katzen-Ellenbogen was exercising great influence
over the camp doctor.
Schiedlausky was so impressed with Katzen-Ellenbogen that he asked him
to treat other SS men unable to sleep because of their murderous
deeds. Even though Katzen-Ellenbogen was a prisoner, the Nazis opened
up to him. For example, a bloodthirsty Austrian-born SS lieutenant
name Dumb=F6ck admitted to Katzen-Ellenbogen that he was haunted day and
night by the ghosts of at least forty men he had personally beaten to
death. As though confessing to a priest, Dumb=F6ck admitted that
sometimes when he caught someone stealing vegetables from the garden,
he just "[couldn't] control himself." It would typically begin as an
urge to only slap the prisoner, but then Dumb=F6ck would begin jumping
on the man's body until his ribs caved in. Katzen-Ellenbogen helped
Dumb=F6ck realize why he could not sleep: the killings. "That's it
exactly," Dumb=F6ck agreed. Dumb=F6ck was so grateful that he granted
Katzen-Ellenbogen special privileges--ironically, to the vegetables in
the garden.
Back at the Little Camp, Katzen-Ellenbogen administered cruel
medicine. He forced Frenchmen to exercise in the frigid outdoors
without their scarves and often without their shirts--this to "cure"
infected throats. He smuggled in needed medicines through the SS
medics but then sold them for money or favors. Such extortions allowed
him to deposit some 50,000 francs into a camp bank account. He also
cached large quantities of Danish food, medicines and cigarettes in
his bedroom, mainly pilfered from the Danish Red Cross packets turned
over by the sick and injured.
Denying medical treatment was an entrenched eugenic practice at the
state institutions Katzen-Ellenbogen was familiar with in
Massachusetts and New Jersey. In those institutions, eugenic
psychiatrists felt that medical care only kept alive those whom nature
intended to die off. Katzen-Ellenbogen applied the same principles in
Buchenwald.
Katzen-Ellenbogen capriciously decided who entered the hospital.
Another camp doctor confirmed in court, "It depended on Katzen-
Ellenbogen whether a certain person would be admitted into the little
hospital...or in the main hospital." A Czech doctor added, "If he
[Katzen-Ellenbogen] found a man with appendicitis or pneumonia and
said, 'I will not send you to the hospital,' then the man would not
get through because he, Dr. Katzen-Ellenbogen, was the only medical
liaison [in the Little Camp]."
Katzen-Ellenbogen himself casually admitted at his trial, "We
selected.... Let's say there were 35 [needing hospitalization, and I was
told] there are only 17 free [beds]. Which 17 should have preference
for immediate hospitalization?" He held the power of life and death
over those who desperately needed his help, and Katzen-Ellenbogen
sadistically exercised this power every day.
When French prisoners approached, Katzen-Ellenbogen often chased them
away, slapped and punched them, or simply "beat them with any
instrument handy." Other inmates who were physicians would sometimes
complain that Katzen-Ellenbogen stocked the necessary medicines, but
that the Little Camp doctor would snarl that they were in Buchenwald
to "die like dogs--not to be cured."
Failure to be hospitalized also bestowed a death sentence because it
often facilitated assignment to the fatal work details at the nearby
V-2 missile works at Dora. Dora's death rate was among the highest of
any of the thousands of labor camps and subcamps in all of Nazi-
occupied Europe. Transports from Buchenwald regularly delivered
thousands of prisoners at a time, and some twenty thousand died in
backbreaking labor.
At his trial Katzen-Ellenbogen was asked by prosecutors, "The
personnel in the Medical Department...certainly knew that Dora was a
death commando, isn't that so?" Katzen-Ellenbogen replied, "I should
guess so."
Prisoners reported that Katzen-Ellenbogen actually encouraged
unsuspecting French inmates to volunteer for "death details." In one
instance, a Frenchman discovered the ruse and warned comrades to
remove their names from the volunteer roster. Katzen-Ellenbogen
reported the Frenchman who spread the warning and the prisoner was
brutally punished.
