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"Erica the Transvestite Jew" |
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23 Dec 2003 10:32:16 AM |
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Jews say NO to Nativity scene |
PALM BEACH, Fla. - The town of Palm Beach (search), Fla., told a
federal judge Thursday that he has no authority to demand that they
come up with a good reason why Jesus Christ in a manger should not be
displayed next to a menorah on public property.
The judge had given the town until 5 p.m. Thursday to give the reasons
why town officials are saying "NO!" to putting up a Nativity scene
next to a Jewish menorah (search) in a popular park on public
property.
The judge now must respond to the town's assertion -- most likely
either agreeing that he has no such authority, telling the town "Tough
Luck" and insisting they give over their reasons or he could make a
decision on the matter for the town.
Two women wanted a Christ in a manger display next to the menorah but
the town refused, saying the Nativity scene could only be placed in a
lesser-trafficked park.
The women filed a lawsuit claiming discrimination and arguing that the
Supreme Court (search) allows a balance of the two. For the past two
years, for example, menorahs have been placed next to the more
politically correct "secular holiday trees."
One of the plaintiffs told Fox News she asked to speak before the town
council to make her case but was refused.
"They've discriminated against us" said Maureen Donnell. "They allow
the menorahs but they have absolutely no interest in these Nativity
scenes."
What Donnell and her co-plaintiff want is for the the menorah and the
Nativity scene to be displayed next to each other.
But Palm Beach town attorney John Randolph said case law shows that
when a menorah is placed next to a secular symbol -- such as a
"secular holiday tree" -- it isn't considered a religious symbol.
Click here to watch a fair and balanced report by Fox News Channel's
Orlando Salinas.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,106123,00.html
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Jews say NO to Nativity scene |
24 Dec 2003 09:58:25 PM |
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And so upon Tue, 23 Dec 2003 08:32:16 -0800 didst Erica the Transvestite
Jew speak thusly:
PALM BEACH, Fla. - The town of Palm Beach (search), Fla., told a
federal judge Thursday that he has no authority to demand that they
come up with a good reason why Jesus Christ in a manger should not be
displayed next to a menorah on public property.
Erm... that was a stupid thing to say to a judge. Those folk can throw you
in jail for being snippity.
If they're allowing one, they're going to have to allow the other. It's
just too damn bad they don't "want" to.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "ScienceChick" |
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| Title: Re: Jews say NO to Nativity scene |
25 Dec 2003 01:48:15 AM |
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I say ***** the menorahs and ***** the nativity scene. Keep that ***** in
church or in synagogues where it belongs.
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| User: "bluskie" |
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| Title: Re: Jews say NO to Nativity scene |
25 Dec 2003 10:59:46 AM |
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(ScienceChick) wrote in message news:<c99c4282.0312242348.66703485@posting.google.com>...
I say ***** the menorahs and ***** the nativity scene. Keep that ***** in
church or in synagogues where it belongs.
Heathen! may the Lord God almighty have mercy on your stinking soul.
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| User: "Tick-Tock Man" |
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25 Dec 2003 02:15:48 PM |
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Great!!! :)
"bluskie" <wildbluskies@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a9dd1b95.0312250859.684ba9e0@posting.google.com...
debbiediana@att.net (ScienceChick) wrote in message
news:<c99c4282.0312242348.66703485@posting.google.com>...
I say ***** the menorahs and ***** the nativity scene. Keep that ***** in
church or in synagogues where it belongs.
Heathen! may the Lord God almighty have mercy on your stinking soul.
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| User: "Tick-Tock Man" |
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| Title: Re: Jews say NO to Nativity scene |
25 Dec 2003 02:07:09 AM |
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Are you The grinch?
"ScienceChick" <debbiediana@att.net> wrote in message
news:c99c4282.0312242348.66703485@posting.google.com...
I say ***** the menorahs and ***** the nativity scene. Keep that ***** in
church or in synagogues where it belongs.
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| User: "R. Foreman" |
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| Title: Re: Jews say NO to Nativity scene |
25 Dec 2003 06:55:44 AM |
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"Tick-Tock Man" <earth@dot.com> Spat the Words
Are you The grinch?
