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"Meteorite Debris" |
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24 Apr 2005 06:45:40 PM |
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Joh Bjelke-Petersen recants on death bed |
Brisbane April 24 2005 EAP. In an amazing turn around in the last
part of an amazing life that saw Joh Bjelke-Petersen, originally a New
Zealander, turned farmer, politician, Premier for 19 years Sir Joh
renounced the faith that had carried him through much of his larger
than life controversial turbulent life. Called a "bible bashing
*****" by former Prime Minister Gough Whitlam and known by most for
his strict narrow minded interpretation of Christianity Sir Joh at the
end finally had trouble reconciling his belief system with the actions
of his Premiership.
His wife, Lady Flo, has told EAP in an interview that towards the end
Joh gave a lot of thought the the implications of his Premiership in
the eyes of God. "It caused him great pain" said Lady Flo. A close
friend and business associate who wanted to remain unnamed filled in
EAP with an outline of a conversation he had with Sir Joh in the last
days. "Joh always thought of a clear and defined good and evil but the
length of office has eaten into his integrity with endless
compromises". "He never meant any harm to anyone and was a really good
man but he found himself saying yes to apartheid, banning free speech,
running a corrupt police force, turning Queensland into a moonlight
state, lying under oath and rigging juries". "He knew he was a good
man but was in no doubt about the heavenly blowback from his
behaviour". It seems this caused a crisis of faith in Sir Joh. How
could a decent human turn into a dictator simply by trying to be a
good father to the state. But like a Shakespearean tragedy the
concerned father turned into hated tyrant.
The idea that good and evil might be more complicated than the holy
roller polarity of his fire brand faith shocked him to the core. Sir
Joh apologised for all his misdeeds as Premier, for blocking free
speech, for lying, for compromising the Westminster System and the
balance of powers. He was particularly grieved by his appointment of
Albert Field to the Senate and believed this had fundamentally changed
Australian politics for the worse. "This is power gone mad and it was
my fault, I'm sorry but I was corrupted" Joh tearfully told his
friend. "And don't call Sir Joh because I never really deserved a
knighthood. I simply put forward my own name out of vanity.
Joh also praised Philip Adams for adding to the quality of public
discourse. He smiled as Philip Adam's opinion piece in the Australian
<http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,1504104
8%5E12272,00.html> was read to him. "Philip was right and I was
wrong" he was heard to mutter in a very soft voice. Among others
admired by Sir Joh was High Court Justice Markus Kirby adding that he
wished the gay community the best of luck and could see no reason why
gay couples should not be able to marry and raise children. Sir Joh
had embraced the secular democratic values he had fought so long
against.
His last few sentences muttered were related by Joh's friend. "I know
death is like existence before birth. I know now that my faith was
just a fog of false hope and I'm sorry for the harm that came from it.
I know my faith motivated actions were really nothing but fear and
grasping for false hopes. A pie in the sky when you die is still not a
good reason to be a decent human. This is less noble than the actions
by Justice Kirby who does much good without the hope of an eternal
reward. Christianity is a fraud and Christian motivation comes from a
questionable base."
Sir Joh than lost consciousness.
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rot13
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
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| User: "Sunny" |
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| Title: Re: Joh Bjelke-Petersen recants on death bed |
24 Apr 2005 06:26:07 PM |
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"Meteorite Debris" <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cd6b78af4836bb598a15d@news.optusnet.com.au...
Brisbane April 24 2005 EAP.
<snip slime bag comment>
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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24 Apr 2005 07:56:05 PM |
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 23:26:07 GMT the ET form known as
Sunny<wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> sent a radio signal across the vast
expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
"Meteorite Debris" <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cd6b78af4836bb598a15d@news.optusnet.com.au...
Brisbane April 24 2005 EAP.
<snip slime bag comment>
No he's not a slime bag anymore. He recanted ;-)
--
rot13
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
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| User: "Sunny" |
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25 Apr 2005 01:45:08 AM |
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"Meteorite Debris" <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cd6c80348718ac198a15e@news.optusnet.com.au...
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 23:26:07 GMT the ET form known as
Sunny<wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> sent a radio signal across the vast
<snip slime bag comment>
No he's not a slime bag anymore. He recanted ;-)
The "slime bag" tag was referring to you, and your lame post.
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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25 Apr 2005 03:25:41 AM |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 06:45:08 GMT the ET form known as
Sunny<wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> sent a radio signal across the vast
expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
"Meteorite Debris" <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cd6c80348718ac198a15e@news.optusnet.com.au...