Camp medical men did more than just withhold treatment. Many actively
participated in the murder process itself. Katzen-Ellenbogen was
publicly accused of finishing off a thousand men with injections. The
fact that thousands were killed by a 20cc injection of phenol was
amply proved. But there were no witnesses to corroborate that Katzen-
Ellenbogen was among the medics who wielded the hypodermics. When the
subject of injections was brought up in court, Katzen-Ellenbogen
nonchalantly testified that the allegation against him was just that--
an allegation in the newspapers that could not be proved.
However, Katzen-Ellenbogen's guilt-ridden colleague, camp doctor
Schiedlausky, did admit his involvement in the injections as well as
the other medical atrocities that took place in Block 61. Katzen-
Ellenbogen denied claims that because of the hypnotic trances, he
exercised a "sinister influence" over Schiedlausky that could have
made a difference. Prosecutors charged, "You could have stopped it, is
that correct?"
With typical insouciance, Katzen-Ellenbogen replied, "Not that I could
stop it, but that I would do my best, and I think that I would have
succeeded to persuade Schiedlausky not to 'burn his fingers.'"
Prosecutors shot back, "Well, isn't it a fact, doctor, that you
[previously] testified that you would have had enough influence that
his extermination of prisoners in Block 61 would never have happened?"
Katzen-Ellenbogen admitted, "Yes, I said it before. It is the same
thing I just said."
Q: Well, then, you certainly were able to exercise a considerable
power over Schiedlausky, is that not correct?
A: I wouldn't use the word "power." Influence, yes.
Q: Well, was there any other man in Buchenwald that could exercise
that same influence over Schiedlausky?
A: Probably not, because Schiedlausky was a very secretive man, who,
for instance, didn't say anything to anybody, even his colleagues...Due
to the fact that he was a patient of mine-I have a certain influence
of psycho-analysis which is exercised over a patient."
But ghastly science continued in Block 61. Heinous surgical procedures
involving eye color and corneas were among the experiments performed
by Nazi eugenicists operating in concentration camps.
Katzen-Ellenbogen claimed that he did not participate in the painful
experiments and euthanasia at Buchenwald--only pure research. One Nazi
doctor, Werner Greunuss, received life imprisonment for his activities
at Buchenwald. While admitting that he assisted Greunuss, Katzen-
Ellenbogen explained, "I conducted with him scientific research about
vision." Nothing further was proved about Katzen-Ellenbogen's
involvement with eye research. The eyewitnesses did not exist.
Katzen-Ellenbogen did engage in other experimental medical activity,
however. He regularly applied his skills as an accomplished hypnotist,
including posthypnotic suggestions. For example, there were the
bedwetters. In a hell where Katzen-Ellenbogen regularly ignored the
severest diseases, injuries and afflictions, the doctor took an
inexplicably keen interest in enuresis, or bedwetting. Many young
boys, gripped by fright and mistreatment, urinated uncontrollably at
night. These boys were brought to the doctor, who placed them under
hypnotic suggestion to cure their problem. But prisoners openly
accused Katzen-Ellenbogen of using his hypnotic skills to extract
information and confessions for the SS and Gestapo. In one case, a boy
in his late teens was brought in at 4 P.M. on a Sunday afternoon; he
was placed under a trance in the presence of other SS doctors. Katzen-
Ellenbogen in open court denied that he "was hypnotizing people in
order to extort confession of political prisoners and deliver them to
the Gestapo." Yet he was never able to explain why he rendered service
for bedwetters when he denied medical attention to so many others who
were dying.
Eugenics was always an undercurrent at Buchenwald. One block was known
as the Ahnenforschung barrack, or ancestral research barrack. It was
worked by a small detachment known as Kommando 22a, mainly Czech
prisoners, researching and assembling family trees of SS officers. SS
officers were required to document pure Aryan heredity. In addition,
the SS Race and Settlement Office was systematically sweeping through
Poland looking for Volksdeutsche, that is, persons of any German
ancestry. When this agency discovered Polish children eugenically
certified to have Aryan blood, the youngsters were kidnapped and
raised in "Germanized" Nazi environments. As a skilled and doctrinaire
eugenicist, Katzen-Ellenbogen was assigned to perform eugenic
examinations of Polish prisoners, seeking those fit for Germanization.
Eugenic certification saved them from extermination.