"ScienceChick" <debbiediana@att.net> wrote in message
news:c99c4282.0312242348.66703485@posting.google.com...
I say ***** the menorahs and ***** the nativity scene. Keep that ***** in
church or in synagogues where it belongs.
He's the scrooge. The grinch steals the presents. The scrooge
is just in a bad freakin mood about the whole business.
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| User: "ScienceChick" |
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25 Dec 2003 01:51:12 PM |
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He is a SHE and no I'm not the Grinch, I'm just not Christian or
Jewish. I can do Santa Claus but the whole religious scene is just not
my cup of tea.
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| User: "R. Foreman" |
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25 Dec 2003 03:11:58 PM |
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(ScienceChick) Spat the Words
He is a SHE and no I'm not the Grinch, I'm just not Christian or
Jewish. I can do Santa Claus but the whole religious scene is just not
my cup of tea.
I didn't call you the grinch. I called you the scrooge, debbiediana.
Not that its a big deal. I'm not terribly religious myself.
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| User: "zepp" |
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25 Dec 2003 04:28:24 PM |
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On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 21:11:58 GMT, "R. Foreman"
<eidpers@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
debbiediana@att.net (ScienceChick) Spat the Words
He is a SHE and no I'm not the Grinch, I'm just not Christian or
Jewish. I can do Santa Claus but the whole religious scene is just not
my cup of tea.
I didn't call you the grinch. I called you the scrooge, debbiediana.
Not that its a big deal. I'm not terribly religious myself.
No big deal? Try to imagine George C. Scott playing the Grinch! Or
Jim Carrey trying to play Scrooge!
No big deal. Hummph! Some people...
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| User: "SemiScholar" |
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| Title: Re: Jews say NO to Nativity scene |
23 Dec 2003 11:19:43 AM |
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On 23 Dec 2003 08:32:16 -0800, (Erica the
Transvestite Jew) wrote:
PALM BEACH, Fla. - The town of Palm Beach (search), Fla., told a
federal judge Thursday that he has no authority to demand that they
come up with a good reason why Jesus Christ in a manger should not be
displayed next to a menorah on public property.
The judge had given the town until 5 p.m. Thursday to give the reasons
why town officials are saying "NO!" to putting up a Nativity scene
next to a Jewish menorah (search) in a popular park on public
property.
The judge now must respond to the town's assertion -- most likely
either agreeing that he has no such authority, telling the town "Tough
Luck" and insisting they give over their reasons or he could make a
decision on the matter for the town.
Two women wanted a Christ in a manger display next to the menorah but
the town refused, saying the Nativity scene could only be placed in a
lesser-trafficked park.
The women filed a lawsuit claiming discrimination and arguing that the
Supreme Court (search) allows a balance of the two. For the past two
years, for example, menorahs have been placed next to the more
politically correct "secular holiday trees."
One of the plaintiffs told Fox News she asked to speak before the town
council to make her case but was refused.
"They've discriminated against us" said Maureen Donnell. "They allow
the menorahs but they have absolutely no interest in these Nativity
scenes."
What Donnell and her co-plaintiff want is for the the menorah and the
Nativity scene to be displayed next to each other.
But Palm Beach town attorney John Randolph said case law shows that
when a menorah is placed next to a secular symbol -- such as a
"secular holiday tree" -- it isn't considered a religious symbol.
Click here to watch a fair and balanced report by Fox News Channel's
Orlando Salinas.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,106123,00.html
This is how religious wars get started. Why can't people just do
their religion on their own? Why do they have to always be trying to
push it on everybody else? Leave ALL the religious symbolism out of
the public sites - put them in your churches, temples, mosques,
grottoes, basement shrines or whatever.
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| User: "Dean" |
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25 Dec 2003 12:49:58 AM |
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This is how religious wars get started. Why can't people just do
their religion on their own? Why do they have to always be trying to
push it on everybody else? Leave ALL the religious symbolism out of
the public sites - put them in your churches, temples, mosques,
grottoes, basement shrines or whatever.
Do you think that Christmas (December 25) should no longer be a
holiday? Do you support laws like France has prohibiting people from
wearing Muslim headscarfs (but caps with the F word are OK) in public?
