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"Steven Jones" |
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07 Dec 2004 01:38:19 PM |
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John Lennon |
Was John Lennon an atheist? I find it hard to believe that his song
'Imagine' could have been written by a theist. It is, after all, basically
an atheist theme song.
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| User: "Rally" |
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| Title: Re: John Lennon |
07 Dec 2004 02:38:20 PM |
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"Steven Jones" <stevenj76@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
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Was John Lennon an atheist? I find it hard to believe that his song
'Imagine' could have been written by a theist. It is, after all,
basically an atheist theme song.
I would say that the song you mention would affirm his atheism. I
feel that John Lennon is perhaps the best person I can think of, (equal
only perhaps to Carl Sagan), to hold up to the public as examples of
what atheism today really is. Most of the brainwashed believers think
atheists are some sort of evil, morally depraved devil worshippers: John
and Carl are undisputable positive contributors to mankind and exemplary
examples of atheism.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: John Lennon |
11 Dec 2004 10:17:16 AM |
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"Rally" <Rally_Round@mail.removethis.newsfeeds.com> wrote in message
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"Steven Jones" <stevenj76@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
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Was John Lennon an atheist? I find it hard to believe that his song
'Imagine' could have been written by a theist. It is, after all,
basically an atheist theme song.
I would say that the song you mention would affirm his atheism. I feel
that John Lennon is perhaps the best person I can think of, (equal only
perhaps to Carl Sagan), to hold up to the public as examples of what
atheism today really is. Most of the brainwashed believers think atheists
are some sort of evil, morally depraved devil worshippers: John and Carl
are undisputable positive contributors to mankind and exemplary examples
of atheism.
What, not Jesse Ventura?
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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| Title: Re: John Lennon |
12 Dec 2004 10:23:30 PM |
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I would say that the song you mention would affirm his atheism. I feel
that John Lennon is perhaps the best person I can think of, (equal only
perhaps to Carl Sagan), to hold up to the public as examples of what
atheism today really is. Most of the brainwashed believers think atheists
are some sort of evil, morally depraved devil worshippers: John and Carl
are undisputable positive contributors to mankind and exemplary examples
of atheism.
What, not Jesse Ventura?
Or Pat Tillman.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Those who have loved God most have loved men least." -- Colonel Robert Green
Ingersoll, 1881
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| User: "Pastor Ized" |
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| Title: Re: John Lennon |
07 Dec 2004 02:45:48 PM |
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"Steven Jones" <stevenj76@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
news:cp50rc$idq$1@news-02.connect.com.au...
Was John Lennon an atheist? I find it hard to believe that his song
'Imagine' could have been written by a theist. It is, after all,
basically an atheist theme song.
Why not ask him ?
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: John Lennon |
07 Dec 2004 11:18:48 PM |
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On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:45:48 -0600, Pastor Ized wrote
(in article <31mj47F39lvuqU1@individual.net>):
"Steven Jones" <stevenj76@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
news:cp50rc$idq$1@news-02.connect.com.au...
Was John Lennon an atheist? I find it hard to believe that his song
'Imagine' could have been written by a theist. It is, after all,
basically an atheist theme song.
Why not ask him ?
Well, he is a bit dead at the moment.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"(St. Paul)... preached holy acrimony, which is another
name for marriage."-12/31/95 issue of National Review
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| User: "Iain" |
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| Title: Re: John Lennon |
08 Dec 2004 04:06:03 AM |
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"Harry F. Leopold" <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BDDBEAD800A0AD96F02845B0@news.central.cox.net...
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:45:48 -0600, Pastor Ized wrote
(in article <31mj47F39lvuqU1@individual.net>):
"Steven Jones" <stevenj76@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
news:cp50rc$idq$1@news-02.connect.com.au...
Was John Lennon an atheist? I find it hard to believe that his song
'Imagine' could have been written by a theist. It is, after all,
basically an atheist theme song.
Why not ask him ?
Well, he is a bit dead at the moment.
I asked him. He said "Yeah. I believe in you and me. We're all God Iain .
And man's just a shadow in the scenery.".