To protect those fit for Germanization, Katzen-Ellenbogen engaged in
all manner of medical charades. "So I manufactured all kinds of new
forms of insanity and made false reports about their condition," he
recalled. "As the invalids were not sent out at that time, they were
probably saved from being gassed at one of the extermination camps."
Katzen-Ellenbogen did not save others in a similar fashion, just the
fifty or so Polish prisoners he eugenically certified as possessing
Aryan qualities.
Katzen-Ellenbogen was an expert at faking symptoms. While on the
witness stand at his trial, he was asked if someone could be trained
to feign symptoms. He bragged, "To throw a fit? With training, he
could do it. I myself, for instance, could give a wonderful
performance in that respect." Asked if a specialist could be fooled,
Katzen-Ellenbogen rejoined, "Yes. But not a real specialist." Asked
again, Katzen-Ellenbogen repeated, "Not a real specialist."
Katzen-Ellenbogen was very sure of himself. When called to testify
against others in the so-called "Doctors Trial" at Nuremberg, his
usual brashness was more than evident. When a prosecutor asked when he
had joined the Nazi Party, Katzen-Ellenbogen snapped back, "When I was
in America, I never asked a ***** whether he had syphilis, only when
he got syphilis." Later he quipped, "That's about the same [as the]
question he put to me."
By any measure, the forgotten story of Katzen-Ellenbogen, an expert
American eugenicist in Buchenwald, is one that stands alone. Kogon
recalled it this way for prosecutors: "Katzen-Ellenbogen's power in
the Little Camp was...extraordinarily large one...He was the man who was
feared by the prisoners in the little camp as 'the man in the
background.' He had under his command the block doctors...and his
influence upon them was considerable."
Prosecutors found Katzen-Ellenbogen's record filled with
contradictions. He saved Polish men with German blood, he let
Frenchmen die before his eyes, and he sent thousands to their deaths
by not exempting them from death kommandos. He was a Nazi
collaborator; he was an eminent New Jersey doctor with Harvard
credentials. The haze around Katzen-Ellenbogen's record grew thicker
in the postwar chaos. Witnesses were unavailable--either returned home
or incinerated, the evidence was burned, and Nazi medical cohorts were
quick to support each other with glowing affidavits.
Moreover, Katzen-Ellenbogen was an expert on the fine points of
American jurisprudence--the standard applied to war crime trials. His
court record is riddled with procedural jousting as he corrected
prosecutors on what questions they were allowed to ask, and how
questions should be phrased. At one point the prosecutor asked, "So
that everything else, other than what you have qualified, has been of
your own personal knowledge?" The defendant replied, "Most of the
things I testified to was of my own personal knowledge. Still, I did
not say that everything I said is correct, because I know too well the
psychology of testimony."
In a typical exchange, the prosecutor attempted to poke holes in
Katzen-Ellenbogen's stories.
Q: Is it not a fact, doctor, that they were beaten two to three hours
later at Schebert's order?
A: I couldn't say yes or no to that. I refer once more to the well
known psychology of the testimony that if a man, month after month,
tells the same story, then he is lying.
Q: That is the reason you are not telling the same story?
A: Maybe so...I heard here so many testimonies, I am influenced. I made
in Harvard experiments of students [who] wanted to kill somebody and
they made a statement immediately and four weeks later. You would see
the discrepancy between the first and second statement. I am not above
that myself.
When it finally came time to sum up, Katzen-Ellenbogen virtually
commanded the judges to take the contradictions and inconsistencies
into account. From the witness box, he reminded the judges: "It is a
legal principle of all courts of all nations, the Romans as well in
that time, in dubio pre vero, which in the English says: 'give them
the benefit of the doubt.' That means if you are in doubt about my
guilt, you have to acquit me."
Then Katzen-Ellenbogen actually invited the judges to commit a
reversible error. "[But] I reverse that case," he continued. "If you
are in any doubt that I am not guilty, convict me because I would have
a chance then in higher court or any other place to defend myself in a
way that I perhaps didn't do here."
On August 14, 1947, in a Dachau barrack set up for war crimes trials,
Katzen-Ellenbogen stood, somewhat disheveled, before the military
tribunal. Flanked by three shiny-helmeted MPs, his shoelaces removed
to prevent suicide, bright lights above to aid the photographers,
Edwin Marie Katzen-Ellenbogen awaited his judgment.