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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31 Dec 2003 12:12:55 PM |
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"Dean" <djmcosmo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a8466d35.0312242249.71d7f2d3@posting.google.com...
This is how religious wars get started. Why can't people just do
their religion on their own? Why do they have to always be trying to
push it on everybody else? Leave ALL the religious symbolism out of
the public sites - put them in your churches, temples, mosques,
grottoes, basement shrines or whatever.
Do you think that Christmas (December 25) should no longer be a
holiday?
Nope. Christmas, like Memorial Day, is a secular holiday. I'm an atheist,
but I have always, since my early childhood, celebrated Christmas in a
secular way, devoid of religious trappings. One does not have to be
Christian to celebrate this secular holiday.
Do you support laws like France has prohibiting people from
wearing Muslim headscarfs (but caps with the F word are OK) in public?
No.
There's a difference between personal religious expression and government
establishment of religion. People should be free to wear crosses,
headscarves, yarmulkes, turbans or what have you, even at work or school,
including government jobs and public schools. And people may display
creches, menorahs, Buddhas, etc. on private property, (homes, churches,
etc.). What may NOT be allowed is the government advocating religion (or
non-religion). Public school teachers may not broadcast prayers or
indoctrinate students (though they may teach *about* religion). Presidents
may not declare national days of prayer (though Bush has repeatedly violated
this Constitutional requirement). "In God We Trust" is not supposed to be on
our money - the Federal Reserve is technically violating the Constitution by
having it there, and it is likely to continue breaking the law with the
blessing of Congress. Courthouses may not display the Ten Commandments.
Religious symbols may not be displayed on public property. (Santa and
Christmas trees are NOT religous symbols, BTW.)
The Separation of Church and State is not a difficult concept to comprehend.
--
Peacenik
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| User: "bluskie" |
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| Title: Re: Jews say NO to Nativity scene |
25 Dec 2003 10:57:38 AM |
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(Dean) wrote in message news:<a8466d35.0312242249.71d7f2d3@posting.google.com>...
This is how religious wars get started. Why can't people just do
their religion on their own? Why do they have to always be trying to
push it on everybody else? Leave ALL the religious symbolism out of
the public sites - put them in your churches, temples, mosques,
grottoes, basement shrines or whatever.
Do you think that Christmas (December 25) should no longer be a
holiday? Do you support laws like France has prohibiting people from
wearing Muslim headscarfs (but caps with the F word are OK) in public?
as a born again Christian I forbid caps with the f word in public,
only "I love Jesus" ball caps are allowed, all other religious and
political slogans should also be banned, its time Christians took back
what is rightfully theirs, The control of the worlds peoples and
resources from the evil minions of satan, atheists, muslims, jews and
other assorted heathens, praise the LORD!
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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27 Dec 2003 06:52:40 PM |
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And so upon Thu, 25 Dec 2003 08:57:38 -0800 didst bluskie speak thusly:
djmcosmo@yahoo.com (Dean) wrote in message news:<a8466d35.0312242249.71d7f2d3@posting.google.com>...
This is how religious wars get started. Why can't people just do
their religion on their own? Why do they have to always be trying to
push it on everybody else? Leave ALL the religious symbolism out of
the public sites - put them in your churches, temples, mosques,
grottoes, basement shrines or whatever.
Do you think that Christmas (December 25) should no longer be a
holiday? Do you support laws like France has prohibiting people from
wearing Muslim headscarfs (but caps with the F word are OK) in public?
as a born again Christian I forbid caps with the f word in public,
only "I love Jesus" ball caps are allowed, all other religious and
political slogans should also be banned, its time Christians took back
what is rightfully theirs, The control of the worlds peoples and
resources from the evil minions of satan, atheists, muslims, jews and
other assorted heathens, praise the LORD!
You do realize lots of people would, oh, shoot at you for trying that?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "Erica" |
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28 Dec 2003 01:21:02 AM |
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In article <pan.2003.12.28.00.52.39.749646@il.huh>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote:
And so upon Thu, 25 Dec 2003 08:57:38 -0800 didst bluskie speak thusly:
djmcosmo@yahoo.com (Dean) wrote in message
news:<a8466d35.0312242249.71d7f2d3@posting.google.com>...