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 23:26:07 GMT the ET form known as
Sunny<wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> sent a radio signal across the vast
<snip slime bag comment>
No he's not a slime bag anymore. He recanted ;-)
The "slime bag" tag was referring to you, and your lame post.
You made no useful or constructive remarks in your first reply. I
can't apologise for the news as it happens ;-) The big man happened
big time and that was reported Sunny.
A sense of humour can make your day more pleasant.
--
rot13
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
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| User: "Sunny" |
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25 Apr 2005 06:12:49 PM |
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"Meteorite Debris" <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cd731698e5adfe98a165@news.optusnet.com.au...
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 06:45:08 GMT the ET form known as
Sunny<wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> sent a radio signal across the vast
The "slime bag" tag was referring to you, and your lame post.
You made no useful or constructive remarks in your first reply. I
can't apologise for the news as it happens ;-) The big man happened
big time and that was reported Sunny.
Just like a few of the sixties crop, like Brian Laver, owner of the famous
leftie Emma's Bookshop in West End, continue their radical activism to this
day.
Laver, the thug, has decided in typical union fashion, to picket Joh's
funeral at Kingaroy.
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| User: "Frank J Warner" |
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25 Apr 2005 09:53:42 PM |
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In article <RPebe.24774$5F3.19628@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, Sunny
<wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
"Meteorite Debris" <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cd731698e5adfe98a165@news.optusnet.com.au...
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 06:45:08 GMT the ET form known as
Sunny<wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> sent a radio signal across the vast
The "slime bag" tag was referring to you, and your lame post.
You made no useful or constructive remarks in your first reply. I
can't apologise for the news as it happens ;-) The big man happened
big time and that was reported Sunny.
Just like a few of the sixties crop, like Brian Laver, owner of the famous
leftie Emma's Bookshop in West End, continue their radical activism to this
day.
Laver, the thug, has decided in typical union fashion, to picket Joh's
funeral at Kingaroy.
Wow, I didn't know you had such tight sphincters in Australia. My
condolences, MD.
-Frank
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Here's some of my work:
http://www.franksknives.com
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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26 Apr 2005 02:02:48 AM |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:53:42 -0700 the ET form known as Frank J
Warner<warnerf@veriSPAMMERSDIEzon.net> sent a radio signal across the
vast expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
In article <RPebe.24774$5F3.19628@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, Sunny
<wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
"Meteorite Debris" <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cd731698e5adfe98a165@news.optusnet.com.au...
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 06:45:08 GMT the ET form known as
Sunny<wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> sent a radio signal across the vast
The "slime bag" tag was referring to you, and your lame post.
You made no useful or constructive remarks in your first reply. I
can't apologise for the news as it happens ;-) The big man happened
big time and that was reported Sunny.
Just like a few of the sixties crop, like Brian Laver, owner of the famous
leftie Emma's Bookshop in West End, continue their radical activism to this
day.
Laver, the thug, has decided in typical union fashion, to picket Joh's
funeral at Kingaroy.
Wow, I didn't know you had such tight sphincters in Australia. My
condolences, MD.
LOL. Fraid so :-(
--
rot13
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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25 Apr 2005 10:51:59 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:12:49 GMT the ET form known as
Sunny<wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> sent a radio signal across the vast
expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
"Meteorite Debris" <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cd731698e5adfe98a165@news.optusnet.com.au...
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 06:45:08 GMT the ET form known as
Sunny<wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> sent a radio signal across the vast
The "slime bag" tag was referring to you, and your lame post.
You made no useful or constructive remarks in your first reply. I
can't apologise for the news as it happens ;-) The big man happened
big time and that was reported Sunny.
Just like a few of the sixties crop, like Brian Laver, owner of the famous
leftie Emma's Bookshop in West End, continue their radical activism to this
day.
Laver, the thug, has decided in typical union fashion, to picket Joh's
funeral at Kingaroy.
Sunny the man was a nutbar, dishonest, no respect for the checks and
balances of power, no respect for the Westminster system, hostile to
human rights, sympathetic to apartheid, manipulative, unconscionable.
No respect for the law or legal procedures. I don't care what anyone
did or did not do in the 60s. That is a non sequitur. I care for the
damage to democracy he brought. If that does not mean very much to you
then I am sorry for you. I pity you.
