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"Erica the Transvestite Jew" |
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23 Dec 2003 10:07:43 AM |
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Jews say NO to Nativity scene |
PALM BEACH, Fla. - The town of Palm Beach (search), Fla., told a
federal judge Thursday that he has no authority to demand that they
come up with a good reason why Jesus Christ in a manger should not be
displayed next to a menorah on public property.
The judge had given the town until 5 p.m. Thursday to give the reasons
why town officials are saying "NO!" to putting up a Nativity scene
next to a Jewish menorah (search) in a popular park on public
property.
The judge now must respond to the town's assertion -- most likely
either agreeing that he has no such authority, telling the town "Tough
Luck" and insisting they give over their reasons or he could make a
decision on the matter for the town.
Two women wanted a Christ in a manger display next to the menorah but
the town refused, saying the Nativity scene could only be placed in a
lesser-trafficked park.
The women filed a lawsuit claiming discrimination and arguing that the
Supreme Court (search) allows a balance of the two. For the past two
years, for example, menorahs have been placed next to the more
politically correct "secular holiday trees."
One of the plaintiffs told Fox News she asked to speak before the town
council to make her case but was refused.
"They've discriminated against us" said Maureen Donnell. "They allow
the menorahs but they have absolutely no interest in these Nativity
scenes."
What Donnell and her co-plaintiff want is for the the menorah and the
Nativity scene to be displayed next to each other.
But Palm Beach town attorney John Randolph said case law shows that
when a menorah is placed next to a secular symbol -- such as a
"secular holiday tree" -- it isn't considered a religious symbol.
Click here to watch a fair and balanced report by Fox News Channel's
Orlando Salinas.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,106123,00.html
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: Jews say NO to Nativity scene |
31 Dec 2003 12:00:56 PM |
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"Erica the Transvestite Jew" <scribe53151@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3fb6ebc.0312230807.3afaa63c@posting.google.com...
PALM BEACH, Fla. - The town of Palm Beach (search), Fla., told a
federal judge Thursday that he has no authority to demand that they
come up with a good reason why Jesus Christ in a manger should not be
displayed next to a menorah on public property.
Better yet, get rid of ALL religious symbolism on public property, as
required by the Constitution.
--
Peacenik
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Jews say NO to Nativity scene |
01 Jan 2004 01:51:09 AM |
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"Peacenik" <criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net> wrote in message
news:s9EIb.85123$VB2.188973@attbi_s51...
Better yet, get rid of ALL religious symbolism on public property, as
required by the Constitution.
Absolutely!
While some can extract arguments which say that accomodation must be made
for all, it can't but be easier to just get of it all!
Susan
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| User: "Roger Blake" |
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| Title: Re: Jews say NO to Nativity scene |
31 Dec 2003 03:49:49 PM |
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 18:00:56 GMT, Peacenik <criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net> wrote:
Better yet, get rid of ALL religious symbolism on public property, as
required by the Constitution.
The Constitution requires no such thing. The intent of the 1st Amendment
is to prevent the rise of a state church, such as the Church of England.
It was not the intent to ban religion from public life in general.
--
Roger Blake
(Subtract 10 for email.)
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: Jews say NO to Nativity scene |
04 Jan 2004 07:31:21 PM |
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"Roger Blake" <rogblake10@iname10.com> wrote in message
news:slrnbv6h8f.ka8.rogblake10@unix3.netaxs.com...
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 18:00:56 GMT, Peacenik
<criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net> wrote:
Better yet, get rid of ALL religious symbolism on public property, as
required by the Constitution.
The Constitution requires no such thing.
Thomas Jefferson disagrees with you.
The intent of the 1st Amendment
is to prevent the rise of a state church, such as the Church of England.
And having religious symbolism on government property *is* state-endorsed
religion, and that is establishment.
It was not the intent to ban religion from public life in general.
Public life in general, no. Governmnt property, yes.
--
Peacenik
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| User: "Dethlar2004: Blaq Action Hero" |
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| Title: Re: Jews say NO to Nativity scene |
01 Jan 2004 12:02:44 AM |
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"Roger Blake" <rogblake10@iname10.com> wrote in message
news:slrnbv6h8f.ka8.rogblake10@unix3.netaxs.com...
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 18:00:56 GMT, Peacenik
<criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net> wrote:
Better yet, get rid of ALL religious symbolism on public property, as
required by the Constitution.
The Constitution requires no such thing. The intent of the 1st Amendment
is to prevent the rise of a state church, such as the Church of England.
It was not the intent to ban religion from public life in general.
Then it shouldn't be up to the chosen few to decide what religions we are
supposed to see. If Jewish people can put up a menorah, then any other
religious group that wants to show their religious pride should be allowed
to do the same.
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Jews say NO to Nativity scene |
01 Jan 2004 01:51:20 AM |
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"Roger Blake" <rogblake10@iname10.com> wrote in message
news:slrnbv6h8f.ka8.rogblake10@unix3.netaxs.com...
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 18:00:56 GMT, Peacenik
<criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net> wrote:
Better yet, get rid of ALL religious symbolism on public property, as
required by the Constitution.
The Constitution requires no such thing. The intent of the 1st Amendment
is to prevent the rise of a state church, such as the Church of England.
It was also meant to keep government out of religion.
It was not the intent to ban religion from public life in general.
It was meant to keep any religion from being forced on people.
Susan
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: Jews say NO to Nativity scene |
23 Dec 2003 02:28:07 PM |
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In article <3fb6ebc.0312230807.3afaa63c@posting.google.com>,
(Erica the Transvestite Jew) wrote:
PALM BEACH, Fla. - The town of Palm Beach (search), Fla., told a
federal judge Thursday that he has no authority to demand that they
come up with a good reason why Jesus Christ in a manger should not be
displayed next to a menorah on public property.
The judge had given the town until 5 p.m. Thursday to give the reasons
why town officials are saying "NO!" to putting up a Nativity scene
next to a Jewish menorah (search) in a popular park on public
property.
The judge now must respond to the town's assertion -- most likely
either agreeing that he has no such authority, telling the town "Tough
Luck" and insisting they give over their reasons or he could make a
decision on the matter for the town.
Two women wanted a Christ in a manger display next to the menorah but
the town refused, saying the Nativity scene could only be placed in a
lesser-trafficked park.
The women filed a lawsuit claiming discrimination and arguing that the
Supreme Court (search) allows a balance of the two. For the past two
years, for example, menorahs have been placed next to the more
politically correct "secular holiday trees."
One of the plaintiffs told Fox News she asked to speak before the town
council to make her case but was refused.
"They've discriminated against us" said Maureen Donnell. "They allow
the menorahs but they have absolutely no interest in these Nativity
scenes."
What Donnell and her co-plaintiff want is for the the menorah and the
Nativity scene to be displayed next to each other.
But Palm Beach town attorney John Randolph said case law shows that
when a menorah is placed next to a secular symbol -- such as a
"secular holiday tree" -- it isn't considered a religious symbol.
Click here to watch a fair and balanced report by Fox News Channel's
Orlando Salinas.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,106123,00.html
Please continue this discussion at your leisure without the idiotic
cross-posting to entertainment groups.
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| User: "yechidah" |
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| Title: Re: Jews say KNOW to Nativity scene |
23 Dec 2003 10:18:31 AM |
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Knowledge dispels fear.
http://www.messiahtruth.com
Happy Chanukah, y'all!
YS
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