This is how religious wars get started. Why can't people just do
their religion on their own? Why do they have to always be trying to
push it on everybody else? Leave ALL the religious symbolism out of
the public sites - put them in your churches, temples, mosques,
grottoes, basement shrines or whatever.
Do you think that Christmas (December 25) should no longer be a
holiday? Do you support laws like France has prohibiting people from
wearing Muslim headscarfs (but caps with the F word are OK) in public?
as a born again Christian I forbid caps with the f word in public,
only "I love Jesus" ball caps are allowed, all other religious and
political slogans should also be banned, its time Christians took back
what is rightfully theirs, The control of the worlds peoples and
resources from the evil minions of satan, atheists, muslims, jews and
other assorted heathens, praise the LORD!
You do realize lots of people would, oh, shoot at you for trying that?
I got so confused there for a moment. Then I noticed it was bluskie. Ah,
explains everything. A put on. I get it now.
Erica (a bit slow on the uptake this evening)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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28 Dec 2003 08:17:37 AM |
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And so upon Sun, 28 Dec 2003 01:21:02 -0600 didst Erica speak thusly:
In article <pan.2003.12.28.00.52.39.749646@il.huh>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote:
And so upon Thu, 25 Dec 2003 08:57:38 -0800 didst bluskie speak thusly:
djmcosmo@yahoo.com (Dean) wrote in message
news:<a8466d35.0312242249.71d7f2d3@posting.google.com>...
This is how religious wars get started. Why can't people just do
their religion on their own? Why do they have to always be trying to
push it on everybody else? Leave ALL the religious symbolism out of
the public sites - put them in your churches, temples, mosques,
grottoes, basement shrines or whatever.
Do you think that Christmas (December 25) should no longer be a
holiday? Do you support laws like France has prohibiting people from
wearing Muslim headscarfs (but caps with the F word are OK) in public?
as a born again Christian I forbid caps with the f word in public,
only "I love Jesus" ball caps are allowed, all other religious and
political slogans should also be banned, its time Christians took back
what is rightfully theirs, The control of the worlds peoples and
resources from the evil minions of satan, atheists, muslims, jews and
other assorted heathens, praise the LORD!
You do realize lots of people would, oh, shoot at you for trying that?
I got so confused there for a moment. Then I noticed it was bluskie. Ah,
explains everything. A put on. I get it now.
Doncha love people like bluskie? Lots of courage behind anonymous Usenet
posts. But whacha wanna bet he'd be the first hiding under the bed if it
came to a real fight?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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28 Dec 2003 12:52:03 AM |
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On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:52:40 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh>
posted to alt.atheism:
And so upon Thu, 25 Dec 2003 08:57:38 -0800 didst bluskie speak thusly:
as a born again Christian I forbid caps with the f word in public,
only "I love Jesus" ball caps are allowed, all other religious and
political slogans should also be banned, its time Christians took back
what is rightfully theirs, The control of the worlds peoples and
resources from the evil minions of satan, atheists, muslims, jews and
other assorted heathens, praise the LORD!
You do realize lots of people would, oh, shoot at you for trying that?
He doesn't even realize that Christians are heathens and atheists?
--
"Damn. Looks like all of usenet agrees that you don't have the logical
faculties to prove the statement 'dogshit is not peanut butter' if we
gave you a jar of each and a box of crackers" - John Hattan to Tichy
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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28 Dec 2003 08:18:22 AM |
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And so upon Sun, 28 Dec 2003 01:52:03 -0500 didst Al Klein speak thusly:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:52:40 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh>
posted to alt.atheism:
And so upon Thu, 25 Dec 2003 08:57:38 -0800 didst bluskie speak thusly:
as a born again Christian I forbid caps with the f word in public,
only "I love Jesus" ball caps are allowed, all other religious and
political slogans should also be banned, its time Christians took back
what is rightfully theirs, The control of the worlds peoples and
resources from the evil minions of satan, atheists, muslims, jews and
other assorted heathens, praise the LORD!
You do realize lots of people would, oh, shoot at you for trying that?
He doesn't even realize that Christians are heathens and atheists?
I'm still stuck at "I forbid caps with..."