Feel free to use the "he kept the trains running on time" defence if
you want but I am not impressed by that silly apology for that bible
bashing power crazed looney playing with our democratic institutions.
I am sure that if you asked him about locking down Brisbane for the
Springbok game he would say "some of my best friends are black yadda
yadda yadda...I am not a racist but yadda yadda yadda". I have heard
this ***** too many times before to be impressed by it.
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rot13
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
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| User: "Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud" |
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25 Apr 2005 03:00:24 AM |
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a kind forward of a recent West Australian paper article
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In an 3 full pages article in the West Australian of Saturday 23rd of April,
the Swan River Funeral Oration was pronounced.
Tears of sorrow & despair were flowing freely from the eyes of some of the
attendants, a very small minority INDEED of Australian population since
only two persons showed concern & dismay over the Ecological Crime !!!
... and Irresponsible attitude of the successive WA Governments going back
to Sir Corrupt Court !
( the Head Crook in the infamous Great Sandy Desert Swindle Cover up )
These were Dr Jacques Philippe, a retired Clinical Psychologist of Perth,
and one outstanding lady from Canberra, webmaster of one of Australia 's
most outstanding informative web site.
Apart those extraordinary sensitive souls, the whole issue was dismissed by
the chewing, munching, boozing, brainwashed & bleating Australian population
at large, as a normal & inescapable event
All the recent life of the Swan River going back to the lush days when Sir
Turcaud was still in Australia, to the terrible degradation following his
forced departure from the Land under pain of death, and the terrible final
situation of today were passed in review.by the West Australian paper :
INEXISTENT DRAINAGE DUE TO THE DDD.
INCREDIBLE LEVELS OF INDUSTRIAL & DOMESTIC POLLUTION.
ALGAE PROLIFERATION FEEDING ON UNDECOMPOSED NITROGEN COMPONENTS
DEAD FISH BELLY-UP BY THE CARTLOAD.
( for you Bastards to shove down your throats)
Now like the rest of the Land, the Swan River is awaiting my return, the
return of the "Rain Master" ; the return of a most deserving Australia
Mining Pioneer, crucified since over a quarter of a Century by Australia's
Mining & Political Criminals !!!
WILL I BE BACK IN TIME TO SAVE WHAT CAN STILL BE SAVED ??? ... That is the
Question !
"JE COMMANDE ET LA NATURE OBEIT A MA VOIX"
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Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Exploration Geologist
Australia Mining Pioneer
Discoverer & Legal Owner of Telfer, Kintyre & Nifty Mines
The Great Sandy Desert of Australia
Founder of the True Geology
~~Ignorance Is The Cosmic Sin, The One Never Forgiven ! ~~
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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25 Apr 2005 09:04:08 AM |
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Call me confused, but...
Would someone be a dear and explain to this clueless Yank just who is Joh
Bjelke-Petersen?
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe
in one fewer god than you do. When you understand
why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you
will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen F. Roberts
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| User: "maff" |
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27 Apr 2005 04:36:52 AM |
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Gregory Gadow wrote:
Call me confused, but...
Would someone be a dear and explain to this clueless Yank just who is
Joh
Bjelke-Petersen?
A well known terrorist.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe
in one fewer god than you do. When you understand
why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you
will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen F. Roberts
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| User: "The Great Hairy One" |
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25 Apr 2005 04:37:49 PM |
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In article <426CF8D8.A1D4A124@serv.net>, says...
Call me confused, but...
Would someone be a dear and explain to this clueless Yank just who is Joh
Bjelke-Petersen?
He was the Premier of Queensland - sort of like a governor of one of
your states, but they have different powers, and are pretty much
controlled by the Federal Gov.
He's the main reason why Queensland is fifty years behind the rest of
Australia.
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The Great Hairy One,
ICQ: 118086514
All BAAWA and blue
SMASH! Aha! They'll save every one of us!
====================================
CEO EAC Roleplaying Division
The last thing many players
hear is me asking for 45d6...
(Remove spam block to email)
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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25 Apr 2005 09:12:21 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 07:04:08 -0700 the ET form known as Gregory
Gadow<techbear@serv.net> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
Call me confused, but...
Would someone be a dear and explain to this clueless Yank just who is Joh
Bjelke-Petersen?
Think of a televangelist crossed with a state governor as honest as
Nixon, as intelligent as Reagon and as articulate as Bush II.