~Iain
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: John Lennon |
08 Dec 2004 12:20:15 AM |
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"Harry F. Leopold" <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BDDBEAD800A0AD96F02845B0@news.central.cox.net...
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:45:48 -0600, Pastor Ized wrote
(in article <31mj47F39lvuqU1@individual.net>):
"Steven Jones" <stevenj76@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
news:cp50rc$idq$1@news-02.connect.com.au...
Was John Lennon an atheist? I find it hard to believe that his song
'Imagine' could have been written by a theist. It is, after all,
basically an atheist theme song.
Why not ask him ?
Well, he is a bit dead at the moment.
I hear he's making a comeback.
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: John Lennon |
08 Dec 2004 04:42:47 AM |
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On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 00:20:15 -0600, Neil Kelsey wrote
(in article <z2xtd.253$Ya4.210@edtnps84>):
"Harry F. Leopold" <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BDDBEAD800A0AD96F02845B0@news.central.cox.net...
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:45:48 -0600, Pastor Ized wrote
(in article <31mj47F39lvuqU1@individual.net>):
"Steven Jones" <stevenj76@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
news:cp50rc$idq$1@news-02.connect.com.au...
Was John Lennon an atheist? I find it hard to believe that his song
'Imagine' could have been written by a theist. It is, after all,
basically an atheist theme song.
Why not ask him ?
Well, he is a bit dead at the moment.
I hear he's making a comeback.
Maybe he will be better this time around. I never could make myself like his
music. Just not my type of music.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"The space time you are trying to reach has been disconnected..." Stony
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: John Lennon |
08 Dec 2004 04:01:08 AM |
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On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:18:48 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:45:48 -0600, Pastor Ized wrote
(in article <31mj47F39lvuqU1@individual.net>):
"Steven Jones" <stevenj76@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
news:cp50rc$idq$1@news-02.connect.com.au...
Was John Lennon an atheist? I find it hard to believe that his song
'Imagine' could have been written by a theist. It is, after all,
basically an atheist theme song.
Why not ask him ?
Well, he is a bit dead at the moment.
Today (December 8th) is, in fact the 24th anniversary of that
unfortunate fact.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: John Lennon |
08 Dec 2004 04:23:26 AM |
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On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 10:01:08 GMT in alt.atheism, raven1 (raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:18:48 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:45:48 -0600, Pastor Ized wrote
(in article <31mj47F39lvuqU1@individual.net>):
"Steven Jones" <stevenj76@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
news:cp50rc$idq$1@news-02.connect.com.au...
Was John Lennon an atheist? I find it hard to believe that his song
'Imagine' could have been written by a theist. It is, after all,
basically an atheist theme song.
Why not ask him ?
Well, he is a bit dead at the moment.
Today (December 8th) is, in fact the 24th anniversary of that
unfortunate fact.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/december/8/newsid_2536000/2536321.stm
(watch for line wrap).
Chapman was up for parole recently, IIRC. Ah yes,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3718144.stm
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: John Lennon |
08 Dec 2004 10:39:50 AM |
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On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 10:01:08 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:18:48 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:45:48 -0600, Pastor Ized wrote
(in article <31mj47F39lvuqU1@individual.net>):
"Steven Jones" <stevenj76@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
news:cp50rc$idq$1@news-02.connect.com.au...
Was John Lennon an atheist? I find it hard to believe that his song
'Imagine' could have been written by a theist. It is, after all,
basically an atheist theme song.
Why not ask him ?
Well, he is a bit dead at the moment.
Today (December 8th) is, in fact the 24th anniversary of that
unfortunate fact.
:-(
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: John Lennon |
07 Dec 2004 02:16:17 PM |
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"Steven Jones" <stevenj76@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
news:cp50rc$idq$1@news-02.connect.com.au...
Was John Lennon an atheist? I find it hard to believe that his song
'Imagine' could have been written by a theist. It is, after all,
basically an atheist theme song.
To the best of my knowledge, yes, Lennon was an atheist.
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| User: "Pastor Ized" |
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| Title: Re: John Lennon |
08 Dec 2004 11:00:43 AM |
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IMAGINE ALL THE ANSWERS
"Steven Jones" <stevenj76@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
news:cp50rc$idq$1@news-02.connect.com.au...