Without evidence of specific murders, he could not be hanged, as were
other medical war criminals at Buchenwald.
Judgment: Guilty. Sentence: Life imprisonment.
Katzen-Ellenbogen appealed, issuing a pro se cascade of letters,
petitions and motions, stressing his American citizenship and desire
to help mankind. Upon review, his sentence was commuted to fifteen
years. Katzen-Ellenbogen then appealed for special clemency on the
grounds of "poor health." In July of 1950, a clemency board comprised
of three civilian attorneys reduced his sentence to just twelve years,
concluding, "Katzen-Ellenbogen's health is poor. He is suffering from
a coronary insufficiency causing severe myocardic damage, and a
chronic congestive heart failure."
Katzen-Ellenbogen had all the symptoms. After all, symptoms was his
specialty.
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08 Jul 2007 12:46:56 PM |
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In article <1183888177.491797.309570@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com says...
Mr. Black is the author of IBM and the Holocaust and the just released
War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a
Master Race.
Despite constant, fallacious attempt to create guilt by association
between the aims of eugenics and those of the Nazis, the fact is that
eugenic techniques have had and continue to have a positive effect upon
the world. Pre-implantation diagnosis, opposed by many Catholics and
other nutty christers, can screen for thousands of diseases and make sure
that healthier children are born, creating far less burden on society.
Other ailments which cannot be diagnosed at this stage should be dealt
with via eugenic abortion, at the parents option, and if they choose to
be so selfish and superstitious as to not abort then no medical,
educational or support resources should be given to the infants or their
parents. They can do it on their own dime, or turn to the churches for
help. I bet that would cause churches to do a 180 in a hurry, if they
thought they would actually have to put their money where their big,
ignorants mouths are.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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On Jul 8, 1:46 pm, quibbler <quibbler...@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <1183888177.491797.309...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
soundoftrum...@mailcan.com says...
Mr. Black is the author of IBM and the Holocaust and the just released
War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a
Master Race.
Despite constant, fallacious attempt to create guilt by association
between the aims of eugenics and those of the Nazis, the fact is that
eugenic techniques have had and continue to have a positive effect upon
the world. Pre-implantation diagnosis, opposed by many Catholics and
other nutty christers, can screen for thousands of diseases and make sure
that healthier children are born, creating far less burden on society.
Other ailments which cannot be diagnosed at this stage should be dealt
with via eugenic abortion, at the parents option, and if they choose to
be so selfish and superstitious as to not abort then no medical,
educational or support resources should be given to the infants or their
parents. They can do it on their own dime, or turn to the churches for
help. I bet that would cause churches to do a 180 in a hurry, if they
thought they would actually have to put their money where their big,
ignorants mouths are.
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Funny I said the same thing about a year ago.
Hatter
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08 Jul 2007 01:33:39 PM |
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quibbler wrote:
In article <1183888177.491797.309570@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com says...
Mr. Black is the author of IBM and the Holocaust and the just released
War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a
Master Race.
Despite constant, fallacious attempt to create guilt by association
between the aims of eugenics and those of the Nazis, the fact is that
eugenic techniques have had and continue to have a positive effect upon
the world.
I think one should distinguish between involuntary, government programs,
and individuals making their own voluntary choices. It is clearly a good
thing if individuals take into account things like the probabilities of
any children they conceive having genetic disorders when they decide
whether they should have children. It is equally clearly a bad thing if
the government interferes in their decision-making.
Pre-implantation diagnosis, opposed by many Catholics and
other nutty christers, can screen for thousands of diseases and make sure
that healthier children are born, creating far less burden on society.
Other ailments which cannot be diagnosed at this stage should be dealt
with via eugenic abortion, at the parents option, and if they choose to
be so selfish and superstitious as to not abort then no medical,
educational or support resources should be given to the infants or their
parents. They can do it on their own dime, or turn to the churches for
help. I bet that would cause churches to do a 180 in a hurry, if they
thought they would actually have to put their money where their big,
ignorants mouths are.
That looks like a reasonable policy proposal, and therefore has no chance.