--
rot13
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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26 Apr 2005 08:42:57 AM |
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Meteorite Debris wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 07:04:08 -0700 the ET form known as Gregory
Gadow<techbear@serv.net> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
Call me confused, but...
Would someone be a dear and explain to this clueless Yank just who is Joh
Bjelke-Petersen?
Think of a televangelist crossed with a state governor as honest as
Nixon, as intelligent as Reagon and as articulate as Bush II.
/shudder
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Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe
in one fewer god than you do. When you understand
why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you
will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen F. Roberts
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| User: "stoney" |
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27 Apr 2005 04:40:16 PM |
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 11:42:21 +0930, Meteorite Debris
<abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 07:04:08 -0700 the ET form known as Gregory
Gadow<techbear@serv.net> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
Call me confused, but...
Would someone be a dear and explain to this clueless Yank just who is Joh
Bjelke-Petersen?
Think of a televangelist crossed with a state governor as honest as
Nixon, as intelligent as Reagon and as articulate as Bush II.
John Howard?........
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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26 Apr 2005 08:07:28 AM |
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 11:42:21 +0930, Meteorite Debris
<abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote:
}On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 07:04:08 -0700 the ET form known as Gregory
}Gadow<techbear@serv.net> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
}of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
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}> Call me confused, but...
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}> Would someone be a dear and explain to this clueless Yank just who is Joh
}> Bjelke-Petersen?
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}Think of a televangelist crossed with a state governor as honest as
}Nixon, as intelligent as Reagon and as articulate as Bush II.
That would make for someone well ahead of you. Care to try again?
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26 Apr 2005 08:06:06 AM |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 07:04:08 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
}Call me confused, but...
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}Would someone be a dear and explain to this clueless Yank just who is Joh
}Bjelke-Petersen?
A conservative politician from the Deep North in Australia, now
deceased and someone that some leftie halfwits want to score some
cheap points off.
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| User: "Pat Hanna" |
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25 Apr 2005 10:35:41 AM |
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["Followup-To:" header set to aus.politics.]
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 07:04:08 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote:
Call me confused, but...
Would someone be a dear and explain to this clueless Yank just who is Joh
Bjelke-Petersen?
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe
in one fewer god than you do. When you understand
why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you
will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen F. Roberts
Australia's Spiro Agnew and Richard Nixon in the one person.
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An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind...Mahatma Gandhi
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| User: "Liquid Grace" |
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25 Apr 2005 04:18:05 AM |
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In article <MPG.1cd6b78af4836bb598a15d@news.optusnet.com.au>,
abuse@optusnet leapt about on one foot, screaching...
Brisbane April 24 2005 EAP. In an amazing turn around in the last
part of an amazing life that saw Joh Bjelke-Petersen, originally a New
Zealander, turned farmer, politician, Premier for 19 years Sir Joh
renounced the faith that had carried him through much of his larger
than life controversial turbulent life. Called a "bible bashing
*****" by former Prime Minister Gough Whitlam and known by most for
his strict narrow minded interpretation of Christianity Sir Joh at the
end finally had trouble reconciling his belief system with the actions
of his Premiership.
<snip>
As an adopted Aussie, all I can say is bwahahahahahahaha!
Now don't you worry about that. ;)
Grace
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EAC Vile Harridan and Deranged Harpy
a.a. #1752, BAAWA Knight who Demands Shrubbery!
Lost In Oz....
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25 Apr 2005 05:05:40 AM |
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In article <MPG.1cd6b78af4836bb598a15d@news.optusnet.com.au>,
abuse@optusnet says...
Brisbane April 24 2005 EAP. In an amazing turn around in the last
part of an amazing life that saw Joh Bjelke-Petersen, originally a New
Zealander, turned farmer, politician, Premier for 19 years Sir Joh
renounced the faith that had carried him through much of his larger
than life controversial turbulent life. Called a "bible bashing
*****" by former Prime Minister Gough Whitlam and known by most for
his strict narrow minded interpretation of Christianity Sir Joh at the
end finally had trouble reconciling his belief system with the actions
of his Premiership.