Was John Lennon an atheist? I find it hard to believe that his song
'Imagine' could have been written by a theist. It is, after all,
basically an atheist theme song.
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| User: "Crazyalec" |
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| Title: Re: John Lennon |
07 Dec 2004 05:45:04 PM |
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Isn't it why he was killed? I know nobody says it out loud, but his
killer was/is a jesus freak.
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| User: "Nivlem" |
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| Title: Re: John Lennon |
07 Dec 2004 10:41:49 PM |
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Crazyalec wrote:
Isn't it why he was killed? I know nobody says it out loud, but his
killer was/is a jesus freak.
ISTR that Chapman claims to have shot him because Lennon was a burnout
and his last album was a piece of *****. An opinion I can't find it in my
heart to disagree with, even if I think smoking Lennon for that was
somewhat over the top.
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| User: "Rune Børsjø" |
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08 Dec 2004 01:17:17 AM |
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On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 20:41:49 -0800, Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote:
and his last album was a piece of *****. An opinion I can't find it in my
heart to disagree with, even if I think smoking Lennon for that was
somewhat over the top.
Your compassion is touching.
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| User: "Nivlem" |
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09 Dec 2004 04:35:20 PM |
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Rune Børsjø wrote:
On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 20:41:49 -0800, Nivlem <mlml@svn.net> wrote:
and his last album was a piece of *****. An opinion I can't find it in my
heart to disagree with, even if I think smoking Lennon for that was
somewhat over the top.
Your compassion is touching.
Why exactly am I obligated to tell polite lies because something
unfortunate happened to the man? Lennon was never the deep thinker some
people want to give him credit for being, and his albums were just as
much empty pop fluff as the ones McCartney put out subsequent to the
break-up of the Beatles. Lennon at the end spent nearly as much time
stupefied in his room as Brian Wilson did. He was a relic. He never
stopped spewing the mostly empty "peace and love and flowers, man"
prescription popular in the youth culture of the late sixties. It's so
diconnected from any reality I live in that it makes me want to puke.
Look, Chapman's shooting of Lennon was unnecessary, it was stupid, it
was crazy, it was not nice. Does that mean I have to cannonize some old
hippy douchebag? Hell no.
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| User: "sAnToLiNa" |
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07 Dec 2004 10:48:35 PM |
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Steven Jones <stevenj76@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
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Was John Lennon an atheist?
Yes and no. His early 70s songs were pretty explicitly atheistic, but later
on he proclaimed in interviews that he was open to other possibilities.
I find it hard to believe that his song
'Imagine' could have been written by a theist. It is, after all,
basically
an atheist theme song.
Check out "God" from the "Plastic Ono Band" LP if you haven't already.
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| User: "Jez" |
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08 Dec 2004 02:09:38 PM |
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Steven Jones wrote:
Was John Lennon an atheist? I find it hard to believe that his song
'Imagine' could have been written by a theist. It is, after all, basically
an atheist theme song.
Seems he believed in aliens....
http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/celebrity/17082004.htm
John Lennon's encounter with aliens
December 7, 2004, 11:47:25
John Lennon once had an encounter with aliens, according to physic Uri
Geller.
The legendary Beatle, who was murdered in 1980, told Uri he was visited
by extra-terrestrials when he was in bed with wife Yoko Ono in 1975.
He explained to Uri, who told Britain's Sunday Telegraph newspaper: "I
was asleep in my bed, with Yoko in the Dakota Building.
And suddenly, I wasn't asleep. There was this blazing light, shining
through the door.
It was like someone was out there with searchlights, or the apartment
was on fire.
"I leapt out of bed and there were four people. They were little,
bug-like creatures, with big bug eyes and little bug mouths and they
were scuttling at me like roaches."
Lennon insisted he wasn't on drugs and definitely saw the 'aliens'.
He added: "I wasn't high. I've been high a lot of times, and I never saw
anything on LSD that was as weird as those f***in' bugs. "I wasn't
dreaming and I wasn't tripping."
Lennon also claimed the beings had given him a metal, egg-like object
before they left, which he gave to Geller, saying: "It's too weird.
If it's my ticket to another planet, I don't want to go there."
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Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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