--
Dan Clore
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08 Jul 2007 07:24:04 AM |
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On Jul 8, 10:49 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/offSiteArchive/hnn.us/index.html
The Story of the New Jersey Doctor Who Helped Kill Prisoners at
Buchenwald in the Name of Eugenics
So, that excuses all the Roman Catholics who did the same. I see.
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08 Jul 2007 11:24:40 AM |
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On 8 Jul, 13:24, "The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN."
<hugh.ja...@heathens.org.uk> wrote:
On Jul 8, 10:49 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/offSiteArchive/hnn.us/index.html
The Story of the New Jersey Doctor Who Helped Kill Prisoners at
Buchenwald in the Name of Eugenics
So, that excuses all the Roman Catholics who did the same. I see.
Indeed it does not, anyone who aids in any atrocity, regardless of
their religion (or lack of) should be held accountable as individuals
for their part in it.
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08 Jul 2007 02:24:30 PM |
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On Jul 8, 5:24 pm, SJAB1958 <balf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 8 Jul, 13:24, "The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN."
<hugh.ja...@heathens.org.uk> wrote:
On Jul 8, 10:49 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/offSiteArchive/hnn.us/index.html
The Story of the New Jersey Doctor Who Helped Kill Prisoners at
Buchenwald in the Name of Eugenics
So, that excuses all the Roman Catholics who did the same. I see.
Indeed it does not, anyone who aids in any atrocity, regardless of
their religion (or lack of) should be held accountable as individuals
for their part in it.
Whoosh!
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08 Jul 2007 01:28:46 PM |
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SJAB1958 wrote:
On 8 Jul, 13:24, "The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN."
<hugh.ja...@heathens.org.uk> wrote:
On Jul 8, 10:49 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/offSiteArchive/hnn.us/index.html
The Story of the New Jersey Doctor Who Helped Kill Prisoners at
Buchenwald in the Name of Eugenics
So, that excuses all the Roman Catholics who did the same. I see.
Indeed it does not, anyone who aids in any atrocity, regardless of
their religion (or lack of) should be held accountable as individuals
for their part in it.
Wow...thanks for explaining Hugh's post to me. I thought he was serious!
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10 Jul 2007 07:19:44 AM |
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On 8 Jul, 19:28, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
SJAB1958 wrote:
On 8 Jul, 13:24, "The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN."
<hugh.ja...@heathens.org.uk> wrote:
On Jul 8, 10:49 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/offSiteArchive/hnn.us/index.html
The Story of the New Jersey Doctor Who Helped Kill Prisoners at
Buchenwald in the Name of Eugenics
So, that excuses all the Roman Catholics who did the same. I see.
Indeed it does not, anyone who aids in any atrocity, regardless of
their religion (or lack of) should be held accountable as individuals
for their part in it.
Wow...thanks for explaining Hugh's post to me. I thought he was serious!
:P point taken, but serious or not I was merely offering my humble
opinion on the matter.
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08 Jul 2007 09:25:05 PM |
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The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN. <hugh.jarse@heathens.org.uk> wrote in message
news:1183897444.058363.266820@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 8, 10:49 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/offSiteArchive/hnn.us/index.html
The Story of the New Jersey Doctor Who Helped Kill Prisoners at
Buchenwald in the Name of Eugenics
So, that excuses all the Roman Catholics who did the same. I see.
Of course, then again, this 'jewish atheist' was raised and educated as a
Catholic, after all....
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08 Jul 2007 01:46:08 PM |
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On Jul 8, 10:49 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/offSiteArchive/hnn.us/index.html
The Story of the New Jersey Doctor Who Helped Kill Prisoners at
Buchenwald in the Name of Eugenics
By Edwin Black
Mr. Black is the author of IBM and the Holocaust and the just released
War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a
Master Race.
The "Little Camp"-the isolation and quarantine section of Buchenwald.
Block 57. One morning in late May 1944.
Three-tiered geometric wooden boxes lined the barrack. Each shelf
housed as many as sixteen emaciated humans. A thirsty and exhausted
Frenchman named Oliv struggled to climb down from the top for his
day's work. But he was too weak. As Oliv lay limp, a fat, well-fed
inmate doctor walked in.