His wife, Lady Flo, has told EAP in an interview that towards the end
Joh gave a lot of thought the the implications of his Premiership in
the eyes of God. "It caused him great pain" said Lady Flo. A close
friend and business associate who wanted to remain unnamed filled in
EAP with an outline of a conversation he had with Sir Joh in the last
days. "Joh always thought of a clear and defined good and evil but the
length of office has eaten into his integrity with endless
compromises". "He never meant any harm to anyone and was a really good
man but he found himself saying yes to apartheid, banning free speech,
running a corrupt police force, turning Queensland into a moonlight
state, lying under oath and rigging juries". "He knew he was a good
man but was in no doubt about the heavenly blowback from his
behaviour". It seems this caused a crisis of faith in Sir Joh. How
could a decent human turn into a dictator simply by trying to be a
good father to the state. But like a Shakespearean tragedy the
concerned father turned into hated tyrant.
The idea that good and evil might be more complicated than the holy
roller polarity of his fire brand faith shocked him to the core. Sir
Joh apologised for all his misdeeds as Premier, for blocking free
speech, for lying, for compromising the Westminster System and the
balance of powers. He was particularly grieved by his appointment of
Albert Field to the Senate and believed this had fundamentally changed
Australian politics for the worse. "This is power gone mad and it was
my fault, I'm sorry but I was corrupted" Joh tearfully told his
friend. "And don't call Sir Joh because I never really deserved a
knighthood. I simply put forward my own name out of vanity.
Joh also praised Philip Adams for adding to the quality of public
discourse. He smiled as Philip Adam's opinion piece in the Australian
<http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,1504104
8%5E12272,00.html> was read to him. "Philip was right and I was
wrong" he was heard to mutter in a very soft voice. Among others
admired by Sir Joh was High Court Justice Markus Kirby adding that he
wished the gay community the best of luck and could see no reason why
gay couples should not be able to marry and raise children. Sir Joh
had embraced the secular democratic values he had fought so long
against.
His last few sentences muttered were related by Joh's friend. "I know
death is like existence before birth. I know now that my faith was
just a fog of false hope and I'm sorry for the harm that came from it.
I know my faith motivated actions were really nothing but fear and
grasping for false hopes. A pie in the sky when you die is still not a
good reason to be a decent human. This is less noble than the actions
by Justice Kirby who does much good without the hope of an eternal
reward. Christianity is a fraud and Christian motivation comes from a
questionable base."
Sir Joh than lost consciousness.
If only, if only.
Cheers,
TGHO
--
The Great Hairy One
ANZAC Day
Lest We Forget
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| Title: Re: Joh Bjelke-Petersen recants on death bed |
24 Apr 2005 06:57:09 PM |
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Meteorite Debris <abuse@optusnet,com.au> writes:
His last few sentences muttered were related by Joh's friend. "I know
......
reward. Christianity is a fraud and Christian motivation comes from a
questionable base."
I am afraid that Joh never did have the sense to say something like that.
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| User: "Richo" |
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| Title: Re: Joh Bjelke-Petersen recants on death bed |
26 Apr 2005 08:28:03 PM |
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Meteorite Debris wrote:
Brisbane April 24 2005 EAP. In an amazing turn around in the last
part of an amazing life that saw Joh Bjelke-Petersen, originally a
New
Zealander, turned farmer, politician, Premier for 19 years Sir Joh
renounced the faith that had carried him through much of his larger
than life controversial turbulent life.
<snip>
Smile.
Oh yeah! And I just saw a flying pig!
For our American friends:
Joh was kinda like our Ronald Reagan with more than a little Dan Quale
and Richard Nixon thrown in.
Mark.
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| User: "" |
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24 Apr 2005 07:16:57 PM |
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Meteorite Debris wrote:
[lies cut]
With all the controversy surrounding Joh's life you find it neccessary
to make something up in order to put the boot in ?
The poor old bloke could barely utter individual words toward the end
and you put deathbed soliloquy like that in his mouth? Shame on you.
DM
personal opinion only
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| User: "fritz" |
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24 Apr 2005 07:24:41 PM |
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<d-moss@adfa.edu.au> wrote ...
Meteorite Debris wrote:
[lies cut]
With all the controversy surrounding Joh's life you find it neccessary
to make something up in order to put the boot in ?
The poor old bloke could barely utter individual words toward the end
and you put deathbed soliloquy like that in his mouth? Shame on you.
Joh couldn't do much better when the few neurons he had were firing...
Remember the ***** up he made over the separation of powers question ???
DM
personal opinion only
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| User: "" |
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24 Apr 2005 08:04:43 PM |
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fritz wrote:
<d-moss@adfa.edu.au> wrote ...