He thinks he gets to decree these things does he now?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "Erica" |
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28 Dec 2003 10:49:31 AM |
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In article <pan.2003.12.28.14.18.22.7307@il.huh>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote:
And so upon Sun, 28 Dec 2003 01:52:03 -0500 didst Al Klein speak thusly:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:52:40 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh>
posted to alt.atheism:
And so upon Thu, 25 Dec 2003 08:57:38 -0800 didst bluskie speak thusly:
as a born again Christian I forbid caps with the f word in public,
only "I love Jesus" ball caps are allowed, all other religious and
political slogans should also be banned, its time Christians took back
what is rightfully theirs, The control of the worlds peoples and
resources from the evil minions of satan, atheists, muslims, jews and
other assorted heathens, praise the LORD!
You do realize lots of people would, oh, shoot at you for trying that?
He doesn't even realize that Christians are heathens and atheists?
I'm still stuck at "I forbid caps with..."
He thinks he gets to decree these things does he now?
Don't forget his regular home is alt.flame.jesus.christ.
He alternately claims to be a Christian but acts and says things that
indicate that he is not. I've also seen him post as a normal, rational,
almost eloquent person on occasion (well, one at least). Freaked the
crap outta me, but then he might have been quoting. Mostly he acts as a
garden variety troller-flamer, mostly against theists.
Agreed, he's pretty bold for someone who's hiding behind a keyboard.
Erica
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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28 Dec 2003 07:39:24 PM |
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And so upon Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:49:31 -0600 didst Erica speak thusly:
In article <pan.2003.12.28.14.18.22.7307@il.huh>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote:
And so upon Sun, 28 Dec 2003 01:52:03 -0500 didst Al Klein speak thusly:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:52:40 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh>
posted to alt.atheism:
And so upon Thu, 25 Dec 2003 08:57:38 -0800 didst bluskie speak thusly:
as a born again Christian I forbid caps with the f word in public,
only "I love Jesus" ball caps are allowed, all other religious and
political slogans should also be banned, its time Christians took back
what is rightfully theirs, The control of the worlds peoples and
resources from the evil minions of satan, atheists, muslims, jews and
other assorted heathens, praise the LORD!
You do realize lots of people would, oh, shoot at you for trying that?
He doesn't even realize that Christians are heathens and atheists?
I'm still stuck at "I forbid caps with..."
He thinks he gets to decree these things does he now?
Don't forget his regular home is alt.flame.jesus.christ.
He alternately claims to be a Christian but acts and says things that
indicate that he is not. I've also seen him post as a normal, rational,
almost eloquent person on occasion (well, one at least). Freaked the
crap outta me, but then he might have been quoting. Mostly he acts as a
garden variety troller-flamer, mostly against theists.
Agreed, he's pretty bold for someone who's hiding behind a keyboard.
Yikes. You just described somebody who needs serious attention from
shrinks...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "SemiScholar" |
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| Title: Re: Jews say NO to Nativity scene |
25 Dec 2003 12:21:50 PM |
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On 24 Dec 2003 22:49:58 -0800, (Dean) wrote:
This is how religious wars get started. Why can't people just do
their religion on their own? Why do they have to always be trying to
push it on everybody else? Leave ALL the religious symbolism out of
the public sites - put them in your churches, temples, mosques,
grottoes, basement shrines or whatever.
Do you think that Christmas (December 25) should no longer be a
holiday?
I think we should move it to December 31 and call it Hanaramakwanzmas.
Do you support laws like France has prohibiting people from
wearing Muslim headscarfs (but caps with the F word are OK) in public?
(the F word? you mean "Ford"?)
Well, I guess I would okay the Muslim head scarves as long as they
were embroidered with the F word.
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| User: "Robert Doisneau" |
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| Title: Re: Jews = xineohpeol |
23 Dec 2003 06:37:44 PM |
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Who is using Florida? sure seems like a lot of news and agenda is being
set there. And what about phoenix... why all the memos from Phoenix FBI.
Is Al Qaeda using our own intelligence agencies to send premonitions of
future attacks?
anything ever come of xineohpeol??
PALM BEACH, Fla. - The town of Palm Beach (search), Fla., told a
federal judge Thursday that he has no authority to demand that they
come up with a good reason why Jesus Christ in a manger should not be
displayed next to a menorah on public property.
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