The other French prisoners pleaded with the doctor that Oliv was too
ill to work and suffered from severe rheumatism. He needed medical
attention. A small infirmary, stocked with medicines and called "the
hospital," had been established in the Little Camp. The doctor
controlled access to the facility and the drugs. Those admitted to the
hospital could be excused from work until nursed back to working
strength-and thereby live another day.
But the doctor, himself a prisoner yet reviled as a barbaric stooge of
the SS, was known for refusing admission to the hospital except to
those he favored--or those who could bribe their way in with relief
packets. Most of all, the doctor hated the French communists. They--
and their diseases--were everywhere in the Little Camp. The doctor
believed that each inferior national group was a carrier of its own
specific set of diseases. Frenchmen, he thought, brought in diphtheria
and related throat diseases as well as scarlet fever. Simply put, the
Little Camp doctor was unwilling to use his limited hospital to lessen
the prisoners' loads, extend their lives or relieve their suffering.
The prisoners' job was to work. His job was to ensure they kept
working--until they could work no more.
Furious and impatient, the Little Camp doctor pushed the others out of
the way, stepped onto the lowest of the three tiers, reached up and
grabbed Oliv's foot as it dangled over the edge. He then yanked Oliv
over the short sideboard and down the eight feet to the floor. Oliv
tumbled to the floor like a doll, cracking his skull. Blood soaked
down the back of his shirt. As the life seeped out of Oliv, his
comrades hauled him onto the lowest bunk, and then hurried out to
their backbreaking labors at the quarry. When they came back to Block
57 that night, Oliv was dead. Next to the bathroom was a makeshift
morgue; they moved his body there. Later, Oliv's body waited its turn
at the crematorium.
The French inmates of the Little Camp never forgot the brutality the
doctor showed them, while exhibiting seemingly incongruous medical
compassion to others. They never forgot that while most of them were
worked and starved into skeletons, the doctor ate well. Many prisoners
lost 40 percent of their weight shortly after arriving in the Little
Camp. But the doctor arrived at Buchenwald fat and stayed fat. No one
could understand how a talented physician could render his skills so
effectively to some, while allowing others to die horrible deaths.
After Buchenwald was liberated in April of 1945, the stories about Dr.
Edwin Katzen-Ellenbogen emerged. He was accused of murdering a
thousand prisoners by injection.
The United States military conducted war crimes trials at Dachau for a
variety of lesser-known concentration camp Nazis and their inmate
collaborators, especially the medical killers. Katzen-Ellenbogen was
among them, and was found guilty of war crimes, right along with the
other so-called "butchers of Buchenwald." He was sentenced to a long
term in prison. The court finding, however, was not an easy one. It
was complicated by conflicting stories of Katzen-Ellenbogen's
outstanding academic background and prewar record.
Many found Dr. Katzen-Ellenbogen and the many lives he led
incomprehensible. How could he alternately function as a gifted
psychiatrist and as a murderous man of medicine? At the time, none
understood that Katzen-Ellenbogen viewed humanity with multiple
standards. He was an American eugenicist. Nor was he just any
eugenicist. Katzen-Ellenbogen was a founding member of the prestigious
but pro-Nazi Eugenics Research Association headquartered at the
Carnegie Institution and the chief eugenicist of New Jersey under then-
Governor Woodrow Wilson.
A Superior Species
In the first years of the twentieth century, American eugenics
crusaded to create a superior species. The superior species the
eugenics movement sought was not just tall, strong, talented people.
In a throwback to the pre-Civil War era, eugenicists craved the blond,
blue-eyed Nordic types who had settled America in the previous
century. This group alone was fit to inherit the earth. In the
process, the movement intended to subtract Negroes, Indians,
Hispanics, East Europeans, Jews, dark-haired hill folk, poor people,
the infirm and really anyone classified outside the gentrified genetic
lines drawn up by American raceologists. After racist eugenics became
entrenched in American law and national health policy, including the
forced sterilization of thousands of Americans, the idea was
transplanted to Germany by the Rockefeller Foundation and other
American philanthropies intent on ethnic cleansing. Hitler discovered
American race politics and made it the scientific and juridical basis
of genocidal Nazi eugenics.