Meteorite Debris wrote:
[lies cut]
With all the controversy surrounding Joh's life you find it
neccessary
to make something up in order to put the boot in ?
The poor old bloke could barely utter individual words toward the
end
and you put deathbed soliloquy like that in his mouth? Shame on
you.
Joh couldn't do much better when the few neurons he had were
firing...
Remember the ***** up he made over the separation of powers question
???
You have to remember that Joh was not an economist, a lawyer or a
political scientist. Its easy to trip ordinary people up by asking them
questions that employ expert terminology.
For instance, there are thousands, if not millions of successful
managers who use available information to make sound decisions. Pick
one at random and ask if their information system is in its third
normal form and watch the blank look you get.
You also have to remember that Joh had a rural constituency. Rural
people often use "looking stupid" as a means of eliciting further
information in a conversation. Many farmers know precicely how many
kilograms per hectare of specific nutrients are required on different
parts of their property, and the spreading rates of a variety of
fertiliser products which will achieve this efficiently. To talk to
them you wouldn't think they could find their own backsides with both
hands and a map though. Its probably a cultural thing.
When I met Joh (for about 2 minutes) I observed none of the games he
liked to play with reporters. His words were clear and unhesitating. He
spoke directly and to the point. In short I believe his media personna
was an act, and a damn good one.
Despite a lack of formal education, contrast Joh's approach with that
of the highly edicated Bob Carr in NSW. Bob whines that lots of extra
people move to NSW and it is putting a strain on the economy. Joh had a
similar problem but viewed it as an opportunity. Carr (and now Beatty)
imposes restrictions on water and electricity usage, tries to limit the
use of motor vehicles and generally hold back people's aspirations. Joh
built railways into coalfields, new power stations and dams, and had
freeway flyovers built in the middle of cow paddocks in anticipation of
growth.
TQs don't mean you are smart, just that you have spent time in formal
study. A smart person with TQs is ideal, but a smart person without
them is far better in a leadership position than a dull person with
them.
"Ah well, back to studying the "price elasticity of supply", says DM as
he concludes his remarks on tertiary education. ;-)
DM
personal opinion only
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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| Title: Re: Joh Bjelke-Petersen recants on death bed |
25 Apr 2005 03:03:07 AM |
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On 24 Apr 2005 18:04:43 -0700 the ET form known as d-
moss@adfa.edu.au<d-moss@adfa.edu.au> sent a radio signal across the
vast expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
fritz wrote:
<d-moss@adfa.edu.au> wrote ...
Meteorite Debris wrote:
[lies cut]
With all the controversy surrounding Joh's life you find it
neccessary
to make something up in order to put the boot in ?
The poor old bloke could barely utter individual words toward the
end
and you put deathbed soliloquy like that in his mouth? Shame on
you.
Joh couldn't do much better when the few neurons he had were
firing...
Remember the ***** up he made over the separation of powers question
???
You have to remember that Joh was not an economist, a lawyer or a
political scientist. Its easy to trip ordinary people up by asking them
questions that employ expert terminology.
We already know he was stupid. That is not news.
<snipped>
When I met Joh (for about 2 minutes) I observed none of the games he
liked to play with reporters. His words were clear and unhesitating. He
spoke directly and to the point. In short I believe his media personna
was an act, and a damn good one.
He was a manipulator. That too is not news.
Despite a lack of formal education, contrast Joh's approach with that
of the highly edicated Bob Carr in NSW. Bob whines that lots of extra
people move to NSW and it is putting a strain on the economy. Joh had a
similar problem but viewed it as an opportunity. Carr (and now Beatty)
imposes restrictions on water and electricity usage, tries to limit the
use of motor vehicles and generally hold back people's aspirations. Joh
built railways into coalfields, new power stations and dams, and had
freeway flyovers built in the middle of cow paddocks in anticipation of
growth.
The old fascist "got the trains running on time" defence (sorry about
the gas chambers). Or the jury rigging. Or the perjury. Or the
corruption. Or the apartheid sympathy. Or the Albert Field affair. Or
the suppression of free speech. Or the censorship. On and on it goes.
Same argument used for Augusto Pinochet, and in happier times for US-
Iraq relations, Saddam Hussein and used today for assorted monsters.
Sorry I am unimpressed by the "got the trains running on time" line.
TQs don't mean you are smart, just that you have spent time in formal
study. A smart person with TQs is ideal, but a smart person without
them is far better in a leadership position than a dull person with
them.