Katzen-Ellenbogen was a classic eugenicist. Viewing humanity through a
eugenic prism, he was capable of exhibiting great compassion toward
those he saw as superior, and great cruelty toward those he considered
genetically unfit. In Buchenwald, the French, with their Mediterranean
and African mixtures, were eugenically among the lowest, not really
worthy of life. At the same time, in Katzen-Ellenbogen's view, those
of Nordic or Aryan descent were treasured--to be helped and even
saved.
How did one of America's pioneer eugenicists wend his way from New
Jersey to Buchenwald's notorious Little Camp? The story begins in late
nineteenth-century Poland. Katzen-Ellenbogen was the name of a famous
line of Polish and Czech rabbis going back centuries. However, he--or
perhaps his immediate branch of the family--obscured any connection
with a Jewish heritage. Like many European Jews who had drifted from
tradition, he spelled his last name numerous ways, hyphenated and
unhyphenated, and sometimes even signed his name "Edwin K.
Ellenbogen." He was probably born as Edwin Wladyslaw Katzen-Ellenbogen
in approximately 1882, in Stanislawow, in Austrian-occupied Poland.
Katzen-Ellenbogen first studied at a Jesuit high school in Poland.
Then he attended the University of Leipzig, where he secured his
medical degree in 1905. While in medical school, he became engaged to
a girl from Massachusetts, Marie A. Pierce, daughter of a judge and
scion of a prominent family of Americans dating back to the Minutemen.
In 1905, Katzen-Ellenbogen sailed for America, settling briefly in
Massachusetts, where he married Marie. He added "Marie" to his various
middle names, and utilized her family's connections to further his
academic pursuits. Various letters of introduction were provided, as
was the money Katzen-Ellenbogen needed to continue his university work
in Europe. There he studied psychiatry with some of the best names in
the field, during the formative years of the profession, and he also
learned the mystifying medical art of hypnosis.
In 1907, Katzen-Ellenbogen returned to the United States, where he was
naturalized as a citizen and started work in state institutions, such
as the Danvers State Hospital of Massachusetts. One of the early
exponents of Freud in America, Katzen-Ellenbogen became a Harvard
lecturer in abnormal psychology. He developed expertise on fake
symptoms, authoring an article on the topic in the Journal of Abnormal
Psychology.
His expert testimony was pivotal in convicting a murderer who claimed
diminished capacity due to an epileptic attack; the convicted man was
electrocuted in 1912. Epilepsy became one of his specialties, and he
was appointed co-editor the international quarterly, Epilepsia.
In 1911, Woodrow Wilson became governor of New Jersey. Katzen-
Ellenbogen was asked to become scientific director of the State
Village for Epileptics at Skillman, New Jersey. It was there that he
would develop his eugenic interests. "While there," recalled Katzen-
Ellenbogen, "I particularly studied...the hereditary background of
epilepsy." As the state's leading expert, Katzen-Ellenbogen was then
asked by Wilson to draft New Jersey's law to forcibly sterilize
epileptics and defectives. In the process, Katzen-Ellenbogen became an
expert on legal and legislative safeguards and jurisprudence.
In 1913, Katzen-Ellenbogen became charter member #14 of the Eugenics
Research Association at the Carnegie Institution's Cold Spring Harbor
lab complex. The eugenics movement, spearheaded by the Eugenics
Research Association, campaigned around the world to create a master
Nordic race and sterilize or segregate all other humans out of
existence. The doctor continued his active membership in the ERA even
after he sailed for Russia in 1915, never to return to the United
States.
Katzen-Ellenbogen bounced around the capitals of Europe for the next
few years. He was about to board a ship in Holland when he received a
telegram informing him that his only son had died in America after
falling from a roof. Katzen-Ellenbogen was never the same. He became
morose and introspective, questioning the value of human life, at
least his own. "I contemplated to offer myself as physician to the
leprosy colony in the upper State of New York," he recounted. He also
considered suicide.
In 1925, Katzen-Ellenbogen developed a relationship with a woman named
Olga. She described him as "the companion of my life." He described
her as "my ...
read more =BB
Just imagine they named a town after him. GillyGillyOssenfefferKatzen-
EllenbogenByTheSea. Now ***** and die you speciesist bollocks.
"I am in favour of animal rights as well as human rights. That is the
way of a whole human being". (Abraham Lincoln).