"Ah well, back to studying the "price elasticity of supply", says DM as
he concludes his remarks on tertiary education. ;-)
DM
personal opinion only
--
rot13
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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| Title: Re: Joh Bjelke-Petersen recants on death bed |
24 Apr 2005 09:00:06 PM |
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On 24 Apr 2005 17:16:57 -0700 the ET form known as d-
moss@adfa.edu.au<d-moss@adfa.edu.au> sent a radio signal across the
vast expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
Meteorite Debris wrote:
[lies cut]
With all the controversy surrounding Joh's life you find it neccessary
to make something up in order to put the boot in ?
The poor old bloke could barely utter individual words toward the end
and you put deathbed soliloquy like that in his mouth? Shame on you.
DM
personal opinion only
D-moss,
Steady on mate. I just report the stories as they come in. Some of the
EAP (Evil Atheist Press) stories are true ;-)
--
rot13
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
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| User: "Chris" |
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| Title: Re: Joh Bjelke-Petersen recants on death bed |
25 Apr 2005 12:04:41 AM |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:30:06 +0930, Meteorite Debris
<abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote:
}On 24 Apr 2005 17:16:57 -0700 the ET form known as d-
}moss@adfa.edu.au<d-moss@adfa.edu.au> sent a radio signal across the
}vast expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
}
}>
}> Meteorite Debris wrote:
}> [lies cut]
}>
}> With all the controversy surrounding Joh's life you find it neccessary
}> to make something up in order to put the boot in ?
}>
}> The poor old bloke could barely utter individual words toward the end
}> and you put deathbed soliloquy like that in his mouth? Shame on you.
}>
}> DM
}> personal opinion only
}
}D-moss,
}
}Steady on mate. I just report the stories as they come in. Some of the
}EAP (Evil Atheist Press) stories are true ;-)
Bit of a ***** aren't trying to hide behind a poor attempt at
satire.
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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| Title: Re: Joh Bjelke-Petersen recants on death bed |
25 Apr 2005 03:05:12 AM |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:04:41 +1000 the ET form known as
Chris<hillsafeaustralia@bigpond.com> sent a radio signal across the
vast expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:30:06 +0930, Meteorite Debris
<abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote:
}On 24 Apr 2005 17:16:57 -0700 the ET form known as d-
}moss@adfa.edu.au<d-moss@adfa.edu.au> sent a radio signal across the
}vast expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
}
}>
}> Meteorite Debris wrote:
}> [lies cut]
}>
}> With all the controversy surrounding Joh's life you find it neccessary
}> to make something up in order to put the boot in ?
}>
}> The poor old bloke could barely utter individual words toward the end
}> and you put deathbed soliloquy like that in his mouth? Shame on you.
}>
}> DM
}> personal opinion only
}
}D-moss,
}
}Steady on mate. I just report the stories as they come in. Some of the
}EAP (Evil Atheist Press) stories are true ;-)
Bit of a ***** aren't trying to hide behind a poor attempt at
satire.
Look who does not have a sense of humour. Blinded by the fascist
light.
--
rot13
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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| Title: Re: Joh Bjelke-Petersen recants on death bed |
25 Apr 2005 03:28:15 AM |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:35:12 +0930 the ET form known as Meteorite
Debris<abuse@optusnet> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse of
deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:04:41 +1000 the ET form known as
Chris<hillsafeaustralia@bigpond.com> sent a radio signal across the
vast expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:30:06 +0930, Meteorite Debris
<abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote:
}On 24 Apr 2005 17:16:57 -0700 the ET form known as d-
}moss@adfa.edu.au<d-moss@adfa.edu.au> sent a radio signal across the
}vast expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
}
}>
}> Meteorite Debris wrote:
}> [lies cut]
}>
}> With all the controversy surrounding Joh's life you find it neccessary
}> to make something up in order to put the boot in ?
}>
}> The poor old bloke could barely utter individual words toward the end
}> and you put deathbed soliloquy like that in his mouth? Shame on you.
}>
}> DM
}> personal opinion only
}
}D-moss,
}
}Steady on mate. I just report the stories as they come in. Some of the
}EAP (Evil Atheist Press) stories are true ;-)
Bit of a ***** aren't trying to hide behind a poor attempt at
satire.
Look who does not have a sense of humour. Blinded by the fascist
light.
Make that blinded by the fascist right.
--
rot13
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
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