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08 Jul 2007 06:32:39 AM |
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 02:49:37 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:
In a throwback to the pre-Civil War era, eugenicists craved the blond,
blue-eyed Nordic types who had settled America in the previous
century.
In what century does the author think that "blond, blue-eyed Nordic
types" were even a significant part of European immigration to the US,
(unless he lives in Minnesota)?
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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08 Jul 2007 06:56:06 AM |
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 02:49:37 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:
In a throwback to the pre-Civil War era, eugenicists craved the blond,
blue-eyed Nordic types who had settled America in the previous
century.
In what century does the author think that "blond, blue-eyed Nordic
types" were even a significant part of European immigration to the US,
(unless he lives in Minnesota)?
Not even in Minnesota with all those Swedes. The majority of Germans don't
even look "Aryan"
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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08 Jul 2007 06:58:55 AM |
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On 8 Jul, 12:56, "Professor Bugsbaum" <b...@badabing.com> wrote:
"raven1" <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:lni1931gtsadj7q6renrkis1s4av4lcngq@4ax.com...
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 02:49:37 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
In a throwback to the pre-Civil War era, eugenicists craved the blond,
blue-eyed Nordic types who had settled America in the previous
century.
In what century does the author think that "blond, blue-eyed Nordic
types" were even a significant part of European immigration to the US,
(unless he lives in Minnesota)?
Not even in Minnesota with all those Swedes. The majority of Germans don't
even look "Aryan"
Swedes? And there I was thinking they were turnips. How silly of
me! :P
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Fortibus es in ero
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08 Jul 2007 09:23:04 PM |
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Professor Bugsbaum <bugsy@badabing.com> wrote in message
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 02:49:37 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:
In a throwback to the pre-Civil War era, eugenicists craved the blond,
blue-eyed Nordic types who had settled America in the previous
century.
In what century does the author think that "blond, blue-eyed Nordic
types" were even a significant part of European immigration to the US,
(unless he lives in Minnesota)?
Not even in Minnesota with all those Swedes. The majority of Germans don't
even look "Aryan"
Of course they do! Hitler, Goebbels, Goering, Speer, Eichman: blond
blue-eyed aryans to a man!
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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08 Jul 2007 09:21:27 PM |
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raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:lni1931gtsadj7q6renrkis1s4av4lcngq@4ax.com...
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 02:49:37 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:
In a throwback to the pre-Civil War era, eugenicists craved the blond,
blue-eyed Nordic types who had settled America in the previous
century.
In what century does the author think that "blond, blue-eyed Nordic
types" were even a significant part of European immigration to the US,
(unless he lives in Minnesota)?
probably the same part of the century when all germans were 'blond,
blue-eyed Nordic types'... which was just after all Nordic types were blond
and blue-eyed..... you know..... once upon a time.....
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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08 Jul 2007 01:08:48 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:
http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/offSiteArchive/hnn.us/index.html
The Story of the New Jersey Doctor Who Helped Kill Prisoners at
Buchenwald in the Name of Eugenics
And isn't it interersting that today's abortion opponents elevate mere
DNA molecules to a status above that of actual people and demand the
enslavement of people for the benefit of society.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| Title: Re: Jewish Atheist Darwinist Doctor Helped Kill Prisoners At Buchenwald In The Name Of Eugenics |
08 Jul 2007 05:09:30 AM |
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Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote in message
news:1183888177.491797.309570@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/offSiteArchive/hnn.us/index.html
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.... a 'jewish atheist' educated by Jesuits.... quelle surprise.......
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| Title: Re: Jewish [snip] |
09 Jul 2007 01:56:54 AM |
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You can always tell the magnitude of a bigot's lies by
how often he has to morph his nym to avoid killfiles.
Susan
On 8-Jul-2007, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:
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| User: "SJAB1958" |
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| Title: Re: Jewish [snip] |
10 Jul 2007 07:17:24 AM |
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On 9 Jul, 07:56, wrote:
You can always tell the magnitude of a bigot's lies by
how often he has to morph his nym to avoid killfiles.
Susan
And also by the utter silence when their position has been proven
false by facts and well structured rational arguments. Especially when
you don't hurl insults around as they frequently do.
On 8-Jul-2007, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote:
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